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crazy, crazy wildfire. like it was -- yeah. >> early days? >> i feel bad for him. >> do you? >> yeah. i mean, it was just such an innocent introduction and to have people just kind of -- that must really be horrible. >> i don't think he's moaning. trust me. hare linked to charlize theron. it's not the worst worst day of your life. >> that's it for us tonight. "anderson cooper 360" starts now. deadly suicide attack on a hotel in kabul. six attackers in all, blowing himself up. the other spreading mayhem and murder for hour after hour until nato choppers picked off three of them on the hotel roof and secures forces cleared the hotel. right now all six bombers are reported dead. as for other fatalities that is unclear. reporter adam cunningham joins us now by phone. >> reporter: well, what it looks like is the taliban fighters
launching assaults on the hotels in which at least one blew up at the front gate in order to allow the other gunmen to enter. after that they took positions on the roof of the hotel where they were engaged in an hour-long gun battle with the afghan police later on the afghan national army arrived at the scene, stormed the hotel and evacuated many of the guests. it's unclear right now how many guests were actually staying at the hotel at the time. however, there were rpgs being launched, artillery fire, and it finally concluded with nato attack helicopters coming to engage the insurgents on the roof. >> erin, this clearly has hallmarks of other attacks that we have seen, even in kabul itself and in pakistan. small groups of gunmen, suicide bombers invading facilities and basically shooting who they can, blowing people up and trying to create as much mayhem as
possible. it also kind of echos back to the mumbai attacks in india. what does it say this had to be brought to an end essentially by nato helicopters and the security forces in the capital didn't seem up to the job of doing this themselves? >> right. i think that's a major concern right now. and a question that has to be answered by the afghan security forces in the coming days as it becomes more clear how this attack unfolded. now, the attack itself while spectacular isn't necessarily a strategic gain for the taliban. the taliban cannot take the city per se but they can launch these high profile attacks that draw a lot of attention. and then it falls on the afghan security forces to end it quickly. but there is still that divide between the afghan security forces being able to stave off an attack and actually end it
without calling on nato for help. >> and you have an update on the death toll? >> reporter: i just spoke with the afghan -- the kabul chief of police, rather, who said that ten people were killed but he did not distinguish between civilians and security forces. but this is in addition to the six attackers that were killed. >> all right. erin cunningham, appreciate it. stay say. thanks, erin. keeping them honest in a story we first brought you last night, it's not going away because it concerns michele bachmann a leading presidential contender whose answers to some important questions are either incomplete, mistaken or flat out wrong. as you probably know congresswoman michele bachmann has built their political career campaigning against big government and it's a platform she's running on. but according to her personal statement she's personally benefitted from one of the biggest of big government programs. she denies it despite what's written on her own political disclosure forms. we note when confronted with those facts she dodges or tries to change the subject.
watch what happened today when our producer caught up with her in myrtle beach, south carolina. >> we've answered that question so many times and everyone's tired of it. at this point what we do know to be true my husband and i have never taken a dime. the farm belongs to my father-in-law. people are interested in big issues. this is a big campaign. and so that's a talking point for the democrat party, and there's nothing to it. we've never gotten a dime. >> never gotten a dime, she says. it's a talking point for the democrats. basically the same answer she gave to fox news over the weekend although she said she didn't even get an opinion any, i believe it was. she said even less to cbs news. yet on several accounts her answers simply do not seem to square with her own financial disclosures. the farm in question belonged to her late father-in-law. according to "the los angeles times" records show congresswoman bachman is a partner in the company. they still own the land which is now being farmed by others. when her father-in-law was farming on it records show the company in which she reportedly was a partner of got $145,000 in
corn subsidies between 1995 and 2007. more than $105,000 in dairy farm subsidies for the same period. 7300 in livestock subsidies. all according to the environmental working group which gets its numbers straight from the agriculture department. that's more than a quart of a million dollars in federal subsidy, big government intervention in the free market. perfectly legal, of course, and no different than many other farmers. but the congresswoman opposes intervention to bail out detroit, opposes obama care as big government intrusion into the free market. yet for years she's been okay with government price supports and government subsidies on the farm. balkman's own congressional financial disclosures reveal she received wean tween 32 and $105,000 of income from balkman farm family lp between 2006 and 2009. we can't say for sure about 2007 because the form is illegible. we don't know about any farther back because the disclosure forms cover her times in congress.
she's contradicting her own disclosure filings. it's possible these filings have been wrong year after year or maybe her recollection is wrong. in any case you saw what happened when we asked her about it this evening. we invited her on the show. she declined. she appeared in all five morning network shows where not a single person asked her about it. when bob receive schieffer asked the question he got even less of an answer. >> what about farm subsidies? you've benefit from farm subsidies on your family farm. do you think we ought to think about cutting those back? >> i think everything needs to be on the table right now. every part of government. i'll tell you one thing that should be on the table, under barack obama the last two years the number of federal limousines for bureau has increase -- bureaucrats has increased 73% in two years. i can't think of anything more represent reasonsible than seeing by row krats on their
cell phones in the back. 73% increase in the last two years? >> congresswoman you're not seriously saying that eliminating limousine service is anywhere equal to reducing farm subs des. >> what i'm saying is that i think that's an easy one that we need to do. clearly president obama is not serious about cutting spending. >> joining us now is chief political analyst gloria borger and -- when it comes to income from her family's farm, the congresswoman says one thing, her financial forms say another. they could be wrong or she could be wrong. can she continue dodging the questions or will she have to explain at some point? >> at some point she's going to have to do it, anderson. we'll continue asking the questions. not because you want to play gotcha but because when you're a presidential candidate, trust matters. and these things can come back
to haunt you. people want answers to these questions. voting for president is a very personal vote. and i think back to the 2006 campaign when barack obama -- when senator barack obama was thinking about running, i should say, in 2006, he had a questionable land deal. he came out and said it was a bone-headed mistake. and anderson, the 2008 campaign, it still came back to haunt him. hillary clinton asked about it. so you can be sure that other republicans, if she gets a lot of traction, are going also to asking her questions about this because it matters, because she's campaigned against big government. and if she is in fact benefitting from big government, she ought to tell people exactly what occurred. and if she has a good explanation for it, give it. >> erik, do you think it matters? you could say it's not a lot of money over the course of several years. and this is nitpicking. >> you know, i do think it matters. a number of conservatives i've
talked to in the past year when she first started hinting about this this was the issue they raised. but i've got to tell you, listening to this report when i was a lawyer i dealt into some of these issues. if it was a limited partnership and she was a limited partner she couldn't have declined them if the general partner i assume the father-in-law wanted them. it's not a well-known fact but it is a fact that if the limited partnership was renting land to another farmer who took ag subsidies those subsidies were attributed to the owner of the land, not the person leasing the land. so that could be an issue. she's going to have to explain what the issue it. there may be no there there. she did vote to end ag subsidies, even though she apparently was getting money for them which is commendable. but she definitely needs to do a detailed answer on this. >> i believe the time in question is when her father-in-law was actually operating the farm. i think it's now operated by somebody else. but gloria balkman's former chief of staff said today she's not qualified to be president and endorsed tim pawlenty instead. how much stock can you put on a former employee saying something like that? do we know the track record of
this person? >> he's a paw lenity guy. you can always come out and say as sarah palin did of those former mccain aides, they didn't like me and that's why they're saying these things about me. he's not just saying that tim pawlenty is more qualified on the issues or i agree with him on the issues. he was quite specific about it. he called her campaign offices wildly out of control and said that she was without any leadership experience or real results from her years in office. experience is really an important issue this year for republicans because they claim that barack obama's problem was that he had no experience. and so they say they need to run somebody who can show that they have the experience to lead that barack obama did not have. so this is a pretty strong krit is sichl. >> erik, do you think she could be the republican nominee? >> if i hadn't called the race today, anderson, probably not.
but she's making some impressive gains in places i wouldn't think she would make gains. there's a poll out today she's ahead of romney in oregon. i think ultimately what's going to happen is what so often happens with meteoric rices there's going to be a meteoric crash when other candidates decide to pile on her. there will be a huge pile on not by the media but by republicans. >> what does this do to sarah palin? i know there's a new movie about her called "the undefeated". what do you think this means for snairp. >> i realize there are a lot of palin fans out there who think she's the only person getting into the race. but there are a lot of people who aren't against palin but think what's the rationale for her to get in it? if texas governor rick perry gets in as well there's a decreasing rationale for her to get in. i understand why the campaign is doing the movie. i got to think there are a lot of people suspicious of palin who are going to pay to get a
movie ticket and go see this movie. >> it's interesting, gloria because sarah palin is sort of for some sucking up the oxygen in voting states before the rest of the republican field can really get a foothold. >> yeah. she goes to new hampshire the day mitt romney announces, she goes to iowa the day after michele bachmann announces. you know, i think she's become sort of the political equivalent of a wedding crasher. she's kind of going to these parties that these people don't really want her at. and that's because i think -- and i still believe she's not going to run. maybe bristol palin will tell us because she said she knows. i still think she's not going to run, but she wants to be a kingmaker. and i think one way to do that is to convince republicans that you're still relevant to the party beyond tweeting now and then. and i think that's what this is all about. >> gloria, erik ericsson appreciate it. we're on facebook follow me @ anderson cooper on twitter.
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lawyers want to stop doctors -- his lawyers want to stop doctors from being able to forcibly give him psychotropic drugs that could restore him to competency that, could treat his schizophrenia. this raises many questions. i spoke about all of this to sonny hosten and dr. sanjay gupta. >> what do we know about loughner's current mental state? has anything changed since he was declared unfit to stand trial in may? >> it doesn't sound like it. he's been in the hospital. there's most recently this question of medicating him. that prompted this entire discussion about whether he could be medicated. it sounds like he still has some of the same issues that have led to this -- hospitalization in the first place, having the schizophrenic, paranoid delusional sort of behavior, not being in touch with reality and unable to confer or actually have conversations with his lawyers that are meaningful. >> and how successful are
anti-psychotic medications that behavior that he was throwing chairs, spitting on his lawyers? >> it can be very effective, in fact. this whole idea of putting someone back in touch with reality, making them more cognizant, organizing their thinking in some ways. there's been plenty of evidence now to show that these medications can do this. these sort of outbursts that he had in the courtroom at the time that we heard about and most recently of the throwing of the chairs and the spitting on the lawyers, those sorts of violent jut bursts can also be tempered to some degree by these medications. so there is a pretty long history. an again my understanding is that the medications were just tried over a few days so there hasn't been enough evidence in his case specifically to say how they would work. >> legally and ethically it's kind of a dilemma. because on the one hand his defense attorneys are saying, well look, you guys basically want to medicate him so that he then can stand trial and possibly be killed by the state. with the death penalty. but prison officials do have the
right if they say and if there's an administrative hearing that agrees that the person is a danger to himself or to others. >> in 2003 the supreme court sort of laid out the rules as to when you can forcibly medicate someone. that's a serious thing. i think most people are very uncomfortable with forcing medication on prisoners. one way to do it you have the full-blown hearing. the defendant is represented by counsel and you make that determination. >> in a court. >> in a court. the other way have an administrative hearing where a defendant isn't represented by counsel but represented by a staff representative. that is apparently what happened here. the bureau of prisons hat the administrative hearing. there was a staff representative. my understanding that staff representative didn't say anything on loughner's behalf and loughner was in fact acting or rather asking for his attorneys. >> the defense is saying that look, basically the prison is just making an end run, that they're using this administrative hearing saying he's a danger to others but they're saying there are plenty of people who have done worse things and have not been forcibly medicated.
>> right. and that's the problem with the supreme court decision. there's a bit of wiggle room. how do you define a dangerous to others especially in a case like loughner's who is in isolation? he's by himself. and after six months all he has done is spit on his attorneys, which is not a great thing but he did that and he tossed around a plastic chair twice. does that equal dangerous under the supreme court ruling? i think there's wiggle room there and that's what the defense is arguing. >> sanjay, where does the medical community come in or fall when it comes to forcing an inmate or a patient to take drugs against their will that will then lead to them to be put on trial where they could face the death penalty? >> the duality of it is that you obviously want to treat the person and help them get better, but it is the possibility that them getting better could lead them to stand trial and possibly face death. i think the medical community as a whole, you know, it's a hot button issue. i think more so people would fall behind the idea you can't mandate or force treatment certainly in competent people. in people who are deemed to be
not competent that they have some sort of person who is speaking on their behalf or a family member or something then that person would be making decisions as opposed to a third-party all together. >> sonny, do you think the judge it going to come down tomorrow on the side of the government saying he can be forcibly medicated? >> i think it's very possible. because he'll be in legal limbo otherwise, right? that's sort of what sanjay is saying. if he isn't made competent and he can't aid his defense and doesn't understand the legal proceedings against him he's in a mental hospital for how long? until he's kpet intelligent forever. i think the judge will take that very seriously. we know there's going to be a hearing tomorrow about 2:00 in san diego, california an the judge williston arguments from both sides. even though both sides have argued this on paper. apparently the judge thinks this is serious enough to have a hearing on it. >> sanjay, thanks. >> we're following a lot more tonight. tom foreman joins us with a quick 360 bulletin. >> reporter: a mass protest in cairo turned violent leaving 31 people wounded. police fired tear gas and rub
burr bullets to break up people wednesday. many relatives of those killed earlier this year in the uprising that drove hoss any my bother he from fire police released tore gas on thousands of protestors on a two-day-long strike that shut down schools and systems across the country in greece. protesting a vote scheduled for wednesday that would cut post spending and raise taxes. greece has to pass the measure in order to security last $17 billion of a bailout from other european nations and to avoid a default on its debt payments. french finance minister christine lagarde has been voted in as head of the new international monetary fund. she suck says dominique strauss-kahn arrested in new york on sex charges. and a teenager survived a 20 foot fall. there he is on the right.
from an escalator in a boston subway station. the 18-year-old was caught on surveillance video climbing up this escalator handrail and then tumbling over. his family says he only fractured his elbow. a local tv station reports the teenager told police he had been drinking. anderson? >> all right, time now for -- tonight a family boating adventure on the spoon river in illinois. i like the name the spoon river. >> lovely river. >> fishing excursion made easier by the fact the fish jumped right into the boat. watch this. >> that is nuts! >> look at that. >> oh, yeah. >> the fish are asian carp. each weighs about 10 pounds. you get hit by one of those you'd get whacked right out of the boat. >> that's the dream i have every time i eat pizza. i have this dream afterward like that. >> really? tell me more about thashs tom. >> it's very unusual. >> we'll get dr. drew on. we'll explain that. >> exactly. >> a lot more news ahead in
crime and punishment. coming up, every day i guess is dramatic in this trial. but today was especially dramatic in the casey anthony murder trial. her family members back on the stand. plus jurors got their first look at the meter reader who found caylee's body. the defense made a big deal about this guy during opening statements defense said roy krung was morally bankrupt and he hid caylee's body. did the defense do anything to bolster that today or did it backfire? we'll take a look. plus casey anthony's father george anthony on the stand asked if he had an affair with a volunteer searcher. we'll show you what george testified about that today and a closer look at the relationship between george and his daughter. be right back. to keep in balance after 50,
crime and punishment topt tonight. in orlando the defense in the casey anthony trial is finishing up its case. as we move closer to deliberations the defense is hoping to find a crack in the prosecution's issue big enough to qualify as reasonable doubt at least in one juror's mind. crazy's father was back on the stand today asked about an alleged affair from a volunteer searcher. and defense trying to prove the meter reader disturbed the crime scene enough to contaminate the evidence. >> reporter: for orlando meter reader roy cronk it was the grizzly moment of truth. using a poll he found what the nation had been looking for. >> i was standing behind it so i was looking at it from behind. and i still didn't think it was real. so i very gently took it and put it into the right eye socket and i gently picked the up and i looked down and i realized what
it was. and i set it down as gently as i could and went up and called my area supervisor. >> reporter: it was december 11, 2008, the day 2-year-old caylee anthony's remains were found. for casey anthony's defense team, today was their moment of truth. by putting cronk on the stand they hoped to prove that cronk for months manipulated caylee's remains in the hopes of gaining fame and fortune. the defense set the stage early on for their theory. listen to how attorney jose baez described cronk during opening statements a month ago. >> i want to tell you that mr. cronk -- and again we are not saying mr. cronk had anything to do with caylee's death. but mr. cronk is a morally bankrupt individual who actually took caylee's body and hid her. there was a $225,000 reward in this case. but it was for a live caylee. mr. cronk didn't read the fine print. and he thought he had himself a
lottery ticket. >> reporter: but when cronk took the stand today, defense attorney cheney mason over and over tried and seemed to fail to paint cronk as a man attempting to cash in on a child's death. >> do you remember talking also to the detectives about the issue of the reward you were looking for? >> we were discussing the crime line tip,sy. we weren't talking about the other ones, sir. >> you were joking, you say, with alex roberts and the others about finding this body? >> no. we were joking about the money, sir. i never joked about finding the body, sir. that's not what i said. >> reporter: cronk said he went into the wood to relieve himself on august 11, 2008 and saw something that looked like a skull. he called police. >> i'm a meter reader with orange county. and i had the route including the anthony's home. i noticed something that looked white and there was like a gray bag down in there. i don't know what it is. i'm not telling you it's caylee
or anything of that nature. >> reporter: he called them again the next day. finally he called them a third time and says when police arrived at the scene, they barely searched. >> did you watch deputy cain go into the woods? >> yes,sir. sorry. >> did you see him get close to where you had seen the skull? >> am i allowed to say this? am i allowed to say what happened? >> did you see deputy cain get close to where you -- >> deputy cain went down to the water line. did this. did. this walked back up the bank. slipped on the mud and then chewed me out for half an hour. that's exactly what happened. >> reporter: at times, instead of testimony it seemed like a test of wills. >> you remember january 6, 2009, sir, giving a recorded statement to corporal yuri melich behind is was there and eric edwards. do you remember doing that? >> i don't mean to be rude, sir, but you're being vague. >> reporter: earlier casey anthony's father george took the stand again, with the defense
implying he had an affair while his granddaughter was missing. >> mr. anthony, do you know a woman boit name of crystal holloway? >> i know her by that name and also another name. >> what other name do you know her by? >> river cruz. >> did you have a romantic relationship with her? >> no, sir. no. to me that's -- that's very funny. >> very funny. >> yes,sir. >> and were you ever intimate with her? >> no, sir. and that's also very funny. >> reporter: george anthony maintains that holloway was just a volunteer who helped look for his granddaughter. the defense alleges that george anthony in a moment of intimacy confessed to holloway that his granddaughter's death was an accident that snowballed out of control. >> did you, prior to finding your granddaughter, tell crystal holloway or river cruz that caylee's death was an accident that snow bald out of control?
>> well, sir, to clarify your question i never found my granddaughter. to this day i never found her. and to say that i had said something to her about that's been stated or even by you here that something might have snowballed out of control, that conversation i was never there. >> it seemed like the defense had a lot riding on the meter reader cronk testimony. it doesn't sound like they did much to prove their theory, though. >> no. you know, anderson, every day is of course a big day for the defense team. but today was really huge. and for roy cronk to take the stand there. because as we know, jose baez had made this grand statement in his opening argument that he has going to show that cronk somehow had taken control of caylee anthony's remains and had manipulated them for fame and fortune. everybody in the courtroom, when he got on that stand they all leaned forward in the seats, even the jury did that. they were laser erfocused on him. but in the end most of those
professional and unprofessional observers in the courtroom felt that defense failed to make that point an in fact it was really not a good day for the defense team when it came to roy cronk. >> warren savage, thanks. just ahead we're going to dig in deeper to the relationship between casey anthony and her dad. especially defense claims which he denies that he sexually molested her. the question is is there anything in the jailhouse recordings of the father-daughter conversation that is even hint at a troubled past? we'll take a look and reputed boston mobster whitey bulger in court today telling the judge why he's worried about getting a fair trial. we're a small business. with 27 of us always in the field, we have to stay connected. we use verizon tablets, smartphones. we're more responsive. there are no delays. delays cost money. with verizon, we do things quicker and more effectively. more small businesses choose verizon wireless
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because of what's going on in the courtroom in the casey anthony trial, i want to take a closer look at one of the key relationships in the murder trial between the defendant and her dad. as we reported earlier as you know george anthony was back on the stand today denying he had an affair with a volunteer searcher and denying he ever told her caylee's death was an accident that snowballed out of control. he's also denied molesting his daughter casey something the defense alleged in opening statements that they really offered no evidence of. the defense has says that casey lied after caylee's death because pretending everything was okay was something she learned to do from a young age because of the alleged abuse. randi kaye looks at the relationship. >> good morning, beautiful. i love you. >> hi. i love you, too. >> reporter: from these jailhouse videos it appears as those relationship between casey anthony and her father george is a loving one. >> you're the best father. and by far the best grandfather
that i've ever met. i'm going to say that and i mean that with all my heart. >> reporter: recorded in 2008, you can hear the retired police officer assure casey he is trying very hard to find his missing granddaughter caylee. >> i'm doing everything i can. everything i can to help you and help her. i wish there was more i cowl do. i would give my life right now for you and for her. >> reporter: he repeatedly try to ease his daughter's pain. >> if i could switch places with you this second i'd do it. i would do it. >> i know that. >> believe me i would. >> reporter: but just three years later, on trial charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter, casey's defense paints a totally different picture of that father-daughter relationship. >> and it all began when casey was eight years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately. and it escalated. and it escalated.
>> reporter: we've had wrum blings for awhile this was where the defense was going to go. but when it came out in opening statements and came out in that way with so much specificity, i think everyone was floored. >> reporter: the defense claims the alleged sexual abuse taught then 8-year-old casey how to keep secrets, and is ultimately the reason she was able to lie about caylee's whereabouts after she died. >> if it was an accident and if you have been sexually abused, you don't say anything until ultimately you are facing the death penalty? does that make common sense? most people would say no. >> reporter: as the state's first witness in his daughter's murder trial, george anthony told jurors how he was there in the delivery room for caylee's birth. >> it's just amazing. >> reporter: and denied the claims he sexually abused his daughter. >> have you ever sexually molested your daughter, casey anthony?
>> no, sir. >> have you ever committed any sexually inappropriate act with or in the presence of your daughter, casey anthony? >> no, sir. >> reporter: despite the allegations, every day george anthony is in court, supporting his daughter. >> george sits there in court and many days he has a bible on his lap. and many days he has that bible open. and he is reading it. what he is reading, we don't know. but more likely than not it's to give him the strength to keep going. >> reporter: according to their lawyer, george and his wife cindy do not want to see the death penalty for casey, but they are seeking the truth. >> this is such a unique situation. they've lost their granddaughter, and their daughter is facing the death penalty. and they don't know what happened to their granddaughter. so they're trying to find out what the truth is. and they hope to get closure through this.
>> if this case goes into the death penalty phase, i think george and cindy anthony will take that stand as witnesses and they will beg that jury to save their daughter's life. >> reporter: casey anthony may still be acquitted. but if she's found guilty, even a father's undying support might not be enough to save his daughter. >> know that i love you and i want you home. >> i love you, too. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> it's interesting. it may look chaotic to the defense attacks on multiple fronts doing anything they can to raise a reasonable doubt. but as their case winds down they also face what may be their toughest decision, whether or not to put casey on the stand. i spoke about it earlier with former prosecutor paul henderson of san francisco and andrea lyon a law professor previously casey anthony's defense attorney. >> george anthony denying an affair with the volunteer and that he said caylee's death was an accident that snow bald out of control. how do i think it play today?
>> i think this is more of a distraction. the defense is trying to get in all of the side issues to distract the jury from focusing on the real central issue which is how did this child die and who was responsible for it. and so to me, the facts that are the aleutian allusions to the father having an affair or how the search took place is a distraction to the issues in the case the i'm not as concerned with it. >> andrea, clearly the defense is trying to bring up everything they can possibly think of, which i guess is their job. but does it make them look kind of scattered? >> well, you have to remember that george anthony said to this woman that it was an accident. and that is the -- >> he denies it though. >> of course he denied it.
but she confirmed it. i mean, you know, he's going to deny it now. but that's in fact what at leaf the investigation at the time i was on the case showed. >> andrea, we also heard from roy cronk, the meter reader who discovered caylee's remains. the defense is saying he tampered with the remains, hid them in the woods to collect the reward money. he denied that on the stand. you think it could be damage to go the state's case? >> for a number of reasons. first his own testimony today was that he put his stick into the skull and moved it, that he moved the bag. so that means that if those were the remains that were there and they were not moved, he at least disturbed the scene. at the very minimum that was what was shown. secondly, his behavior is pretty difficult to square with someone who is being a good citizen. and he called his son, told his
son that he was going to be famous and going to be on tv long before he discovered the body. >> he denies that, though. he testified he did not tell his son. >> you haven't heard all the evidence yet. and again, i expect that based on at least the investigation when i was on the case we'd done that this in fact can be proven both by testimony and records. >> go ahead, paul. >> it's all just going to come down who you're going to believe when you're listening to the testimony. and from my perspective, listening to the defense versions of things, even if that was how the body was found, that doesn't take away from the fact that the body was wrapped in that bag. it doesn't take away from the fact that duct tape was on the baby. it doesn't take away from the fact that the baby was hidden and not discovered until months later from when the baby disappeared. i mean, you know -- >> yes, it does take away from it. [ overlapping speakers ] >> it doesn't diminish the fact
that child was murdered. >> the scene was disturbed and there isn't proof that in fact it was a murder. >> andrea and paul, let me ask you both at this point. the defense had said they were probably going to rest by later this week, thursday maybe. does it seem to you at this point they are not going to put casey anthony on the stand, paul? >> i don't think that they are going to put casey anthony on the stand. i think it's going to be really hard for them to put her on the stand and subject her to a severe cross-examination based on her scattered testimony in the past about what has happened in this case and what she actually has done in this case. they're going to want to know why she told the stories that she told. they're going to question her and challenge her severely about her behavior, what she did, why she did it, when she did it. >> andrea, i'm curious to hear, do you think they're going to put her on the stand? if they don't, andrea, do you think it's a problem that they raised all these things in the opening statements that they haven't really addressed like
alleged sexual abuse? >> well, here's the thing. as i've said before. it's a very difficult decision as to whether to put the defendant on the stand. once you do, all bets are off. and it's does the jury believe her or not. if you don't put her on the stand they hold it against her. it's a lose/lose proposition most of the time for the defense. >> paul henderson, andrea lyon, appreciate it. >> in just a moment mobster james whitey bulger shows up in court. why he's questioning whether he can get a fair trial next. and we're seeing double. why the winklevoss twins have ended up on the list. [ male announcer ] you sprayed them.
>> we'll have the ridiculist in a moment. back with tom foreman for another 360 bulletin. >> reporter: reputed boston mobster whitey bulger was in court today for a short hearing. his interim attorney says law enforcement leaks have to stop for bulger to get a fair trial. he was arrested last week in california and faces 19 counts of murder. firefighters are working to contain a huge wildfire that has burned at least 44,000 acres in and around lows lossal most, new mexico. the dow surged 145 points amid a report showing home prices rose in april for the first time in nine months. the nasdaq was up 41 points, the sch rose 17. and a 360 follow, if you were feeling sorry for hugh hefner because his engagement is off you can stop now. meet hef's new girlfriend,
shera. she's the one on the right. the one on the left is his old girlfriend. on twitter hef says, "a new girlfriend is the only logical response to his heartbreak". and yes, we did notice that shera looks an awful lot like crystal who broke off their engagement two weeks ago. it looks like he has a type. >> doesn't she also look like holly madison and ones before that? >> yeah. who can account for the taste of these men. >> ever since barbie benton broke his heart. i don't even knowy know. this. >> there used to be a poster of her at a radio station i worked in. >> really? we've learned a lot about you tonight, tom. >> oh, yeah. >> tom, thank you. tonight for the ridiculist, tonight we're adding the winklevoss twins. you know them. they're those giant harvard-educated olympic rowing twins who say facebook was their idea and have been stomping their feet about it for self year seven years.
they agreed to a $65 million settlement from mark zuk erberg but say they were shortchanged on the stock. we thought we had heard the last from them. last week they dropped their plans for a supreme court appeal. but that was gone in the mere wink of an eye. because the very next day the winklevoss twins filed a motion in another lawsuit. in what case is a $65 million settlement not good enough? here's what they told piers morgan when he interviewed them back in february. >> we can't get lost in the context or the astronomical dollar numbers. >> no. we should not get lost in the context. because this is about principle. believe me, cameron or tyler, whichever one is talking, has strong views about principle. >> principle is principle, whether it's over -- we're talking about $2 or $200 billion. >> so let me get this straight, cameron or tyler. you would be fighting just as hard for principle even if we were only talking about $2.
who knew you guys were so much like the paper boy from the movie "better off dead"? >> that's $2 plus tip. >> gee, johnny, i don't have a dime. sorry. >> didn't ask for a dime. $2. >> the winklevoss twins already settled with zuker berg for $65 million. that happened in 2008. you may ask why do they keep suing? haven't they ever seen "let's make a deal". clearly they are familiar with the concept of that show. >> we in a position where we could walk away and be perfectly fine. but in choosing to pursue this and going forward, we're actually opening ourselves up to a lot of risk. there's no guarantee that we will do as well or better than we've currently done. >> that's right. you could open door number two and there's a rented donkey standing there and everyone in the audience will laugh at you. but this is a serious matter, about right and wrong, about kids who have yet to be born. i'll let cameron or tyler tell you himself. >> i hope to have a family one day.
and if something like this happens to my son and i don't stand up for what's right for now, i'm going to blame myself. i'm going to say, i'm sorry. i failed you. because when i had the opportunity to stand up for what was right i didn't. >> you know, listening to that it's almost easy to forget what we're talking about is an idea for web site that is mostly used for playing farmville. >> we never in our wildest dreams thought we'd be involved in a lawsuit. it's not our choice. >> apparently someone tide them down with their own cardigans and made them file lawsuits. i'm not sure i buy it and i'm pretty sure piers morgan doesn't, either. here's where he cuts to the chase. >> you went to harvard, one of the smartest business places you could ever be trained. in the end you got screwed by a smarter guy. >> dangerous. let's break this down. they say it's about the principle, not the numbers. their arch nemesis has a theory about numbers as well. here's what mark zuk erberg says last year when facebook had reached 500 million members.
>> half a billion is a nice number. but the number isn't what really matters here. >> neither mark zucker berg nor the winklevoss care about numbers. as a general rule i think when people say it's not about money or numbers that's what it's about. since all three say it's not about numbers, problem solved. i think they should settle it the facebook way. a no hold barred poke tournament. there is an ac 360 facebook page where people post comments like this. "in today's tight job market, why is cnn outsourcing and hire ing non-americans? also those airlines sure anti-what they used to be, might as well be right up there with all the government and cheating crooked officials. dollars. and big banks, poo. >> there's a three hour difference in l.a. i need to go to scotl. >> i don't care who's idea facebook was, i just want to say thank you. it was your idea, cameron and tyler or both of you, congratulations on being the biggest geniuses on the
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