tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN October 24, 2011 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
♪ it had to be you ♪ it had to be you. >> this is painful for you, it's probably painful for the audience, harry, it's been a pleasure. >> piers, thanks very much. >> that's all for us tonight. ac 360 starts now. with new revelations highlighting the gap between what a politician says on the campaign trail and his or her own record. the record he or she is running on or appears to be running away from and twisting the facts on. it's the last chapter in the anti-mitt romney story line, that he's running away from the health care plan he crafted as governor of massachusetts. >> it's now my pleasure to introduce my collaborator and friend senator edward kennedy. >> the one he touted at the time was a model for the national
health care plan. >> what governor romney's former presidential rival called obamany care for its similarities to the governor's law. governor romney has been running away from his critics as fast as he can, saying it should no longer be held up as a model. it's another little known piece of his law that's giving him the biggest headache today, one that says any residents of massachusetts is entitled if they need it, to state subsidized health care, regardless of their immigration status. mitt romney is the one who tore into texas governor rick perry's statewide program to educate young people, even illegal immigrants.
>> you talk about magnets. you put in place a magnet to draw illegals to this state which was giving $100,000 in tuition credit to illegals that come to this country, then you have the big states of illegal immigrants are california and florida. over the last ten years they've had no increase in illegal immigration. texas has had 60% increase in illegal immigrants in texas. if there's someone who has a record as governor with regards to illegal immigration that doesn't stand up to muster it's you, not me. >> opponents have uncovered a portion of the health care plan. take a look at the q & a section of the massachusetts website explaining the law. question four, do i need to be a u.s. citizen to be eligible for the health safety net? answer you do not need to be a u.s. citizen to be eligible for the health safety net. you do need to live in massachusetts. the perry campaign has seized on that saying that governor romney's government mandated health care plan provided free
care for illegal immigrants in massachusetts establishing just the kind of illegal immigration magnet governor romney claims to oppose. mitt romney's camp responded, saying the regulatory activities involving the health safety net fund including who could get care were made long after mitt romney left office. keep in mind, that just does not appear to be so. here's what one leading expert on base day health care told jim acosta. >> he definitely signed the law, absolutely his people had to know both before and after the law about how the state dealt with this need. this was a costly issue. it was part of the process in the conversation leading to passage of the law. >> you can argue about whether covering illegal immigrants are a good or bad idea. supporters say it's a money saver because uninsured people end up using more costly emergency care. whatever you think of the marriage, mitt romney seems to be disowning it.
it was clearly something he was involved with. susan molinari, she's a mitt romney supporter. also former congressman j.c. watts, who hasn't endorsed a candidate yet. and dale ash, editor of big journalism.com. is this a problem for mitt romney? >> i think it's a big problem for mitt romney. his defense out of the gate was a little weak. there's a several different ways he could have come out stronger about this, but he chose the wrong one. it's a huge problem because he made this a focus against rick perry and any other candidate during the last debate. it's a big problem because if you want to look at illegal immigrations and health care costs, and illegal immigrants and college tuition, health care is a mandate. you don't have to have a college education. so i think that it's
exponentially worse. anderson, there's so many different ways that i have problems with this whole thing, but the bottom line is that it underscores how bad romney care was and still is and still continues to be, not just for massachusetts but for mitt romney. >> susan, you're a romney supporter, do you agree with dana that this is damaging for him? >> i think it's something that needs to be explained in terms of the reality of today. number one, his health and human services secretary stood up and said, while we were crafting this legislation, at no point in time did we do anything to encourage and in fact went out of our way to discourage illegal immigrants from taking care of -- from taking advantage of this health safety net. number two, illegal immigrants or anyone taking advantage of emergency room health care is a federal law, not a state law. so that's something that has to be dealt with on a state by state basis from a federal perspective, not from just the state of massachusetts. and number three, it is true that the regulations that were
promulgated that seem to include illegal immigrations, that include them came under deval patrick, not under governor romney. >> susan, you're saying they didn't do anything to encourage illegals, but the law when it was being written and mitt romney apparently knew about it and this was discussed at the time according to those who have been following this very closely, they knew it would allow illegals who were in the state of massachusetts to get health care. >> before the law and after the law, illegals were granted access to health care because that's the federal preemption over all state laws. so yes, i'm sure they were aware of it, but there was very little they could do in crafting state legislation. >> j.c., where do you stand on this. >> hi, susan and dana, anderson with all due respect to governor romney, as i traveled over the country the last 14, 16 months talking to republican voters, i have found there's been two
camps. there's been a pro-romney camp and an anybody but romney camp. and i think again with all due respect to the governor, these are the type of things that have republican voters questioning, you know, where he stands. i understand the federal, you know, the federal regulatory policy. however, it's something that the governor's going to have to defend and i think it's one more arrow in his quiver that he's going to have to defend along with all the other things that people see a real dichotomy in his policy decisions concerning a lot of different things. that's why you have not seen him running two presidential campaigns both very well funded, very well organized, but he's not gotten more than 24, 25% at this point. and i suspect that will remain a problem or will present a real problem for his consultants and those who are advising him.
>> dana, couldn't you just say -- and let me just play devil's advocate here. this is just the perry campaign trying to muddy the waters, that romney scored some blows against perry during various debates saying that he was encouraging illegals to come to texas with his dream act. his support of it. they're just trying to muddy the waters? >> you can say that but perry didn't have anything to do with this, that was romney's doing. two points, first and foremost that these rules went into effect may 1st, 2004, while mitt romney was governor. it stated that your citizenship status, your immigration status will have no effect on your eligibility. this passed while mitt romney was still governor. so the deval patrick argument does not work. >> what about susan's argument that the federal government requires that people be treated -- >> right. well, no, and look, i understand that point because -- and i
think that perhaps the intent behind this was to encourage illegal immigrants to stop using the emergency room as a primary care facility. but there's a problem with that. and the problem is we know just last year $400 million is spent on this particular program and a little over 1 million clinic visits and hospital visits were paid for through this program. but the problem is we don't know how many of them were illegal immigrants because massachusetts doesn't record that data. so if you're going to use this as an argument to say, well, the federal law says that we have to cover them, this program is us trying to reduce the cost, then you would think that the state would keep track of the number of illegal immigrants whose visits have been paid with this program. so we don't know how many. so i don't know how anyone can really use that argument to sort of boost their point here. >> susan? >> well, because the point is that you're accusing governor romney of including them and i'm saying that it's the federal government that forced the governor to cover that in any legislation as has been the case in states throughout this
country and in fact under deval patrick, the current sitting governor, those ramifications and policy ramifications have only increased towards encouraging illegal immigrants to take that kind of action. so those are very valid points. that was not the reality set forth by governor romney in any way, shape or form. >> we'll see how this continues to play out on the campaign trail. dana loesch, susan molinari and j.c. watts, thank you for joining us. let us know what you think, we're on facebook and twitter. i'll be tweeting tonight. you're already tweeting me about it. up next, what's going on. are democrats wasting their time playing politics on a jobs bill scheduling vote after vote that they know will fail while the unemployed americans are pounding the pavement. or obstructing a bill most americans say they want. we're keeping them honest. also tonight, new video showing some of moammar gadhafi's final moments. yep, another video. the moment he was taken alive, really basically once and for all answers the questions about whether or not he was caught in crossfire as the libyan government has continued to
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keeping them honest tonight, reaching an effort to put americans back to work. one side is calling republican refusal to even consider obama's jobs plan what the other side is calling a democratic ploy to keep putting that plan up for vote knowing full well the republicans won't pass it. the charge grandstanding instead of reaching a compromise to help unemployed americans. you can agree or disagree on that charge. we'll talk about it shortly. but first, how we got here. the president put forward a plan that polling shows a strong majority of americans support. but a handful of democrats in congress and republicans do not. >> some of you probably know that last month i sent congress a piece of legislation called the american jobs act. don't just applaud about it. vote for it. vote for it. and this is the bill that congress needs to pass. you should pass right away. you should pass it right away. pass this jobs bill.
now, pass this bill. we need to pass this bill. i don't care if you're a republican or a democrat. this is not the republican jobs act. this is not called the democratic jobs act. this is the american jobs act. and everybody will be better off if we pass it. pass the jobs bill. they should pass it right away. i'm ready to sign a bill. i've got the pens all ready. >> but republicans quashed the bill in the house and blocked the senate version from proceeding. they attack the president for playing politics with jobs and waging class warfare because the bill is financed by taxes on the wealthy. senate majority leader harry reid breaks the bill in pieces, still with the millionaire tax. although republicans can once again block it, reid said he'll continue to schedule these votes. a reporter asked him why. >> if 70% of the american population supports taxing millionaires and you say the problem is that the senate gop won't get on board with this, why not try to find another pay
for it that the senate gop can get behind instead of taxing millionaires? >> the senate gop has had a love affair for many years now with grover norquist. they will not touch anything dealing with revenue, nothing. even though they're not in touch with reality or their own constituent, but they are in touch with grover norquist. >> grover norquist is a conservative anti-tax gop kingmaker. mitch mcconnell said it has nothing to do with norquist and has everything to do with harry reid and playing politics. >> these bills are designed not to pass. the president is deliberately trying to create an issue here. i don't think the american people think that raising taxes on business, small business in the middle of this economic situation we find ourselves in is a particularly good idea. >> he clearly believes that americans want republicans to stand their ground. and senator reid believes just
as firmly that americans support the democratic position and need to be shown who is blocking it. when it comes to policy, the polling does support senator reid's mechanism for the jobs bill. 76% favoring taxing people who make more than $1 million a year. on the other hand on the politics of scheduling vote after hopeless vote may be on much shakier ground. 69% of americans think that congress has done nothing, repeat nothing, to address the country's problems and this is part of it. 28% blame republicans, 18 blame democrats and 18% blame both. joining me now senior political analyst david gergen and chief white house correspondent jessica yellin. david, i mean, democrats are being quite open about what they're doing here. they're saying, look, we're going to make republicans vote on all these pieces of the jobs proposal. if they vote it down we'll remind them of that on the campaign trail. that is kind of political game playing, is it not? >> it is political gamesmanship. and most democrats will tell you
that privately. right from the beginning, this jobs bill, while democrats especially in the white house believe it would help was designed to be more of a political document than a governing document because the president asked that it all be paid for through higher taxes knowing full well that republicans would refuse. and ordinarily, anderson, if you want to have a serious governing document, you put forward your proposal and you invite the other side to put forward theirs and you sit down and compromise and see if you can reach an agreement as they did with the very messy process around the debt ceiling. they've chosen this other path. they want to make points. they want to blame the republicans for high unemployment. this is all about setting up an argument next november that it's the republicans that refuse to go along. but in terms of gamesmanship, anderson, both sides have played this. republicans earlier this year passed the ryan plan in the house knowing full well it wasn't going anywhere in the
senate. they wanted to win an argument about entitlement reform and cutting deficits. >> jessica, democrats say republicans were doing it, so now we're just doing it too just to make this point and to, you know, we're now playing by their same rules. that's what i'm hearing from a lot of democrats. >> sure. the reality is this is what parties do in an election year. the majority forces the minority to take unpopular votes. does that lead to us a bright new tomorrow? no. but that's how this town sometimes works. i'll make two points. one is, anderson, that it's true that the white house would be happy if some elements of this plan would pass because it would probably at least alleviate unemployment in the short term which would help the president in the election year. they do think there are two pieces that will pass. the payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance. but beyond that, it is a political game. what they're trying to do is point out that the republicans are opposing these very, very popular elements of this plan, and then hold their feet to the
fire because what is the president's other alternative in a terrible, terrible economy, he has to drive a campaign message, this is what he can do under the current circumstances. >> other than those two items that jessica mentioned, it doesn't seem that there is much room for compromise. it just seems like a stalemate. >> there is talk among republicans about trying to pass a piece of legislation that would repatriate the earnings that corporations have earned overseas but they're not bringing back home because tax rates are so high here on corporate earnings. and republicans might be willing to cut a deal to do more on the jobs plan if the democrats would go along with the repatriation argument. "the new york times" editorialized against repatriation for several reasons. there is still some bargaining. they did get the trade bills through. the president doesn't like to mention that. but he wouldn't have won those trade bills without republicans passing the votes. but the last point, anderson, is this.
the president is really playing -- and jessica knows this better than i do -- the president's on a dual track policy. on one hand trying to set up all the instruction and blaming republicans for stopping things, but he's using the executive power of the presidency to try to get some positive things done as he did on housing and refinancing housing. both of those are trying to make political points. these guys, they're standing in the way. they're stopping all the progress. if it weren't for them, we'd have the unemployment rate down, meanwhile, i'm fighting for you back home. bill clinton did this back in the '90s. it worked well for him as a democrat. >> in terms of the timetable and the president does not have an indefinite period of time to define himself as the person who's going to turn the economy around. voters are casting votes in a little more than a year from now. >> you're exactly right and this is something that a lot of us miss. this is his moment right now before the republicans pick a nominee. the president has to try to persuade americans now that he has a plan to fix the economy, that he has a vision for the
future that can give voters hope. david made the point. he's pitching his jobs bill saying he has this vision for the future. and that if the congress doesn't pass it, then most of the campaign strategy is to run against that broken system that he's arguing that he has tried to fix. he'll run against washington, but at the same time, as david makes the point, he's also using his executive power to do whatever he can to show that he is trying every day in different ways to work on the economy. now, republican pollsters i talked to say that strategy won't work. they relish the opportunity to run against it because they argue a sitting president can't run against the government he heads. the president's team believes differently. >> jessica, david gergen, thank you very much. coming up new video about moammar gadhafi's final moments. new questions about how he died, what an autopsy showed, and when he'll be buried. when they're going to take him out of that meat locker he's currently in. next. a new piece of the puzzle in the search for missing lisa irwin. surveillance video from the night she was last seen in her crib.
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libyan officials say that moammar gadhafi will likely be buried tomorrow. the news came today the same day as 53 bodies believed to be gadhafi's supporters were found in a hotel in sirte. a hotel under the control of anti-gadhafi fighters. that's according to human rights watch. new video of gadhafi's final moments raise new questions about his death.
the video is right after he was pulled from a drainage ditch in sirte. the images you are about to see are graphic. [ screaming moammar ] [ gunfire ] >> the autopsy on gadhafi has been done. the chief pathologist says he died of a gunshot wound to the head. amateur video purports to show fighters praising the man they say killed gadhafi. the man holding the handgun in this video. we cannot confirm that that is the man that pulled the trigger. and in fact there are many
questions remaining about the circumstances of gadhafi's death. i spoke with international correspondent dan rivers who was there. so dan, this latest video, it offers even clearer insight into gadhafi's final moments. if there was any doubt left after what we saw last week, this seems to definitively contradict the libyan government's claim that gadhafi was killed in crossfire. >> reporter: it does, yeah. i mean, there is just more and more evidence emerging every day that contradicts the official accounts that he was killed in the crossfire. i even spoke to another person who claims to have witnessed his execution today when we were watching people queue up to see his body. and i asked why they executed him. they said they didn't want people to get killed -- pro gadhafi people coming in to rescue gadhafi and cause even more fighting. that's why they decided to execute him. and i have no idea if the guy is telling the truth. you put it together with the
videos that are coming out and the other circumstantial evidence, especially with the son who you see in the video clearly captured, clearly not with life threatening injuries, then suddenly he winds up with eight bullets in him. it is hard to explain how that happened. that hasn't been explained properly yet by the transitional government here. >> there are those who say, why does it matter. it doesn't matter other than for the historical record. >> reporter: well, i think it matters because it sets the whole tone of this government and the rule of law and their attitude towards human rights and to justice and to finding out what happened in the past. i think there was a great hope here that the brutality of the gadhafi regime would be left behind, and they would move to something new, which respected human rights and respected the rule of law and this has gotten them off on a very bad footing, people think. >> there's a claim tonight by the libya government that gadhafi's son saif al islam is
trying to escape libya on a fake passport. do we know is that true and do we have any information? >> reporter: we've had one ntc source suggesting the same thing to us. frankly, we don't know. i don't think anyone knows. they've had reports of him being captured before, which have been wrong. we were getting reports earlier in the week that he was surrounded, his convoy was surrounded. that apparently didn't turn out to be true. that he's in hospital. i think we have to be pretty skeptical with this. but having said that, the other family members have flown to algeria and niger, so i think it's possible that he could try and do the same thing. >> amazing to me that they hadn't tried to get out before this. you've actually been with gadhafi's corpse in that meat locker where it's being kept. how long is it going to be kept there? is this becoming a tourist attraction?
>> it is becoming a very macabre tourist attraction. i get the impression that they are preparing to do something with the body. we were there today. and they were clearly trying to close down that kind of show for the public. unsuccessfully. they kept trying to close the gate, then more people would turn up and there would be a bit of a scene as they argued and persuaded the guards to let them in. but they're clearly trying to end this now. there are various reports and some sources suggesting he'll be buried tonight or tomorrow out in the desert possibly being taken, the body, by helicopter to a very remote spot. the last thing they want is for his grave to turn into a shrine for pro-gadhafi loyalists. but frankly, it's not the burial that is the issue. it's the manner in which he died. >> it's all remarkable. dan rivers, appreciate it. let's check in with other stories we're following, susan hendricks. >> anderson, in turkey rescuers are using heavy machinery,
shovels, even their hands tonight in a desperate search for survivors of sunday's devastating earthquake. at least 279 people are now confirmed dead and another 1300 injured. the 7.2 quake hit sunday afternoon wiping out nearly 1,000 buildings. in kenya, at least one person is dead after an explosion in a crowded bus station in downtown nairobi. it happened during rush hour just a few blocks from the site of a separate blast at a nightclub that injured 12 this morning. wikileaks says that it's suspending publication to raise money to stay afloat. bank of america, visa and other financial firms have blocked payments to the controversial website which relies on donations. as a result wikileaks has lost 95% of its revenue according to founder julian assange. hurricane rina is now gaining strength. now a category 1, it could hit category 3 within the next 48 hours.
currently lumbering up the coast of mexico, rina is expected to make landfall in the yucatan peninsula later this week. on the west coast, reports say up to 20 million tons of trash washed out to sea by that tsunami in japan last march are heading our way to the west coast. researchers say the debris, everything from furniture to fishing boats could hit the u.s. in the next three years. >> wow. that's crazy. susan, thanks. still ahead in crime and punishment tonight, baby lisa irwin. surveillance video capturing a stranger roaming the streets the night she disappeared. are police any closer to finding her? does this video really mean anything? also the defense calls in first witnesses in the michael jackson death trial. at least a dozen people are expected to testify in conrad murray's behalf.
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crime and punishment in missouri tonight. a new clue in the search for lisa irwin. surveillance video taken the night she disappeared. the grainy video from a gas station less than two miles from the irwin home shows someone walking along the wooded road shortly before the baby's parents reported her missing. an unusual sight according to the gas station manager. the police aren't any closer to explaining how the little girl disappeared or where she is today. sandra endo reports.
>> reporter: exactly three weeks ago on october 4th, then-10-month-old lisa irwin disappeared. her father jeremy irwin says he came home from his night shift at 4:00 in the morning to a parent's worst nightmare. >> the front door was unlocked. most of the lights were on in the house. and the window in the front was open. and that's when we realized she was gone. >> reporter: less than 12 hours earlier on october 3rd at around 5 clock p.m. this surveillance video shows mother deborah bradley grocery shopping without the baby, buying a box of wine and other items. she told investigators she went home, put the baby to sleep and went out on the stoop to drink the wine with a neighbor. she admitted this on the "today" show. >> were you drinking that night? >> yes. >> how much? >> enough to be drunk. >> reporter: she first told investigators the last time she saw lisa was at 10:30 october 3rd. then a week later she changed her story and said she put the
baby to sleep at 6:30 before drinking. bradley says when she went to sleep the lights were off in her home. the next thing she knew the baby was missing. >> please, please, please call the tips hot line. if you know where she's at. then if you have her, please just take her somewhere safe. no questions asked. >> she's done the best she can to do all she can to tell the investigators what they need to know. and as a result of that, it's portrayed her in a light that isn't as favorable. >> reporter: is she being open and honest with them now? because some reports we're hearing from the other side is that she isn't cooperating. >> this family has cooperated in every way they could possibly cooperate. >> reporter: here's an inside look at the irwin home obtained by abc news. it appears to show baby lisa's crib and the box of wine bradley drank that night. it also shows the bedroom where,
on october 17th, two weeks after lisa went missing, police say a cadaver dog made a positive hit for a dead body on the floor near the bed. two days after that, police searched the home and took evidence including a comforter, some clothes, a toy and rolls of tape, but no evidence of the baby. >> it really just takes the one right nugget of information to kick this thing off in high gear, and that's what we're still looking and waiting for. >> reporter: police say three people have come forward claiming they saw a man walking in the dark on the street carrying a baby in a diaper the night of irwin's disappearance. authorities are looking at this surveillance video from a gas station less than a mile and a half from the irwin home. it shows an unidentified person walking along the street at around 2:15 the morning lisa vanished from her crib. officials say there are still no suspects, and they're not ruling out anything in the search. sandra endo, cnn, kansas city, missouri. >> bill stanton is a private investigator working with the irwin legal team.
he joins us now. you have this new surveillance tape of a person walking near a gas station the night that baby lisa went missing. does it really help at all? >> it's interesting, but the answer is no. the interesting part is it works with the timeline. everything that's laid out. it also coincides with the three witnesses that saw someone that they believe was carrying a baby, an infant in their arms at that time. i find that highly unusual and interesting that three separate witnesses all corroborate the same thing. and if you look at the linear timeline and trail leading from the house to the gas station, it kind of makes you tilt your head and think about it. >> what about this positive hit for the scent of a body that was found by a cadaver dog that was found in the home. you say that doesn't fit with the timeline, why? >> i'm never going to speak
against the kc pd or the fbi. but there are false positives. the reason why i say it doesn't fall in with the timeline, is because how long -- one would have to believe that deborah murdered her by accident killed her child. and that would have to be done right with the children right there, and there's no evidence that they saw anything or heard anything. and how long was that child expired? you know, how long does the body have to be there for the dog to do a hit? it is one second after a person dies? no. from my information, it takes a little longer than that. and that's why it doesn't fit in with the timeline as i see it. now maybe the kc pd knows something i don't and they're doing a fine job, but until i hear more, i still think the assailant, the perpetrator came from outside the home. >> you said they're doing a fine job. there has been some harsh criticism of the kansas city police department by the family's lawyers. do you find any fault with their investigation? >> no. i'll never say anything against them. they do -- let's face it. they do a thankless job.
and i think they're heroes. the true bad guy -- we have to keep focus. the true bad guy is the person or persons that has done this to this child. and i do believe the child is out there alive. and that's why there's a $100,000 reward. and i want to keep focus that that baby is still out there. >> do you have any theories or beliefs on what may have occurred? >> i absolutely have theories, but anderson, i do not want to interfere with the investigation. i feel all hands on deck, hands off that investigation and i don't want to muddy the waters. they have a tough enough job. >> fair enough on that. bill stanton, thank you. >> thank you. more crime and punishment ahead, after dozens of witnesses, graphic autopsy photos, and dramatic audiotape, the prosecution has rested. now it's conrad murray's turn. we'll take a look at what his defense may hinge on. all you halloween haters, you think courtney stodden is too sexy for the pumpkin patch? oh, no. eces.
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will be giving awayte. passafree copies of the alcoholism & addiction cure. to get yours, go to ssagesmalibubook.com. another crime and punishment report. the prosecution rested its case in the michael jackson death trial. lawyers for conrad murray began calling their first witnesses. the trial is in its fourth week. closing arguments could come as early as friday. three dozen witnesses testified for the prosecution. the defense is expected to call more than a dozen witnesses to challenge the state's case. randi kaye has details now. >> reporter: anderson, for the first time we heard from dr.
alan metzger, an internist who met michael jackson about 15 or 20 years ago. he told the jury in court that he had seen jackson a few times in the last decade or so to discuss his health. they talked about nutrition and the excitement and fear that jackson apparently had about his upcoming concert tour. but the defense zeroed in on a conversation that dr. metzger had with michael jackson on april 18th, 2009, just four months before he died. listen. >> did he mention to you any specific medicine that he hoped to obtain for these sleep issues? >> he asked me about intravenous sleep medicine. >> did he happen to mention the name of this medicine? >> i think he used the word juice. i don't think i heard the word of a specific medication. >> now, the defense clearly was trying to show that jackson had requested iv anesthetic from other doctors, not just dr.
conrad murray, but here's the problem for the defense. dr. metzger says he never gave jackson propofol or any other intravenous sleep medication. the prosecution jumped on that. listen to this. >> when michael jackson inquired about intravenous sleep medication, you explained to him that that was dangerous, life threatening and should not be done outside of a hospital, correct? >> that's correct. >> did you ever give michael jackson propofol? >> never. >> is there any amount of money that you would have -- that would have convinced him to give him intravenous propofol in his house? >> absolutely not. >> so a nurse who treated jackson also took the stand today. what part of her testimony had the biggest impact? >> well, we're talking about nurse practitioner sherrylin lee. she met michael jackson just about six months before he died. he died in june of that year. she testified that he told her
he was having trouble sleeping. so she got him to try some natural remedies including some shakes. but in april of '09 he told her that they just weren't working. she suggested sleep studies. so find out why he wasn't sleeping. but they never got to that in the end. her testimony today was brief. it will continue tomorrow. where she's sure to be asked about what she's told cnn in numerous interviews that michael jackson had asked her about diprivan, which is another name for propofol, the powerful anesthetic that the medical examiner says killed michael jackson. jackson had told her that he just wanted to be, quote, knocked out. and she told him, quote, if you take this, you might not wake up. we'll hear more from her tomorrow. but again this is the defense trying to show that jackson did have a sleeping disorder, he was looking for this drug. but the problem is the people they're putting on the stand to show that also refused to give him the propofol unlike dr. conrad murray. >> i mean, is it possible he's going to take the stand, murray? >> it doesn't seem that way.
i mean, they expect they could wrap up their case, the defense's case on thursday. as of now there is absolutely no indication that they're going to put conrad murray on the stand. >> yeah, that's obviously not something the defense would want to do. randi, appreciate it. the ridiculist just ahead. first susan hendricks joins us with a 360 news bulletin. anderson, an iranian man accused of trying to assassinate saudi arabia's ambassador to the united states was before a judge. his plan to kill al jubeir on u.s. soil was exposed. a second man involved in the plot remains at large. there is an overhaul of a federal mortgage refinancing program in the works now. may help you. under the new rules homeowners who are current in their mortgage payments will qualify for new loans at today's low rates no matter how far the value of their homes has fallen. first lady michelle obama is a budding author, coming out with a book called american grown. it's all about helping gardening and eating.
the book goes on sale next april. proceeds will go to charity. now our beat 360 viewers. here's the music. tonight here it is, mitt romney in concord, new hampshire filing paperwork to get on the primary ballot. our staff winner is sam meyer. his caption mitt romney shocks new hampshire voters by maintaining his policy position that he still wants to be president. our viewer winner is lori from pennsylvania. her entry, can i use that joke at the next republican debate? lori, congrats to you. beat 360 t-shirt, yours is on the way. anderson, back to you. >> susan, thanks very much. apparently we now live in a world where you're not allowed to ride around in short shorts and stripper boots at a family friendly pumpkin patch. road trip buddy. let's put some music on.
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with her parents' blessing she married doug when she was 16. she's 17 now and they're in the process of getting a reality show. god bless them. they went out for innocent fun at a pumpkin patch yesterday. as newlyweds are wont to do. there happened to be a professional photographer there. according to radar online who took their kids to the pumpkin patch were not in the halloween spirit and for whatever reason, thought courtney and doug's pda was just inappropriate. they took issue with the way she was dressed. after several complaints, she got thrown out. poor courtney had no other choice but to walk her festive stripper boots out of there and show off her pumpkins on the side of the road. there are other photos but we can't show them on tv. let's say they show a little too much crack-o-lantern, if you will. getting thrown out of a pumpkin fach is just the latest for these two kooky kids. doug and courtney have had to face the haters ever since they announced their union. they're holding up well. here's an interview from "good
morning america" where courtney tries to eat other hen face. >> people are welcome to their opinions. that's what the world is about. if they need to feel this way, that's theirs to hold. >> what is she doing? i'm obsessed with that clip. these are just two people in love. and they get thrown out of a pumpkin patch like so much -- like trash, like rotting pumpkins. courtney likes to dress up. so what? anyone familiar with her milieu, yes, she has a milieu, knows that she turns heads. to put it another way, when she's a-walkin' all jaws be droppin'. ♪ when i'm a walking ♪ all jaws by dropping ♪ you try to be sly when i walk by ♪ ♪ it's not my fault that you can't control your guy ♪ >> oh, courtney. she's only 17. let's give her a break. courtney has her whole life ahead of her. she told radar online that she
might even go to college. take a look. >> i want to go to college and study all of doug, all of this body. and all the elements of them and what they do, and what they still do. >> where is she? what, was he hanging on a -- i'm not even sure what she means. but i don't want it in my brain. can we just hear the chorus of the song where she's on the boat with the poor dog she's dyed pink ♪ ♪ don't put it on me, girl ♪ don't put me on me girl ♪ don't put it on me girl ♪ don't >> there's a lot of head room in that shot. that music video has 2.9 million hits on youtube, that's right, the internet. it's a pumpkin patch that's impossible to get thrown out of. courtney hasn't had it easy. she's constantly had to defend her marriage, her wardrobe choices, even her body parts. >> my breasts are real. everything about me is real. my hair is real, my teeth are real, my eyelashes are real. my breasts are totally real. >> oh, my god, with a