tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 29, 2011 11:00pm-12:00am PDT
good evening. breaking news tonight in the casey anthony trial. we've just learned that the defense plans to rest tomorrow. the case could go to the jury by sunday evening. it was an extraordinarily emotional day in court with george anthony weeping on the witness stand. but if the defense is resting tomorrow it now seems highly unlikely we're going to be calling casey anthony to the
stand to testify. martin savage is outside the courtroom, joins us now. marty do we know if she'll testify tomorrow? >> reporter: no, that's the real question mark tonight. here's the way this has been going down. it's been three years now that this case has been under investigation, 31 days that trial has been going on. as you point out it could all come to an end tomorrow for the defense. that's what they have said. however, that doesn't mean the end of the trial. because the prosecution says they want time for rebuttal. that could take them two days. on top of that, both sides have said for closing arguments they need a half day each. and then you have the judge that has to essentially charge the jury, give them the dos and don'ts before he sends them off. that could take anywhere from 45 minutes to maybe three hours. here's the real question mark here. before they start deliberations, this is a holiday weekend that's coming up. do they really want to hear closing arguments and sunday and get into deliberation on the fourth of july? the judge says he'll leave is up to the jury. >> we're going to check in with you you a little later on.
we have more on the case later in the hour. we'll also hear from court watchers sonny hosten and jean casarez and have a conversation with dr. phil mcgraw who used to work as a jury consultant later in the politics president obama today throwing down the gauntlet to republicans on cutting the budget and passing legislation so america could pay its bills. the country is facing an august 2nd deadline to do the second part, raising the debt ceiling, something no congress democrat or republican has ever failed to do. this time, though, republicans say it won't happen without big spending cuts and no tax increases. today responding to a question from chief white house correspondent jessica yellin, the president slammed republican leaders for not budging on taxes and for playing chicken he believes with that august 2nd deadline. >> we've got to get this done. and if by the end of this week we have not seen substantial progress then i think members of congress need to understand we are going to start having to cancel things and stay here
until we get it done. they're in one week, they're out one week. and then they're saying obama's got to step in. you need to be here. i've been here. i've been doing afghanistan and bin laden and the greek crisis. you stay here. let's get it done. >> a moment before he said that he compared lawmakers to slacker kids. >> you know, malea and sasha generally finish their homework a day ahead of time. malea's 13, sasha's 10. it is impressive. they don't wait until the night before. they're not pulling all nighters [ laughter ]
they're 13 and 10. you know, congress can do the same thing. if you know you've got to do something just do it. >> well, that drew this response from a gop house speaker john boehner "the president's remarks today ignore legislative and economic reality, and demonstrate remarkable irony. his administration has been burying our kids and grandkids in new debt and offered no plan to rein in spending. a debt limit increase can only pass the house if it includes spending cuts larger than the debt limit increase, includes reforms to hold down spending in the future and is free from tax hikes." tough talk now on both sides. joining us is political analyst david gergen, tea party strategist dana lesh and -- >> is it fair to claim congressional party leaders aren't working as hard as he is? he has enjoyed a golf game or two in his time. >> they're certainly not making enough progress. that's where i would take it. there's reports that the democrats, the president, is willing to accept as much as $2 trillion in cuts that the republicans won't even accept
like $400 billion in revenue. and i thought the president was exactly right. his party, my party, is going to have to agree to cut -- make painful cuts in constituencies we care about. the republican party is going to have to agree to new revenue. they're just going to have to. it should be focused on the rich. he pointed out tax breaks for corporate jets and oil companies, there's low-hang fruit that republicans for reasons i can't understand are defending. so i thought he made a very good point about the republican intransjens here. >> the private jet thing though as paul said that's kind of low-hanging fruit. if the president's really serious about cutting spending i'm not sure that's the biggest item he should be talking about. >> yeah. i think that only saves 3 billion. and he actually continued that tax break in 2009 with the stimulus. i think that the 2 trillion i believe was over a 10-year period. that's a drop in the bucket over what can be cut. we really have to look at entitlement reform the and we also have to realize has mystery
shows when government seizes capital, revenue for the government goes down it doesn't increase. you have to have that private sector incentive, the job creation, all of that. and tax cuts or an extension of the current tax rate is going to be the thing to do it coupled with massive, massive cuts. >> david, it's interesting because while the debt ceiling talks were under way, the white house was pretty quiet about it. does this seem to signal that they think the whole thing has fallen apart and the president is going campaign mode? >> anderson, it certainly suggests that the tone the president set today is a tone set by someone who thinks that talks are near collapse or not going anywhere. and he's trying to scold the republicans into action. if he really were truly near an agreement, i imagine he would have dropped all those snide comments about republicans. it would have been a much more constructive sort of encouraging kind of press conference. instead what we had were these snide comments which i think will -- and some of the argument. paul is right. some of the argument are going to play pretty well with the public that president made but the snide comments are going to alienate republicans, i think make it less likely they will come to the table in a compromising mood. and i think ultimately,
anderson, we're not going to get a big megadeal. i think we're looking at some sort of petsch. >> what is the strategy behind him doing this? >> i think david's right. it looks like the republicans are not going to right now agree to anything. so the game has not worked and they've been at this for weeks. if the inside game has not worked then maybe you try the outside game. i hate to even you phrases like "game". most of what i do talk about is politics. it's fun. there's no real harm done. people who really know the economy -- and i don't but people i trust -- say that potential damage to the economy if america defaults after two and a quarter centuries is really serious. people use words like
cataclysmic. i thought the president on that was pretty muted today. he said, well, it would actually be very unpredictable could cause a lot of damage, could hurt jobs. people are telling me it could be a whole loss worse than that. could you imagine being the president knowing that we have to cut spending, knowing that we need new revenue especially if we have to from the rich and from big corporations. it's an obvious deal. and not having partners who are willing to accept the obvious? >> dana, i think you have said you've expressed doubt -- >> a the press conference today she asked him there's been four dates that have already gone by and all this apocalyptic stuff that democrats keep saying is going to happen never actually happen. and we've gone past these dates and we keep having these extensions. so how do you reconcile that. so i don't think it is -- i think there's a little bit of fear mongering there. i don't think it is as bad. it's definitely not as bad as what is going to happen as what the cbo has said is going to happen if we don't get entitlement spending under control. if we look at medicare, the spending for that's going to double in 25 years.
we're talking about having the possibility of medicare spending being 11% of our gdp. i mean, it's astronomical. there's no way we can sustain spending like this. >> david, i see you shaking your head. >> i'm sorry. factually, the administration has never set four dates and said we're going to have real consequences if we don't hit this date. they have always said for a long time august 2nd is the big date. that's just been very clear right from the beginning. and secondly, listen. we're playing with fire here. every major economist, every major financial institution, the international monetary fund today issued a report saying there's going to be a severe shock to the economy nationally and internationally if we go into default. standard & poors has warned that they're going to cut our credit ratings. i don't know how many different kind of warnings you have before you realize, this is going to be really a very dangerous game we're playing. and both sides need to act like adults. the president sort of accuses
the democrats -- i mean, president accused the republicans of going off and loafing. he's going off to fundraisers. he's got another one tomorrow night. he's had a series of fundraisers. if both sides are going to get serious let both sides stay in town. >> right. can i add one quick point onto what david said. we would not even be having these biden debt talks, we would not be having these discussions if democrats had produced a budget in the past two years. >> paul, i want to give you the final thought. >> the budget passed two years doesn't have anything to do with it. we have a debt crisis. the american economy is facing default, the american government is facing default. it has potentially really damaging consequences. it's not an even steven deal. the democrats don't like the spending cuts. they hate it but they're agreeing to it. republicans have got to agree to ask wealthy people and big corporations and big oil companies to pay a little bit more. and until they're ready to acknowledge the obvious, then they're going to plunge this country -- i worry that maybe they're rooting for america to fail so that obama can be defeated. i hate to think that. >> no. no. >> it's the only possible explanation here. why would they want it drive our
country into default? >> we got to go. dana, appreciate it. paul, david, thank you. let us know what you think. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter @ anderson cooper. dennis kucinich sits down with the dictator of syria and taking heat for praising him. he claims he was mistranslated. we'll show you what he said. you can decide for yourself. we ask tough questions about was he being a diplomat or being duped. and more later in the casey anthony trial. first words in her trial were tears and dr. phil mcgraw on her credibility on the stand. >> her likability is not good right now. her believability, her credibility is not good right now. it will do nothing but go down if she takes the stand. [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience
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against him, blaming 64,000 roving criminals. that was the most recent one. blaming religious fan ticks, outsiders, anyone but the people you see syrian forces doing the beating, the shooting, the jailing and torturing. against that backdrop ohio congressman dennis kucinich traveled to syria, met with assad and made remarks that syrian state media jumped on. they quoted the congressman saying president al assad is highly loved and appreciated by the syrians. that stirred up a storm here and among the syrian opposition. the congressman issued a statement saying he was mistranslighted, mischaracterized. we've obtained an audio transcript. it isn't exactly what what he said. he said "people have separated their similarings of the regime and their estimation of the president, that people still have a love and respect. many people still have a love and respect for the president but they do not have a love and respect for the regime." now clearly the phrase "many
people still have a love and respect for the president" is not quite the same as saying president al assad is still highly loved and appreciate by syrians. on the other hand it's not that much different. the congressman is underfire for making the trip at all. he won't answer questions about who paid for the trip, by the way, when asked by the cleveland plain dealer. but making this trip at a time when assad is massacring his own people. opposition groups say he was duped into giving the regime legitimacy. the congressman claims he met not just with the government with the dictator but with oppositions as figures as well. but he want allowed to go to the regions where people have been shot to death in the streets and where tortured bodies have been returned from. he hasn't been able to meet with families who have had tortured bodies of their children to meet with them. he also said in his statement "the process of national dialogue which has now begun is a step in the direction of identifying necessary reforms". but keeping them honest, nonpartisan human rights groups can make out any reform here. the syrian dictator has been promising reforms since before he took power 11 years ago. he did anytime 2005 in advance of a baath party congress. there have been no reforms other than a few banking reforms. there have just been promises he hasn't delivered.
cnn's harwa gorani and arwa damon. >> did he seem concerned that this visit would be used by the regime to add legitimacy to their violent response and -- >> reporter: i asked him that question. he said i'm here on a fact finding mission. i'm here to listen to all sides. so he didn't seem as though he was somehow concerned that this would be used for propaganda purposes. >> he also, according to sana, says that international media had exaggerated the violence in syria and urged people not to
jump to conclusions. do we know is that true that he said that? >> reporter: well, that's not what we heard him saying. he said it's posh that the international media are now in the country because you need to see things first hand. it seems as though sana's transcription, translation or characterization of what kucinich said is based on what was actually said but it is not as far from what he said perhaps as some may want us to believe, anderson. >> arwa, more deaths at the hands of government forces were reported today in the northern part of syria. what's the latest you're hearing? >> reporter: yeah, anderson, that's part of that ongoing military sweep throughout the northwestern part of the country. the same sweep that sent those thousands of refugees across the border to turkey. now according to the syrian observer for human rights another six people have been killed in two different villages, both of them along the turk irk border. >> it was also reported arwa that military had largely withdrawn from hamah and other towns throughout the country. activists were saying that move was a sign the crackdown was draining the regime's resources and finances. do you think that's the case? >> reporter: it's definitely challenging to try to pierce
through what the psyche and logic of this regime is. some people are saying that look this is a regime that feels that it is increasingly being backed into a corner, it does on the one hand feel as if it does have to at least make a superficial effort to try to change its tactics. because there is the realization that we've been hearing too from government officials that the very country is at stake and the government is acknowledging that. >> reporter: and one last point, anderson, for more than three months we were kept out of the country. and if the last three days alone the government has put forward three senior officials to speak on camera. there's definitely a desire to try to control the message coming out of damascus. >> and they're certainly controlling your movements and where you guys can go. kucinich talked about that he
met with members of the opposition. he wasn't allowed to go to the military hospitals where we know protestors who have been injured are forced to go and in the allowed to go to regular hospitals. so he wasn't in the areas where he was actually meeting with protestors, correct? >> reporter: the opponents of the regime that congressman kucinich spoke with probably are those that are tolerated by the government right now. but arwa and i have spent several days now just trying to persuade a few people to speak off camera to us, just the audio of their interviews. so it's nearly impossible to say that anyone at this stage can mean all the opposition in syria. >> if the congressman is right and he did not say all these things, then this would seem to be a clear example of yet again the syrian government media -- controlled media putting out fake stories, making up things. i mean, literally making up quotes and putting words into a congressman's mouth. >> well, when you look --
they're not twins. i think that's how you can describe it. but yes, there is a willful mischaracterization of what congressman kucinich said than what you're saying, anderson, is fair. >> because the congressman is saying that there was a mistranslation or perhaps a problem with the translation. but the sana news release ways in english. and the congressman was talking in english. so there was no translating that -- >> reporter: well, i think the communication director said something about how there may have been arabic translators in the room translating congressman kucinich's words into arabic and then the translation back into english created confusion. because sana is both in arabic and english. >> hi there, anderson. the afghan government says a militant group based in pakistan is to blame for yesterday's deadly attack on a kabul hotel. the siege was left 12 victims including all nine attackers dead was believed to be carried out by the hakani network thought to be linked to al qaeda
>> hi there, anderson. the afghan government says a militant group based in pakistan is to blame for yesterday's deadly attack on a kabul hotel. the siege was left 12 victims including all nine attackers dead was believed to be carried out by the hakani network thought to be linked to al qaeda officials say the attack will not stop the planned withdrawal of u.s. troops from afghanistan starting in july and scheduled to end in 2014. it could be a crucial legal victory for amanda knox in her bid to overturn her conviction for the murder of her british roommate in italy. court-appointed experts told an italian court that dna evidence used to convict the american college student and her co-defendant was contaminated. bank of america is paying $8.5 billion to settle claims from angry investors over mortgage securities gone sour. those investors include big financial films like black rock, pemco and met life.
bank of america also says it will post a second quarter net loss of up to $9.1 billion. and a 360 follow, remember that southwest airlines pilot who insulted gays, women and older workers in an open mike rant back in march? well, he's now apologizing. in case you didn't hear it the first time, here's some of his rant. >> eleven left eleven homosexuals and a gran any. eleven. think of the odds of that. i thought i was in chicago which was party land. after that it was just a continuous stream of gays and grannies and grandes." >> well, in a lengthy letter to his coworkers captain james taylor wrote "i deeply regret the derogatory remarks i made and the hurt i have caused. i take full responsibility for those comments. it was truly insensitive of me, and i would like all of you to know that from now on i will
show nothing but the utmost respect during my interactions with all employees". southwest says taylor has been reinstated in his job after being reprimanded, suspended without pay, and given diversity training. well, anderson, as it would turn out pilot aren't the only ones causing some trouble at the nation's airports. have you heard this that fer tile turtles, yes, i did say turtles, invaded the tarmac at new york's jfk airport today. did you know this? >> i did not. >> turnsous more than 150 turtles crawled across a runway and disrupted air traffic in order to find the perfect spot to lay their eggs. >> really? >> yes, that's right. love knows no bounds. >> i was going to ask how did you know they were fertile turtles. i guess that answers that. >> all you need to know that is the turtles are on twitter at jfk turtles. this is their feed. they nearly have 3,000 followers. their last tweet was posted 23 minutes ago to questions of what they were doing for july 4th they say they're having a
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crime and punishment back to our breaking news, the defense says it's going to rest tomorrow in the casey anthony trial. after prosecution rebuttal the jury will be hearing closing arguments and could start deliberating sunday night. today the defense continued its focus on whether alleged sexual abuse by her father and brother can explain her behavior after 2-year-old caylee went missing though they haven't proved any sexual abuse occurred at all. george anlt anthony was in the witness stand sobbing as he recalled his granddaughter had been found.
you see his daughter sitting stone faced listening. later she turn emotional when a grief counselor testified a loss of a child could lead to bizarre behavior. for the first time we heard casey anthony speak in the courtroom. martin savage reports. >> reporter: 8:30 a.m. as the court took up the critical issue of a mistrial, there sat casey anthony completely alone. her defense team was late. not a single one of her attorneys was in the courtroom. and only one, ann finnell was on the phone. it led the judge to ask a question directly to anthony. it was the first time she would speak at her own trial. >> ms. anthony, do you want to ask that question now or do you want to wait until mr. baez and mr. mason and ms. sims alive? >> i can answer that now. >> okay. >> i agree with miss finne will,l. >> thank you, ma'am. >> the drama was just beginning. for most of the morning it was anthony's father george who
found himself in the cross hairs of defense attorney jose baez who walked caylee's grandfather from one emotionally-charged subject to the next, including incest. >> you know, of course, that sex with a child under the age of 12 years old is life in prison, don't you, sir? >> sir, i never would do anything like that to my daughter. >> my question is, you would never admit to it, would you, sir? >> sir, i would never do anything to harm my daughter in that way. >> only in that way. >> reporter: then baez took george anthony, a former police detective, back to the smell in casey's car which the prosecution says came from his granddaughter's remains. the defense says it was something else. >> there is also a difference, sir, of saying it's human decomposition and not human decomposition? >> i didn't say anything about not being human -- i said decomposition. i'm going to clarify that again. i think i've done that very well. you're trying to take this joy of my life away from me, sir. and you can't do it anymore. >> would you --
>> i'm going to answer this to you, sir. the decomposition that i smelled in the trunk of my daughter's car on july 15th, 2008 at johnson's towing smelled like human decomposition. to me, sir. that's what it smelled like to me. i can close my eyes at the moment, sir, and i can smell that again. how dare you, sir, try to tell me that i did something differently to what i did. >> reporter: the prosecution took anthony back to his attempted suicide six weeks after caylee's remains had been found. >> why on that particular day did you decide to take your life? life? >> why that particular day i picked, i really don't know. all i know is my emotional state even through today is -- is very hard to accept that i don't have a granddaughter anymore. but for that particular day, i don't know. it just felt like the right time to go and be with caylee. >> reporter: but for george
anthony, the final emotional straw came when he was asked how he felt when his granddaughter's body was found. >> what effect did that have on you when you learned that caylee's remains had been found? >> a deep, deep hurt inside. tears. the whole gamut of just an emotional loss, a breakdown inside of me, and seeing what my wife and my son went through. >> up to that moment, had you held out the hope that caylee would be found alive? >> absolutely. every day from july 15th until
the day we were told it was caylee caylee. >> in january of 2009 you went -- i'll give you a moment. >> do you node a break, mr. anthony? >> no, sir, i need to get through this. i need to have somethinged in of me get through this. >> do you need a break? >> no, sir, i'm fine. >> reporter: through it all, casey anthony sat stone faced and emotionless. but that would change in the afternoon when the defense put a grief counselor on the stand, trying to show that anthony's partying lifestyle while her daughter was missing wasn't a sign of guilt but grief. >> they'll then act out because they've decided that they don't want anyone to be near them because everyone that's near them leaves them. and so -- and it doesn't -- i
know you all know that death isn't the only loss in the world. >> reporter: these are the final days in this trial. each one, it seems, more emotionally strained, each one closer to justice for caylee or casey. martin savage, cnn, orlando. >> for more on what we can expect the next few days we turn to jean casarez and sonny hosten covering the trial on "in session" tv. the defense was trying to paint george anthony as somebody throwing his daughter under the bus but you say it backfired on the defense. >> the defense tried so hard to get testimony out of george that could lend itself to help the defense, but it seemed like the harder they tried the more it failed. let me give you one example. a question was posed, you were walking in the woods around here, weren't you? and the response from george anthony was, yeah, we were finding a new command center so we could try to find caylee. at the corner of these two streets it is a wooded area.
and that's where we set it up. at one point also he said, look, i never wanted to believe that my own daughter was capable of killing her own daughter. that stunned everyone in the courtroom. >> and it certainly seems to verify what gary tuchman learned from his attorney days ago that his attorney told our gary tuchman that anthonys do not believe their daughter is innocent. they didn't say what she was guilty of but they just said they don't believe she's innocent. it was, jean, an incredibly dramatic day in the courtroom to see george anthony just breaking down on the stand like that. >> he was sobbing on the stand. and anderson in that courtroom the jurist so close to the witness. and the sobbing and the emotion, the distraught in that man. but then right across the courtroom was casey anthony. and she was not only stoic but she was -- there was an expression on her face of just
disdain. >> sonny, you said the defense made a mistake when they opened up the door for the prosecution to enter george anthony's suicide note into evidence. >> that's right. because i think that argument cuts both ways. the defense started talking to him about this suicide attempt. and he did leave a know. and jose baez the defense attorney started saying and that said note it showed a little bit of guilt, didn't it? well, the prosecution then wants to open that door and put in place into evidence, rather, that suicide note. well, the suicide note doesn't talk about anything of a cover up. it doesn't say anything about his guilt. and one can assume that if you're going to commit suicide and you're involved in this coverup and that you're involved in the death of your granddaughter you would admit it at that time, right? >> the breaking news tonight at the top of our program was we've
>> i'm going to stick with my prediction, ooernd anderson. because jose baez talked so much in his opening statement that she was sexually abused by her own father. he also said in his opening statement that caylee died an accidental death by drowning. in my view there is no evidence of any of those statements in evidence, only the opening statement. how else does the defense bring that in front of this jury? and i think it really runs the risk -- the defense does -- by not putting casey anthony on the stand, not putting that evidence in and the jury's been waiting for it for what, 31 days? and so i'm going to stand by my predictions. i think it's still possible that casey anthony saves herself by testifying tomorrow. >> jean, i think you had said jean also you thought she was going to testify. do you still think that if in fact they're resting tomorrow? and if they don't call her to the stand, do we know what witnesses they have left to
call? >> you know, sonny is so right. there is no evidence of accident. there is no evidence of sexual abuse by the brother or the father. but i don't think we're going to put her on the stand. i just don't. i think they may believe they have some strength in what they have done. >> it's going to be an interesting day. another one of many. sonny hosten, thanks very much. jean casarez as well. thanks the break, coverage continues with the defendant resting tomorrow, the jury possibly getting the case sunday evening. next we'll talk with dr. phil about whether casey anthony should take the stand. he has a strong recommendation on that an opinion that her father abused her. later on the the ridiculist elegance may be learned but the real housewife in new york is out with a new song and it's on tonight's the ridiculist. a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice.
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more now in tonight's breaking news in the casey anthony trial. the defense team saying it plans to wrap up its case tomorrow. they haven't said whether casey anthony will testify. it's a tough decision. if she doesn't she looks like she has something to hide and they have no way of proving or discussing the alleged sexual abuse which is what they said in the opening statement. if she does testify and the jury doesn't believe her it certainly could damage her case very badly. today the spotlight was still in the relationship between crazy and casey and her dad, seems -- explain the bizarre behavior after her daughter went missing. a grief expert said a young parent after a child's death may
engage in risky behavior and deny the child has died. i talked to psychologist dr. phil mcgraw. he used to make a living as a jury consultant. >> so dr. phil, the defense is alleging as you know that casey anthony was sexually abused by her father starting when she was eight years old and this is why she was able to disconnect and lie repeatedly about caylee's disappearance. there's no evidence of sexual abuse to this point. does that make any sense to you? is that common among victims of abuse? >> well, it's not. and look, anderson, i don't want to do anything to trivialize if a child has been molested in any way. in this case, first off we don't know that took place. it came out very conveniently timing-wise to try to explain the unprecedented explainable. but also let me tell you. the fact that someone has been sexually abused when they were a child in no way justifies, causes or underwrites the kind of behavior that she is being
accused of here. and it is a complete disconnect. i am surprised that this is their strategy. i think it is desperate. and i think it will not resonate with the jury. >> it was also interesting today, george anthony took the stand again denied sexually abusing his daughter, broke down when answering questions. it was very emotional. me talked about this attempted suicide effort that he made after caylee's remains were found. he was sobbing on the stand. and it was interesting to watch casey. she sat there kind of expressionless. i guess you can't put too much on how somebody reacts under a pressure situation. but does that signal any red flags to you? >> well, it does at many levels. and i think you have to go back and what everybody is doing right now, every parent in america -- not just parents but certainly parents -- are asking themselves how out of touch, how disconnected, how bizarre their thinking would have to be to have done something like she is accused of doing. and i can tell you that in order
to do that, to make that okay in your mind, you've got to be way out of touch with reality. you've got to be so narcissistically self-absorbed that you could unplug from virtually anything. and the fact that she is emotionless when she sees her father in meltdown at this point that just tells me that we're seeing more of the behavior that she is reported to have exhibited when her child first went missing. she was out partying. she was laughing. she was joking with people. when allegedly her child's body was in the trunk of her car. so you just have to ask yourself, how strange does your thinking have to be in order for that to happen? so for her to be emotionless just with her father on the stand is no stretch for her given what she's done so far. >> it's interesting because we saw this grief counselor on the stand late today who was talking about how different people react in different ways to grief and handle grief, and that kind of acting out in different ways can
be a normal way some people handle grief. did that ring true to you? >> well, it doesn't ring true to me. look. one of the things i'm concerned about -- as you know, i've spent a major portion of my career as a litigation consultant. i did post-doctoral training as a forensic psychologist. so i've been in these situations a lot. i have evaluated these people. i've looked at what the cause and effect are when people do the things that they're often accused of doing. and when you're trying to connect dots that are so far apart, it just smacks of desperation. >> they're trying to throw up whatever they can to see what sticks basically. >> again it's a smoke screen. she was molested. look, how many people have tragically been molested in their life that don't become murderers, that don't do this kind of unconscionable actions that she is accused of doing. i mean, it's just a huge stretch. and i think that it is an insult to the jury. and anderson, i've worked with juries for years and years. and i am a huge fan of the jury
system. i think they basically get it right. i think they really try to get it right. and i think that if people think that this jurist buying this, i see no evidence whatsoever that this is doing anything except delaying the inevitable. >> it's will go interesting. because the jury has seen these jailhouse videos with crazy interacting with -- with casey interacting with her family. her dad and her appear very close telling each other how they love each other, he says he's do anything to help her, she tells him he's the best father, the best grandfather. that's got to have an impact on the jury now that they have seen these and that the defense hasn't presented any evidence of any kind of sexual abuse. >> it just doesn't fit, does it? and i can assure you there's been a lot of controversy about whether she is going to testify in this case or not. >> do you think she will? >> i think she absolutely will not. and if the defense put her on
the stand, i think it's tantamount to malpractice. i think to do so -- there are questions that she just simply doesn't have answers to. anderson, you can't make sense out of nonsense. and what they're going to ask her to do if they were to put her on the stand is to try to make sense out of a menagerie of lies, a menagerie of misdirection poised with the authorities at the time that she simply doesn't have any answers for. and her likability is not good right now, her believability, her credibility is not good right now. and it will do nothing but go down if she takes the stand. there is no way she should take the witness stand. and i don't believe that she will. >> dr. phil, always good to talk to you. thanks, sir. >> thank you, anderson. >> got more on the trial in our next hour on 360. also ahead raw politics. president obama taking some tough shots at gop lawmakers in the budget standoff. still ahead tonight, painting a better future for themselves. a program that's helping to send kids to college while sprucing up their neighborhoods. that's next.
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tonight some new york city kids out painting the town. literally. it's a program that brightens their community and their futures. education contributor and high school principal steve perry explains. >> he had no idea a paint brush would change his life. he moved from guinea in west africa to new york city when he was ten. >> what is the reason you came to the u.s.? >> a better education, my mother
thought that i would have better opportunity to just succeed in life. >> he had a hard time fitting in at school. he didn't speak english, kept to himself, and eventually started hanging with the wrong crowd. then he found public color. >> i basically came every day. >> the nonprofit puts paint brushes in the hand of students to brighten up schools, neighborhoods and low-income areas across new york city. >> color has huge power. >> ruth shueman founded public color 15 years ago with the idea that color can positively affect attitudes and behaviors. >> so in these places where you change the color, what impact do you think that has on people? >> the colors that we choose, they're very bright. and like they brighten up a person's mood. >> just a change of color? that does that? >> just a change of color. everything like your whole perception of the place changes. >> what impact do these colors have on you? >> well, when i finish a project i just look back and say, wow, i
really helped a community, i really made this place way better than i already did and it makes me feel proud of myself? it's often said about children in general in this generation specifically that they just don't care about anything. >> oh, i don't think it's true. i think society is letting kids get away with not caring. i put a lot of blame on us, on all of us. these kids, they'll become what we help them become. they are walking potential. >> so when you -- to member kids realize that potential, public color provides tutoring, mentoring, college scholarships and career workshops. >> last year, 100% of our students went on to college. >> teanu graduated from college two years ago with. the help of a public color scholarship. today he works as analyst for a fortune 500 company and volunteers with public color on the weekends. his dream is to return to guinea and open his own business. >> public color was always
around to make me come back, to come back to who i truly am and what i need to do in life and stay on my path and try to reach success. >> so steve, it's great to see those kids having fun and also brightening up their communities. how can more kids be encouraged to give back? >> well, get them to paint a bridge. in the case of public color, what they're doing is they're not just painting bridges but they're changing the way in which the community looks at itself and the kids who are in the community look at the community. just by adding a little color to a police station or a school or in some cases a bridge, they're creating a whole different aesthetic and a sense of pride within their community. >> principal perry, thanks. >> my pleasure. >> we'll be right back. this past year alone there was a 93% increase in cyber attacks.
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