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>> it's been two years now for the first time mark sanford's side of his very private life today. >> given the last of my life there, needed to be some healing. for us, it's a place where i could sort of concentrate and think about what i want to do next in life. >> it's mark sanford live and exclusive on monday. that's all for us tonight and now here is anderson cooper with now here is anderson cooper with "ac 360." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com we begin tonight with texas governor rick perry. tonight a fund-raiser in alabama. he's entering the presidential race, a move that's already shaking up the republican field and it could spell trouble for candidate obama. part of governor's perry's pitch to voters is what his supporters call the, quote, texas miracle creating jobs in recession. standing up to washington. but is all of that true? tonight we're keeping them honest.
first the jobs. >> we created more jobs than any other state in the nation. as a matter of fact, in the last two years, we created almost half of all the jobs created in america. >> that's governor perry yesterday. you're going to hear that a lot in the weeks and months ahead. we checked with the bureau of labor statistics and his numbers, do, in fact add up. texas created about 262,000 jobs between the summer of 2009 and now that's out of 524,000 jobs nationwide. but the bureau of labor statistics says many of those jobs were for the minimum wage, minimum wage jobs have more than doubled in texas over the last four years and also texas is creating many jobs in part because the population is growing so fast, up more than 4 million since rick perry took office, more people buying goods and services and more jobs. some those people boosting the texas economy come across illegally across the border. according to the it ex-text association of business, illegal immigrant labor pumps in $17 billion a year which in turn also creates more jobs. another job creating factor, federal stimulus money going straight into state and local construction projects or as it did in the last two years, to cover 90% of the state's budget deficit.
in as much as jobs are jobs governor perry is on solid factual grounds with his claim. he was claiming victory on that as recently as yesterday. >> and that's exactly what we've done in texas, some very simple but very effective principles of keeping our taxes low and our regulatory climate fair and predictable, legal system that doesn't allow for oversuing and starting out by not spending all the money. we left $6 billion in our rainy day fund in texas, so we've got a decade's worth of experience. >> he's saying he balanced the state budget while keeping taxes low, without dipping into emergency money. however, he did it by taking big money from washington. back in june of 2009, when governor perry was signing the 2010-2011 budget texas was $6.6 billion in the red and it also had a rainy day fund to cover that shortfall. instead of using the fund, texas lawmakers in the perry
administration filled the gap with $6.4 billion of federal stimulus money. that's how he balanced the budget without touching the rainy day fund. at the same time as he was taking billions in federal money he was railing against the federal government. earlier that year he even posted a blog headlined "help us turn the tide in washington and stop these irresponsible bailouts." that post went up the same day he requested the federal money. here answer the letter he wrote to president obama "please allow this letter to certify we will accept the funds in h.r. 1 and stimulus and use them to promote economic growth and create jobs in a responsible manner that is in the interest of the texas taxpayers." he said he opposed the stimulus and took the money. right up to this day he continues to speak out against federal money and the state officials who take it. >> americans are fed up with democrats and republicans who have embraced bailouts, championed so-called stimulus programs and supported big government giveaways. >> governor perry has published
a book titled "fed up, our fight to save america from washington" during that same period governor perry was actually talking openly about the possibility of breaking away from washington. >> we got to break, there's absolutely no reason to dissolve but if washington continues to thumb their nose at the american people who knows what might come out of that. when we came to the nation in 1845, we were a republic, we were a standalone nation and one of the deals was we can leave anytime we want, so we're kind of thinking about that again. >> two years later the stimulus funds have dried up and there are no longer billions of federal dollars to help texas out. last month governor perry signed a new budget with deep cuts affecting millions of cuts. charles in south carolina it will be a fascinating day tomorrow, and roland martin and mimi swartz, executive editor of "texas monthly" magazine.
mimi, you live in texas an covering rick perry. will his jobs claims and budget claims hold up under campaign scrutiny? >> i don't think so. i think when you look at what's happened to the way people live here, our economy's really going to be suffering. once those budget cuts kick in you'll see a whole lot more employment maybe in time for the election. >> erick, does it sound there's double-talk on the acceptance, on the acceptance of the stimulus money? >> yeah i think there is. keep in mind every governor opposed to the stimulus wound up keeping the money, in fact a lot of them did it because of pressure from state legislature or in some cases i think texas is one of them, their democratic delegations that we won't give you money for education unless you take stimulus funding and texas was affected by several but yeah he has to explain that on the trail. you can expect a mitt romney ad on the issue. >> roland martin ,jobs are the top priority with voters.
>> here's one of the issues in 2008 with senator obama and senator clinton were campaigning in texas and then had to go to ohio. texas benefitted from nafta. nafta is not popular in states like south carolina, ohio, pennsylvania and michigan, and so he is going to have to also explain that. but to erick's point you must examine that. you can't stand here and talk about, you know, decrying stimulus funds, but you accept them. also in texas, the republicans control the house and the senate. so it's not like rick perry actually had to do it. if he wanted to say no to stimulus funds he could have said so but he didn't. >> is that the case, mimi? >> i would assume so. i'm just thinking about quality of life here and again what people are going to really see once reporters start digging into the way life is lived here, the poor air quality, the poor health care, we're way down at the bottom of all of those things. i hate to see it, you know, i
hate to see texas dragged through the mud again, but i think that we're in for it. >> erick, how strong a candidate do you see rick perry as a candidate and who does he most immediately affect by entering? >> i think rick perry would probably be a strong candidate. he's going to have to wither a storm probably for the next couple of weeks. so people understand if he's a paper or a tiger. if they see he's not a paper tanker he'll impact mitt romney largely because of the impact on someone like tim pawlenty and michele bachmann, pulling people away from them. mitt romney seems to be capped out nationally a quarter of the republican primary vote. if perry can cause consolidation it pushes mitt romney it's psychological factor that it's even nominee down further. >> roland you look at the latest poll, rick perry five points behind president obama, it's early, the polls are a snapshot. should the white house be worried about him? >> no, because you have to get through the republican primary first. if you go back to 2004, a
generic democratic candidate, was leading president george w. bush in the polls. we saw what happened in november. and so the polls are one thing. you still have to to run the race. remember fred thompson in 2008 republicans were in love with him, he crashed and burned. former new york mayor rudy giuliani, same thing, they loved him. he crashed and burned. i don't believe governor perry is the same, he will be an active campaigner. but again, he will also turn from, in terms of tea party, michele bachmann. rick santorum placed his agenda on social conservatives. rick perry pulls from him. if he's able to craft a strong economic message he greatly impacts mitt romney. so he actually impacts 3 of 4 candidates beyond one candidate. >> we're going to leave it there. erick erickson, roland martin, mimi swartz. good to have you all on the program. thank you so much. reality it's a lot more complicated and the relationship is kind of fascinating. take a look. reportedly, there's been bad
blood all around. jim acosta has the "raw politics" tonight. >> amen. >> amen. >> amen. >> reporter: for rick perry, it's a question keeps coming up, not whether he's running for president, but whether he's running from a certain president named george w. bush. >> i called him on his birthday. >> reporter: this week, perry told "time" magazine there's no bad blood with the man he replaced as governor from texas. >> not from my perspective and not between george w. bush and i. >> reporter: go to youtube and you'll find a different story. four years ago speaking on behalf of rudy giuliani's failed campaign in 2008, perry slammed his predecessor. george bush was never a fiscal conservative, never was. wasn't when he was in texas. >> if washington won't protect our border, texas will. >> in his run for re-election in '06, perry blasted washington on illegal immigration and clarified in an interview which washington he meant. >> which washington are you
criticizing, the republican-controlled congress or the republican-controlled white house? >> all of them. >> all of them. >> and the fact of the matter is everyone is complicit in not addressing the issue. >> if it means throwing george bush under the bus, he'll do it. >> reporter: former texas congressman democrat martin frost says, if perry has a bush problem -- >> football, cotton, barbecue, it's a great time of the year. >> reporter: -- it's that he's too much like him. >> if you close your eyes and listen to governor perry, he sounds like governor bush. >> bring him on. >> he drops his gs, has some of the same word choice so they sound very much alike. >> reporter: is all of that authentic? >> oh, i think it's authentic. >> reporter: both grew up in south texas, both have ranches, perry grew up on one in the tiny town of pan creek. bush has crawford. texas political experts say that may explain why perry has worked so hard to step out of bush's shadow. >> i don't think there's
anything wrong with respectfully disagreeing with someone who i highly admire. i love george bush. he's a great president and i support him. >> reporter: he's also courted tea party republicans. >> all of that was an effort to rebrand, if you will, texas as rick perry's texas, rather than george w. bush's texas and looking forward to a possible national campaign, clearly governor perry is going to need distance from president bush. >> reporter: perry isn't the only one doing the distancing, when perry ran for re-election last year, bush's father and his vice president both supported senator kay bailey hutchison in what was a bitter primary challenge. >> i think apt the staff level there is a certain tension between some of the texas staffers for george w. bush and governor perry's staffers. >> reporter: but former bush secretary ari fleisher says, there's no scandal in perry wanting to be his own man. >> part of running for office is establishing your identity,
sometimes you reinforce that which came before you and sometimes it means you differ, and i suspect we're going to see both of those with governor perry. >> reporter: in his speech perry is expected to tout his economic record but democrats in this state point out that record has never been tested on a national stage. that process has just begun. jim acosta, cnn, charleston, south carolina. >> let us know what you think, we're on facebook or follow us on twitter. @andersoncooper. i'll be tweeting tonight. up next, the first big test for gop candidates tomorrow, some of the most interesting moments from the debate last night and sarah palin showing up in iowa for the straw poll. the question is she seeking publicity or does she have a reason to be there? candy crowley, john king join me in a moment and later, the latest from syria. the resistance not backing down even in the face of truly staggering brutality, kidnapping children to punish their parents who protest.
dramatic video from today. first let's check in with isha sesay. isha? >> polygamist leader warren jeffs is now in prison serving a life sentence for having sex with minors. we'll play some the taped evidence that was sent there. it's chilling. you'll hear from ex-followers as they explain how he became a cult-like leader, bill a harem and still worshipped by his followers today. that and much more when "360" continues. is kate. [ kate ] can't believe i have high blood pressure. what's that thing? another medication. ♪ i really should have taken my shoes off before i got weighed. [ female announcer ] you've got a lot on your mind. that's why every walgreens prescription goes through a 10 point safeguard check that reviews your current walgreens health record for allergies and potentially harmful drug interactions. [ kate ] i can do this. [ female announcer ] the 10 point safeguard check from walgreens. there's a way to stay well.
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in case you missed it here it is again boiled down to about a minute or so of some key moments. >> people are looking for a champion. they want someone who's been fighting. >> it's an undisputable fact that in congress, her record of accomplishment and results is nonexistent. >> when you were governor in minnesota, you implemented cap and trade in our state. you said the era of small government was over. that sounds a lot more like barack obama if you ask me. >> america's got to learn how to take a joke. >> look i'm not going to eat barack obama's dog food. what he served up is not what i would have done if i had been the president of the united states. >> 4.2% unemployment. that's my credential. >> i need to respond to that. >> you have the next question. >> i'd love to see the rest of tonight's debate asking us about what we would do to lead an america whose president has failed to lead instead of playing mickey mouse games.
>> tomorrow the straw poll which again could be a make or break event for some the candidates. just before air time i spoke to candy crowley in iowa and john king who will be there for the weekend. winning the straw poll can boost fund-raising but doesn't predict necessarily future success. mitt romney won it in 2007 and lost the iowa caucuses so what is tomorrow really about? >> it has no official role, anderson, in the nominating process. plays out somewhat look a circus act but straw poll has a history sending some well-regarded candidate to the sidelines. if you're like rick santorum, he told candy crowley if he's not in the top five he's probably done. why? if you're trying to get your footing and line up activists and line up fund-raising, even though this event doesn't count, a lot of people will look at it to see, will you be viable down the road? >> candy, santorum said that to you. i guess it really judges the candidate's strength, the turnout there, the kind of resources they can put into the event. >> reporter: exactly it measures
organizational skills yes but also sort of tests your fund rising ability because listen, let's say tim pawlenty, he spent $1 million in this, this is a very important moment for tim pawlenty. rick santorum doesn't have that kind of money. he's been using shoe leather. look, we've bought some tickets for some people but $30 a ticket, you're talking about a pretty big state and trying to bring people on buses down here, so candidates you know, usually supply the tickets, supply the bus transportation, supply the food when they get down here, and that takes a pretty well-healed candidate. >> john, for pawlenty, iowa is really make or break. he went after michele bachmann last night in the debates. she's obviously been leading the polls. i want to play some of what was said. >> she's got a record of misstating and making false statements. that's another example of that list. she says she's fight are for these things. she fought for less government spending, we got a lot more.
she led the effort against obama care. we got obama care. she led the effort against t.a.r.p., we got t.a.r.p. it's not her spine that we're worried about. if that's your view of effective leadership with results, please, stop, because you're killing us. >> so what kind of showing does pawlenty need to have tomorrow in order to remain viable? >> the motto of minnesota is minnesota nice, that was a little minnesota spice. look, congresswoman bachmann is from governor pawlenty's home state, she's under his skin because she's ahead in the polls. he's from neighboring minnesota, organized probably on the ground as well as if not better than anybody in iowa right now if you talk to the experts out there. governor pawlenty would like to win. he really needs to win. if he comes in second or third, it better be close to the top else the money will dry out. >> it's interesting to see sarah palin showing up trying to create a buzz in iowa, at a certain point, unless she's declared candidate, doesn't she start to look like she's just chasing cameras? >> reporter: sure.
we may have passed that point, yes. listen, certainly that is already out there. she did the same thing a couple of months ago, sort of raining on mitt romney's announcement that he was going to run in new hampshire while she was taking a bus tour sort of up the east coast so this is the sort of thing that she's done. she does attract the cameras. it was a mad scene here when she showed up in iowa today at this iowa state fair. she says listen, you know, i'm not, someone asked her that very question, are you just trying to get the attention, trying to draw attention from them and she basically said you guys are here, go away, go find somebody else, which we're not likely to do as she knows. >> so, john, newt gingrich's campaign has obviously you know, been full of messes. he's been limping along, campaign, his entire staff leaving. he was asked about it last night. it was really a fascinating moment. let's watch. >> how do you respond to people
who say that your campaign has been a mess so far? >> well, let me say first of all, chris, that i took seriously brett's injunction to put aside the talking points and i wish you would put aside the gotcha questions. >> gotcha questions is so just i mean that term, sarah palin uses that term you know when you just ask basic questions. that wasn't a gotcha question. i mean, newt gingrich cannot have been surprised to have been asked about his imploding campaign. >> he was not surprised but he was clearly irritated. it's not a gotcha question if you want to be the chief executive of the united states you're accountable for your campaign. and when your staff resigns that does reflect on the chief executive. his point i know i'm not one of the front-runners. i know that i will get asked about three, four questions. why don't you ask me about the debt and afghanistan and america's debt in the world. that's his frustration as a candidate who is struggling and you could see it from his strong performance but he is being squeezed out. i think largely just because he is yesterday's news to many republicans.
>> candy crowley, john king thanks very much. >> thank you. still ahead syria erupting, tens of thousands of protesters report happenedly taking to the streets. government security forces firing at them. we is remarkable new video. some protesters calling for president bashar al assad's death. they're now kidnapping the children to punish the parents who are protesting. crime and punishment, the audiotapes that brought some jurors to tears and they've just been released, incredibly disturbing. this is warren jeffs talking to girls, some underaged minors about pleasuring him. here's some of what he said. syria's government renewed that one day on the red hills of georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together
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>> there was violence in alepo, which is syria's second largest city. that's striking because support for president al assad has been strong there and the peace has been mostly peaceful. a warning this video is hard to watch. this was shot in aleppo. protesters under fire as they carry an injured man from the street. watch. [ speaking in foreign language ] >> 15 people reportedly killed in syria today. now cnn can't verify those reports or the videos that we're showing you because we're not
allowed to be inside of the country. we'd like to be but we're not allowed by the government. something else that was striking today. some protesters are demanding assad not only resign but some are now calling for his death. earlier i spoke with wissam tarif, a human rights activist. wissam, with all of the crackdowns that we've seen for months and the brutal, really truly violent. a large number of deaths just last week, the fact that so many syrians are still risking their lives to protest, i just find it stunning. >> it is astonishing, the protesters are determined. the protestors are not going back to their homes. the regime has used all and different ways of brutality. we've seen children today and being arrested. they shot people who are leaving mosques. they have in some areas sieged
mosques and did not allow protesters to go into prayers, and we have to keep in mind, as you all know what happened in hama just during the last week. we're talking about a massive number of casualties in one day, we have documented 109 people killed, and those whom we know about, but there's a lot which we didn't get out of hama because of the communication problem. >> and you mentioned it briefly but i'm hearing that security forces are trying different tactics today. more aggressive tactics basically attacking crowds immediately as they come out of the mosque and even you say arresting kids. why are they now arresting kids in greater numbers? >> well, they have used every way of brutality they know, and they know plenty. they have 48 years of practice. we have documented until last
week 2,998 people who are disappeared, families do not know anything about their destiny. and now they are using more brutal tactics. we see them kidnapping children for the simple reason that the fathers or the brothers or a family member has participated in a protest or have been engaged, actively engaged in organizing a process and supporting a democratic movement in syria. this is a different stage of brutality and it's very severe. we're not talking about adults who have disappeared. we're talking about children. >> would it be an important step for the united states to finally say, assad has to step down, assad has to go? because they haven't been willing to go that far yet. >> well, they should. they should. the united states has a
strategic interest in this region. they have an interest, a strategic interest in syria. this regime is pushing the country toward civil war. we have to keep in mind that the protesters have been taking all this brutality for the last five months and people are getting angry and people feel that they need to defend their properties, their families, their children and that at a certain point this will not continue to be as peaceful as it is. there is no political will from the opposition to militarize the protesters. there is a high level of awareness in the street that they want this to continue peaceful but at the end of the day, with the increased brutality and the increased violence no one can guarantee how things can end. therefore, it is very important for the united states to call on al assad to step down or the european union to do the same and most importantly from the european union to stop financing this group, this cruel brutality
and killing stop buying the fuel from the syrian regime. >> just the strength of people to continue to come out on the streets and demand dignity, demand the dignity that they deserve and have lived without for so long is -- it's stunning to see it and inspiring. wissam tarif, thank you for joining me. >> thank you, anderson. back with "360 bulletin." >> accused rioters are being hauled into court, many in special overnight sessions, more than 1,900 people have been arrested in connection with this week's violence and looting, about half have been charged. a federal appeals court in atlanta has found a key provision of the health care reform law passed last year unconstitutional. the court said forcing americans to buy health insurance or pay a fine exceeds federal authority. the decision conflicts with another federal appeals court ruling and virtually ensures the
case will end up before the supreme court. a relatively quiet end to one of wall street's most volatile weeks ever. the dow posted its second gain in a row, climbing 126 points. the nasdaq and s&p 500 also posted modest gains. and anderson, in ottawa, canada, 18 assembly plant workers who chipped in for a lottery ticket tonight collected their $7 million check, they found out they won ten days ago. found out the same day ten of them received layoff notices. they'll each pocket nearly $400,000. that's my big concern if i was to win the lottery would i want to come into work the next day >> what are you saying? >> i thought about it for 20 seconds and i decided nothing would come between us, our evenings together. >> oh, i don't believe you but i appreciate it. >> well, you know. >> what else are you going to say? isha, have you back in a moment. let's take a look at this shot, apparently it's dance friday, i discovered this on youtube. >> really? >> yeah, clearly i would know about this.
this guy was the sideshow at the outdoor concert. check him out. his moves are -- unique. >> his moves are, yeah. >> oh, he went there. oh, yes. >> yes he did. >> wow. >> do it, yeah. >> okay. >> wow, he's feeling it. i mean he's feeling the music. sometimes when he closes his eyes, he can just feel the music. >> okay. i'll give you that. that's pretty impressive. but i'll see your dancing middle aged man and i'll raise you a dancing grandpa. we have featured him before, but, oh yeah. you're going to love those moves. >> let's let the music play. >> that's right. ♪ check out the moves, the attitude and he is working it. we don't know whether the kid you see there are his grandchildren, but we like the fact that they're completely indifferent. >> let's just say i pray to god those are his grandchildren. >> i think they're just
appalled, they're like really? >> i hope those aren't some neighbor kids he calls into his apartment to show off his dance moves to. who do you think these kids are? kids, come in here. >> see what i can do. >> get the kids from apartment 2b. they love it. they love it when i dance. >> he's shaking his bits. let's just say that. >> his mits? >> we're still having problems with this english thing. >> okay. >> later on in the show i'll give you another lesson. >> okay, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> if you don't win the lottery in between then. more, key evidence in polygamist sect leader warren jeffs, the audio tapes played in the court that really shocked the jurors, jeffs instructing a group of girls, some as young as 123 how to have sex with him, but actually to hear these tapes, it's really stunning. we'll play a lot of them for you, i want to play you a little bit right here.
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"crime & punishment" tonight. chilling new audiotapes from the polygamous sect leader warren jeffs. the self-scribed prophet training young girls to be his so-called spiritual wives to satisfy his own personal desires presumably in the so-called temple beds you're seeing picture there is. the 55-year-old is now a convicted child rapist. a texas jury convicted him just last week. he is serving life in prison for the sexual assault of a 12-year-old and the same crime for a 15-year-old. some of the tapes brought jurors to tears. we want to warn you, they may be too disturbing for some viewers, particularly kids. here's warren jeffs in his own words. >> there's more.
>> this guy's a complete hypocrite on top of everything else because what he was preaching to the men in his congregation was completely different than the message he was giving to these women who he wanted to have sex with. portions not yet released of these tapes are far worse, recorded what many in the courtroom say sounded like jeffs having sex with at least one girl, elissa wall is a former member of jeffs sect, a former member of the church, along with carolyn jessop, author of two books "escape" and "triumph" one of these girls was your stepdaughter? >> that's correct, anderson. >> when you hear the tapes, what do you think? >> it's heartbreaking. it's absolutely heartbreaking.
warren had so much power over these young girls' lives. they grew up from the time they were 3 or 4 years old hearing his voice being played in the home all the time. he released upwards of 1,000 tapes of training into the community, and a lot of what's on these tapes is the same, it's a lot of the same types of verbiage, a lot of the same types of things that they're already continued to listen to. so of course they're going to pay attention and believe what he's saying. >> and elisa, for you these tapes have got to be incredibly disturbing. >> it is and it's harder know to hear the tapes. it's very much the same tone in which he is going about it as he did with me and coaching me to go back to the husband that i didn't want to be with and go back and be that submissive wife and to do what i was told to do. >> what was he telling the men in the congregation about having sex with their wives? >> sex was absolutely taboo, even if you were married. a man was to only have sex with his wife for the purpose of a procreation or fathering a child
with herer unless there was extreme other circumstances, it was not considered okay. he was never to have sex with her if she was pregnant, if she was nursing a baby so she could not conceive, he shouldn't have sex with her. there were all kinds of rules and regulations. >> elissa, as creepy as the tapes are, warren jeffs to me doesn't sound very charismatic. did you find him to be charismatic? >> we grew up since the tender age of a toddler hearing his voice, constantly hearing his voice on tapes, hearing in school throughout the facets of our life that monotone almost, just that voice. and so even though he doesn't sound charismatic, it was so much a part of our indoctrination that it was charismatic to us. >> in parts of these tapes, jeffs gives girls explicit instructions on how they should present themselves, literally groom themselves for him, i just want to play part of this.
>> he's saying, carolyn, "this is not to be known." did other people in the compound know what was going on between jeffs and these girls? >> unfortunately, i'm afraid that many of them did. people in the flds do talk to each other when they're instructed not to and unfortunately there are people that were involved in these crimes that, when i've learned of their involvement i was shocked they would be involved. >> elissa, you testified against jeffs in the first trial the ruling was overturned. with this conviction now and jeffs sentenced to life in prison, do you feel you've gotten a measure of justice? >> in a sense, yes.
i do feel there's been a measure of justice for a lot of people who have been heavily involved in this and have sacrificed so much to see him come to justice. if i could describe it in a sense that really described how i felt, it would be similar to that of the feeling of coming up for air after being under water for a long time, much longer than anticipated. >> yet as you know and you work now about and against, there are still so many, even if jeffs goes away for life there are still so many people who are in these communities and women in particular and girls who are going to be growing up in these communities with seemingly no way out. >> we have a very big problem with that, and one of the biggest issues that i have the most concern with personally is that, the education. the children coming out now are coming out functionally illiterate. they're coming out with no life skills. they're coming out with extreme trauma from literally being held in their homes as captives.
>> carolyn jessop and elissa wall, thanks so much. >> thanks for having us. >> thank you. we sent gary tuchman to some the strongholds of the flds sect, places where even after the conviction and hearing the tapes still consider warren jeffs their prophet, we'll show you his report monday. up next, a woman disappearance in aruba. according to robyn gardner's friend, she disappeared more than a week ago. why is he no longer talking to police. and casey anthony. a felony conviction that anthony cannot escape. and also the ridiculous, it will definitely make you laugh. it makes me crack up every time i see it. it involves a cat who, well, kind of looks like me. we'll be right back. [ martin lu] i still have a dream that one day on the red hills of georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together
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a second colorado county has filed attempted murder and assault charges after the sibling's fired an ak-47 at police during a high-speed car chase on wednesday. are also accused of bank robbery in georgia and attempted murder in florida. and in ohio a driver accidentally yanked a gas pump off of its base yesterday. luckily fast-thinking attendants kept the place from blowing sky high. the customer later returned to apologize and remarkably the station owner wrote the whole thing off. saying it's just one of those things. that's the latest and now back to anderson. separated at birth from a cat? the feline, another animal wanna-be so absurd they blamed it on tonight's "ridiculous." introducing the schwab mobile app.
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trying the exelon patch. visit exelonpatch.com to learn more. all right, time for the "ridiculist." tonight, we're adding this cat who apparently thinks that he looks like me. we saw this, it does sort of look like me. we saw this on a blog called -- ittotallylookslike.com. yes, i'm now going after defenseless animals, consider yourself on notice, back with you cat with a lot of nerve. i don't know who you are, where you're from or whether you were heretofore unaware of my steely blue eyes. yes i once peed on the floor but who hasn't in wolf blitzer's billiard one. interesting timing what with the ramp-up in publicity for my daytime talk show check your local listings or go to andersoncooper.com. along you come with your white hair and aloof facial expression. nice try. we're nothing alike. just ask my staff. they will tell you, i'm not an
aloof at all. don't think that i don't know there's a whole group of you wannabes out there, gotten a lot of coverage, the vibe.com, "the new york daily news," spread the news, i'm onto your scam. i spotted that alpacka, rihanna knows there's sex in the air, loves the smell of it. there's a freak in the barn, then there's the horse you know the one that looks like gary busey, you might be interested to know he was nominated for an academy award in the late '70s ean more recently on a reality show with star jones and that naked guy from "survivor." not everyone looks scary though here is "modern family's" eric stonestreet. they should be doing the spca commercials. watch out sarah mclachlan. your guys making us feel guilty might be outnumbered. but i digress, cat. you see the reason i'm on to
your scam is that, well i've seen it right here on cnn, perhaps the most famous animal celebrity combination -- sorry, let's see that again. that makes me giggle every time. those famous animal celebrity combination of them all, larry king. and this monkey, curious george, you're on with bill maher. what's your question? the monkey for the hour. a more uncanny resemblance i have not seen. i don't know who is who. left or right, i don't know? speaking of 9:00 p.m. host cnn, there is piers morgan who resembles -- well, never mind. cat, i don't know what you say. if i haven't eye don't know what to say. if i haven't gotten through to you now, all they can say is, watch your step. you and your posse don't want to anger me and you sure don't want to anger wilfred brimley.