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atlanta area. that's what i'm going to do, watch "the walking dead." i'm don lemon at the cnn world headquarters in atlanta. make sure you have a great night, good week, see you back here next weekend. good night. tonight on cnn presents, predators in plain sight. priests accused of sex abuse, kicked out of a church. >> that's his apartment right there. you can see the red light and see his head bopping around. try to see if he will come to the door. >> and alarming investigation, how they could be living in your neighborhood. "the mountaintop," an all-star cast, controversial play. >> god don't like to be laughed at. >> how a 30-year-old playwright is challenging the way we remember the last day of martin luther king junior's life.
plastic wars. whys this man wearing 500 plastic bags and hanging off the side of a plastic boat and why is this plastic industry out to get him. hunting down sharks, they're the most feared predators in the ocean. we reveal how sharks have more to fear from us. revealing investigation, fascinating characters, stories with impact, this is cnn presents with your host tonight, soledad o'brien and sanjay gupta. >> we begin this evening with a cnn presents special investigation, a story that sounds all too familiar. >> catholic priests accused of abusing children. church leaders, accused of covering it up. >> this familiar story has a disturbing new chapter. hundreds of these-pieces live unmonitored in unexpecting communities. >> as we learned in some cases, they live next to schools and they live next to parks. gary tuchman tracks down some of the most notorious offenders,
predators in plain sight. >> reporter: here we are on a block where a molester priest lives, do you think the neighbors know about it? >> i'm certain they do not. >> ray is a los angeles attorney who works with victims of sexual abuse. >> unfortunately around los angeles and around the country, there are hundreds of priests in our communities without anybody having any understanding there's this danger sitting there in the middle of their communities. >> reporter: his firm tracked down accused pedophile priests living all over the country and compiled a list of their addresses. >> how does that you feel living across the street from a guy on a list like that? >> i have to really think about this and be cautious with kids or something.
i didn't know it. i'm just dumbfounded. >> reporter: nearly 6,000 priests have been accused of molesting children in the u.s. since 1950s. according to the u.s. conference of bishops. very few of those accused ever make it to a criminal trial. often because by the time victims come forward, the statute of limitations for the crime has passed. at that point even if a priest admits to the abuse, he cannot go to jail. >> the only reason why they weren't really convicted is because the church gave them a safe harbor and hid them. if the church had done what every school, you know, civic organization faced with sexual abuse would have and should have done at the time, alert the police, these priests would have been arrested. >> reporter: boucher says former priest carl sutfin is one example. a report from the los angeles archdiocese says he's accused of molesting 18 boys. even though he admits he's guilty, he's never been convicted. his victims came forward too late. >> reporter: mr. sutfin. now 79 years old, we found him
living in ventura, california. about 90 miles north of los angeles. you have admitted the child molestation from before. do you think the public should know where you live? >> they know. >> reporter: the public doesn't know where you live. do you think the public should know? sir, i just wanted to get your comments so i can give you a chance to speak. next, we traveled to another town north of l.a. the upscale west lake village. a community filled with families. that's where we found 56-year-old former priest kevin barmacy. the los angeles archdiocese says he's accused of molesting eight boys. he's never commented. but the church called the allegations credible and finally defrocked him in 2006. he's never had a criminal trial. that's his apartment right there. you can see the red light. we've seen his head bopping around. we'll try to see if he will come to the door.
mr. barmacy? barmacy would not answer the door. >> i want the church to put out information about where these individuals live. i want the church to bring these priests back in to a place where they are safe. safe for themselves and safe for the communities. >> unfortunately, they've never been convicted. they're private citizens. and so they're free to move about and live where they want to. >> reporter: todd tamberg is the spokesman for the los angeles archdiocese. could the church have done more to get convictions now that you look back at it? >> when we took priests out of ministry for allegations, we sent them to treatment. in some cases they were reassigned to other duties. >> reporter: let me stop you for a second. i'm wondering if the church as a whole here looks back at it, that wasn't a good way to deal with it.
>> looking back now at what we did back then, i think it was -- it was the wrong thing to do. we relied too often on the stories of the priests themselves. we thought too much about their well-being than the victims'. >> reporter: that's a startling admission you make. it's honest. >> well, it's true. >> reporter: tamberg says the church today notifies the police immediately if a child comes forward with an allegation of abuse. but it's too late for the people who say they were abused by this former priest. nicolas aguilar rivera. now an international fugitive wanted in the u.s. and in mexico. >> back then, there were 26 victims. >> reporter: former lapd detective federico sicard worked on this case for more than 20 years. >> back in january 11, 1988, around 8:30 in the morning, we got a call via the police radio.
and we were directed to go to this particular school in east l.a. in the holenbeck area. >> reporter: sicard arrived at our lady of guadalupe to find four children who said they were molested. >> it was horrible. because what the kids were telling us. >> reporter: but sicard never had a chance to question aguilar. >> we went to interview the priest, and they told us, he's no longer here. he's gone. he was taken to mexico. >> reporter: church officials found out about the alleged abuse on a friday. the officials met with aguilar on saturday. this police report indicates the priest told them he planned to return to mexico at the beginning of the week. police were notified monday morning. but it was too late. >> we made a call to, i think, child protective services. nobody was answering the phone. it was 5:00 on a friday. so monday morning the call was made.
the notification was made. aguilar rivera during the weekend fled without telling anybody, to mexico. >> if we had been able to get our hands on him, yeah, he would have been detained. >> reporter: after aguilar fled, more reports of abuse surfaced. the district attorney later filed a warrant charging aguilar with 19 counts of lewd acts against a child. when we come back, we travel to mexico to look for accused child molester nicolas aguilar rivera, the former priest who authorities say is impossible to find. yes, you do. you recognize him. you got a weather balloon with points? yes, i did. [ man ] points i could use for just about anything. ♪
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we've been investigating hundreds of catholic priests accused of abuse. and then allowed to blend back into society. alarmingly, no one keeps track of where they live. one of the most notorious is a priest who fled to mexico after being accused of molesting dozens of children. authorities say they can't find him. but that doesn't stop our gary tuchman. >> reporter: mexico city. population, 20 million. not a bad place to hide if you're a fugitive. except fugitive nicolas aguilar rivera doesn't seem to have anyone looking for him. aguilar fled los angeles in 1988, charged with molesting ten children. still a priest, he surfaced four years later. assigned to this church in mexico city. joaquin mendez remembers him vividly.
>> translator: i met him being an alter boy. he became a close friend of my family. honestly, his presence made me feel uncomfortable. his breath smelled really bad. it was a disgusting smell. even now, i feel the scars of those memories. >> reporter: joaquin was 13 years old when he says aguilar called him into his bedroom at the church. >> translator: so he said, come on in. let me show you some music tapes i made. so i go in, and he forced me to pull down my pants. he raped me. i got away from him however i could. he threatened me not to say anything to my family because if i did, he was going to do the same thing to my brother. >> reporter: joaquin found the courage to come forward. he told his parents, and they went to the police.
>> translator: they never arrested him. but that's the law in mexico. the investigation continued while he was free. >> reporter: aguilar left mexico city in 1995. over the next ten years, he continued working as a priest in small towns in the mexican state of puebla. >> translator: sanjuana martinez is a mexican journalist who's interviewed many who say they were abused by aguilar. she's also interviewed aguilar. you talked to him on the telephone? >> yes, i talked to him. >> reporter: how did you feel when you got off the phone with him. >> both angry and excited, you know. i said, i can't believe it that he's talking with me. >> reporter: aguilar repeatedly denied the allegations, including the charges made by joaquin mendez. >> reporter: we spoke to two men who are afraid to show their faces. they saw aguilar molested them as young boys.
>> translator: he said if i told anyone, he will kill my parents, my brothers. >> translator: he had me come into his room. he locked the door with the key. then he started to touch my private parts. >> reporter: five formal complaints have been filed against aguilar since his return to mexico in 1988. he's wanted in the state of puebla for statutory rape. but authorities there tell us they've lost his trail. we decided to look for aguilar ourselves. and got a lead that he was last seen in a town two hours south of mexico city. si, yes, you do. you recognize him. >> translator: yes.
i've seen him twice. >> emiliano, a local farmer, takes us to a local bus stop where he most recently saw aguilar. we asked emiliano if he recognized aguilar from the news. >> translator: yes. that's why i came with you. because i've seen him. >> reporter: at the bus stop we meet a woman who tells us she sees him regularly. she has no idea about his past. >> translator: i saw him on the bus. and he said i should take care of my baby. that was all. >> reporter: she agrees to show us where she says aguilar gets off the bus. unfortunately, once in the neighborhood, the people we meet say they don't know him. and our trail runs cold. back in mexico city, the spokesman for the archdiocese, hugo valdemar, says the church has no further responsibility for aguilar. >> translator: here in mexico city, we have no news of victims of nicolas aguilar. >> reporter: he says the church disputes the claim of rape by joaquin mendez.
but he acknowledges aguilar may be guilty of other abuse. >> translator: i'm not saying he may not have done things because we have the impression that he did. the church has done what needed to be done. it suspended nicolas aguilar. he is no longer a priest. >> reporter: but church officials did not defrock aguilar until 2009. years after they knew about the alleged abuse. valdemar told us it's not the church's job to hunt down suspects. >> translator: this is a job for the police. >> reporter: but sanjuana martinez doesn't see any evidence the police are looking for him. do you think that one day he will be arrested here in mexico? >> i don't think so. >> gary tuchman joins us now. so theoretically, could aguilar face charges in the united states if he's arrested? >> the charges still stand. what prosecutors in southern california are telling us is if
mexican authorities arrest him, if he were to be extradited, they would continue the prosecution. police in mexico are telling us they can't find him. church officials in mexico have indicated to us they have no interest in finding him. what's interesting about what the police tell us is that when we were there, we almost immediately found people who just saw aguilar. we were directed to a neighborhood where he either lives or visits frequently, and we're just reporters, we don't have search warrants. but if we were with police who had search warrants, i'm convinced they could have found him very quickly. >> it seems pretty notable that the los angeles archdiocese essentially acknowledged that there was improper conduct, they handled it inappropriately. what does that mean? >> it was very notable to have the spokesman from the l.a. archdiocese admit fault, admit that perhaps we should have called the police back then, years ago. not perhaps, we definitely should have called the police back then. that was a mistake. that was a very important part of our story. what was also important is him telling us that the archdiocese is not doing this anymore. that it's doing it right. we sure hope that's the case. >> gary tuchman, thanks. >> thanks, gary. coming one a play that has
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recently on broadway. it's called "the mountaintop." the way it portrays the last night of dr. king's life has people talking. and the playwright, katori hall, wasn't even born when dr. king was killed. but she says her play makes king look more real. >> we've got some difficult days ahead, but it really doesn't matter with me now. because i've been to the mountaintop. i don't mind. >> reporter: wednesday, april 3rd, 1968. >> mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord! >> reporter: the last speech dr. mart martin lu thther king ever gave. memphis's mason temple. he finished exhausted and returned to the nearby lorraine motel. his favorite room, 306. it was the last night of his life.
have you ever had a chance to be inside dr. king's actual room at the lorraine motel? >> no. only in my imagination. >> reporter: really? playwright katori hall has imagined dr. king's last night for almost 30 years of her life. they never let anyone in this room. almost never. >> yeah. >> reporter: this is all the way the room was when he died. >> mm-hmm. it is so small. it's too small to contain his dreams. you know? wow. >> reporter: now, hall has vividly brought that last night to life in a controversial play that's electrifying theatergoers. it's an unusual and very human take on dr. king. he drinks and smokes. he curses. he flirts. >> do you think i should shave off my mustache? >> i like the fact that it was just about, you know, dr. king
being in a room and not being that iconic speech making, marching, protesting man that we knew. >> mustache? no mustache? >> reporter: academy award nominee samuel l. jackson plays dr. king. >> it was an opportunity to create a dr. king that we don't ordinarily associate with people who were that large. >> reporter: is there a risk to that? >> it's not a risk to me. it's an opportunity. >> reporter: an opportunity both jackson and co-star angela bassett couldn't pass up. >> i love that he is seen as, and my character says this a couple times, sugar, shush. you just a man. >> reporter: the idea was inspired by katori's mother. kerry may. >> she grew up around the corner from the lorraine motel. and when dr. king came to speak in support of the sanitation workers strike at mason temple,
she wanted to go. and she asked her mother can she go to mason temple to hear dr. king speak. and big mama told her, no, you are not going to go. somebody's going to bomb that church. you know they're out to kill that man. and my mother was like, that's one of my biggest regrets. i never got a chance to hear him speak. >> i would tell katori that story basically about every time black history came about. and it just kept going on. martin luther king became one of her favorite peoples. >> reporter: hall grew up with that story walking her mother's childhood streets. >> this entire street was just, you know, full of people. miss ida. miss ruth. >> reporter: she calls memphis her muse. where she found inspiration. and her fighting spirit. >> i was the first black valedictorian. i had heard a rumor at school that the powers that be were
going to change the march into alphabetical order. we weren't going to walk in according to rank. i'd be in with the hs. when kerry may hall heard about that, my mama, said you ain't going to do that to my child. you know, i ended up walking in first. >> reporter: hall received a full scholarship to columbia university. an actor, she found few roles written for women of color. >> i was taking an acting class, and a teacher, you know, told me and my acting partner to go to the library and get play that had a scene between two young black women. we really struggled. that's when i was like, i got to write some plays, then. >> reporter: hall has written nearly a dozen plays since. she was only 26 when she finished "the mountaintop." >> it's a gift. she was meant to do it. >> i did feel even at a young age that i had walked this earth before. >> you're an old soul. >> yeah.
>> reporter: in 2009 in london, it opened to rave reviews and top awards. in retrospect, was it easier to go to london because people don't have that same ferocious love and respect for dr. king? >> absolutely. absolutely. there's cultural distance. they were also very open to judging the play on its own merits and not, you know, being disturbed over the human portrayal of dr. king. >> reporter: close to home, on broadway, there's more at stake. some are disturbed by the portrayal. >> i actually have lost 12 pounds in the past month due to stress. i have had a lot of sleepless nights. >> reporter: a lot of pressure for one of broadway's youngest playwrights. >> i would feel really sad if people didn't understand that what i'm trying to do is to show that we all can be kings and all great people are human.
it just shows that a human being was able to change the world. and you can change the world, too. >> fear makes us human. >> katori! katori, down here! >> so that moment, she's walking into the room for the first time. i mean, she's written about it obviously. what was the moment like for her? >> you know, she was so nervous going in i literally thought she might pass out. she was so anxious about it. but when we went in, she actually, big talker, she stopped talking. and she started focusing on every detail. the cigarettes in the ashtray. what was the look of the bedspread. what was in the bathroom. as a playwright she homed in on the details. she said to me, i'm not sure i got his story exactly right. it's a story from my imagination. but, really, all these years later, we'll never really know what dr. king's last night was like. >> fascinating. and for a writer, again, to be in there for the first time
having written this whole thing, just absolutely remarkable. thanks, soledad. >> for me, too. >> for you as well. thank you. coming up, plastic bags. they're everywhere. and you won't believe where they end up. you're about to meet an activist who's out to get rid of them. >> you keep feeding the bag monster. i can reproduce. >> but as you might imagine, the companies who make plastic bags, well, they're not too happy.
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plastic bags. there are trillions of them, literally trillions. it is the most abundant consumer product in the entire world, according to the guinness book of world records. >> we all use them. after seeing this report, you may have some second thoughts. amber lyon introduces you to a man whose made getting rid of plastic bags his mission. >> will you feed me some plastic? >> reporter: andy keller is the bag monster. here you go. the bag monster travels across the united states -- >> behold the bag monster! >> reporter: -- wearing costumes he creates from 500 plastic bags. >> people can come, try on a bag monster. see what it feels like to wear what you use in a single year. >> reporter: his goal, eliminate sing single use paper and plastic
bags. plastic bags do seem to be everywhere. including everywhere they shouldn't be. in the treat. up a tree. in lakes and streams. >> my whole mission is to help humanity kick their habit. >> reporter: keller's mission to save the environment is all consuming. at chicobag, his company in northern california, even the chickens get in on the act. recycling employee garbage. >> they'll take care of this compost within a day. >> reporter: chicobag sells reusable bags that can fit in your possibility. your pocket. it's keller's brain child. inspired when he visited this. the local landfill. >> nice cushion here. there's a bed frame. or a sprinkler. look at all the plastic bags. this is when it really got me. the bags were blowing around, caught on all these fences. >> reporter: andy keller is part of a growing movement of activists and politicians concerned about the environmental impact of plastic bags. cities like washington, d.c., and san francisco are taxing and even banning them.
and the concern goes well beyond land. whether plastic bags start out here on the coast or a couple thousand miles away in a river in the midwest, many of them end up right here in the ocean. so we went to see for ourselves. dawn off the coast of california. so normally when you're on boats like this, you're out looking for dolphin or fish. but, today, it's grocery bags. we're fishing for plastic bags. my fishing partner is dr. marcus erickson, who has a phd in science education. plastic and nature meet. look. erickson studies the amount and impact of plastic debris in the ocean. after successfully fishing the surface, we wondered what might be below. out here the water looks very
clear, but you never know what's lying underneath. the bags we found do more than just litter the ocean floor. this is the marine mammal center. its staff and volunteers rescue and rehabilitate sick and injured animals. >> he's not very responsive. he'll get an initial assessment. >> reporter: dr. bill van bond is director of veterinary science. >> whales, sea lions, dolphins, in my personal experience, i've seen all three of those animals with bags in them. >> reporter: if a marine mammal swallows a plastic bag can it kill the animal? >> it could. it could. but i think the bigger concern is the unseen effects of these materials. >> as those plastic bags migrate out the deep ocean, they fragment very quickly. one plastic bag can turn into 10,000 particles the size of fish food.
>> reporter: erickson has traveled to remote locations on rotating ocean currents known as gyres have trapped debris, sometimes creating what's described as an enormous plastic soup. some claim the garbage patch in the pacific ocean is the size of texas. but nobody really knows. >> we collected this debris. there are few recognizable items in here. there's a pen cap. there are two pen caps. look carefully right there. it's a toy gorilla. as far from land as you can get on the planet, we found evidence of our trash. >> reporter: and they found the remnant of a plastic bag. >> here is a plastic bag that's been knotted. evidence of plastic bags in the gyres. we're going to open these fish up and just see if they're ingesting our trash. >> reporter: erickson brought us three lantern fish from his 2008 trip to the great pacific garbage patch. >> right there, that's plastic. >> reporter: we searched their stomachs and found not plastic bags but bits of plastic garbage
in two of the three fish. this little yellow piece of plastic was inside the lantern fish's stomach. why does it worry you if something this small is in a lantern fish? >> that small fish eats pollutant laden trash. the pollutants go in its body. a bigger fish eats a small fish. then we eat that fish. it's on our dinner plates. so by a few steps, we are eating our trash and the pollutants that stick to it. >> reporter: do you know of any cases of people getting sick from consuming fish that had eaten plastic? >> i don't. the science on this is so very, very new. >> reporter: what's also new is a battle over what to do about all of this ubiquitous plastic. andy keller is now leading the charge but now he's under attack. >> reporter: why are three of the leading plastic bag companies suing andy keller and
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investigation. >> reporter: one landfill. five minutes. 55 bags. most of them -- >> hilexpoly. >> the largest plastic bag maker in the u.s. is one of three companies that have sued chicobag. andy keller's reusable bag company. >> we're recycling somewhere close to 70,000 pounds of post consumer bags, wraps, every day. >> reporter: hilexpoly's vice president gave us a tour of the company's plastic recycling plant in indiana. which it touts as the biggest in the world. daniel says many bags not recycled benefit consumers who reuse them. >> they use it for a trash can liner. one of the biggest reuses, cleaning up after a dog when you take it for a walk. >> reporter: keller has been a thorn in the company's side. in the lawsuit, hilexpoly
accused keller of unsub stangtiastangunsubstan tyated statistics on its website. >> we thought this kind of false and misleading information was not appropriate. especially for their commercial gain at the expense of us. >> reporter: how much revenue did hilexpoly use as a result of chicobags advertising. >> i'm not going to share that confidential information. >> reporter: what really bothers hilexpoly is keller's claim that most plastic bags aren't recycled. ending up as trash or litter. like what we found diving off the california coast. on his website, keller says the recycling rate is less than 1%. a rate he got from an environmental protection agency website. but hilexpoly says the epa stopped using that rate after 2005. on its website, hilexpoly uses a higher rate of 12% of plastic bags recycled.
but that rate combines bags with other plastics like shrink wrap. so you think they were inflating the number with wrap. >> well, they were. >> according to the environmental protection agency, 12% of bags, sacks and wraps are recycled. >> reporter: but there's no bags, sacks and wraps mentioned in this. it just says plastic bags are recycled. >> that would be an error on us because we want to be very clear with the american public that it's bags, sacks and wraps. >> reporter: 1% or 12%? either is a failing grade for us consumers. we do a very poor job of recycling our plastic bags. even if you intend to recycle your plastic bags, often they end up in the trash. because while hilexpoly's r re-cycling plant is state of the art, many plants look like this one in san leonder, california. when you put your recyclables in
the curbside bin, this is where they end up to be sorted and then recycled. here they say plastic bags are a nightmare. clogging machines. and few of the plastic bags ultimately get recycled. >> very few. probably 10%, 10%, 20%. because most of it is not recyclable because they're so dirty. >> reporter: china, italy and rwanda have banned or severely limited plastic bags. in the u.s., dozens of cities and some states have tried to curb their use. you authored a bill that would have banned plastic bags across the state of california. >> plastic bags and paper bags. >> reporter: who was the biggest opponent of your bill? >> the american chemistry council, for sure. they came here to sacramento and hired lobbyist and lobbyist after lobbyist. they had television ads. >> a $19 billion deficit. what are some sacramento politicians focused on? grocery bags. >> plastic bags -- >> reporter: steve russell is a vice president of the american chemistry council. a lobbying firm representing makers of plastic bags.
>> we spent almost a million dollars, most of that costs of television advertising, and that was necessary because citizens weren't being given access to complete information that was accurate and fair. >> reporter: russell says plastic bags have gotten a bad rap. he told us a local study found that 3% of plastic bags in california are recycled. you look at that number, 3%, that's 97% of california's bags, sacks and wraps are ending up in a landfill or as litter. how can 3% be a good number? >> because it started at almost zero. and it's -- it's the trend and the progress that we want to focus on. >> reporter: russell's group won the fight in california. the ban on plastic bags failed. and that's not the only battleground where the plastics industry has won. measures also were defeated in oregon and virginia.
as for andy keller, he and hilexpoly settled before going to trial. both sides made concessions in their war of words, and keller's insurance company ultimately made a payment to hilexpoly. >> and they could potentially have put me out of business. and that's the goal is under that threat, i would shut up and not say anything because i don't want to go out of business. >> reporter: but you didn't. >> i didn't. plastic bags have got to go! coming up, we go inside the controversial sport of shark fishing. then we go face to face with sharks and show who the real predators are. [ male announcer ] humana and walmart have teamed up
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remember the movie, "jaws," how scary that was? i literally did not go back into the water the rest of the summer. >> you like scary movies. >> i do. >> but there's something about sharks. the shark attacks make headlines and obviously make great ratings, we're still talking about "jaws" but in reality your chances of getting attacked by a shark are really really slim. >> and actually, sharks have
more to fear from man than we have to fear from them. sharks are in deep decline because of commercial fishing and big demands for their fins now. >> kaj larsen, he investigates how the threat to them, the sharks, can also threaten our environment. >> got to warn you, though, some of these images you're about to see are a little bit graphic. >> reporter: each summer, dozens of shark fishing tournaments are held up and down the east coast. big sharks draw big crowds and big prize money. but the tournaments have also sparked protests from the humane society of the united states. shark populations are crashing around the world. roughly a third of all shark and ray species face some threat of extinction. without them, the marine food web could start to unravel. native new englander captain dave johnson doesn't let the controversy stop him. >> you guys see those sturgeon jumping? >> reporter: a neuroscientist by day and big game fisherman on
the weekends, he started a shark fishing tournament in saco, maine, to raise money for a local charity. >> we're measuring the fork length on this shark. there he goes. >> reporter: we got 20 boats cruising out shark fishing today. what happens next? >> these guys are competitive fishermen. they want to win the tournament. they want to win it for bragging rights. they'll win some money and nice prizes. >> reporter: all day long one shark after another takes the bait. >> he doesn't know he's got a hook in him yet. that's for sure. >> still in neutral. >> stay in neutral. >> reporter: and one after another is released. >> all right. cut it. >> reporter: none big enough to be entered into the tournament. >> thank you, brother.
sorry, buddy. >> reporter: but these big sharks aren't so lucky. back at the dock, they're being hauled in. each shark is weighed, measured and sampled for research on shark populations. some are also eaten. an estimated 73 million sharks are killed each year by commercial fisheries. millions die by finning to feed the growing demand for shark fin soup in asia. if sharks are being depleted in the ocean, why do you still run a kill tournament as opposed to just a catch and release tournament? >> the amount of sharks that we kill is way under the federal guidelines. shark tournaments and recreational fishermen have extremely small effect on sharks in the ocean. less than 1%. >> reporter: while their overall take of sharks is small, there's growing pressure to stop the
killing of sharks in these tournaments. >> what we can do is work to turn these tournaments into catch and release. at least then these animals have some ability to survive and continue. >> reporter: marine biologist luke tipple is on a mission to protect sharks. what would terrify most people is just a day's work for the 32-year-old australian native. we met up in the bahamas. >> actually, the marina we're in right now was one of the first shark-free marinas in the bahamas. >> reporter: we were recently at a shark fishing tournament in maine. their argument was they barely make any dent in the shark populations. >> they're right. in some respects if that was the only game in town, realistically they wouldn't be having that much of a significant impact on the sharks. but the fact is they are targeting the larger breeding adults. so when you add that to the cumulative effect of the much
larger scale finning that's going on around the world, it does actually have an impact. >> reporter: sharks are an apex predator, which means they're at the very top of the marine food chain. they grow slowly, mature late and produce few young. making them vulnerable to overfishing. >> we're supposed to have a certain number of sharks to be able to control all of these animals which are below them. what we do is take out that apex and allow a lot of other fish to breed underneath them. they basically annihilate everything below them. that leads to terrific collapse which means we don't have a healthy ocean system and we won't be able to pull food or product from there anymore. >> reporter: the bahamas once had a large shark population. now many species are threatened, so the bahamas banned commercial shark fishing. that's helped more divers and tourist dollars
to the islands. coming back with all these. all ten of these. luke and i jump in to see some sharks up close. ♪ wow. they were right there. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: but outside of sanctuaries like this one, sharks remain at risk. >> this is going to be tricky as usual. >> reporter: back at the shark tournament in maine, no luck for captain dave johnson. >> okay? jump off. >> reporter: the winners reeled in a 268-pound thresher shark and a big mako. >> removing these large animals and