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♪ >> wow. they're right there. >> reporter: but outside of sanctuaries like this one, sharks remain at risk. >> kaj larsen's full report hunting down sharks, part of this weekend's "cnn presents," sunday night at:00 eastern. "cnn newsroom" continues right now with randi kaye who's in l.a. thank you, hello, everyone. troubles in greece have dragged down markets around the world for months now. it is only right that a long-awaited euro break-through should send off a rally. there you have it, blue chips are soaring on wall street as they did in europe and asia when bleary eyed eu leaders announced a deal to contain the greek crisis. they persuaded banks and other holders of greek eurobonds to write off half of what they're owed. in business we know that's a 50% haircut and it saves greece 100 billion euros.
they also agreed to boost the eu bailout fund to a trillion euros, details still pretty vague. they're requiring european banks to keep more cash reserves as a cushion against losses. so why should americans care? well i mentioned stocks but that is just the start. my colleague alison kosik has a whole lot more from the new york stock exchange. first, catch us up on the markets, both here and abroad. >> okay. randi, first stocks are at some of their best levels of the session, the dow up 293 points. if you look at this month as a whole, it is shaping up to be among the best ever. the dow is up more than 1,200 points so far for the year and the strongest gains today actually came from overseas, from europe. in paris we saw the paris index rise 6%. in frankfurt we saw a rise of 5%. france and germany have been financing much of the bailouts in europe and you're seeing this rally because this deal winds up sharing the burden, kind of
sharing the pain. they're not going to be the only ones contributing to greece's rescue. here in the u.s. we're seeing banking sector which has really been hammered over the past several months, leading the rally for u.s. stocks. bank of america, morgan stanley, jpmorgan, those shares up 7% to 15%. this deal is instilling confidence and stability not only in the banks but in the marketplace as a whole. this debt deal minimizes the danger of default and lessens the severity of a possible recession in europe. this teal also forces europe and its banks to set more cash aside in case of another shock. you're seeing more confidence boosted over there as well, randi. >> so this agreement really the end of the euro nightmare or is this just buying us some time here? >> you know what? if you ask anybody they're going toob little bit skeptical at this point because they really want to see the little minutia, the little details. you know, this plan that
european leaders came up with overnight is right now a broad outline and now they have to deal with the fine print and actually implement it an move forward. also there are questions will it be enough. the bailout fund was boosted do $1 trillion but the fact remains that italy has a $2.5 trillion in outstanding debt. so the question is will that bailout fund be enough to mop up italy's debt if it gets into more trouble. but at this point you're seeing this plan that everybody has been waiting for for 21 months finally, at least, being signed on the dotted line. randi? >> besides the stocks, the u.s. and european economies are pretty intertwined. >> oh, yeah. you've heard that old saying where if one country has a cold, another country starts to sneeze. and we are all interconnected and when you think of us and europe, we do an awful lot of trading with europe. the brookings institute says $400 billion of u.s. exports last year went there so if europe went into a recession because it couldn't get a handle on its debt, two mean that they
would lie less stuff from the u.s. and that would wind up hurting us in manufacturing, in jobs here in the u.s. it would also hurt our businesses an our banks that invest heavily in the eu. we invest almost $3 trillion in loans there. so, yes, everybody breathing a sigh of relief that this plan is finally in place. >> nobody's sneezing, that's good news. thank you very much. appreciate that. here's some more encouraging economic news we want to tell you about. u.s. economic growth nearly doubled in the past three months with the gross domestic product of 2.5%. the gdp, the broadest measure of the country's economic health, has gone up considerably since the start of the year. and stronger spending by consumers is behind the third quarter spike but we still have a ways to go before we achieve stability. economists say it typically takes 3% growth or more to spur businesses to start hiring again. a show of solidarity from coast to coast as the occupy movement intensifies again. more protests in new york today after a march turned into
clashes with police last night. at least ten people were arrested in new york yesterday. >> what happened? what happened? >> he got shot! >> the new york march meant to show support for this iraq war vet, scott olson, the former marine's skull was fractured after he was allegedly shot in the head with a police projectile at a protest in oakland, california. the united nations security council voted unanimously today to end nato military operations in libya effective this sunday. as the conflict ends, libya's transitional leaders say they will prosecute whoever kill moammar gadhafi. the transitional council has been under intense pressure to investigate the circumstances surrounding the former leader's death. initially leaders said he was killed in the cross fire after being pulled from a drainage pipe. but video detailing gadhafi's final moments shows he was alive when captured. it looks like john edwards' campaign finance case will go to trial. our affiliate news 14 carolina
reports a judge has denied a move to dismiss charges against the former presidential candidate and his trial is set for january. edwards is accused of using unreported campaign money to cover up his affair with former campaign videographer rielle hunter. bernie madoff's wife says she and her husband endured threats so enbearable they tried to commit suicide. in an yum coming interview, she says they took a combination of pills in 2008 and went to sleep expecting not to wake up again. >> i don't know whose idea it was, but we decided to kill ourselves because it was so horrendous what was happening. we had terrible phone calls. hate mail. just beyond anything. and i said i can't -- i just can't go on anymore. >> she said she doesn't remember how many pills they took but she said she's happy they woke up.
two weeks earlier bernie madoff confessed to running a $50 billion ponzi scheme, the largest in u.s. history. seaworld gets sue, not by a customer or a trainer, nope. instead, by five orca whales. do animals have the same rights as people? the answer may not be as simple as you think. but first a shout out to a great grandmother who's pretty feisty and fearless. rose just happened to be walking home to her retirement community last week when she spotted a fire, started by a cigarette. >> god put me here. god made me come down at that time and find it. >> she grabbed flour and water to try to douse it until firefighters got there. and for taking that quick action, rose, you are today's rock star.
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definition, slaves. the last part is the crux of their case. peta claims these whales enjoy the same constitutional protection against slavery that people do. yesterday on the show we spoke to a former head trainer at seaworld who called the lawsuit crazy and ridiculous. today we wanted to bring in the other side. joining me, general counsel for peta and marine mammal specialist richard o. berry. thank you both for being here. obviously this is an important issue and they close to both of your hearts. pivotal argument here is that these killer whales have the same rights, same constitutional rights as americans but whk look at the 13th amendment it doesn't specify humans. do you think it is -- was supposed to be implicit? do you think that this covers animals and orcas sh. >> the lawsuit which people can see at our website peta dot korg is based on the plain language of the 13th amendment which prohibits the condition of slavery, without reference to a class of victims and without, as you said, reference to the use of the word "person."
by any definition, as you talked about earlier, these orcas are enslaved. denied everything natural to them. and the beauty of our constitution is that it is a living document and we think the time is right for this lawsuit and it is applicable from the plain language of the text. >> richard, obviously you have followed these animals for quite some time. peta's saying that the orcas should be moved to a more natural environment. what would that environment be and how different would it be from the tanks they are in now? >> the tanks they are in now are very abusive. they can be successfully transferred to a natural sea pen where they can experience the natural rhythms of the sea and the tides and the currents and be retired and receive birth control. there's no reason for a dolphin to be born in captivity. and the orca is the largest dolphin. if you go to the zoo and just look at the snake exhibit, the
snake is an animal with a very small brain, cold blooded creature. but it's given more consideration than the orcas at seaworld. the snake has some tree limbs to climb on, he's got grass, it's got some dirt, it's got rocks to get under and hide from. but if the go to shamu stadium, it's just a box. >> yesterday a trainer from seaworld had some harsh words for seaworld and harsh words for peta. let's listen. >> it really does beg the question of why does peta do something like this? and it shows how ridiculous they are. i mean what's next? are we going to say that animals have -- they have the same rights as people, are we going to, if a killer whale in the wild kills a seal, are we going to bring them up on murder charges next? i mean this is just craziness. >> jeff, what's your reaction to
that? >> that's exactly what you'd expect to hear. but the lawsuit is based again on the plain language of the 13th amendment. slavery is slavery regardless of the spooe species of the slave. >> i want to read you a portion of the statement from seaworld saying seaworld is among the world's most respected zoological institutions. there is no higher priority than the welfare of the animals entrusted to our care. no facilities sets higher standards in veterinary care and enrichment than seaworld. having these animals serves and an invaluable educational purpose. you've worked with dolphins, both in captivity and in the wild. is there an educational purpose here? does that outweigh what's happening to them? >> no. that's the big lie, that somehow these stupid dolphin tricks translate into conservation. you only have to look at japan to see that. smoking gun. there are 50 dolphinariums in
japan. japan is the size of california. 50 of them. 127 million people live there. they've all seen the show. they've all been educated. yet we have the largest slaughter of dolphins going on right under their nose and they don't do anything about it. that's one of the reasons i left that industry is, i got tired of telling that lie, like that is doing. that is a pr hack. he makes a lot of money from these captive dolphins. >> i want to ask you about where things stand globally. one of the reasons it caught our attention is because of what may be happening to animals globally. where does it stand in terms of increase or decrease in cap tint for them? >> here in the united states the capture stopped about 20 years ago because we disrupted the captures and they don't want cnn there when the captures are taking place and we had cnn there when the captures took place 20 years ago. so a lot of these seaworld trainers have moved offshore,
capturing dolphins, trying to capture them in the solomon islands, sending them from there to casinos in dubai, casinos in singapore. i just came from there. resorts world all ordered -- these were all ex-seaworld trainers. why doesn't seaworld police their own industry an stop all of these captures. if it is truly educational, they themselves aren't educated on this issue. >> richard, jeff, appreciate it. keep us up to date on what's happening with the lawsuit. thank you. a fight between the environment and the economy. how the proposed keystone pipeline is digging up problems from canada to texas. but first, a look at the top videos on cnn.com. ♪
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it is 1,700 miles long on paper anyway, and three feet wide. it would bisect the nation already split between economic hopes and environmental fears. as big and controversial as it is, the proposed keystone excel oil pipeline is "undercovered" connect the oil sands of california with the oil refineries of southeast texas. in between are millions of acres of farms, forests, rivers and streams which no one wants to see covered in oil. but there are also millions of americans who need jobs and
transcanada, the project's owner, says keystone will put 20,000 americans to work. you may have seen pictures of the anti-pipeline protests. this had one got darryl hannah arrested outside the white house. if president obama missed them, he certainly knows that there is a backlash. here he is yesterday in denver trying to talk student loans. >> all right. thank you, guys. we're looking at it right now. no decision has been made and i know your deep concern about it so we will address it. >> since the pipeline would cross u.s. borders, addressing it is up to hillary clinton. state department gets the final say after a series of public hearings and an environmental impact study. that pipeline opponents say was fixed. that's because transcanada pick the firm and a transcanada lobbyist is a former campaign aide to clinton. see how this works? i'm joined by senior writer for
cnnmoney.com, steve hargrave. steve, this story certainly isn't "undercovered" by you. what would the pipeline mean for u.s. imports? >> it would mean a lot of new oil, doubling imports coming from canada's oil sands into the u.s. right now we consume about 1 million barrels a day. pipeline would add 700,000 to that so it is a lot of oil. >> in terms of environmental concerns, these concerns go beyond the potential leaks in a pipeline. right? we're talking about something called tar san here. can you shed some light on that? >> yeah, correct. the oil comes from -- in alberta they have oil sands or tar sands and it is a heavier form of oil and it is basically like a tar mixed with a sand. in order to extract it you either have to mine it like a big open pit mine, or you have to use traditional oil drilling techniques but with the addition of heat. so what it all means is that
they're a little bit dirtier than a traditional form of oil. estimates are that they produce anywhere from 5% to 3% more greenhouse gases on a well-to-wheel basis than traditional oil does. so that's what has a lot of people concern. they don't like the additional pollution that would be associated with expanding production from these oil sands. >> and i'm sure that in your reporting you've probably talked with many analysts about this. do they think that this pipeline will get u.s. approval? >> well, yeah. ultimately it is an election year and it will create a lot of jobs and it will be a lot of money and americans are concerned about energy, they're concern about energy independence, they're concerned about high gasoline prices. so to vote -- to limit the amount of oil coming in to this country especially coming into it from a place like canada would be a very difficult thing for obama to do while facing what's going to be a tough re-election.
so most analysts, yes, they do expect it will be built. >> when will we have that final decision, do you think? >> well, it is a long process. the state department just finished up some public hearings on it. they have a few more hearings to do. i think a decision is expected by the end of the year. >> all right, steve hargraves, appreciate your reporting on that, what we think is an "undercovered" issue. thank you. conrad murray brought to tears in court, but can michael jackson's doctor wipe away the past and clear his name in the jury's eyes? today the defense's star witness takes the stand. but first, on this day in 1997, people around the world woke up to a tanking stock market. the downturn started in asia and quickly spread across the globe. trading was halted in the u.s. and when it was all over the dow dropped 554 points. at the time it was the biggest point loss ever and this is "this shame in history."
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prosecutors in the michael jackson death trial showed off their star witness last week. now the defense for dr. conrad murray gets to show theirs off today. that witness is dr. paul white who's set to take the stand some time this afternoon. murray's attorneys hope that he'll help them prove their theory that jackson self-administered the powerful anesthetic propofol believed to have killed him. but to do that dr. white hat to be more convincing on the stand than his former friend and colleague, dr. steven schafer. schafer, the prosecution's
expert witness, testified last week that jackson could not have self-administered propofol and that dr. murray is directly responsible for the singer's death. with just a day, maybe two, left in the trial before it goes to the jury, it basically boils down to this -- two experts, two doctors, two former friends. whose testimony will jurors believe? joining me now, former jackson defense attorney, thomas mesereau. let's talk about dr. white coming on the stand today. this is critical obviously for the defense. what does he need to say? >> well, he's a very renowned expert which surprises me that the defense got someone with his credentials. i think from the defense point of view, they have decided, in my opinion, that they can't refute the fact that dr. murray was grossly negligent in many, many areas. what they're trying to refute is that his gross negligence caused the death or that you can prove it caused it beyond a reasonable doubt. they're trying to show that michael was addicted, that he was desperate, that he knew what
he was doing, that he consulted other doctors, that he was not sharing information from one doctor to another, and that he was perfectly capable of causing his own death in that room that evening. >> right now on the stand we've been hearing from for a while today, dr. robert waldman, a drug addiction specialist. is that to show how desperate michael jackson may have done this to himself? >> the defense is trying to throw a lot of mud at michael jackson trying to make it look expert but it is mud slinging. they're trying to show he was addicted to demerol and other drugs, that his life was consumed with prescription medications. they're trying to just defeat this idea that dr. murray's actions directly in a proven way caused his death. >> would there still be negligence if the prosecution can prove that even if michael jackson took the fatal dose himself, it was dr. murray who brought into the house and
possibly left him in the room with that iv? >> i think there's been substantial evidence that shows that, that everything he did, bring propofol into the home, not administering it properly, not having proper equipment, the way he reacted to the overdose, his lying to paramedics and police and hospital personnel, the prosecution is saying all of this, including no record keeping -- all of this caused michael jackson's death and that dr. murray is guilty of involuntary manslaughter. >> yesterday in court the judge advised dr. murray that it was his decision and his decision only if he wanted to testify, if he wanted to take the stand. he hasn't made that decision yet. maybe he is waiting to see how well dr. white does for him on the stand but what do you think will happen there and if you were his lawyer, what would you advise him? >> well, i'm a little bit biased toward the prosecution in this case. i was michael's lead criminal defense lawyer in his criminal trial in 2005, i'm very fond of michael and very fond of the family. don't like particularly helping the defense in this case, however i would give strong consideration to it if they
think the case is sunk. i know a lot of criminal lawyers just by nature don't want to put their clients on the stand, subject them to cross examination, but in this case if they think the case is rely, truly lost and they have no chance, they might just consider it. >> rebuttal witnesses? you think we might see a couple of those? >> i think you might. i think the prosecution is very, very serious, very logical in the way they're conducting this case and i think you may see one or two witnesses to refute what the defense has said. >> i know you'll be watching today to see what dr. white does. we'll be there along with you. thank you, tom. nice to see you. mitt romney is looking strong in the polls but does he have the muscle to clench the nomination for president? and rick perry driving the anti-romney train. is he on the right track or will his move just help pr? it is all "fair game" and it is next. but first, political junkies, let's test your knowledge. since gerald ford ran in 1976 who is the only gop candidate to win the presidential nomination on his first attempt? the answer when we come back.
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before the break we asked you a question about gop nominees. specifically, who since gerald ford is the only gop candidate to win the presidential nomination on his first attempt? the answer -- george w. bush. while he hadn't run for the presidency before, he definitely had name recognition. rick perry has had a series of uneven debate performances, and to listen to the candidate himself, the reason he fell from near the top of the polls was agreeing to participate in debates in the first place. let me read you what he said. these debates are set up for
nothing more than to tear down the candidates. if there was a mistake made, it was probably ever doing one when all they're interested in is stirring it up between the candidates. rick perry's top spokesman says that since there are too many presidential debates anyway, the governor may pass on some of them in the future. >> people are starting to think about heading to the polls. we're 60 days from votes being cast. candidates need to spend time in iowa doing those town halls, spending a lot more time with the voters who oftentimes have the best questions and president the candidates the hardest. >> so is skipping debates a good strategy for rick perry? that's "fair game." for my guest today, republican strategist karen h had anraty and maria cardona. can rick perry afford not to participate in these debates? >> he may have no other choice, quite frankly. he's the first to admit this is not his strong suit as a
candidate. he's much better at retail politics, going out there shaking hands. as your cnn poll shows, he's down to number five. he's running fifth in iowa right now. can he spend his time at debates where is he never really going to catch a break and take a lot of heat or he can basically park himself in iowa, spend his time doing retail politicking. >> yeah. maria, is this really about the calendar and about getting out there and shaking hands with voters or is this just really about performance? >> it's completely 100% about performance, randi. i guarantee you that if perry had done well in his performances up to date in the debates, he would be salivating to go to the next one and the next one after that. so it is absolutely all about performance. but i agree with karen in one respect, which is perry does have enough money to get his message out in a form that is not a debate. he's got a lot of money to go up with scathing ads against romney. he's got a lot of money for a ground game and infrastructure
and all of these key early states. but i think it is risky to not be there. and in fact what i think he should be investing in is a great opposition researcher who can hand him the quotes and the dates where mitt romney has flip-flopped on every major issue that we are talking about in this campaign. that's where i think his major flaw has been. he's got a lot of material against mitt romney, major flip-flopper and he's just not using it. >> yeah, but karen, when it comes down to debating, this is not like it is the first time rick perry has debated. he's been doing this in texas. why didn't they maybe work on this with him a bit? >> i think first of all, i don't think he's ever faced an opponent in texas like he's faced in mitt romney on the national stage. i think debating kay bailey hutchison and some of these other lesser-known candidates in texas where he was a well known commodity is much different than announcing himself to a national
audience and with extraordinarily high expectations for that first debate. he's now really lowering the expectations. there are seven more debates scheduled throughout november and december. you know, so he's already committed to do an early november debate in michigan. the question is, is it worth -- this campaign is going to have to make a really calculated decision here, is he going to lose more by making -- by debating more or does he lose more by the criticism he'll take in the media by not debating. >> randi, if you recall, he actually didn't debate during his gubernatorial races. he actually refused to debate kay bailey shuhutchison. so he and his staff knows very well this is not his strong suit. >> thank you both very much, thanks for joining us today. coming up in "globe
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one week after the death of moammar gadhafi, the nato mission in libya is ending. the u.n. security council just adopted a resolution withdrawing its mandate for military intervention. with the end of the conflict comes new questions over who is to blame for massers can around sirte and the libyan transitional government's lack of response. but before we go in-depth, i must warn you what you are about to see may be disturbing. there are some graphic images here. here's dan rivers. >> reporter: as the dust settles on the libyan conflict, there are increasing questions about the atrocities that appear to have been perpetrated by militia loyal to the transitional government. these are just some of the bodies found around moammar
gadhafi's convoy. some were killed in a battle as the former dictator tried to flee, but some appear to have been executed as prisoners contrary to the geneva conventions. plenty of evidence around here of other bodies here, some of which human rights watch claim were also executed. they say there are 95 bodies in this area and at least ten of them have been shot at point-blank range. we witnessed this during the battle for sirte. piles of bodies with their hands bound behind their backs, shod through the head with no clear sense of who they were or who shot them. the bodies lay here for days without any revolutionary forces attempting to bury them. but now human rights watch investigator peter bukat says he's found clear evidence some of the victims were gadhafi officials and he's concerned they may have been executed by revolutionary forces. this is the aftermath of a massacre at a hotel in sirte.
53 bodies with evidence on the walls that this hotel was occupied by revolutionary brigades before the people were killed. >> we're very disappointed that the ntc still hasn't sent anybody down to sirte to investigate, and their failure to investigate risks invoking the jurisdiction of the international criminal court. this is a war crime. >> reporter: the transitional government has promised to bring those responsible to justice. >> translator: i assure you that we will not turn a blind eye or forgive any crime that might have been committed during this conflict. >> reporter: but the true scale of the killing in sirte is only now becoming clear. some 300 bodies have been found so far with no one from the transitional government attempting to gather evidence before the bodies are removed. dan rivers, cnn, tripoli. >> incredibly difficult story to report. our thanks to dan rivers. now to other stories that we are following in globe trekking. we told you about our first stop
known as siam until 1939, twice the size of wyoming. these days it is dealing with epic deadly flooding. where are we? thailand. that's where floodwaters continue to slowly move towards the capital, bangkok is being evacuated. the city is using the first day of a five-day holiday to get people out of harm's way. the thai prime minister says most of the city was expected to be flooded by today but luckily holding walls are keeping back the water. however, he says that's only temporary. the massive flood caused by heavy monsoon rains has affected more than 9 million people and killed at least 373. now to turkey where rescue teams continue to find survivors and bodies after sunday's 7.2 quake. the death toll now 534. thousands have been injured and many are now homeless spending nights in the freezing cold. turkey's asking for tents and prefabricated housing. britain is offering to provide emergency tents for more than 5,000 people. you can help as well. for information jut go to
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welcome back. every day on this show we call out someone who, quite frankly, has screwed up. today, it is the mother an uncle of a boy from minnesota. the boy we're talking about is named antoine willis. here's the back story first. antoine suffered second and third degree burns after his mother's boyfriend set him on fire. he is still recovering.
our affiliate carol levin reports antoine's uncle set up an account to pay for medical bills and the cash poured in. strangers donated about $4,000 to help this boy. it seemed like his mom an uncle were going to see him through all of this. but all they saw, it turns out, were dollar signs. antoine's mom, jodi stewart, and his uncle, jeffrey stewart, are charged with stealing about $2,500 from the fund set up to help antoine recover. they reportedly spent than money on gambling and drugs. police figured it out using deposit tickets and bank surveillance video as well. so jodi stewart, let me say this -- you are not going to win the mother of the year award this year, this is for sure. not a chance. stealing from your own son after what he has suffered. for that, jodi and jeffrey stewart, it is time for you both to face the music. plk ♪'s a cold hearted snake ♪ look into his eyes
let's take a closer look at stories making headlines across the country. let's to go zanesville, ohio where the widow of the man who released dozens of wild animals from his refuge before he killed himself is getting the six surviving animals back. it could happen this afternoon. we want to warn you, some of the video you're about to see may be tough to watch. of the 56 animals released, only
a grizzly bear, two monkies and three leopards were taken alive. this is video from our affiliate ewes. they had hoped she would leave the animals in their care. for more on this, wildlife expert jack hanna will join us in 90 minutes. to steubenville, ohio, the fbi is now on the case of amish on amish violence. in one attack, a group of member pulled a man out of his home earlier this month, health him down and cut off chunks of his beard. a man's entered into an important symbol of faith in the amish community. the sheriff says there have been a handful of cases in eastern ohio. >> what's been going on is not true amish. true amish don't act like this. they don't go around attacking people. >> five men have been arrested and charged with kidnapping and burglary. to clintonville, wisconsin, where it is lights out. to save some dough. the city is trying to come up with $357,000 in budget cuts so
it turned off 10% of the city street lights. the city administrator says it will save $7,000 a year. people who live there may not like it or think it is unsafe but the city says police will still be on patrol. and finally to cleveland, ohio. where you can find some of the best recipes around but not just any old recipes. these are as good as grandma's. did i mention they're from ghosts? renowned paranormal marian says she's been talking to the dead since she was just a toddler. you may not recognize her name but chances are you know the tv show based on her supernatural abilities. cbs's ghost whisperer followed the life of a woman able to communicate with ghosts. she has used her ability to get great recipes from the dearly departed. now she has compiled them in a new book, beyond delicious. the ghost whisperer's cook book. she joins us now. this sounds like a fantastic
cook book. not something many people would associate with ghosts. how did you come up with this idea to put all these recipes from beyond together? >> it was almost a fluke. i have this box of recipes that i had gotten over a 30, 35-year period. and we were talking about it this time last year with somebody and they said, gosh, why don't you just do a recipe book? and i said, i'm not a cook. i'm a ghost buster. and they said yeah, but you got the recipes. go ahead and do it and there's a great story that goes with each recipe so you know how i got it. but there's some unique resties in there. >> so did this start with one ghost? r one recipe? >> the first was bess's nut roll. and it was funny, the woman who owned the house had invited me in. it was between thanksgiving and christmas when everybody does their christmas baking. and the house smelled so good when i went to the house. and here were these nut rolls
cooling on the sink. and i got to tell you, they smelled good but they didn't look too good. so we sit down in her dining room for me to talk to the ghost. and i said, wow, you must really like to cook those. she said i give them to everybody. christmas gifts, the priest, the neighbors, and the ghost says to me, she is not a bad cook. she said, but she can't bake for a tinker's dam. whoa, okay. >> with a is the reaction from families when they see that you're getting recipes from their loved ones that have passed on? >> they ask for certain recipes. they will actually ask what was the trick to the stuffing? which was actually in the book. or, you know, grandma made these gum drop cookies. does she web the recipes? or what i am a doing wrong? don't when you know someone gives you a recipe, they always leave out one ingredient?
sometimes that's enough for a ghost to stay. so you know, it was just interesting. there are people that are reading this book that that, gosh, that was my aunt millie's recipe from 45 years ago. >> is there a favorite recipe that you have? >> i actually, i like the stuffing recipe. i thought the stuffing recipe was excellent. >> even for a nonbeliever, there's something in the cook book? go. >> of course. a recipe is a recipe. you don't have to believe in ghosts to eat. anybody can cook a recipe. >> well, i don't know about that. i've tried and failed miserably but it sounds really interesting, mary ann. we appreciate that. we look forward to checking out your book as well. very interesting stuff, the ghost whisperer's cook book, beyond delicious. thank you very much. let's talk politics. rick perry's potential debate
skipping already finding some critics. paul has much more on that. he's at the political desk in washington. hi, paul. >> reporter: i was waiting to see how you would make that transition from the previous segment to me and you did it very smoothly. i have to give you credit there. let's talk more about the texas governor. you were chatting about it earlier this hour. you had a good discussion about whether it was a good idea or a bad idea for rick perry to maybe not partake in all of those debates. but one of his arrive is weighing in on the controversy. and that is rick santorum who is pretty down there in the polls. here's what his spokesman told cnn a few minutes ago. i thought texas governors were supposed to be tough. how can governor perry expect anyone if he can trust on the obama and the democratic machine when he thinks debating his fellow republicans is too tough? that's from hogan with the santorum campaign. we've reached out to the perry campaign to see if they want to react to that trash talk but we'll leave it as it is. one other thing i want to share
with you. our brand new cnn "time" magazine orc polls in the battleground states. not the battleground states, the early primary caucus states. look at this number. we are talking about who is up and who is down. here's another good takeaway. republican voter haven't made up their mind. only 23% of voters in iowa have made up their minds. the takeaway, there's a lot of give in this. it seem like a lot of these voter of not made up their minds and more debagts even. >> more debates. we'll see who is actually present at those debates, right? >> exactly. >> if they want to get their fill of the candidates, the candidates of have to be there. >> it helps. listen, the perry campaign is saying we want to go to iowa, south carolina, new hampshire, talk to the voters directly. not go to these debates. a lot of the voters see these
debates. >> appreciate that. thank you, everyone, for watching today as always. i would love to hear what you think. you can continue the conversation with me on both facebook and twitter at randi kaye cnn. nice to be with you. now i will hand it over to brooke baldwin in atlanta. hello. let's get you caught up. rapid fire. beginning with any minute now, we are expecting half a dozen exotic animal to be released, going home with the widow of the man woos actions absolutely terrorized a town in ohio. he released dozens of animals before he killed himself. dozens were killed but six survived. now she is planning on taking these six animals with her. we are waiting for that moment from the columbus zoo. also, the columbus zoo director jack hanna has a very serious
message for her. we'll talk to him live coming up. and let's get a quick check of the big board as i glance down. take a look at that. the dow up 338 points at this hour. the reason? a logic long-awaited debt agreement in europe. we'll take you live to the stock exchange in moments. also, another amazing rescue from this earthquake rubble in turningy. according to this turkish news agency, an 18-year-old student spent nearly 100 hours in the rubble. this was an apartment complex, was. he was rushed to the hospital. amazingly, he only suffered from dehydration. the death toll now in turkey, 534. as for those injured, that sits around 2,300. and the nato mission in libya will effectively end monday. this news coming today after the u.n. security council voting to halt military operations. meanwhile, the family of moammar gadhafi is filing a war crimes
complaint again nato with the icc. the international criminal court claiming gadhafi was murdered. and do you remember the young woman in california? she was found naked, bound and hanging from a california mansion balcony? rebecca zahau was her name. her death was ruled a homicide. >> was rebecca's death a homicide? the answer is no. it was a suicide. to reach these conclusions relied in substantial measure upon the physical evidence. >> rebecca's family never bought the idea of a suicide so they had her body exhumed for a second autopsy. he has done all kinds of cases ranging from the president kennedy assassination to anna nicole smith. and it looks like john edwards will go on trial.
the judge refused to dismiss charges of violating election laws in 2008. attorneys for edwards, they had argued those charges were brought by a republican prosecutor, wanting to take down a big name democrat. also this. >> he's not allowed to come up here. does he know how to read? >> yes, your honor. >> he'd better understand. if you even dream about her and you violate my order, you will go to jail. >> those words rang true for michael lohan, the father of lindsay lohan. police arresting him after violated his probation in tampa. he jumped all the way from a third floor balcony trying to get away from police. authorities say he hurt his foot jumping from said balcony. they caught him just a short time later. and tsa pulls a screener from checking luggage, because this agent reportedly left an inappropriate note scribbled there, a suggestive note, we'll call it. a passenger found and it blogged that it had been left after a
personal i'm was found in her luggage. the tsa is apologizing and said it has zero tolerance for this kind of behavior and adds it disciplining that agent. take a look at this hidden camera surprise. the wife of staff sergeant chris reed not expecting a thing as he is waiting, she's waiting for her food, i should say. when amy reed's husband walks out with the tray -- tears, wouldn't you cry? she totally loses it. as far as she knew, he was still in afghanistan on his third deployment. amy's dad set up the whole thing at the restaurant. >> it started off with her just screaming, my gosh. then she was just shedding tears. and then everybody else was shedding tears. there wasn't a dry eye in the place. >> amy said tuesday night family nights helped her get through her husband's deployment. love that. love those stories. we are just about five minutes in. a lot to go in the next two hours including this.
a deadly turf war is he congratulating between hell's angels and a rival gang and the center of their beef? a starbucks hangout. the news is now. better check your portfolios. wall street finally has something to like. stunning new evidence of torture. executions in libya. the rebels appear to be the ones pulling the trigger. >> reporter: at least ten of them have been shot at point blank range. >> reporter: moammar gadhafi is gone but we're getting a look at the bloodshed left behind. a man terrorizes a town, unleake leashing dozens of dangerous animals before killing himself. now his wife wants them back. >> i can't believe this happened. >> jack hanna joins me live. a high speed car chase ends
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own life. ultimately the muskingham law enforcement had to shoot 49 of the animals but six survives. they have been taken care of at the columbus zoo. the three leopards, two primates and a grizzly bear. but there is no law that is preventing marian thompson from taking these six animals home. that's what we're told. she is precisely about to do that. and as she does, we will bring you back to these live pictures as she takes them home. and we'll talk to animal expert jack hanna who apparently has some words for this woman as well. we'll talk to them. stay tuned for that. meantime, let's take you globe trekking and to go thailand. thousands tried to flee bangkok today. they're trying to get away from the massive flood that threatens to bury most of the heavily populated city and cnn's reporter is there. she is reporting the next couple days will be very dangerous for anyone who hasn't gotten out of the water's way. >> reporter: we're standing out in front of the grand palace. one of the most beautiful and
adored landmarks here in the city. and what we're seeing are a couple of streets that are starting to get flooded here. we are now seeing that water creep into the inner parts of bangkok. of great concern for the citizens and for the officials. the government saying we can no longer stop this deluge of water from coming into many parts of the city. earlier today, we were able to get an aerial view. we went up in the helicopter with the u.s. navy and moorns have been doing daily missions to try ascertain what was whapg the water, you how quickly it is moving. with a we're seeing is this odd scenario. you're not seeing necessarily waters rushing in. you're seeing waters creeping in. we've seen roads that are being swallowed by water. we are seeing the airport from now an aerial view. this is the domestic airport. not the international airport. that is still running. we're seeing more water ending up on the runways there. we also flew over an area that
would normally dry. what you're seeing is water just for kilometers and kilometers of water going there. you're also seeing factories inundated or surrounded by water. we're talking about factories like toshiba, for example. we're talking about factories like toyota. and they are having difficulties now distributing things. so making business very, very difficult. thousands of factories, either flooded or surrounded by water and of course the residents. the residents having to deal with this. their houses flooded. their belongings ruined. their lives turned upside down. more than 300 people have lost their lives so far. we're talking about more than 9 million people affected and more people will be affected. because we are waiting for the high tide which is expected. then another push friday afternoon. so there is concern, of course, in the city and we are starting to see some of the flooding. we heard from the prime minister today saying that ten christmases, around four inches, to up to a meter will be coming
in to all of the city and we are waiting to see how high it will go. >> reporting from bangkok. thank you. let's throw that live picture back up. we're waiting any minute now, we will be seeing this woman, this ohio woman come back to the columbus zoo and pick up her six animals. this is huge news. as you remember, those 50 plus animals that she and her husband owned outside of zanesville terrorized this community. but there's no law preventing her from taking them home. they're hers. we will bring you that moment when she pulls up and pulls those animals out of there and takes them home. stay tuned for that. also any minute, the mayor of atlantic will join me here in studio. feeling the pressure as he cracks down on occupy protesters in his city. some have said he's too lenient. others are saying he's too harsh. we'll ask him about if he has any regrets about how he's handled it so far. ♪ for spacious skies
we may have dodged one, folks. we may have finally caught a break vis-a-vis the banks. the dow up a whopping 335 points there. the biggest reason of all, really, is this news out of europe. so european leaders may have finally solved their banking crisis. they may have solved their crisis and thus averted a possible meltdown. i'm going to ask you straight up here, did we just dodge a bullet? >> reporter: well, you know, if you ask the markets they tell you, yeah, we just dodged a bullet and i can't argue with that. you can't argue with the rally we've been seeing.
is the have the dow up 340 points. with this debt deal, what has happened is greece avoided a default and we avoided the sort of ripple effect that could have happened if greece defaulted. what ends up happening is greece can pay its bills now. we have some certainty. sbhe confidence back. brooke? >> i know we're going to talk a little bit more about europe specifically later on but we've also gotten some really welcome news here at home. the u.s. economy, finally picking up some steam. >> reporter: yeah. it showed that the economy is growing. it grew out of 2.5 annual pace in the months from july through september. this is third quarter gdp. cyn since last year, it's been a bumpy ride so it is a relief to see this 2.5% number. you look even deeper and consumer and business spending in the past three months. that picked up. that's a good sign. it shows confidence. especially after the first and second quarter. we had really tough economic growth. it was less than 1%.
but the reality is the growth that we have in the past three months, it is still not even enough to encourage more hiring, brooke. >> what about fourth quarter? what are we looking at for fourth quarter growth? and does this also end fears of a recession? >> well, first of all for fourth quarter growth, don't expect it to go like gang busters. i think what you'll see is you'll see the economy continue to grow. it is going to grow slowly. but the good news is that we are going to be moving forward. and that means it will put that recession fears to rest. and you know how much we had been talking about a recession here in the u.s. so that is good news. the reality is we've got a off the issues. we've got local and state government that continue to cut back and our exports continue to decline. these the things that go into that gdp number. so sure, we will continue to move forward. the good news is that it is expected to be above 2%. that means that we could avoid a recession here in the u.s.
thank you. as i mentioned, we'll talk europe and the big deal they brokered late last night. coming up next hour, until then, thank you. also taking to you california. it was a pretty tense night in san francisco. rumors were flying on twitter. police gathering in occupy san francisco, protesters were waiting and watching for a possible police crackdown. that never actually came. let to go amber who is at the protest site in san francisco. and amber, i imagine everyone was on edge. especially given what happened to that young iraq war vet during the oakland crackdown. how is he doing? >> reporter: well, we just talked with hospital officials and 24-year-old scott olson's condition has been upgraded. friends and family are very relieved. he is currently in the icu miles from here in oakland. and we spoke with his mom. she says that her son served two tours of duty in iraq and with no injuries, brooke, and she was
absolutely just shocked that this could happen in the u.s. he was apparently hit in the when he had some type of a projectile that fractured his skull during all the protests in oakland on tuesday. >> looking behind you there, mid afternoon in california. it seems pretty quiet. just some tents. what are protesters saying there? do they expect any kind of police action? >> reporter: well, they've been out here in occupy san francisco. they've had a couple of eviction notices. there has been a couple close calls, brooke. the health department officials came out here. they say that some of these protester have been violating health codes and that they were asking for them to remove their tents and leave. we just spoke with a representative of this camp. she said you know what? we have not been violating health codes. we are taking it very seriously. a couple squatters came through, a couple homeless individuals that caused issues. she said those have been taken care of. they're hoping the tense can stay out here as long as they need. that's what they're calling it,
an occupy movement and they don't want to leave. they say that scott olson's injuries have really galvanized this movement. we saw occupy protests all over the country yesterday in support of him. especially on the internet, brooke. the internet collective anonymous came out right away, calling for some type of response and responsibility within the oakland pd for what happened to mr. olson. they even posted badge numbers of police officers they believed were involved and phone numbers for the mayor and the pd, and mayor kwan had about 10,000 complaints on her facebook page in one day alone. >> amber lyon, thank you so much. speaking of mayors, we are 90 seconds away from the mayor of atlanta. necessary studio. he will join me now. kasim reed. he is cracking down on protesters in his city. some say he is too lenient. others say he is too harsh.
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the atlanta mayor kasim reed is here to talk a little bit about what you've been facing in your own city. i know you've been in contact with other mayors nationwide. a couple minutes ago, 52 arrests in woodruff park. and even reading, the whole cover story on the "atlanta journal-constitution." and they talk about how there have been criticisms you've been too harsh, you've been too lenient. how do you respond to the critics, first? >> i respond that we kept everyone safe. and that was my number one priority. we had protests for three weeks and we have not had any injuries in the stiff atlanta. we've not used tear gas, we've not used mace. we arrested 52 individuals and none were harmed. they were released on signature bonds under 30 hour. so i think that we've acted in a manner consistent with our best values with regard to criticism, that comes with the job. so it probably means we got it as close to as right as we
could. i went out of my way. i signed two executive orders so that the protesters were not violating the lawful but it got to a point where could you clearly see that the situation was deteriorating. there was an unsanctioned concert that in my opinion put people at risk. 600 people came. there was no security. no security plan. and been in a day later, there was a gentleman walking around the campus with an assault rifle. now, in georgia it's legal to walk around with an ak-47. but once that happened, i made the judgment that it was time to control the campus and clear it. but we certainly took extraordinary steps. we sent clergy to try to speak with them. ambassador andrew young has been. there congressman john lewis went to the campus. they would not allow him to speak. >> when you look at what happened in atlanta, and then you look at, because i think it was essentially the same, a 24-hour cycle what happened in oakland. you sort of juxtaposed the two scenes. oakland, we were showing the
pictures. you have the flash grenades, the bean bags, et cetera, thrown at some of these protesters. some of them dragged away. were you worried at all that that could happen in atlanta? >> well, i was worried. that's why we spent two weeks preparing. we spent an enormous amount of time and my compliments go to our police chief and the men and women of the police department. >> but you were worried. >> i was certainly worried. i was there. i mean, i was in woodruff park multiple times. i was being kept informed real-time. we had officers who were embedded at woodruff park so we were receiving video and audio information real-time. but i worry all of the time. when i saw weapons being, entering into the discussion and we heard the debates, and there was a debate within the movement about becoming more aggressive. they candidly were frustrated that they weren't getting enough media attention. and that's just a risk that i can't take. certainly not with an ak-47.
>> on the flip side, you're hearing from people who live in and around woodruff park, correct? business owners. what were they asking of you? >> well, 3,000 people live around the park. for them, that's their front yard. and they basically wanted their quality of life back. and i was willing to take that criticism. atlanta is the center of the civil rights movement. we have a number of civil rights icons who i consulted while this was going on to get their advice. and a lot of people spent 50 years building our reputation as a place of tolerance. and i wasn't going to tear that down. that's why we spent so much time trying to be gentle with the people that we were removing from the park. we photographed and videotaped the entire process. we took photographs of the police officers and the people that they were arrests. >> whose idea was that? >> it was a combination of my leadership team.
it was my idea that women police officers should arrest women and men should arrest men. i didn't want photos of men dragging women away. so we implemented that. so it was a combination of the leadership team. >> you were consulting with other leaders but also as you were telling me on the break, you had been in consult wags multiple mayors across the city. who else have you been talking to? >> mayors have been talking about. this i was with mayor emanuel in chicago. i've talked to mayor michael nutter. >> the mayor of philadelphia. >> when we had the memorial for the king monument. so mayors have been having conference calls about this. >> what is the crux of that conversation? >> well, we want to recognize the frustration. but we have our laws we have to enforce and i think everyone is going through a sense of being torn. we have to enforce the law. that's our obligation. and this movement has no leader. so it's very difficult as the
chief executive for a city to have no leader and the demands that have been being made certainly in atlanta, they asked that the name of woodruff be changed to troy davis park. we're not going to change the name of robert woodruff park. they had issues with troy davis's execution. that's a state issue. he was put to death by the state of georgia them wanted the fares changed. >> multiple issues. multiple messages, lack of leadership. mr. mayor, i appreciate you coming on and helping us understand how it all went down this week. >> this is important. i think this is an important conversation. >> it is important to cover it. thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. still to come here, a short time ago, police launch ad new search for that missing baby girl out of missouri. crews now are focused on a lake in the search for little lisa irwin.
this as her family cancels their news conference because they say they're tired. also, we are still keeping an eye on the columbus zoo where a woman is about to reclaim six of those exotic animals. six of some 50 plus. she and her husband used to own before last week, he let them loose on their property before he killed himself. it is quite a bizarre story. it is still unfolding. we're going to watch what happens next.
retrieve her six exotic pets because according to her affiliate, the department of agriculture is now saying that those six animals must be in quarantine. so they're not coming home with her today. but apparently she can get a hearing. she can get a hearing in the courts in the next 30 days to try to take those six exotic animals home. again, those animals, three leopards, three primates and a grizzly bear. we'll stay on that. meantime, new twists and turns out of missouri. a new search is now underway for lisa irwin, the kansas city baby who vanished from her crib more than three weeks ago now. so police in boats are scouring this lake. this is in a north kansas city park. two crews of investigators with dogs are stepping rest of the park. the lake, we're told, is about ten mile from baby lisa's home. meanwhile, baby lisa's family is preparing for authorities to question the missing baby's two
young brothers. jim spellman is at this lake in kansas city. and jim, just looking at those aerial pictures, it is quite an active scene. tell me, what can you tell me at this hour? >> reporter: we've actually just come back to baby lisa's house here. they're out there with cadaver dogs. they're especially trained dogs who can smell human remains or live humans as well. their handlers tell me they can detect scents of a deceased person in that water. they had won out in the swimming in the water. one in the boat and one on the land. scouring that area. they tell us unfortunately, they didn't get any hits while they were there. they've just wrapped up that search. police have been doing this for the last several weeks. they've gone back to put new tools, new resources to try to come up with. what they really need here, police tell us, is to have free access to reenter view this family. it's been two weeks since the parents have spoken to the police in a free interview kind of interrogation meeting. and it has been since the night
that baby lisa disappeared that these two half brothers have been interviewed. that will be friday. police here hope that will help them recharge, reinvigorate this investigation. >> let me jump in and ask you about that. that's supposed to happen tomorrow. not just a police officer. we know it is a specialist, trained in child forensic interviewing technique. what exactly is that person looking to get out of these little, little boys tomorrow? >> well, they want to get any information they can. it's tricky dealing with children. these especially trained social workers make it nonconfrontational. in a comfortable environment for these boys to speak openly. but you know, they might mix in things from their imagination or mishear things. so it's much different than interviewing an adult. that won't happen at a police station or at their home. a special center for doing just this. interviewing children. so they have a lot of experience in this. not only in crimes but, not
missing children but all sorts of crimes. that will happen tomorrow. the mother that night has told other media that she was drinking and maybe even have blacked out. so these boys may have been the only people in the house that evening that have good memories and recollections. they hope it will be helpful. >> quickly you mentioned that the parents haven't spoken with police in a couple weeks. we were hoping, you were hoping to hear from the parents' attorneys today. that didn't happen. the media were supposed to get in the home. that didn't happen. what's going on there? >> you got me. it's really strange, brooke. they've hired a high-powered new york attorney. he was here for one day and immediately went back to new york and then europe. he's been doing press interviews from rome. they have local counsel who told us she would bring a pool camera into baby lisa's house. that was scheduled this morning and a press conference. they then sent out a press release saying they were
canceling all that. they were too tired. they were postponing it to next week. a really sort of confusing front they're presenting. that really just wants to help themselves do nothing with local media and that's confused a lot of people and raised a lot of questions the tactics the family is taking in this investigation. >> if you learn anything, if anything comes of that lake search, obviously, we'll pop it back on television and bring that to our viewers. jim spellman in kansas city, thank you so much. it is being called the worst biker feud in years. hell's angels and this rival gang fighting one another. now police are seriously concerned more violence might break out over this coming weekend as this turf war escalates. but wait until you hear what started this whole thing. it involves coffee. not kidding. that's why i like glucerna shakes. they have slowly digestible carbs to help minimize blood sugar spikes, which can help lower a1c. [ male announcer ] glucerna. helping people with diabetes find balance.
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gangs. we're talking about hell's angels and the vagos. what is the genesis to all this blood shed? according to a reuters report out today, this is a turf war. and it all started when the vagos tried to muscle in on a hell's angels hangout. that being a starbucks in downtown santa cruz in california. when we first read this story, we thought really? big burly bikers maiming and killing one another over lattes? the rival bikers really did rumble outside this starbucks. boots, hammers flew. take a look at this mug shot. this is one of the biker in the fight. do you see his forehead? that is a boot print. the biker feud got even bloodier. five people wounded in a gun fight outside an arizona casino. and a fight outside a nevada casino left the leader of the hell's angel chapter dead. that was followed by a shooting at the biker's funeral. his deputy was killed.
the suspect is another hell's angel who is believed to be now on the run. and police are worried there's going to be even more violence over this upcoming weekend. as hell's angels gather to bury the biker who was murdered at his boss's funeral. terry katz is with the international outlaw motorcycle gang investigators association. he's on the phone. and terry, did this feud really start over the starbucks? or the roots, they have to be deeper than that. >> the starbucks confrontation was one of them. remember they aren't reported to the police because it was by a coffee stop in a metropolitan area. the police were called and that's how they know about this one. but it goes back probably 35 steer when the vagos were formed. remember, they're a gang in
california. the hell's angels started in california. show the has been a series of confrontations. and now a series of very violent ones. >> this goes back decades but we're hearing this is the worst biker feud in at least a decade. how bad is it? >> what you have to understand, in the world they live in. a world of fearful they fear each other. >> why? >> in some cases, fear themselves. so violence is part of their lifestyle. and these just happen to be in public places where they've been recorded. but there have been literally hundreds of confrontations involving violence, most of which don't get reported to the police because it's not a coffee shop or a suburban neighborhood. >> when you talk about fear and how they're living in fear, from
what i understand, this is termed hell's angels against hell's angels with that shooting at the funeral of one of the chapter leaders in san jose. might there be more of that kind of violence? >> obviously the police were outside that event. there were like 4,000 people at the funeral of the san jose chapter president who was killed by a suspect that has been linked to the vagos who is now under arrest. the rule in most of these gangs is you can find one-on-one, hand to hand. shooting your own member is obviously against their rules. so this individual is either going to get caught by the police or by his own gang. obviously the police will be on high alert for the funeral of the member that was killed at his san jose funeral. >> turf war and rival biker gangs, some 35 years and continuing.
terry katz, thank you so much for calling in. still ahead, congress. it seems they cannot agree on anything, budget, taxes, would you believe our weather forecaster in jeopardy because lawmakers can't get their act together. you have to hear this. plus, it's no secret. rick perry's poll numbers have plunged after a couple of debate performances so he appears ready to make a drastic move. wolf blitzer is standing by with details. some vehicles sacrifice luxury to improve fuel efficiency.
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this year. wolf blitzer has some news here with america's choice 2012. what's the deal? what's the story? >> he'll be the first governor perry to acknowledge, to admit that he has not done well in these debates so far. and apparently has no desire to do a whole lot more. he'll do some but not necessarily all of the scheduled republican debates, according to ray sullivan, his communications director who told our john king this. he said we're about 60 days away from votes being cast. the candidates need to spend time in iowa during those town halls and spending a lot more time with the vote here's sometimes have the best questions and press the candidates the hardest. so it's clear that rick perry doesn't want to do a whole lot more debates. we'll see how many he does. there are at least a dozen in the works between now and january, early february. this whole thing could be resolved after iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, florida, if for example, mitt romney were to do really well in those four states. it could be over that quickly. on the other hand, if he doesn't
necessarily do so well, it could go into february, march, and brooke, you'll remember four years ago when john mccain wrapped it up relatively quickly. but hillary clinton and barack obama, they went on and on including debates all the way through june. they were waiting for puerto rico to work their magic before barack obama won the democratic presidential nomination. we'll see what happens this time around. speaking of hillary clinton, did you see the new "time" magazine poll? hypothetical match-up. hypothetical match-up. let's say the president of the united states, barack obama were to run against mitt romney. according to this "time" magazine poll, president obama would beat romney by three percentage points, 46-43%. that's a huge if, if hillary clinton were the democratic nominee and if she were running against mitt romney, hillary clinton would crush mitt romney 55-38%.
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ohio. not just any colt cult, an amish cult. forcibly cutting off beards and hair, men and women. chris welch is now following this bizarre story for us. he is in pittsburgh. and chris, you actually spoke with a man supposedly leading this, we'll call it a splinter group. who is he? and how has he responded to the allegations that he or his men are cutting these beards and hair of people in the amish community? >> well, that's right. authorities believe it is the work of this one man. several groups of rogue amish members broke away from traditional amish and have been attacking, basically going up to home in the middle of the night and ringing the door bell. pulling men out by the beards and cutting the beards off. authorities say this is not just the boring of some kids pulling a prank. authorities believe it a man named sam. this video was taken from a raid of his compound in rural eastern ohio within the last few years. this man, authorities say, the
orchestrating all of this and he has been at the center of authorities' focus for a long time now. the sheriff of jefferson county, ohio, believe he is up to something much more sinister. here's what he told me. >> he is like a cult leader. what has been going on there is not true amish. true amish don't act like that. true amish don't go out attacking people. they just don't do it. when i tell you nothing moves out there unless he says it moves, that's the case. >> reporter: you heard him there. he believes this is a cult. now i took a trip down to try and track down sam mullet. i knocked on his door. he did answer. he refused to go on camera and discuss these allegations. but i asked him, how he responds to these accusations that he is running a cult. he says this is not a cult. as to whether he is behind the beard cuttings, the beard
cutting incidents himself. he said this is a quote from him. he said beard cutting is a crime, is it? so take that for what it's worth, i guess, brooke, but this is a very, very interesting story that i think authorities are keeping their eye on at this point forward. >> let me ask but the victims. i guess it was about this one man who had his beard cut how many frightened are they and is there any fear of it happening again? >> they're scared. that's the best way to put it. the people who have been attacked are scared. so are the people who haven't. all the amish are concerned. with the folks i spoke to, i spoke to a woman named arlene miller. it was her husband who was attacked and pulled out of their house. she was telling me, look, we've now add locks to our doors. most of the amish kept their doors open.
the miller residence, these folks i talked to, always kept their door unlocked when they slept at night. that's changed now. here's another thing they've started doing. they keep mace on hand. this is not something we would traditionally associate with amish culture. >> so mace on hand. i know that there have been five arrests. we've talk to the sheriff and tleth could be other people involved. chris welch for us in pittsburgh. thanks so much. coming up next, weather forecasts. we depend on them every day. the forecasts could be in jeopardy. congress is dragging its feet. chad meyers is fired up about this, right? jerry neumann with a policy question. jerry, how are you doing? fine, i just got a little fender bender. oh, jerry, i'm so sorry. i would love to help but remember, you dropped us last month. yeah, you know it's funny. it only took 15 minutes to sign up for that new auto insurance company but it's taken a lot longer to hear back. is your car up a pole again? [ crying ] i miss you, jessica! jerry, are you crying? no, i just, i bit my tongue.
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miles. expand its little solar panels and start taking fantastic pictures of the earth. better pictures than we've ever seen for weather. the only issue is the next possible launch that they're talking about won't be for six years. that's after the usable, supposed to be, the warranty on this satellite. what happens if we lose a satellite? you know what? brooke, there's an awful lot of the world that we don't live in. sure, there are people out there. people that live in hawaii and the oceans on islands and things. but think about how great the forecast is across the eastern part of the country here because we know all about what's happening here. what do we know about there? or there? or there? not very much. this new satellite will be able to go around the world, around the pole in one rotation like this. and the earth will spin under it. it will see the entire world a couple times a day. and it long whether there are storms in the pacific that might hit us in eight or ten days. the long term f