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outfront tonight, whoa, whoa, whoa. it really was one of those days. the markets soared, the dow up 339 points. nasdaq and s&p up more than 3%. and there were two big reasons why. one, america defied skeptics with american consumers spending money. the u.s. economy grew 2.5% in the third quarter. twice as fast as the prior quarter. look at it compared to earlier this year. now, 2.5% isn't great overall, but it is a lot better than a lot of doomsayers expected. the other big news was europe. they made a deal to bail out greece. that deal also, not that great.
but after 14 summits, any deal was enough to juice the markets and that it did. october now on track to be the best october for the overall markets since january of 1974. to put that in perspective, that was the year "blazing saddles" came out. >> we must do something about this immediately! immediately! immediately! >> thatrumf. >> i didn't get a harrumf out of that guy. >> apparently a movie a lot of guys like. >> 1984 also a year before cnn or i were born. stocks are up. gdp european deal. peter spent 20 years on the floor of the new york stock exchange. so one great day, and a great month, which kind of snuck up on us. are you optimistic? >> i am optimistic. and i'm optimistic for several
reasons. both of the points that you mentioned are clearly the drivers. the gdp numbers, the macroeconomic numbers that we've been getting are both incredibly positive, surprisingly positive, given the weakness in some of the sectors of the economy. but also, the eu, as you had mentioned, there's a lot of work to be done. it still takes a lot of risk off table, particularly for the financials. so on a day like today, you've seen tremendous leadership from the financials. that's a very good indicator that there's still some room left on this move up. >> and in terms of this double-dip scenario, which is fair to say, our economic strike team had said, you know, 17 out of 20 of them, they did not see a double dip. now we get numbers like this. a lot of americans still feel like we're in a recession, but it doesn't look like we're going to have that double dip so many are dreading. do you agree? >> i definitely agree, but i must be honest with you. i was very, very bearish back in april and may. but a number that we see today, 2.5 on the gdp, that is definitely not recessionary. in fact, we've had quite a few quarters now of growth. >> thank you very much, peter kinney, optimism something we need. and the optimism is good, because confidence is what will get america and the world growing full steam again. but, for the optimism to become reality, 12 people must act. a group of 12 in our nation's capital that's holding america hostage. that is the super committee, charged with cutting america's debt within the next month. they have a choice to be bold and make a difference, or be something that merriam webster defines as, quote, lacking power, with the example being, political eunuchs. so a group of member of the
house wrote a letter, saying they want to cut america's debt by $4 trillion. they wrote in part, "to succeed all options from mandatory and discretionary spending and revenues must be on the table." jim heinz, member of the house financial services committee. thanks so much and good to see you. >> great to be here, erin. >> first of all, how many people have signed on to this letter? >> well, it's still in motion, but we've got close to 100, democrats and republicans who have said, we need to go big and keep everything on the forward. >> and that quote i gave was from a draft of the letter which said, all options were mandatory and discretionary, spending and revenues must be on the table. that line is still in there, right? >> that's right. and obviously that's a line that's hard for people in both parties to say, but there's a hundred of them now who have agreed to that language. >> so what about this super committee? it's interesting, we had mr.
camp on last night. there is now a story out of reuters tonight that tim ryan, democrat on the house budget committee, says that there is broad sentiment in congress that the u.s. economy will not necessarily suffer from another downgrade, from the other two big agencies. is that broad sentiment in congress? >> i would disagree with that. look, there's a lot of concern articulated by a lot of us, if there's a failure on the part of the super committee, it continues the notion around the world that we can't govern ourselves. i would actually say there's real fear. and in addition to that real fear, if the super committee doesn't fail to come up with a good plan, you've got these automatic cuts that kick in that everybody hates. i mean, they're big, brutal cuts. so there's a lot of hope. i'm not going to go so far as to say optimism, but a lot of hope that these guys will get a proposal put together. >> cnn is reporting today that boehner, talking about those automatic cuts, because they hit in places that nobody wants, massive cuts to defense that panetta doesn't want, he says, let's take the cuts off, because they're bad, and that will force the committee to about. if that's the case, that's very
concerning, because to me, that means the committee will do nothing. >> and the whole point is they are very bad. that's why they are there. they are there to make this super committee look like they've got some really serious troubles if they don't succeed. so they're bad and they're in law. john boehner may have decided he doesn't like them and he would like to do away with them, but they are in law. and they are what is ultimately going to get this super committee to do what it needs to do. >> so jay carney made a joke today about 9, and he was making a joke about the 9-9-9 plan, but just talking about 9 being a bad number. but it is the number of approval rating for congress. okay, so what are you guys going to do about that? what is it that congress doesn't get about the fact that people want something done? >> well, yeah, and people do want something done, but people also sent a group of 70 freshman on the republican side that were pretty uncompromising and have been pretty uncompromising. so i get it. you know, people are economically insecure, they're losing their jobs, they're losing their homes. i understand why they're angry at congress. they look at the bailouts, they look at partisanship and the bickering that occurs, but we
all got sent here by more than 50% of our constituents. this is another reason why i think it's so important that the super committee get this done. because if we get it done, nobody's going to like what gets done. this is, you know, this is stuff that's -- >> and you're looking for $4 trillion in cuts, which is about three times as much as the super committee has to come up with. >> but it's also the number that stabilizes the united states debt. if it's not $4 trillion, we'll be back next year or the year after doing this again. >> and it is the magic number, if you don't get that, the downgrades, they keep coming. >> maybe. >> thanks so much, congressman himes, good to see you, and appreciate it. john avalon, what do you think about the letter, what john boehner had to say, and what about tim ryan had to say? >> the letter is a major step in the right direction. you've got 100 members of the house in both parties encouraging the super committee to go big. it's not just that. when you spoke to senator mark warner a year ago, he said there are 40 members of the senate that are also encouraging the
super committee to go big. that tells me there's at least 140 people on capitol hill that get it. they feel the urgency with regard to our definite and debt, and urging the super committee to hit that $4 trillion number. boehner and ryan, i think that's exactly the wrong message to send. it takes away that urgency and the sense of real consequence that's going to focus the minds of people in congress. >> and people like jim himes, who has worked in the banking industry, because he understands this downgrade is not something to trifle with. if what tim ryan of reuters is reporting is the case, that's very, very concerning that it's okay to get more downgrades, just keep bringing them on, it doesn't matter. it does matter. >> it matters enormously. the fact that statement was said shows how much some folks don't want to get it. s&p downgraded because they sat at the political brinksmanship. this was a message that was reinforced by ben bernanke. this is a self-inflicted wound we suffered, because of that dysfunctional the debt ceiling debate we had this summer. and everyone's been warned.
this is not subtle. everyone should be clear in their mind about the importance of dealing with our deficit and our debt if you want our country on a long-term sound fiscal footing and everybody should. >> i have to say, the letter, and these things can fall apart, and they were trying to come up with it today, they don't have all the signatures yet, so it's still a working in progress. but the fact that they have 95 people that have signed, democrats and republicans, and my understanding is that at this point it's basically half and half, that includes revenues and includes cuts, and that word hasn't come out, neither one of them, that's something to applaud. because we want the leadership. >> it is something to applaud. and look, hope is not a strategy, but it's a step in the right direction. this formula has been understood. bowles/simpson, gang of six, they've all said that it needs to be done with a combination. some combination of cuts and revenue increases. and that can be done even by lowering rates and closing loopholes. so there's plenty of common ground to be built on here, if
they can find the political will to be brave, be bold, and go big. >> all right. well, let's hope that they do. we're fighting for that here with the big ideas. thanks, john avalon. still out front, the latest on the six animals that had survived last week's slaughter in ohio. where are they now? they moved today. and former presidential candidate, john edwards on trial for his part in the sex scandal that derailed his career. and did you hear the one about rick perry? we can't resist telling you our favorite joke of the day. ♪ [ cellphone rings ] cut! [ monica ] i have a small part in a big movie. i thought we'd be on location for 3 days, it's been 3 weeks. so, i used my citi simplicity card to pick up a few things. and i don't have to worry about a late fee. which is good... no! bigger! bigger! [ monica ] ...because i don't think we're going anywhere for a while. [ male announcer ] write your story with the new citi simplicity card. no late fees. no penalty rate. no worries.
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number tonight, 2,983,824,379. that is how many gallons of gas you can buy with exxonmobil's third quarter profit of $10.3 billion. a lot. okay. a lot of work and money goes into a gallon of gas. exxonmobil has a hand in almost all of it. 77% of the money you pay at a gallon of gas actually goes towards crude oil and refining. the government takes a tax out of this. but speaking of taxes, exxonmobil pays a lot of them. according to s&p capital iq, the effective tax rate on exxonmobil in 2010 was 40.7. yes, that is almost 6 percentage points above the statutory rate. we wanted to start this segment by playing the song "i want you to want me," but our rights and clearances people said no, although there is no doubt with that terrible singing, because that would no violate anything. the problem is, mitt romney really wants tea party love, but so far they have not supported him.
it's been kind of anybody but mitt romney for the tea party. ron brownstein is senior political analyst for cnn. ron, good to have you with us. i know you've been looking at all the fine print, in every single poll out there, the recent cnn polls in early states, and have an inside track on tea party support. so you say the race has become two races on parallel tracks. what do you mean? >> i can take your "blazing saddle" reference and raise you back to "dr. strangelove." you have to go back to 1964 to see a race as volatile as this. six candidates have led in the polls. one of the reasons why the race is so volatile is because it is clearly evolving along two separate tracks. in your cnn polling, about half of the party identifies as supporters of the tea party. the other half of the republican electorate say they're either neutral or opposed to the tea parties. and these two groups are moving in very different ways. the non-tea party side of the party, they are moving pretty
steadily toward mitt romney. he was at 16 or 18% with them in your polling in august and early september, up to 24% in late september. 35% now. meanwhile, on the other side of the party, he's stuck at around 17%, 18% with that tea party side. most of them don't want him. but they have been bouncing around. early on, michele bachmann had a spike with him and then rick perry over the summer was polling at about 35, 36% with the tea party. and now herman cain has collapsed. it's hard to imagine that is exactly where the wheel will stop turning with that side of the party. >> okay. if mitt romney does not get the tea party, does it matter? can he still win the nomination and potentially the election? >> i think he can win the nomination without the tea party. if no one can consolidate that side of the party as well as he is consolidating his side of the party. look at your state-by-state polls at this point, he's up to 30% in iowa, 39% in florida.
27% in south carolina, and 40% in new hampshire, roughly, among the non-tea party side of the party. and if he can build on that and there is a -- no one can consolidate the tea party side, he can be, in effect, a plurality nominee. there may never be a majority that affirmatively wants to nominate mitt romney, but that won't matter if no one can consolidate that majority and it fragments among several candidate. >> that'll be interesting. we'll see whether they go and vote regardless of whether they love him or not. all right. thanks very much, ron. good to see you, sir. >> thank you. well, today a federal judge refused to throw out the criminal case against john edwards. in case you have forgotten, the disgraced former presidential candidate. edwards will face charges of violating campaign finance laws by using nearly $1 million to hide an affair with rielle hunter and his child with her, as you see there. jeff toobin is cnn legal analyst -- >> and i'm just sitting here. were you even alive when cheap trick sang "i want you to want me." that is an old reference. i don't think you were.
>> i don't know the exact year, but i may not have been. >> not "blazing saddles" either. >> although i have been told i must watch it this weekend. so this john edwards, he admits spending money to hide the affair. so is this a slam dunk case? >> it's just a very weird criminal case, because the facts are largely not in dispute. john edwards was near the end of his presidential campaign. the disclosures started to come out that he had this child with rielle hunter. two of his big supporters, fred barron and bunny mellen put up nearly $1 million that goes through intermediaries and goes to rielle hunter, basically to cover her living expenses and keep her quiet. so the question is -- and everybody agrees that happened. the question is, is that an illegal campaign contribution, as the government says, or is it simply friends helping out a friend in trouble? >> okay. so, now, he's pretty confident he can win this. if i am right here, he had a chance to plead to a
misdemeanor, he had a chance to take, what was it, just a few months in jail? and he said, no. and now there's a whole lot more at stake. >> right. it's really a remarkable thing that he turned down this plea deal, because he would probably not even go to prison at all, but he wasn't guaranteed no prison and he wasn't guaranteed that he could keep his law license, and apparently those are the big sticking points in the plea negotiations, keeping the law license and prison. and he and his lawyer, his legal team led by abby lowell, they think they have a pretty good case. >> if he loses, how long would he go to jail? >> i would be surprised if he got a year, but he would lose a law license, which is a big deal. his political career is over, we know that, but he's in his mid-50s. he's got to make a living and he really wants to be a lawyer. he was a very talented and popular lawyer in his day. >> can he get a jury that is untainted on this? >> everybody hates this guy because of what he did, because of you know, his wife was dying
of cancer, we all know the story. the problem is, the case is not really about that, it's about campaign finance laws. and the question is, will people's hostility to him carry over to this fairly arcane technical crime, and will they just say, look, we hate this guy, we're going to convict him, or will they look at the facts and say, this isn't why we're mad at him, it's just irrelevant? i don't know. >> jeff toobin, it's going to be an interesting one. i'm very curious, just to see what kind of treatment people get. all right, jeff toobin, thanks again. good to see you, sir. and outfront next, herman cain. he doesn't have really any endorsements and he doesn't have a formal-based support, but he is leading in the polls and that is the bottom line. his campaign staff, are they able to hold it together. well, guess what, the guy in charge, you know, that guy, he's coming on this show. and rick perry has a joke to tell us, and we can't resist sharing it with you. and the six animals that survived last week's slaughter in ohio, will they be turned to the owner's widow?
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now a story we can't resist. rick perry was in the news today, backtracking on comments he made about the president's birth certificate. earlier in the week, he said, "i don't know. i don't have a definitive answer. it's a good issue to keep alive. i don't have a clue about where the president and what this birth certificate says." sounded pretty definitive, but today he changed his tune when he said, "i don't think i was expressing doubts, i was just having fun with donald trump." he's just the latest candidate
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, where we focus on our own reporting, do the work, and find the "outfront" 5. up first, aziz an crowned the new prince of saudi arabia. he's about 78 years old. he's tightly allied with the clerics in saudi arabia. an oil analyst told "outfront" if king abdullah dies and prince nayef takes over, oil could jump as much as $20 a barrel. number two, severe sliding and mud slides in northern italy have left at least six dead. cnn crews on the ground say conditions are improving in coastal towns hammered by days of rain. the situation is so bad that several towns can only be reached by boat. the towns also lack power and drinking water. officials are calling in the military to help. number three. ponzi schemer bernard madoff told abc's barbara walters the the hardest part of prison is not seeing his family and knowing they hate him.
this conversation comes out a day after bernard's wife told cbs that they both had attempted suicide. ruth was one aware of the ponzi scheme until the arrest. nearly 100 representatives signed on a letter urging the 12-member super committee to cut $4 trillion from the deficit, nearly three times as much as it was required to. earlier i talked to a congressman who signed it, democrat jim himes of connecticut. he says there's a lot of concern in congress about the possibility of the super committee failing. he says the threat of automatic cuts are the only thing that are forcing the committee to get the job done. well, they need to get the job done, because more downgrades could be coming. it has been 83 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? super committee, we need you. well, the latest poll from
fox news has herman cain leading in -- leading mitt romney on a national poll. romney is at 24% -- cain's at 24%, romney's at 20%. it's accurate on the screen. many are still wondering, though, how herman cain continues to have such momentum and is his campaign for real? after all, mr. cain was in arkansas today doing a book tour today and he hasn't been in new hampshire since august 20th. at the center of mr. cain's unconventional run for the gop nomination is mark block who is out front with us tonight. mark, pardon the pun, people will see your face and they'll get it, many are saying that this campaign is a bit of smoke and mirrors. when are you going to get serious about the early states? why is mr. cain in arkansas right now? >> he actually is in arkansas campaigning, erin, he's not on a book tour. and we are serious about the early states. we've been in iowa as many times as the other candidates, other than one. we have operations in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina and florida and other states. we're very serious about it.
and it's interesting that the news this week has been about the message that i delivered to our activists and happened to be smoking at the end of it. that seems to have taken over some of the air waves this week. but mr. cain is out there, talking about his economic plan, 9-9-9, it's resonating, and it's resonating with main street america, erin, just like i think that the youtube video that has now gone viral, which i'm being told has been seen by over 3 million people has resonated also with mainstream. herman cain is a man of the people. i can see now that you're playing the -- >> i'm playing it, yes. i'm playing it. >> he's a man of the people. kind of like what i was talking about with the ad. it resonated with the vfw people in iowa and other people all across the country. >> so i'm going to ask you a
little bit about that ad. obviously, you're explaining why you did it. i mean, you've done these ads, they go viral, lots and lots of people see them. we actually looked at your hits on youtube versus the other candidates and, well, it's pretty obvious that you're getting the buzz and they are not. we're looking at it right here. as you said, nearly a million viewers, what we saw, but look at compared to mitt romney and rick perry. are you proud of the ad, though? what about the smoking part? are you a chain smoker? you smoke regularly, so this is just who you are? >> the people that work for me and have worked for me all my career had said, just let block be block. kind of like if you know what i tell mr. cain before he goes to a debate. i said, herman, just be herman. and that's me. i mean, i don't condone smoking, i wouldn't encourage anybody to do it, but it's my choice. and it's kind of a joke on the campaign trail, especially with
reporters now that try to find me, if they go outside of a hotel during a break, i'm usually there with my iphone and a cup of coffee and a cigarette. so it's just block being block, just like we let herman be herman. >> so your campaign had raised a little bit more than $5 million through september 30th. mr. cain was on this show. he said he was going to send out a press release with his current numbers, because the quarter ended before the big surge in the polls, and he had indicated that you guys were raising a lot more money. press release isn't out yet, but can you tell us how much you've raised since the beginning of the month? >> it's over $3 million. i think one of the interesting metrics, and we follow a lot of metrics, including how many times the youtube is viewed. but at these florida straw polls, for example, we had about 30,000 donors. we're well over 65,000. so we've actually doubled in a little over a month. and that's what we're seeing in our grassroots activism growth and obviously in the youtube thing.
one of the things i think we've done better than the other candidates is used the new technology that's out there, that we call the digital media, whether it's twitter, or if you've been following twitter in the last half hour, i said i was coming on your show. and that's traveling around. and really capitalizing on all of the new technology that's out there. plus, the retail politics. and i think when this is all said and done, you will see that we have one of the most strongest widespread and deep grassroots organizations all across america. we have organizations in all 50 states, erin. >> all right. well thank you very much. appreciate you taking the time to join us and give us your thoughts. we'll see you again, sir. >> thank you. well, the six surviving wild animals from last week's massacre in ohio are now under quarantine. that's what zookeepers told their owner, marrion thompson today when she showed up to reclaim them. she is the widow of terry thompson, the gamekeeper who triggered a panic when he
released 56 animals into the community and then killed himself. faced with the lions, tigers and wolves and not having the ability to tranquilize them, police had to shoot and kill 49 of them. they believe another, a monkey, perhaps, was eaten. but they captured six. three leopards, two primates, and a grizzly bear and immediately sent them to the columbus zoo. marion wants her animals back. jack hanna is the director emeritus at the columbus zoo and also helped to round up the freed animals. good to have you with us. what was the basis of quarantine? are there legitimate health concerns or is this just a legal maneuver to keep marion thompson from getting the animals back? >> no. again, i was in new york doing some shows, i'm in charleston now. the point is, i found out about 5:30 this morning that we got a fax late last night saying she was coming to get her animals at 2:00 today. you can imagine, that took me by surprise, considering what we just went through less than a week ago. remember, any animal that comes
into the columbus zoo, the american subsidy logical and aquarium society requires, any zoo that goes from each zoo to the other, and it's an incredible inspection, whenever we transfer an animal, even amongst zoos, the animal goes into quarantine. we're not about to bring animals from that filthy, horrible mess into our zoo without quarantine. >> how -- >> now -- >> how bad of shape were these animals are in? were they malnourished? can you tell us a little bit more? >> some of them were somewhat thin, but they looked okay. right now they're eating well, they looked well. we had programs for them, and you don't know how long the quarantine will be. we can't put them down again, because they've already been put down to come to the zoo. i said, you have to call the state of ohio to find out. i don't know what all the legal things are.
as i told miss thompson, i want my children. i said, ma'am, right now we have a lot of problems here, as you can see. people were trying to take a carcass from your house, we had a dead lion in the back of somebody's car. we arrested those people. i didn't know what was going to happen in her house that night. i said, let me take them to the zoo. they have to go to the zoo until legal things can be worked out. i never thought in less than a week she would come back and say she's going to take them. where are you going to take them? i don't know. all of a sudden you think they're going back there. are you kidding me? after what happened last week? and then, of course, i called the state and the state said they can't go anywhere because they're quarantined. i don't know how the ramifications -- i was in new york, i don't know how this all took place, but they were calling he back every five menace telling me what happened. >> what's your sense of her? you said, she called them her children. you were surprised by her move now to try to get them back. but what is your perception of
her as a person? >> well, now i'm getting concerned. at first, obviously, you have a love for an animal. if that's the case, that she had this love, someone asked me, is there love there? if there was a love there, why would they be kept in horrid conditions like that? you don't love an animal and keep them in a filthy mess like that. the other question i didn't get the chance to ask her, if her husband obviously got out of prison and she left her husband, who was taking care of those animals the past year? someone said she hadn't been taking care of them that much. if you love something, how come all of a sudden you want these creatures back after what happened? it doesn't make any sense. irregardless of that, those animals aren't going anywhere right now because we have a valuable collection at our zoo. >> jack, thank you very much. hopefully you'll be back to tell us what you do find out. and up next, we head to england to find out about kate middleton's scar. and the latest developments in the baby lisa case. what do her brothers know about her disappearance? [ sam ] myd just 30 seconds.
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the head of the flood operations relief command says it is no longer possible to stop the water from coming into the city, and that means that much of bangkok will be flooded. how high those floods will go, nobody really knows, but the prime minister is saying mean 10 centimeters, which is 4 inches, and one meter, which is 3 feet, is expected if the next few hours. and of course you have the residents. the residents having to deal with waist-high water, their homes in some parts of the city now washed away, and hundreds of people have been killed in these floods, erin. >> all right. sara, thank you. next to turkey, the death toll from sunday's quake continues to rise, and it's been rising sharply. now 535 dead at least, 235,500 now 535 dead at least, 2300 injured. andrew finkel, have they given up yet? >> reporter: the rescue
operations have turned into a relief operation against exposure. it's really very cold out there, and with thousands of homes destroyed, people are desperate for shelter. but there's one piece of good news, a young man studying for his university examinations was rescued from the rubble alive. he was pulled out after 100 hours and flown to the hospital. at least there may be some hope he'll get to university after all, erin. >> thank you very much, andrew. we go now to london, where st. james palace is responding to this, a picture of kate middleton, as you can see there, with shows what appears to be a scar on the left side of her head. becky anderson is in london. becky, this is something that got the palace's attention. what are they saying? >> erin, there is no argument, the duchess of cambridge looked absolutely stunning when she overtook her first solo engagement last night, but her swept-back hairdo revealed what looked like a 3-inch scar. the british papers were awash with speculation about how she got it. the spokesperson for st. james' palace did confirm the scar was the result of a childhood operation, but gave no further
detail, saying this was a private matter. erin? >> all right. thank you. obviously people very curious about it, though. well, was michael jackson addicted to demerol? that was the focus of testimony in the conrad murray trial. today an addiction specialist for the defense took the stand. >> what are the things that you see in these medical records which cause you to believe that? >> six weeks of very frequent high-dose use, i believe, would result in opioid dependence in any of us. >> and you would consider this very high use? >> very high. >> that's right. conrad murray's team wants to prove that jackson was heavily addicted to the opiate demerol. they say it was withdrawal from the powerful painkiller which caused his insomnia, and that then in a desperate total to get to sleep, he became, well, started using propofol. jackson gave himself that final failed dose of propofol that officials say killed him. ted rowlands joins us now from l.a.
obviously, ted, important to the defense is the argument that michael jackson gave himself that fatal dose. but i'm curious as to if dr. murray was jackson's physician, wouldn't he know about demerol and the high dose and therefore that the whole risk of propofol to begin with? >> well, no, because he was getting it from another doctor, a beverly hills doctor, dr. arnold klein, and that was the subject of testimony today. they went through klein's medical records, even dating back to before murray was on board. >> so why hasn't dr. klein been called to testify, or will he be? >> he won't be. the defense would love to have him on there. they've had him as this theme throughout their argument and throughout the trial, but the judge has ruled that klein will not take the stand. >> and do we know why at all, or -- >> because there was no demerol in jackson's body when he died, so the demerol use wasn't a direct cause of death, according to the judge. the defense would argue differently, but the judge made that ruling a long time and the defense has to live with it.
>> okay. so how do they respond to the claim that jackson may have self-administered the propofol? even if the defense proves he did, does that let murray off the hook? >> what the prosecution has done is plan "b" throughout this, it doesn't matter who gave him the fatal dose, it was dr. murray that brought this dangerous drug into jackson's bedroom. he should be held accountable. he was the doctor. >> thanks very much, ted. we'll talk to you tomorrow. all right. can lisa irwin's older brothers shed some light on what happened to their 11-month-old baby sister? the police and fbi are hoping that. they're going to be sending the 6-year-old and 8-year-old boys down tomorrow to question them an the night lisa disappeared from her crib about a month ago. they've only been questioned once on the first day. elizabeth smart, who was abducted from her bedroom in june 2002 was found nine months later, thanks in large part to her little sister, mary katherine. well, i spoke to their father, ed, right before this show.
he's been through this and he told me that the interview with the boys he thinks could actually lead to new and important information. >> mary katherine's case, in the end, that's what saved elizabeth. i mean, it was her remembrance of this person, and, you know, whether the boys heard anything or saw anything, i guess we don't know exactly what the police have received as far as information of what they might or might not know, but i certainly think checking that over at this point is an important thing to do. >> how likely is it that they'll get valuable information? it's a lot of time to go by with children as young as they are. and there's been a lot of information and perhaps, you know, tainting of their memory that could have happened. >> you know, i think that's a concern, because in mary katherine's case, the thing that law enforcement really did was to sequester mary katherine and tell us, you know, please don't expose her to a lot of
information about what has happened and potentially in the future, mary katherine can come forward and give some pertinent information that she may have, you know, forgotten. and so -- and in the end, you know, one night katherine came in and said, dad, i think i know who it is. well, she hadn't known who it was for the past four or five months, so that was a big breakthrough. so you know, you just don't know. but i think at this point in time, the -- you know, the parents, everyone has got to feel everything that can be done must be done, and you can't fail to overturn every possible stone in the path. >> and i know you follow these missing cases very closely. i've reached out to families who have been going through this. have you considered reaching out to this family, to baby lisa's family? >> you know, i haven't had an opportunity of talking with them. i would be more than happy to.
you know, this is -- these events are so tragic, you know, i can't help but think of this jahessye shockley down in phoenix who went missing after playing in her front yard. and all of these cases really deserve attention from everybody, because it is the public that will most likely help to bring these children home. >> all right, sir, thank you very much, hope you'll stay in touch with us. this baby's so little. hope she's found alive. >> absolutely. we certainly hope that she is. and you know, god bless her family. "outfront," when we come back, against's economy in serious trouble, but their royal family is not so much. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.
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we are in serious trouble but if we get rid of this fat and try to put ourselves back online again it could be incredible what happens in the future. >> that was prince pavlos of greece reacting to the euro zone plan to help with greek debt. who is the prince, you said? we know this. he has a gorgeous family. his wife and his children grace the covers of magazines, "vanity fair"s and town and kuns worldwide. they live in a an 18th century mansion full of paintings which cost millions and millions of dollars, and yes, they do vacation in greece.
vickie ward is a reporter with "vanity fair". people think with the crisis in greece and austerity wouldn't know there's a crown prince and come out and comment on it today. who is this person? >> great question, erin. crown prince pavlos of greece is the son of the late -- still alive, king constantine who was forced out of greece many years ago, erin, and the prince and the greek, "royal family," were only allowed back in to greece a few years ago, so he's that greek. >> okay. so now i have seen in magazines his wife saying they love going there, they go there all the time, especially for the summer. >> as of recently. >> since being allowed. so why do you think all of a sudden -- he's never talked. >> no. in fact, i have spoke to friends in london where they live. apparently their house is very done up already for halloween in a way that no one else's is done up. they're surprised he gave this interview.
he's very careful, really not to talk about his relationship with his country although it's obviously very close. but i don't think one friend did say to me i don't think we're going to be seeing his face on the drachma any time soon. we don't think he's making that kind of statement. >> there could be a drachma coming back and a separate -- let me ask you, though, because they obviously are a gorgeous family and then she became a princess but i believe she's american, right? >> she gave up her citizenship in 2011. >> she just gave it up? >> yes. >> but the money in this family comes from who? >> an american. >> from her. >> duty free heiress. the princess and the pauper. >> the princess and the pauper. and her dowry in the wedding we're looking at there was how much? >> her dowry -- oh, well, her father's a billionaire. the dress was $220,000, valentino, half the european royals went, and the whole thing was arra