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cup of tea, shall we? >> oh! >> congratulations, seriously and i couldn't be happier, granny. >> [ bleep ]. >> that's the end. that's the end of the quite extraordinary encounter with the osbourne family. >> and now -- >> anderson cooper starts right now. >> it is 10:00 p.m. here in washington. breaking news from a place north of here. they are just about as fervent about their politics in new hampshire. the republican presidential debate in new hampshire wrapping up moments ago. the eight candidates sat around the table with charlie rose. they made their points, traded jabs, as you can you can see elbow to elbow. the sole focus i of the faceoff, the economy. but politics not far from center stage either. with herman cain's poll numbers surging he and his 9-9-9 plan were obvious targets. >> 9-9-9 will pass and it's not the price of a pizza because it has been well studied and
developed. it starts with, lun like your proposals, stathrowing out the code. it is not going to boost the economy. this is why we developed 9-9-9. 9% business tax, 9% income tax and 9% sales tax and it will pass, senator because the american people want it to pass. >> one thing i want to say is when you take the 9-9-9 plan and you turn it upside down, i think the devil's in the details. >> unlike her man's plan which could not pass. how many people are for a sales tax in new hampshire. raise your hand. there you go. that's how many you will get in new hampshire. >> a critical event for rick perry. two shaky debate showings and the texas governor needed a strong showing and mitt romney is the front runner which made him a punching bag as well. hours before the debate he won the endorsement of governor
chris eichenla -- chris cyst. >> i have several guests joining me. gloria, let's start making the top tier means you catch harpoons, herman cain in the cross hairs, defending 9-9-9. how did he do. >> okay. >> he didn't get specific other than saying he wanted to get rid of the tax code. it was clear from a bunch of republicans on the stage they believe that you would never be able to keep the personal tax rate at 9% and that also a national sales tax is regressive and something they don't like. rick santorum, as you just showed made a good point. how many people in new hampshire are going to vote for a 9% national sales tax? the republican party doesn't
like to talk about that no matter how much herman cain does. >> it is not just the sales tax that is tough to sell, even conservative analysis of the plan say the federal government would lose 18 to 20% of the revenue from the current tax system. how does mr. cain sell that? that would make spending cut choices even tougher and we see washington can't get that done as it is. >> unless you accept the argument that a different, more dynamic tax code will produce dynamic growth in the economy, which is not a bad argument to make. one thing cain needed to learn tonight is these debates are like parking your car on a hill, either move forward or slide back and we may have learned herman cain's p.i.n. code for his bank card but nothing new about herman cain. romney had a great debate. ing inning in -- >> hang on, alex. one thing we need. >> i was going to say romney --
>> hang on. we needed to learn whether rick perry was ready to play. a lot of criticisms, how can he handle himself on this debate stage. the central issue was the economy. here's rick perry on his jobs plan. >> romneycare has driven the cost of small business insurance premiums up by 14% over the national average in massachusetts. so, my question for you would be how would you respond to his criticism of your signature legislative achievements? >> we have the lowest number of kids, as a percentage uninsured of any state in america. you have the highest. i'm still speaking. >> krit stichl. >> i'm still speaking. we have less than 1% of our kids that are uninsured. you have a million kids uninsured in texas. under president bush the percentage went down. under your leadership it has gone up. >> we will get to the jobs plan in a minute. we rolled them in reverse order.
there you see perry and romney going ate it. did governor perry turn out a strong performance enough to quiet the doubters? >> no, he did not. and i was waiting for this question about romneycare can to be a asked sooner. i thought it would appear earlier in the debate and romney asked him and i thought finally someone is going to ask about the affect on business in massachusetts and then he took a nap and fizzled out. i don't know what happened. he didn't follow up. he wasn't aggressive with it and the question wasn't framed in an aggressive manner he allowed romney to skate by on a number of fallacies. one of them was we didn't raise taxes in massachusetts. we were able to implement the health care system. that's not entirely true. it is because of the runoff cost of romneycare that taxes went up after it was implemented. that is something perry didn't follow up on. and i was waiting for perry to show he had the fire in his
belly and he really wants to run for president and i didn't see that from him tonight. i'm wondering whether he is serious about this. >> that is an important criticism and critique. so you have dana raising questions of whether he can go back and forth with mitt romney with at least among conservatives which should be perceived as a romney weakness. that is one that dana puts on the table. let's listen to the jobs plan. >> the plan i will be laying out the next three days and i'm not going to lay it out tonight. mittt has had six week. >> maybe he has more details to give us in the weeks ahead. given the slip in the polls an the questions of whether he can handle himself in a debate, is that good enough? >> no. it didn't seem like it here tonight. obviously his campaign decided we are going to simplify things and give him one idea, energy
equals jobs an let him be quiet and get through that way. the last debate, the excuse was made, he was standing up all debate long and this should have been his debate, he was sitting down. next time he will have to get a mattress. there was no energy, no fire and too simple. >> instead of seeming like an aggressor, perry sort of almost seemed like a bystander here. he really couldn't afford to do that. he just put out a brutal web ad against mitt romney, which attacked him on being a flip-flopper and on his massachusetts health care. and then tonight, instead of building on that aggressively, he just kind of seemed to be a little more passive or a lot more passive than i thought he needed to be. >> so dana, if that's the case. >> gloria -- >> i wanted to raise a point. >> if i could add to that.
>> we are all on delay. >> that is exactly how -- sorry about that. but to gloria's point that's how rick perry's won campaigns. he's never won because he's the most articulate candidate or the brightest intellect. he wins campaigns because he sticks a fork in his opponents eyeball and he has enough money in the bank and there are enough super packs out there and there is the negative super ad out there. i would expect to see tough ads from rick perry pretty soon in the boston and iowa media markets. >> herman cain didn't defend his plan plainly enough and rick perry was a no show, does that mean mitt romney won by default tonight or did someone else win this debate? >> not necessarily. and during the debate, perry's camp was sending out e-mails he should have been taying. and they did it consistently. that's something they should be talking about in the debate.
he had an opportunity to distinguish himself from other candidates. you had herman cain and mitt romney both defending tarp, just shocking. i don't think that romney wins by default. while he's a good debater and has great rhetorical skills, his answers don't pass the test. because of similar man ticks he come out on top. newt gingrich always does well. newt gingrich just chews everybody up and out and is able to reframe any debate he's in. i think romney comes out on top and gingrich comes ou on top. i think cain did well, perry did not. >> newt has been strong but hasn't been able to close the poll numbers. if perry is 0 for the past three i assume that is do or die. >> it is important. people need to believe. republicans need to believe if they are going to nominate somebody this person can stand next to barack obama on the
stage and go at him. and do well at it. if he cannot do that in a debate, with his republican contenders with the other republicans he's going to have a hard time against barack obama. that's what people are looking for. and he hasn't shown it yet. >> gloria, dana, alex, appreciate your insights. right after this republican debate our cnn debate one week from tonight. let us know what you think. i will be tweeting withinging ahead more breaking news, details obtained by 360 on the alleged terror plot uncovered here on u.s. soil with ties, get this, to iran. holder says the fbi and dea uncovered a murder for hire scheme to kill the ambassador. there's only one bottle left !
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learn more at chase.com/ink obtained by 360 on the alleged terror plot uncovered on u.s. soil with ties to iran. the fbi and dea uncovered a murder for hire scheme to kill saudi arabia's ambassador to the united states, manssor arbabsiar is his name. according to court documents the suspects talked about killing
him with explosives, possibly at a crowded restaurant in washington. a naturalize u.s. citizen appeared in court today. in a moment details on how they caught him, how long he has been held and who was tracking him and another member is of the revolutionary guard. iran is blasting the united states saying it has no ties to this suspected plot. the spokesman for mahmoud ahmadinejad said "i think the u.s. government is busy fabricating a new scenario and history has shown the u.s. government and the cia have a lot of experience in fabricating scenarios and this is the latest one. i think their goal to to reach the american public they want to take the public's mind off of the serious domestic problems they are facing these days and scare them with fabricated problems outside of the country. robert mueller said there was no fabrication. he said elements of the iranian government were ready to spend $1.5 million to hire what they believed was a drug cartel hit squad for mexico.
>> this case illustrates that we live in a world where borders and boundaries are increasingly irrelevant. a world where individuals from country sought to conspire with a drug trafficking cartel in another country to assassinate a foreign official on united states soil. it reads like the pages of a hollywood script, the impact would have been very real, and many lives would have been lost. >> this new fallout just this hour, congressman king, the chairman of the house homeland security commit see says iran with was planning an act of war on u.s. soil and chairman king says everybody should be left on the table, everything. as for the saudi response, they released this statement, the royal embassy of saudi arabia would like to express its appreciation to the responsibility agencies of the united states government for preventing a criminal act from taking place. the attempted plot is a despicable violation of international norms, standards and conventions and is not in
accord with principles of humanity. joining me with new insight on the alleged plot is former homeland security adviser to george w. bush fran townsend and fbi supervisor agent. with us tonight, cnn contributor, tom fun tae tays and bob behr. what are your sources telling you. >> he said it is like a hollywood plot and as we got additional details it is not only that but an incredible example of the sophistication and success of the fbi and law enforcement agents here. we know manssor arbabsiar flew in to mexico and was denied entry. it turns out we learned from senior counterterrorism officials he was denied by design. you would think he then flew to new york. you may ask yourself why didn't
he fly to texas? that's where he and his family were living. because federal officials in the united states understood that under texas law he may not have been able to be held to do an intelligence interview. he was flown to new york. unbeknownst to the defendant, on the flight were federal agents. they took him in to custody and to a secret facility where he was held from september 29th until today. that's 12 days, john. each of those days he was interviewed by federal agents. each of those days before the interviews began he was given miranda warnings and told he was entitled to be presented on charges before a federal magistrate and each of those days he, in writing, signed a waiver. the reason he was presented today, the defendant was tired of talking to federal agents. during those 12 days they not only got a confession from him and we see that in the complaint but also dozens of sgel
intelligence reports and leads. those reports are being gone through across the agencies trying to find additional links. the interesting thing, john we know there are direct links to the irgc, the revolutionary guard. senior counterterrorism official tells me they have not yet found a direct link to the supreme leader or to president mahmoud ahmadinejad but that's what they are going through these reports looking for now. >> let's go through the process. ali i want to come to you first because you are familiar with the interrogation tactics. what does that tell you, 12 days of talking and i'm done. the feds decide to go to court. what does that tell you about the suspect and the process? it tells me the vinl has been cooperating and that the government was probably taking advantage of his cooperation, getting as many intelligence as they can get. this is a very sensitive case. it has regional and national
implications and the government needed to dot every "i" and cross every "t." i believe the fbi agents needed everything they could get from him and eventually after his cooperation ended or maybe it ended from our side, he was presented and appeared in to court. because the subject, the defendant, has a right to ask for an attorney and has a right to appear in court anytime he wants. just the fact he stayed more than 12 days, being interrogated by the fbi, that indicates to me that there was a level of cooperation going on. >> so, tom, fuentes, if you read this complaint and now we understand fwhapd prison, it does read like a hollywood novel. if i you presented this in hollywood they would probably throw you out. but the key adviser to king abdullah. what is the goal. why would iran want to do this and why here? >> well, i think one thing that iran has an advantage is when they make the rest of the world mad at them and either create a
situation where the united nations starts hearing evidence against them, or other statements are made, then that unifies them politically and internally. someone like mahmoud ahmadinejad can gain national power internally if it is iran against the world and that could be one reason to have an attack like this. >> iran against the world. bob, how unusual is it for foreign government? if this is we believe this. the republican guard of iran outsourcing an assassination to a criminal drug enterprise, a drug cartel? >> it uses proxies to to make attacks. it could go on and on but they always use reliable proxies. i've never seen them go to drug cartels, sit down in a meeting like this, send money through new york. it is sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.
this is not characteric of the force at all. it makes me wonder if there isn't somebody is losing it in teheran. it is a terribly risky operation and has been said by the department of justice it is an act of war. how can we not respond this? what i can't figure out is why they left so many clues, fell in to the trap. it is not their mow dus op randy. >> thank you for your help tonight. let us know what you think. we are on facebook or follow me on twit wither. herman cain's controversial comments on race and racism in america. and one week after republican new jersey governor chris christie said he won't run for president he announces which gop candidate he thinks should get the job. we will have that. >> john, for the first time we hear dr. conrad murray's full story. what he says happened the day michael jackson died.
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cain said today that many liberal democrats in the black community are, quote, racist, for questioning his political ambitions as a black conservative republican. his remarks came in an interview on a radio show. and there's more. over the weekend, the former executive of godfathers pizza, pillsbury and pizza den say that african americans who remain economically disadvantaged have only themselves to blame. watch. >> they weren't held back because of racism, no. people sometimes hold themselves back because they want to use racism as an excuse for them not being able to achieve what they want to achieve. >> that comment, along with some others he made recently, outraged a number of african-american leaders who argue cain is out of touch with reality. among his critics professor cornell wells who said the republican candidate needs to get off his, quote, symbolic crackpipe and harry belafonte who called cain a bad apple who didn't represent the african-american community. last night, cain fired back at his critics on fox news hannity. >> people like harry belafonte,
professor west and others who attack me they don't want black people to think for themselves. this is why they are so upset with herman cain, who's now moving up in to the top tier for the republican presidential nomination and that people are listening to me. they don't want me to wake people up and get them to read the fine print and think for themselves. >> cain also had this message on fox news for those speaking out against him. >> i left the democrat plantation a long time ago, and all they try to do when someone like me -- and i'm not the only black person out there that shares these conservative views, the only tactic they have to try to intimidate me and shut me up is to call me names and this sort of thing. it just simply won't work with. >> comments like that help or hurt his presidential campaign? joining me now joyce watkins, founder of your black world.com
and do you first, herman cain says some of his critics are racist. you believe he's a racist. that is a heavy indictment. stick by it? >> yeah. i think herman cain, to some extent, is the perfect racist. because racism is most effective when it has a black face. a lot of people think that being black means you can't be racist but we have black people who have problems with dark skinned black people, black people who have problems with poor black people, et cetera. you even have women that will sit on a jury during a rape trial saying her skirt was too short or she shouldn't have been out that late. so women that hate women or people that promote an agenda not created by them but is accelerated by the color of their skin. remember, no other republican candidate could really get away with talking about race as much as herman cain has. to some extent he's at risk of turning his campaign in to a political gimmick.
you see hannity and guys like him using him to say those things that maybe they are afraid to say themselves. >> ken, blackwell, is herman cain a racist? >> i don't think that herman cain is a racist. i don't think that harry belafonte is a racist because he says herman cain is a bad apple. i think race is being used in this instance all around the table to repress differences of opinion. when race issues to repress dissent, it is wrong on all sides of the table. look, herman cain as a republican, heetds conservative. he believes he has a prescription for growing the economy, creating jobs and providing opportunity for all americans, inclusive of black americans. >> when it comes to -- >> i think the name -- john, john, i think name calling has gone too far. >> you are saying name calling
has gone too far. we have known each other a long time and your involvement in ohio politics including being the secretary of state. you are among the african-american republicans trying to build support in the african-american community. is the language helpful to that effort to have more blacks join the republican party or hurtful? >> i think mr. cain's prescription for growing the economy is helpful. i think when he says that folks who differ from him have been brainwashed, that is not constructive. i don't think that calling him a bad apple or saying that he's on a symbolic crack pipe is helpful either. look, people want -- it is as if the african-american community was drowning 50 feet off shore. they don't want somebody to throw them a 100 foot rope and drop their end to find something better to do or a 25 foot rope saying a swim will do you good. they want someone that will hold 50 foot rope and hold on to their end. that's what we have to get back
to. >> boyce, what about the argument, about the lack of ideological political diversity in the african-american community and many lib rap african-americans criticism conservative african-americans saying they are somehow abandoning their community. >> one of the best-kept secrets in america is that many black people are very conservative. i'm the from the south and a lot of people in my family want to like herman cain. some of his values are in perfect alignment with their own. i think what mr. cain might want to pick up on is this simple word called dignytism you have to run your campaign with dignity. you can't make ridiculous statements one after another and allow people to use you as a racial fire ball. colin powell was a conservative also. many people loved and respected colin powell. to this day, many people respect him. i know i do. there's a big difference between a way a conservative like colin powell would run a presidential
campaign versus herman cain. this idea of gimmicks and turning yourself in to a black male sarah palin or a black male rush limbaugh, that might be great for selling books or getting a radio show, but it's not what people will look for in a commander in chief. i would argue he is acting more like a court jester as it stands today. >> is that fair, court jester, ken? >> that's youth outside of the pail of talking about human dignity. here's a guy that groh grew up in a low-income family, went to school, did well, created jobs and hired black and white folks and latinos. he, in fact, has lived the american dream. and basically to say that he is -- i have seen him depicted as sambo by the left s. that promoting human dignity? no. i'm saying both sides have to get back to what people are looking for. they are looking for leaders who
inspire hope and create opportunity and pull i us together to get something done and i think i have heard herman cain over the last 20 years. he can be that sort of leader and i think he in fact needs to invent his program and say this is what i'm about. >> boyce watkins, ken blackwell, appreciate your voices tonight. and the president demanded a vote on the jobs bill and he is getting it but it is not turning out the way he hoped. in his own words, jurors in the michael jackson death trial hear dr. conrad murray's version of what happened the day jackson died. and kids tell us what it is like to be bullied and the toll it takes long after the bullying stops. >> it starts to build up and bad things start to happen. whether you start cutting yourself, you kill yourself, you develop a eating disorder. it is obsessive. it becomes obsessive.
crime and punishment. another emotional day in the dr. conrad murray trial. they showed jurors a photo of michael jackson on the autopsy table. we are not going to show it to you. >> what was the cause of death. >> the cause was acute propofol intoxication. propofol, of course, is that powerful surgical anesthetic that dr. conrad murray, jackson's personal physician said that jackson was addicted to. the prosecutor asked the medical
examiner this. >> what was the manner of death? >> the manner was homicide. >> homicide. homicide. dr. murray pleaded not guilty to manslaughter. his lawyers say that jackson gave himself the final and fatal dose of propofol. but today the medical examiner shot down that explanation. >> the circumstances, from my point of view, do not support self administration of propofol. >> now, that's his professional opinion, as a medical examiner. the real drama came when dr. murray described what happened in the final hours of jackson's life. prosecutors played a recording of an interview murray gave police just two days after jackson died. here's ted rollins. >> for the first time jurors heard the story of what happened in the hours before michael jackson died. directly from the doctor blamed for hi death. in a two-hour interview recorded by police, dr. murray recounted a sleepless night for jackson
who was desperately looking for rest in order to prepare for his upcoming tour. >> he was wide awake. and then he complained. i i've got to sleep, dr. conrad. i have these rehearsals to perform. i must be ready for the show in england. tomorrow i'm going to have to cancel my performance. i will have to cancel my trip because, you know, i cannot function if i don't get the sleep. >> murray said he gave jackson a series of sedatives, but nothing worked. timely at 10:40 a.m., he says he gave in to jackson's pleas and administered 25 milligrams of propofol. , which jackson referred to as his milk. >> i then decided to go ahead and give him some of the milk.
because i cared about him. i don't want him to fail. i have no intentions of hurting him. the time line 0 of what happened is under dispute by the prosecution. >> i monitored. i sat and watched him for a long enough period that i felt comfortable. and then i needed to go to the bathroom. so i got up, went to the bathroom. then i came back to his it bedside was stunned in the sense that he wasn't breathing. i was gone maybe two minutes. his body was warm. there was no change in color. so i assumed that everything happened very quickly just about the time that i went there and back. >> murray said he was away from jackson for only two minutes but phone records show that murray spent 45 minutes on his cell phone before he discovered that jackson had stopped breathing. still the audiotape may work in
murray's favor. the jury heard murray say repeatedly he loved jiang sacks wanted to help him. >> mr. jackson was my friend. i loved him. michael jackson may have had dependency to a substance. i was trying to wean him off. >> he talked about consoling jackson's daughter paris at the hospital. >> i tried my best and she said, i know that, dr. murray. she said i know you tried your best. i know you tried your best but i'm really sad. because i will wake up in the morning and won't see my daddy and she cried. >> the audiotape maybe the only chance that the jury has to hear murray's story, as it is not expected he will take the stand in his own defense. ted rowlands, cnn, los angeles. >> a lot of powerful evidence for the jurors. joining me to success is attorney mark gary goes.
and sunny hostin. who does it help more, the prosecution or the defense? >> i think it clearly helps the defense. you don't have to think back too far to the rob effort blake case where the prosecution played the barbara walters interview. he didn't have to take the stand. he wasn't cross-examined. he was able to get his story out. here you have him expressing the his love for michael jackson and everything else. i'm a little mystified as to what the gain was for the prosecution at the risk of putting in all of this evidence. if i can tell you, kudos to your network, unlike some other networks for not showing the autopsy photo. it is inexplicable to me why that is being played by other networks. >> let me ask you this question, why do you think -- we're not going to show it. we will have some standards here. why do you think the prosecution decided to bring it in to
evidence? >>. >> i think they wanted to -- i think the shock factor. i just can't imagine what the probative value was. this is not a case where there was a stabbing or a shooting and where entry or exit holes are going to matter or where it will make one difference to how he died. how he died will be based on the toxicology reports and medical testimony. looking at his body on a gurney doesn't give the your any value whatsoever. i don't understand number one why they introduced it. number two, i don't understand why the lawyers didn't ask for it to be sealed. if they did, i don't understand why the judge allowed it to be out to the media and lastly, i don't understand why certain networks have lowered their standards to show it. >> sunny do, you agree, shock value is the only reason to introduce the photo and do you agree the tape is not as damaging as the prosecution hoped? >> i disagree with mark. he should know in every case that is based on a homicide you
have to show the autopsy photo. you show the lifeless body. they only show two pictures. i think it is probative, relevant and appropriate. as to the tape recording, i would agree with mark on that. i think there's no question that it certainly helped conrad murray a lot. now his story is in front of the jury. i think he sounded cautious, reasonable and he's not going to testify because he doesn't have to. he will not be cross-examined but his story is out there. i think mark and i have a 50/50 split but i don't think that people should be showing the autopsy photo. >>. >> i don't disagree that in almost every homicide case they show one i but in almost homicide case it isn't a situation where you are talking about toxicology. you are usually talking about 99% of the homicide cases i do, 99% of them time it is a bullet or stab wound. >> mark, one thing that it was, an and also on the tape you hear dr. murray saying michael
jackson never told him he was seeing other doctors, never told him the medication those other doctors were giving him. what's the impact of that? i'm assuming the defense says we are not culpable. >> that's what the defense is. they previewed in the opening statement that there was this lethal combination of drugs, unbeknownst to doctor murray, michael had been doctor shopping. that was the defense's opening statement was. now i anticipate they will bring in a laundry list of prescription under a laundry list of name and that will be in evidence and they will say, look, this lethal cocktail was that killed michael is not from dr. murray administering it. he didn't cause the death even if he was not rising to the level or standard of care in a doctor in this situation. he didn't cause the death and that is what they are going to argue is going to cause a not guilty. >> mark geragos, sunny hostin, appreciate your insights
tonight. how a few brave kids and maybe even yours can make a huge difference in bullying. >> it get mess angry when i see somebody picked on. >> what makes you angry. >> the kid don't anything to deserve the bullying so i want to stop it. i don't want to see anything escalate. so what are you doing at a gas station? well it still takes gas to go farther. but you're not getting gas. true. not this time. uh, don't have to gas up very often. so you have to go to the bathroom? no. yes you do. thought these were electric? yes, it's a uh, a chevy volt. so what are you doing at a gas station? fore! no matter what small business you are in, managing expenses seems to... get in the way. not anymore.
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now, bullying in schools. no kid deserves to be tauntd and abused but to stop it we first have to understand it. 360 teamed up with two experts in the field and one school in a new york suburb to explore the roots of bullying. the results are astonishing. forget the stereotype of a schoolyard bully preying on the weak, a lot of students even the most popular are caught up in bullying. another surprise, victims are often bullies themselves. it is a vicious cycle but researchers say we can stop it. the solution might be easier than you think. here's anderson's report. >> reporter: the wheatley school, one of the top ranked schools in the nation has a bullying problem. >> calling me gay, faggot, dumbass. it can be hurtful. >> bad things happen. whether you cut or kill yourself, you develop an eating disorder. it's obsessive.
it becomes obsessive. >> they physically and mentally and emotionally abused me and i'll admit i had thoughts of suicide in ninth grade. >> 360 teamed up with sociologist robert ferris and diane felt willly y to see how serious the issue is here at wheatley. why kids bully and how to stop the problem. 700 students took a survey four times over the semester. what we discovered was shocking. 56% of all students had engaged in aggressive behavior, been victimized by bullies or both. and out of all incidents 80% were never reported to an adult. perhaps more alarming to parents -- >> in the survey 74% of students said they don't think that telling their parents about an understand dent would be helpful. does that surprise you? >> no. >> most people say that telling your parents -- parents will most likely say just ignore it.
you can't ignore it. it will stick to you and you will think about it at the end of the day. >> after you get bullied you internalize it. i think of my day over and over and what everyone said aboutmen me and you start to think bt it yourself. >> they have anti-bullying programs from kindergarten to 12th grade. the principal feeney? >> it breaks my heart when they keep that inside and we're not aware of it. our goal, of course, is to try to reach our students. we're not always sdesful but we will certainly continue to try. >> our studies show the main reason kids bully is to climb the social ladder. in a key finding, the it found most of the time bullying doesn't work. kids who bully don't actually gain social status. >> we find by and large, on average rng the more aggressive you are, it doesn't have an
effect on how likely you are to climb the social ladder later on. >> reporter: that could be a breakthrough. educate kids not only that bullying is destructive but why they bully is misguided and let that message spread. >> there's also the possibility that positive behaviors can also spread through social networks and kids may be more likely to intervene in bullying situations if they see their friends stepping in to stop things. >> getting kids to intervene a is crucial and these are the students on the front lines of the fight. they were ranked not as bullies or victims but the ones that step in and try to stop it. >> do you feel bullying is a big problem? >> yes. >> for andrew it was his experience as a victim that makes him stand up to bullies. >> do you think the fact you were bullied when you were younger you know what it feels like and makes you want to intervene. >> definitely makes me angry when i see somebody getting
picked on. >> what makes you angry about it. >> the kid didn't do anything to deserve the bullying so i want to stop it. i don't want to see something escalate. >> according to think research, these students could be a key to stop bullying. >> the bystanders are the heart of the school social life. they have the numbers and they really hold the power to prevent this behavior. if it really is about jogging for status, then it won't work if those kids, those bystanders are actively disapproving of it or stepping in to prevent it. >> valuable lessons there. this study is part of 360s effort with facebook and the cartoon network and "time" inc. to stop the bullying epidemic. we will have more each week and join anderson for his town hall, bullying, it stops here. it is october 14th at 8 and 10 p.m. s shined.
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