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quote, demonstrating a continued willingness to meet their mortgage obligations should be recognized and encouraged, not dampened with incentives to not continue paying. also it says that it would add to the overall taxpayer burden which is obviously massive when it comes to fannie and freddie. it's complicated. there's no easy solution on this one. >> all right. felicia, thanks. good to see you. top of the hour. i'm suzanne malveaux. want to get you up to speed. the parents of florida teenager trayvon martin are about to hold a news conference. plus, we expect an announcement soon from special prosecutor angela corey. she says she's going to release new information on the teen's shooting death within three days. and this is happening amid new concerns about the whereabouts of george zimmerman, the man who says he shot the unarmed 17-year-old in self-defense. even his lawyers have lost contact with him and now have quit the case.
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tsunami, no. emergency, yes. a massive earthquake rattled the coast of indonesia today not far from where the killer quake and tsunami hit back in 2004. the ground has not stopped shaking yet. we're hearing about aftershocks several hours since the initial quake. disaster officials are fearing a repeat of 2004. they sent out a tsunami warning to the entire indian ocean. so far no reports of serious damage or injuries. syrian government says it will end fighting by tomorrow's deadline. that's according to special envoy kofi annan who says he received a letter agreeing to the cease-fire from the syrian foreign ministry. but the government says it is reserving the right to respond to attacks from, quote, what they're calling armed terrorist groups. opposition members say at least 30 people have been killed today. for mitt romney it's all but certain now. rick santorum's exit clears the path for romney to win the republican nomination.
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we're going to talk about the road ahead. want to bring in senior political analyst david gergen. it looks like, david, it is game on now looking forward to the general election. big question a lot of people are wondering here is what does mitt romney need to do right now to get santorum's endorsement and more importantly to get the social conservatives behind him? >> reporter: well, suzanne, this is going to be a delicate process because on one hand mitt romney does need to solidify his relationships. on the other hand, he does not want to seem to be pandering. so i think he needs to spend some quiet time reaching out, talking with a number of conservatives, especially mr. santorum. i think their first meeting hopefully from a romney point of view he would receive the endorsement at the end of that meeting. but i think, on the other hand, he has to face this fact, suzanne, which is very, very important. these primaries in effect sucked
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mitt romney to the right in the positions he took, especially on social issues as he chased after the so-called santorum social conservative vote. he got himself mired into some of these women's issues like contraception and so forth which i think have -- cost him among independents and cost him especially among women. so he's got to be careful now that he no longer is seen as being sucked to the right or pandering to the right but becoming his own person. who is mitt romney himself? we don't even know what he's like within social environments. we need to know who is mitt romney, what kind of president will he make, you know, and be very, very clear about what kind of presidency he would have. >> how does he go up against president obama who has really i mean all of the tools here, the bully pulpit to bring attention to these issues. today he was hosting millionaires and their secretaries at the white house to promote the buffett rule here. how does he counter something like that? >> well, you know, i don't think
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the hill is quite as steep as some people think it is. he's behind. he does run as the underdog, i think. but on the other hand president obama has an economy which is not sparking yet. the growth is still frge jilagi. where i think mitt romney has to assert himself, on the buffett rule there's much to be said about people who are really rich in this country not paying their fair share, but the buffett rule only makes a small dent in the bigger picture of a nation in debt. if you put the buffett rule in place, it would amount to less than 0.5%, less than one half of 1% of the deficits we're facing. on one hand it's kind of a gimmick the president is playing with, but more importantly mitt romney has to be for the position that jack kemp used to take and that is we shouldn't be punishing successful people in this country. what we ought to be doing is creating more successful people. making sure that paths are open for people who are born in
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modest circumstances, people who are born as members of minority groups, people who are women who have a chance to make their way to the top to realize their dreams. and in too many cases, those pathways are blocked today. mitt romney ought to be the candidate who says i'm not for the status quo. i'm for unblocking and providing ladders for people and letting them climb out. >> it sounds like it's going to be a difficult case for both of these men to make, the fact they're harvard grads and millionaires. >> let's not go too hard on the harvard -- >> we're both harvard people, but absolutely trying to appeal to that middle class. it will be interesting to see. >> the middle class is suffering in this country, and we've heard a lot from mitt romney but i don't think he's yet connected on how he would see the middle class prospering and growing and bringing economic growth to the country. >> all right. david gergen, thanks. go crimson. >> thank you. here is a rundown of some of the stories we're covering over the next hour. nobody knows where george zimmerman is. we're going to hear from the
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parents of trayvon martin about what they think about his disappearance. and then he sent his followers on a killing spree more than 40 years ago. now charles manson up for patroe for possibly the last time. later, i'm going to get some hard core workout tips from one of america's most famous trainers, my interview is dolvett quince from "the biggest loser." th. is that possible? [announcer:] at conocophillips, we're helping power america's economy with cleaner, affordable natural gas. more jobs. less emissions. a good answer for everyone. well, if it's cleaner and affordable. as long as we keep these safe. there you go. thanks. [announcer:] conocophillips. with diabetes to finish the indy 500. i live in the fast lane. i need on-the-go insulin delivery. that's why i use novolog® flexpen®.
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joining us from sanford, florida. martin, tell us, first of all, why are the parents coming forward with a news conference? do we think this is going to be something new that's going to be revealed? why are they speaking? >> reporter: well, you know, it's not quite clear, suzanne. we do know that they have been very accessible to the media from the very beginning. that's part of the reason their story has received such nationwide attention, even in the difficult times, even having to repeat answers to difficult questions over and over. they have made themselves accessible to the media. it's clear in light of yesterday's dramatic developments, not knowing according to the former defense team of george zimmerman where he is and some questions of his mental health, i think they're ready to talk further about it and that's probably what this is all about. >> we talked to them yesterday. it seemed like they were exhausted and beaten down in some ways. their traveling schedule is incredible now that they are actually going to be making a statement in washington, d.c. do we have a sense of whether or not they feel any hope that this
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is going to be wrapped up soon, that there will be some sort of charge coming from the special prosecutor? >> reporter: you know, they have expressed that. in fact, that was part of the reaction when they heard that angela corey said she wasn't going to use a grand jury. one of the first things that the family's response was, that they thought this was a good thing and that they were now having full faith in her ability to come up with a decision. now, it's no secret that the decision they would like to hear is that george zimmerman is put under arrest and eventually put on trial for the shooting of their son. they have had -- recently you have noticed that they are -- it could be part exhaustion, but they seem to have a very solid determination, and that is coming out in the press conferences and in the interviews they give. speaking of angela corey, she was talking a few weeks ago about why an arrest had not happened. of course, that's what's so frustrating to many people. here is her explanation then. >> you make an arrest on
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probable cause and you can't prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, then that's a short window of time that the perpetrator will serve in jail. we always try to work with the police to build stronger cases before we make the arrest. >> reporter: that's fairly elemental, but it also explains the clear thinking judiciously in her mind. she has a clear idea of how the law is applied, and she is using that as a guide for the decision she has to make now. everyone agrees it is a tough decision either way. >> martin, thank you. i want to bring in criminal defense attorney holly hughes to talk a little bit about this. you said you really feel like everybody involved here is not doing the right thing, people are making mistakes and behaving badly. can you explain, starting with zimmerman's attorneys who said we quit this because we can't find the guy. >> right. and everybody is getting away from the fact that we need to keep the focus on this is a
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shooting, and what we need to know is was it a justified shooting. let's go back to the fact there's a dead teenager here and stop making it about my 15 minutes of fame. i see so many folks getting in front of the camera and they want to have a big riot and talk about their issues, and when you talk about these defense attorneys coming on television, national television, what they should have done in my opinion is said, we no longer represent george zimmerman. thank you. and leave. but what they did was basically throw their former client under the bus. they're talking about he's mentally unstable. he is having some kind of breakdown. remember, suzanne, they've never even met the man. they are not mental health experts. they can't give that kind of diagnosis. >> one thing they did do, holly, is they did defend him. they said this morningd a, and want our viewers to listen to this, they said this guy is kind and he did act in self-defense.
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>> we believe there's information and evidence in the possession of the prosecutor, the investigators, the police department, the department of law enforcement that if publicly known might change some of the course of public opinion. we're not at liberty to disclose it. we don't have possession of it. what little we know might disclose the confidence as to where we learned about it and we're simply not going to go there. >> is he being tried in the court of public opinion here? does he have a shot at justice? >> it's going to be extremely hard to find a fair and impartial jury at this point because this case has been so polarizing. the entire world is watching. this is not just the american press who is interested in this. i have seen other countries reporting on this at this point in time. i have actually been called by other news agencies in canada and said can you talk about it. so everybody is watching, and that makes it very, very difficult for a fair trial to be had, and i'm not taking one side or the other, but i am saying
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that at this point everyone who is charged with a crime deserves a fair trial, and it's going to be incredibly difficult. one of the things you and i talked about on the break, i think it's extremely important to remember george zimmerman has been described as he's on the lamb, he lam, he's on the run. he's not been charged with a crime. he's not on the run, he's not on the lam. he's not absconded. he doesn't have any restrictions on him. he can travel freely just like you and i could. >> and you said he could leave the country. >> of course he could. he's not under indictment. he's not facing a criminal charge right now. again, i'm not sticking up for him. i want to know what happened out there. i want the facts, and if it's not a justified shooting, i want him in front of a trial court. >> he could face charges. let me ask you this, what do you make of the fact he's disappeared, that people don't know where he is, the attorneys don't nou where he is. does that indicate somebody who is potentially desperate and doesn't feel protected because
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where could he possibly go in this country where he would not be faced with somebody who wants to get him? >> that's exactly right. we have all seen his face on the news for a month and a half now. it's been 40-some days, right? he is probably, safe to say, the most hated man in america right now. and so do you really think he could go get a plane ticket. is he going to check in at the airport and say here is my i.d., george zimmerman. he can't even stop for gas at this point. the fact he's in hiding, it tells me he's scared because we hear a lot of rhetoric and a lot of folks who, again, aren't thinking about a legal court of justice. they want to take justice into their own hands. there's been a group announcing a $1 million bounty on his head. if somebody announced a $1 million bounty on my head, suzanne, i'd be in hiding, too, quite frankly. i don't want to take that chance. >> we have to see where he is, whether or not he ends up being charged, and obviously we'll be listening to the victim's parents this hour as well because, as you rightfully bring
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up, this is about the death of a boy. >> right. >> a young boy. >> absolutely. >> we'll leave it there. thank you. >> thanks. he said a beatles song inspired him to send his followers on a killing spree. that was decades ago. now charles manson's lawyer says it's time he get out of prison. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪
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it's parole hearing day for charles manson. this is what he looked like back in 1969 when he went to prison for persuading his followers to kill seven people. this is what he looks like today. he's 77 years old. he's been up for parole 11 times, always denied. manson's attorney tells cnn he's going to argue his client should be in a hospital, not a prison cell.
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manson has not attended a parole hearing in 15 years. whenever charles manson is in the news it's particularly tough for one man in los angeles. he plefs thbelieves that charle is his father. >> i live in uncertainty and chaos. >> reporter: matthew roberts is a haunted man. is he the son, the spawn, of charles manson? >> it's like holy hell it certainly does seem like it's more than just possible but probable. >> reporter: roberts adopted as an infant had, by all accounts, a normal childhood in rockford, illinois. in 1998 at age 30 he sought out his birth mother, a rek ucluse living in wisconsin who told him he was conceived in 1967 in san francisco where she met manson at a drug-fueled orgy. one account i read of that orgy, there were four men present. >> that's how i understand it. there was a 1 in 4 chance. >> reporter: robert says he wasn't convinced his birth
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mother knew manson until he began exchanging letters with prisoner b-33920. in those letters manson quoted things only his birth mother would know, stories about her early life. so sure he's manson's son, robert has twice tried to get a dna match. the test though inconclusive. manson's dna sample contaminated. >> unless i see somebody scrape a piece of skin off his ass and bring it to the lab, i want to know that i know. >> reporter: what is unmistakable is not just that roberts looks like manson. here are two photos, both in their 30s. a striking resemblance. the eyes, nose, mouth, and forehead. but it is the way roberts speaks and what he says that sounds eerily familiar. >> because every time you send somebody after me they can't find me because i'm not really there in your minds. sgroo i know what goes on in my head. you guys can only guess, but i know what goes on.
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>> reporter: even more eerie the similarities between the two men run deep. roberts is a mill gant vegetarian, pacifist, and considers himself an environmentalist. claims also made by charles manson. roberts moved to l.a. in 1986 and, like manson, wanted to be famous. a rock star. ♪ so welcome to the world >> reporter: roberts band new rising sun is pure rock and roll. manson's music more folksy and at times downright weird. ♪ today roberts pays the bills working at the blue zebra cabaret in l.a.'s san fernando valley. >> two for one. >> reporter: he's been accused of cashing in on manson's notoriety. roberts says it's anything but. >> it's ruined my career. it has got me nothing but grief. >> reporter: roberts just wants to know the truth before the now 77-year-old manson dies. >> if he is my father, then it
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would be nice to have laid eyes on him and been in person -- person to person with him once in my lifetime. >> reporter: for now matthew roberts lives with a hope and a fear of knowing who his father is. >> miguel marquez is joining us from los angeles. miguel, this guy, matthew roberts, says he hopes and fears that his father is charles manson. he certainly kind of looks like him. why is he eager to find out either way? >> reporter: to put it to rest, for peace of mind really more than anything. he does say if he had to do it all over again, he would never go down this road again. he at this point just wants to know definitively whether he is or not. those two dna tests he's tried just have never worked. they were inconclusive. they couldn't get a good enough sample of manson's dna. >> does he have anything else to gain from having such a notorious father? >> reporter: well, he has a band and a lot of people have said, look, he's just cashing in, trying to promote his band, he's
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doing this and doing that. to his credit he hasn't sought out a lot of fame about this. people do contact him. we contacted him to do an interview. so he doesn't really seek it out, but he says for any good it may have done, for any notoriety that he may glean off of it, it's taken away so much more. and at this point i really get the sense this guy just wants to know. it's worth noting that i was skeptical before going into the interview and afterwards i thought his claim seemed a lot more true than i thought before. >> do we have any idea the chances are of him ever meeting charles manson in person? >> reporter: unlikely. manson has to agree to it. they haven't had any contact by letter since 2007. manson is a mercurial figure. he gets upset with just about anything. they had a falling out after several years of communications. if it can be proved definitively he is his son it possibly opens the door to a meeting before manson's death.
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>> all right. miguel marquez, thank you. here is a rundown of some of the stories we're working on. next, it is something you can find in almost any medicine cabinet in america. could be a powerful new tool for the fight against cancer. and then dieting doesn't mean going hungry anymore. if you stick to these super foods. later i will get a chance to flex a little muscle with one of the personal trainers from the hit show "the biggest loser." ne, there are no straight lines. only the twists and turns of an unpredictable industry. so the eighty-thousand employees at delta... must anticipate the unexpected. and never let the rules overrule common sense. this is how we tame the unwieldiness of air travel, until it's not just lines you see... it's the world.
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well, you have to do that in moderation. and from super foods to super size washgoorkouts, my next gues made it his mission to change lives one rep at a time. joining me is certified fitness trainer dolvett quince from "the biggest loser." dolvett, it's my favorite show. >> that is good to know. >> it's inspiring, really inspiring. everybody kind of needs that. i notice last night it was you, the white house, the first lady, how did she do? >> she did great. i don't know if you saw the episode -- >> i did. >> she was sweating. she was loving the workout. i yelled at her a little bit, she yelled at me. it was great. i was at home. >> you're a screamer, too. kind of scares me a little bit when i watch. >> i'm a bit of a screamer, but you know what? i'm passionate about what i do. i try to draw the passion out of everyone that kind of encapsulates it and puts it away. so i want you to find the inner athlete in you and it's not
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going to come by whispering. it never has and it never will. >> what draws you to the show? you have written before that you have your own demons that you have overcome and you relate to the folks there because those folks, i mean, they have got a big, big climb. >> i think it's the relation ofover coof overcoming circumstances that weren't in my control. often people who are obese say certain things aren't in their control. they use food for comfort. my job is to help tap into psychological what is your ssh that keeps you going back to this addiction? and hopefully not making it something that after the show you go back to, but you change your lifestyle and in a healthy way. >> what was your issue? >> the issue that i suffered from -- i'm adopted and as an adopted child i wasn't very close to my adopted parents. so both abuse physically and mentally. i had to overcome those. i was surrounded by some great people.
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a lot of times they say it takes a village to raise a child, and i was truly in an environment that everyone was learning as i grew up, both my adopted parents and us as kids. >> we see on the show a lot of times where the workouts are really intense. >> yes. >> and how much of this and controlling your body and your health is about the workouts and extreme exercise and how much of it is about diet? >> i would say the percentage -- the key is in the kitchen. the key is in the kitchen. if you can transform the way you eat, everybothing from portion size to the quality of food, your body will have the energy to have a great exercise. but you can't eat bad things that make you lethargic, fried foods, heavy things, your workouts are going to be limited in your ability. it has to be the proper marriage. >> we see those folks losing a lot of weight. is it typical they gain the weight back after the show or do they do well in keeping it off?
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>> most people do well. we have a high percentage of people that come off this show that do extremely well. those that do fail psychologically they're not where they should be. so it's still some fat in the brain they need to get off. >> fat in the brain. i have a little fat in the body as well. i'm not going to let you go away without at least showing me how to do a little something. >> you want to do a little something? if you're ready, i'm ready. >> people at lunchtime -- >> i got this cast on right now from a workout but we're still going to get it in for you. >> what do i need to do? >> let's do some dips. i'm a huge fan of toning the back of your arm. stand in front of this bench and have a seat face forward. good. slide your rump off of the bench and let your rump go up and down, down and up. that's it. doing this, pressing your own body weight, you're toning your arms. you feel that working? >> yeah, i do. my arms are like -- >> absolutely. >> i can feel them. my arms are shaking. >> two more. give it to me. one more, good job.
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have a seat, have a seat. grab the bench right behind you. stay right there. grab it. you got it. bring your knees to your chest. this particular workout, up and down, back and forth. give me those reps. if you notice -- >> careful, i got you. nothing is going to happen. bring it up and down. >> that's all abs. >> that's all abs. >> upper and lower. >> can you do this at work? >> lunch break. love this one. a lot of people just concentrate on their upper abs. you're working your lower abs, too. we have some weights behind us. five-pounders right there. good. put the weights by your ear and press it straight up to the ceiling. again. at home, at work, wherever you are. you can do things like this. you're toning your arms. look at you shaking. i love it. i love it. keep going. >> this is great. >> you have 400 more.
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401. good. there you go. >> thank god we've got a break coming up. >> good job. finish out with some biceps. tone the front of your arms. one at a time. go. >> one at a time. one at a time. >> one at a time. >> all right. you know what in this break is going to save me. we're going to take a quick break and we'll have more in just a few minutes. >> keep going, keep going. we're not done yet. >> are you kidding me? >> we're not done yet. keep moving. let's go-let's go. pick it up! pick it up! there you go. good job. you know, because you been, you know, this is what you had been doing. you know, working, working, working, working, working, working. and now you're talking about, well you know, i won't be, and i get the chance to spend more time with my wife and my kids. it's my world. that's my world. ♪
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enormously popular movie "the hunger games" getting a sequel but it's going to have a different director. nischelle tell us why gary ross turned down making the film. >> i will, but first of all, you're not going to let me get away with not saying anything to you about that workout. i'm telling you, dolvett was giving you the business, suzanne. >> he started yelling at me. >> you looked good.
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>> he started yelling at me like he normally does on that show. he got me moving. >> exactly. you were like, okay, you don't have to yell, i'm going to do it. definitely let's talk some "hunger games." very surprising news. the director of the blockbuster gary ross is not going to be participating in the sequel essentially due to the tight turn around times. both ross and the studio behind the movie are calling the parting amicable, and gary released an emotional statement. he called "the hunger games" the happiest experience of his professional life. he added i have decided not to direct "catching fire." as a writer and drether i simply don't have the time i need to write and prep the movie i would have wanted to make because of the fixed and tight production schedule. there was a little talk about maybe they couldn't come to terms on money, but as far as gary saying publicly it's about time. >> all right. nir shelnischelle, i'm going to
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since u.s. special forces killed the most wanted man in the world. new details about the mission that took out osama bin laden are coming from those in the know. the fresh account of the tense, agonizing moments during the bin laden raid comes from secretary of state hillary clinton. at a conference at a u.s. naval ak demly s lycademy she talked extraordinary moments huddling in the white house situation room as the mission unfolded. >> when we gathered that sunday, it was a pretty intense, tense, stressful time because the people who were actually doing it on the ground were thousands of miles away. we did have good communications, so in the white house there's a large situation room in the whole protected sort of secret area in the basement, and there are smaller rooms. so we were in one of the smaller
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rooms when the attack began, and we were able to have some communication, so we were in realtime aware of what was happening. and i'm not sure anybody breathed for, you know, 35 or 37 minutes, and for me the worst part was when one of the helicopters, if you remember looking at drawings of what the compound looked like, there was a yard, and there was a wall, and as the helicopter went in, the tail got stuck, and it was not flyable. that had been planned for, but it was still somewhat, you know, worrisome that this had occurred. >> last hour i talked with our national security contributor fran townsend about watching this mission play out like that in realtime.
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>> welcome to technology. the ability to actually track a mission in realtime inside the west wing of the white house in the situation room is new. we often would have -- not a raid on a bin laden compound. obviously the tension associated with that and the risk is much higher, but we would have counterterrorism operations where we were working with partners around the world, and i and others from the inner agency would be collating and assembly information but it was nowhere near realtime. >> authorities used dna and facial recognition technology to confirm that it was bin laden who was killed in the raid. well, the images we are used to seeing from liberia are of war, poverty, child soldiers. now there are new glimmers of hope. we're going to get a look at the changing face of this african nation. of general mills big g cereal, there's more whole grain than any other ingredient. that's why it's listed first. get more whole grain than any other ingredient... just look for the white check.
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it's still one of the poorest countries in the world but there's a new spirit of hope. our brenda bush is from lie bear -- liberia and she went back to visit. she's reporting the country is making a comeback. >> reporter: i turned a corner and came up on these kids dancing in the streets. and it struck me, almost ten years ago children this age were killing and dying in these same streets. i will never forget the horrific images of liberia's child soldie soldiers, armed and deadly. it was difficult to watch my country, the place i was born and raised, embroiled in one of the most brutal civil wars. i was one of the lucky ones because i was able to flee the violence. i have made many trips back to visit family through the years, but this time the spirit is different. liberia is clearly making a
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comeback and the family member i'm visiting now is my very american daughter who decided to move to liberia after college. she says this is one of her favorite places in the city. a sprawling marketplace. everything can be found here for a bargain. from handmade bags and shoes to carvings, clothes, and food, but you have got to love to shop to hang out down here. broad street which runs through the heart of downtown is another bustling part of the city. the quickest though not the safest way to get around is to hop on a motor bike. there's a constant whirring sound. you can escape it all at the beach. tourists aren't exactly flocking to liberia yet, but they are starting to come. several hotels have opened up.
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liberians have a saying that the country is sweeter. >> this is an amazing time for liberia. everybody knows liberia is on a path to sustained peace. >> this is a place to be right now. just had to be part of it. >> reporter: there's no doubt that a long, difficult road is ahead of this struggling nation by the sea. an entire generation of children was unable to go to school because of the war. so for me the sight of kids with their backpacks heading to school is the promise for this country's future. i know many liberian children still have a heavy load to bear, but there are no longer child soldiers on these streets and hopefully one day all the liberian children will have a reason to dance. >> brenda bush is with us now. that's just a beautiful peace. i'm so glad you did this, that you went back to your home country and you were visiting your daughter. it's just a wonderful story, a
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personal story as well. >> thank you. >> tell us a little bit about what it was like. >> i have been back many, many times. i think this time you could just feel the change. the spirit is so different. you know, this is still very much a war-torn country, so i don't want people to think all is well in liberia, it liberia,. there's still lack of water, lack of electricity. there's lack of education, lack of health care, those things still exist. but the change is without a doubt in the mood of the people. there's optimism. it's reflective of africans' fight -- we have this fight in us to survive. and really it's the human spirit, really. all people, you know? so coming out of this war, people are really ready to improve their lives and we see it, i could see it. and i was just so happy. and i believe it, coming from you. you talked about how there were
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these child soldiers. do you think that violence that is -- will that come back? >> that is the horror of our history. we had children who were killers. they were forced to kill, taught to kill. and they were brutal. so we, the government with the international community has really done a lot to change the children from excombatants. we literally turned a corner and there were these children dancing. it was my husband, my daughter and me. they were doing the dougie, dancing hip hop. my husband and i sat and looked. we said, our children have their
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childhoods back. >> wow, that is so powerful. it gave us chills. >> and tell me a lit bit about your daughter. you talk about her all the time with our team. we want the rest of the country to ne about her as well. she decided to move back. was that surprising for you? >> it was crazy. here's this girl who grew up in georgia, but she went back because she loved liberia. i thought why would you give up electricity, running water. you have to bathe in a bucket. bucket baths, candles. she went and stayed in the home where i grew up. and it was just -- you now know what, so many other children born in america by liberian parents are moving back to liberia. they love this country. and they are ready to make a change there. and i said, you know what, this is a nation making a comeback. i love it. >> well, your daughter is doing amazing things. brenda, you did an amazing job the reporting that you did. it's very moving, very touching.
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and all on your vacation, too. you don't stop. >> well, you know, suzanne, i have to say, i was there for the bloodshed when it started, and to see this country now, you know, i was able to leave because my father had money. people in liberia were not able to leave. the poor people. they were the one who suffered the most. so to go back and see things getting better, there's nothing like it. >> it's unbelievable. well, thanks. it's very inspiring, brenda. very proud to have you as a team member. >> thank you. >> all right, forget those whiskey blues. it is bourbon boom. that's right, sweet southern whiskey catching on with a whole new generation. that's good for the stillries and the state of kentucky. take a look. [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day
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>> jim beam may sound like your grandfather's drink, but it's making a resurgence i shouaroun world. >> reporter: bourbon, perhaps not since prohibition have this many people wanted to drink it. what has happened in just the last past few years with bour n bourbon? >> it's going through a renaissance. exporting bourbon around the world. people from us a stral dia,
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germany, the uk, the far east. they's discovering bourbon and liking it. >> reporter: the great grandson of jim beam took us on a tour of their stillry. >> this is bourbon country? >> yes, ma'am. right where we're standing, within 65% of where we are, 95% of the world's bourbon is produce pd. >> there are more barrels of bourbon in kentucky right now than people. 4.7 million barrels aging in the bluegrass state. >> we have almost 2 million barrels of bourbon aging here at our facility. >> reporter: but why the popularity now? >> it has heritage, craftsmanship, authenticity, and people want to hear those story ps . >> reporter: who maybe it's the "mad men" effect. >> bourbon was considered your dad's drink or grand dad's drink. nobody fooled with it much.
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it's grown leaps and bounds. >> reporter: or maybe it's the women. >> we're learning that hey, the female market is a big market. and for year, everybody neglected the women because they never thought they would drink bourbon. last year alone, almost $1.4 billion of liquor was exporting in america. almost 70% of that was whiskey. and a big portion, bourbon. why? because you can't make it just anywhere. in 1964, congress decreed bourbon a distinct product of the united states. that's what's keeping these jobs in kentucky. >> it is america's native spirit. it's as america as it gets. >> reporter: and america still sells. >> is this the busiest year you've had yet? >> oh, yes. >> reporter: makers mark shipped out 12 million bottles of bourbon last year. jim beam turns out 180 bottles a
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minute. and the kentucky bourbon trail gets 450,000 visits a year. this is one thing you can never outsource no matter what. >> no, ma'am. this is something we've been doing in kentucky. we've been doing it for over 200 years and we'll do it for 200 years in the future. >> how much is the international market creating that boom? >> you' got this wealthier class rising in india, in china. they are buying this all of a sudden. that's a big part. when we talk about the lo el economy and the questions about china's growth, that plays into this. if they continue not to do as well, that's going to mean the production in kentucky will fall because the demand won't be as high. but they haven't seen that at all right now. it was so interesting to see such an american industry doing so well and what it means for this very rural small towns in kentucky, but congress declared that bourbon has to come from the united states.
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>> and how many jobs dpung it actually creates here? >> when you taukt beam, which owns jim beam, they own maker's mark, may ear the biggest liquor companies in the world, they increased their jobs in kentucky. they went from 650 jobs five years ago to 950 jobs. they' invested millions and they're going to continue to. they're the biggest liquor company in the u.s. so it's good to see that happening there. >> thank you, poppy. good report, as always. cnn news room continues right fwhou brooke bald when. >> thank you so much. hi, everyone. i'm brooke baldwin. stories kwpt rapid fire" style, let's go. eric holder amounsed that the federal government is going after apple and two book publishers for allegedly trying to fix the price of e books. mcmillan and penguin. keep in mind, there are three other publishers.
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harper collins and simon and shuster did settle with the d.o.j. today, promising they will no longer take part here. the attorney general eric holder saying e-book buyers have been paying $2 to $3 more per book because of this, to quote him, conspiracy. also, trayvon martin's parents are on edge today. they're waiting to see if the man who shot and killed their son will be charged. the special prosecutor today says she will make an announcement on this case by friday. martin's parents are appearing in a news conference with the reverend al sharp ton right now. and not even the former attorney for martin's shooter, george zimmerman, know where is he is. >> i will not tell you where he is because i don't know. you can stop looking in florida. look much further away than that. >> more on that coming pup. also president obama gave a speech to millionaires and their
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secretaries in washington today. he came to promote what's being called the buffet rule. it would tax millionaires at a men mum rate of 30%. president obama says it's about tax fairness and he's considering a change. what ronald reagan was calling for then is what we're calling for now, a basic return to fairness and responsibility, everybody doing their part. and if it will help convince folks in congress to make the right choice, we can call it the reagan rule instead of the buffet rule. >> it is day one of the general election campaign. mitt romney emerges as the republican's kmois to challenge the president. and guess what romney is talking about today? actually, don't guess too hard. we're gong to have that in a moment. also for the 12th time, mass murderer charles manson comes up for parole today. and for the 12th time, the parole board turned him down.
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in fact, he didn't show up. manson, now 77 years of age, was convicted of 1969 murders of sharon tate and six others. also not just one but two powerful earthquakes hit off the coast of indonesia. the first quake had a magnitude 8.6. the other, 8.2. we are told there have been blackouts, traffic jams from people just running to higher ground, but so far, no word of any deaths. keep in mind, this is the same area, just off the island that was hit by that quake and massive stsunami back in 2004, killing more than 200,000 people. today's earthquake was a different type, resulting in no serious threat of tsunamis there. today bobby petrino woke up as the former head coach of the university of arkansas. he was fired for lying about an inappropriate relationship with a 25-year-old female employee.
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petrino did apologize saying, quote, he has no one to blame but myself, end quote. the affair went public after the two were involved in a motorcycle accident. and sometime over the course of the next couple of days, the north plans to launch a long-range rocket. it says the goal is to put a satellite into orbit. they say this is perfectly peaceful, but the u.s. calls it a disguised ballistic missiles test, which threatens regional security. meantime, south korea calls it a grave provocation and japan says it will shoot the rocket down if it violates japanese air space. and a heart breaking story of a bride with just a short time to live with good hearted people ready to jump in and pay for a bride's dream come true. the trouble is, the cancer story was a lie. >> it was very convincing. she cut off her hair, shaved her
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head in spots. she seemed it. >> there's lots of ways to trick people. to come up with that story? it's pretty hurtful. >> the story was more than hurtful. this weeking, a new york grand jury charged her with felony fraud and grand larceny. and we are just getting started here. a lot more in the next two hours. watch this. it's the big question -- where is george zimmerman? and it comes as the prosecutor announces expect news very soon. the man who replaces osama bin laden on the most wanted list is a schoolteacher. and the feds worry he could be posing as a tutor. plus a woman spent years telling everyone she survived the 9/11 world trade center attacks, but then a dark secret is revealed. she wasn't even there. and a dad opens his newborn's cough fen only to realize the
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baby is still breathing.
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apple is accused of using low ball tactics to make its very, very high profits. three publishers settled with federal prosecutors hours after they filed the suit. now, prosecutors say these companies had back room deals that have caused you to pay
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about $2, $3, $4, $5 more for an ebook. and the attorney general now says it was the mission to go after amazon which had been selling e books for just $9.99. >> between regular near quarterly meetings, we allege public executives discussed confidential business and competitive matters including amazon's ebook retailing practices as part of a conspiracy to raise, fix and stabilize retail prices. in addition, we allege that these publishers agreed to impose a new model which would enable them to seize pricing authority from bookstores. >> i would like to give you a flavor of egregiousness of the alleged behavior which took place at the highest levels of these companies by providing you with some of the statements from our complaint. we allege that ceos of the
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publish issers bemoaned the wretched $9.99 price point. one executive said that the goal is less to compete with amazon as to force it to accept a higher level than $9.99. and yet another, we've always known that unless other publishers follow us, there's no chance of success in getting amazon to change its pricing practices. our complaint also quotes apple's then ceo steve jobs as saying the customer pays a little more, but that's what you want. and he's referring to the publishers. >> i want to bring in dan simon, live for us in couupertino, california. how is apple responding? are they saying anything about these allegations? >> well, apple is not commenting right now. that's pretty typical when they
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face controversy. at first, they don't talk. but a way to approach this is to go back in time and talk about the evolution of e books. we know that e books are the future and printed books are going to be phased out over time. but if you look at e books, amazon basically admitted the e book with the kindle. it was a huge success and they were charging the books at a fairly low price. about $10. then all of a sudden the ipad comes around and the publishers want to figure out how they can sell the books for money money. they come up with a deal with apple and apple agrees the publishers to set their own prices for the books, unlike amazon. amazon was setting their own prices. and apple was taking a cut of the proceeds. well, in turn, the publishers go back to amazon and say we want the same deal from you or we're not going to sell you the books. so amazon was also forced to charge the higher price for the books. so that's where we are and that's why the department of
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justice filed this lawsuit. >> so it's pretty obvious to see, the fluctuation in prices when you look at amazon versus something you find with a. but the question is, who waved the flag to the department of justice that said hang on a second, this isn't fair? '. >> well, it was clear for anyone buying books a couple of years ago, you saw prices drastically went up, that prompted an investigation by the d.o.j. they started look into this immediately when the ipad went on sale a couple of years ago. so for the consumers who are used to paying $10 for an e book all of a sudden they were paying maybe $15 for an ebook. and remember, these books generate enormous profits for the publishers. there's no printing involved. you don't have to put the hard cover on top. so the profit margins are much greater for ebooks than for regular books. >> you point out, i know if you want to buy a best seller,
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people were willing to pay $15 up to $20 with the news today with the department of justice for the ebook readers out there, might this mean that the prices go down? or will they stay right where they are? >> well, as a result of the settlement, they agree to stop the price fixing scheme, if you will. so in the short term it's going to mean a reduction, i think, for consumers who go on to amazon and purchase books. amazon is going to be free to set the prices the way they want to. what apple decides to do from here on out, that's a mystery. we don't know yet. >> sen this something this affects apple? is it based domestically in the united states? does it affect a until europe? >> we know that the folks in europe, the investigators there are also looking into the same
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type of allegations involving international publishers. we know there's discussions under way with those publishers and the european government to perhaps reach a settlement. what are the prices going to be? you know, for apple, this is all about wanting to sell more ipads. that's where they make the money. they were generous with the publishers in letting them set their own prices. how this will affect consumers in the future, just don't know yet. >> okay. those are good questions. we don't have the answers yet. meantime, major developments in the trayvon martin case today. george zimmerman is no longer in contact with his attorneys and now they're talking publicly about his mental state. e...yeah. little did i know that one week later i wasn't smoking. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation,
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>> here's a question -- where is trayvon mar tip's killer, george zimmerman? mar ten's mother seems confident that zimmerman will have to answer for her son's death. >> for the last 44 days, it has been a nightmare. and this is coming from a mother's perspective. i have been up and down as if i was on a roller coaster. but i know beyond a shadow of a doubt that justice will be served. >> you know, it seems very if, if any, know where jrj zimmerman is right now, not even his
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attorneys who say they aren't representing him anymore after losing contact. take a listen. >> we've lost contact with him. up to this point, we've had contact every day. he's gone on his own. i'm not sure what he's doing or who he's talking to. >> trayvon martin's parents are somewhat concerned that george zimmerman is a flight risk. here's what their own attorney told me last night. >> they don't know where the killer of trayvon mar ten is at. he is unaccounted for and they are really concerned about that because they do worry about him being a flight risk. they worry about if he's ever going to be brought to justice for killing their son. >> so i want to talk about the legal angles, and there are a lot. first, have you ever in all your years seen such a public falling out between a former client now and his or her attorneys? >> i can say that i have never seen anything like that before, brooke. and i'm aging myself, but i've
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been doing this for quite some time, almost 20 years. you know, the bottom line is attorneys withdraw from cases every day in our country. attorneys are fired by their clients every day in our country. but typically, when you withdraw as an attorney, you just withdraw. you may cite the reason like i am not communicating with my client, but you then don't go on to hold a press conference and discuss with the nation the reasons behind your withdrawal, including your concern for yor client's emotional and physical state. it's just simply not done. which is why when i was on air yesterday during that press conference with wolf blitzer, i was flabbergasted. i was just shocked. >> right. it calls into questions obviously ethics. was it responsible, ethical for these attorneys to hold this news conference, you know, mid afternoon with this whole rift
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eskentially airing their grievan grievance, their issues with this particular client. are there attorney-client privileges at play here? >> i will tell you, i think this is going to become the case study in law school ethics courses around the country. because this is a difficult question. i mean, bottom line is, when you are representing a client, regardless of whether or not you have a retainer agreement, if there is that attorney-client relationship, which i really believe there was in this case, a privilege attaches. and it's sort of a bed rom presence pl in our law, when you're an attorney and someone con fieds in you, that's secret. that's privileged. and you can not discuss and disclose those conversations and the things that you learn. not only the conversations, but the things that you learn. and what was fascinating to me is that, you know, only george zimmerman can waive that privilege. for these attorneys to come out and give us, not only their reason for withdrawal, brooke,
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but also i think some of the -- some glimpses into the discussions that they had with george zimmerman over the phone could expose them to some ethical violations. could expose them to an investigation kbi the bar. >> here's part of the news conference that made me and some colleagues around me sit up. one of these attorneys said they had never, ever, ever met with their client. i realize this is a high profile case and we's laying low and we don't know where he is. how unusual is that, though? >> you know, i think it's unusual. it's not rare. that didn't bother many ethat much because again, nay indicated he fears for his safety. we don't know where he is and it's possible he was far away from him for his own safety. and so, you know, yes. ideally, you want to sit and look into the eyes of your
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client. but in today's day and age, you can skype with a client, you can send text messages and e-mails. that didn't bother me as much as all the other details that were divul divulged in the press conference. >> eric holder did speak with al sharpton's national action network before holding this press conference with trayvon martin's case and here's a little bit of what he said. >> i know that many of you are greatly and rightly concerned about the recent shooting death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. a young man whose future has been lost to the ages. if we find evidence of a potential federal criminal civil rights crime, we will take appropriate action. and at every step, the facts and the law will guide us forward. >> since we know the department of justice is investigating, thus making it a federal investigation, do you believe that authorities at perhaps federal, perhaps state, whatever level, somebody know where is he is?
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>> you would think so. i mean, typically when there is an investigation, sometimes you have investigators ta s tailing subject, a target of an investigation, or at least they know where that target is. but, you know, this is very much in my view, brooke, a local law enforcement investigation. while there is a federal investigation running parallel to the local investigation, that's a civil rights violation case. really the action is really locally. and so i think the folks that need to know where george zimmerman is are the local authorities. >> i was talking to another attorney saying there is no clock tick on this case until there is an arrest. but now the special prosecutor saying there will be some sort of news within 72 hours, so by friday. the clock is ticking now in some sort of development. do you think ging what happened
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with his attorneys yesterday, that lit a fire under her? >> you know, i do. i remember being told by the agents and detectives that the target of the investigation was on the move. that spooks prosecutors because the last thing you want is for an arrest warrant to be in your desk, you know, waiting for someone to be found. you just don't want that in any case, especially in a high-profile case. that would force a prosecutor's hand. is you don't want to be under the position of not being able to finding and arresting someone. sonny stand by.
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we're getting news from "the washington post." "the washington post" is reporting that he is going to be arrested and charged. we do not have this on cnn. this is "the washington post." we're working our sources. when we can share more information with you, we will. "the washington post" reporting that charges and an arrest are imminent. surprise? no surprise? >> i'm not surprised. again, after the press conference by zimmerman's former attorney generals, the fact that angela corey's the special prosecutor's office then issued their own statement indicating that they would be providing us with more information about the trayvon martin investigation told me that perhaps her hand was forced and that charges would be imminent. >> one more question for you, because i know this isn't going to grand jury, that takes capital murder out of it, i know at least in the state of florida, on the spectrum here of charges, where could this fall in give me some possibilities.
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>> you know, my is perspective is that of a former prosecutor. my sense always is and was as a prosecutor that you sort of charge these cases from the bottom up. and that means you want to be able to prove your case yvbeyona reasonable doubt. so you look at the least charge and you determine whether or not you can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt. >> which is what in this case? >> i think it's manslaughter. i think that that is a case, it's a nonintentional killing. when you look at the facts of this case, that would be the charge if i were looking at it that would be the safest charge. you don't want to overcharge in a case like this because you're charging in the face of the stand your ground law, in the face of a possible stand your ground defense. and so manslaughter in my view would be the safest way to go if you're charging a case and you know you need to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. >> so procedurally, what happens? based upon washington post
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reporting they bring manslaughter charges what'ses the next step? go find george zimmerman wherever he is and slap him in handcuffs and tack him to jail? >> it's interesting. because when you're working as a prosecutor with a set of defense toerps that you know, you make arrangements as a courtesy to have a high-profile person, a client like this come in and yes, be -- turn themselves in to be arrested and processed and charged and then go before, of course, a judge for a bail hearing, a bond hearing to determine what the conditions of release would be, if any. in a case now like this where he isn't represented, i'm not sure. is this the case where an arrest warrant is issued? that charges are filed, a judge approves that there's probable cause to charge, that information is filed and thenen an arrest warrant is issued and then someone has to find george zimerman. perhaps that's what's going to
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happen rath earth than george zimmerman if he is charged is going to turn himself in. >> we know this is being investigated on the federal level. we also know angela corey will now be holding a news conference i'm told within the next four hours. she set the deadline, 72 hours, that being friday. now we know in about four hours, huge news could come out of that. sunny hoi sun sun sunny hostin appreciate your expertise. meantime, welcome to day one of the general election with rick santorum out of the race for the white house, mitt romney is facing his next big challenge. president obama. we're going to take a look at the political landscape with mr. wolf blitzer after this quick break. i didn't know how i was going to do it, but i knew i was going to get that opportunity one day. and that's what happened with the university of phoenix.
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>> the washington pooes newspaper is reporting that george zimmerman will be arrested and charged. zimmerman is the man who was in sanford, florida. that's the information coming out of "the washington post." we are working all of our sources. also another note, angela corey has now announced that she will be holding a special news conference in four hours from now. so right around 7:30 eastern time in jacksonville, florida. so stay tuned for that. huge news could happen. meantime, the primary season is done. and barring something shocking this guy, here he is, will lard mitt romney is your republican nomination for president.
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a short time ago campaigning. it is romney now versus obama, day one of the general election. >> you're absolutely right. day one has begun. it will get intense, it will get bitter. it will be ugly. both sides have their respective points of view, it's now romney versus obama. sging gingrich and ron paul, they're tanlly still in the race for the republican presidential nomination, but they ear so far behind in the all-important delegate count they're not going to be able to catch up. and with santorum now out, it's romney. so yes, the general election campaign has formally begun. >> this is the first thing we're seeing, this dog fight for the women's vote. romney trailing the president, look at these numbers by an
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astonishing 19 points among women, certainly no coincidence. mitt romney saying with just within the past hour, the administration's policies amount to a war on women. take a listen. >> can i borrow that, karen? one of you has one of these. i don't know if you saw these, but these are just some statistics which show just how severe the war on women has been by virtue of the president's failed policies. the number of jobs. this is an amazing statistic. the percentage of jobs lost by women in the president's three year, 3 1/2 year, 92.3% of all the jobs lost during the obama years having lost by women. 92.3%. >> now, before i move on, i do want to say, that comment, that 92.3%, that statistic is open to challenge. we're going to hit on that later, mark my words. but the point being, mitt romney knows he has a lot to do with regard to winning over women and
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he's not wasting time. >> it's an enormous challenge he has getting the women vote out there. women vote in higher percentages than men and a lot of them right now are rang angry at the republicans because they fear the republicans are going to take away some of their rights, not only the right to have an abortion if they want an abortion, but to contraception, birth control pills. and some of the language being used by some of the republicans over the past several month has clearly alienated a whole lot of women out there. so romney is going to have his work cut out for him. he was standing at that event with only women behind him. he does better among men, mitt romney. but among women he's got a deep, deep problem. if you go to state lieblgs florida, ohio, michigan. the battleground states, it's going to be an enormous challenge. will he pivot mitt romney away
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from catering is say way from the right wing of the republican party and go back towards the center, towards the more moderate and resumably try to generate some support among independent and moderate women out there as well. it's going to be a huge challenge for romney. having said all that, brooke, you know i've said this before, there are seventh months to go. a lot can happen. >> that's an eternity. jobs, jobs, jobs. we'll see what can happen over the next seven months. it's going to be a fiercely fought battle and it's going to be very, very close when all the dust settles. >> it's interesting when you look back to 2008, we talk about the messages, where is the messaging coming from? you see campaigns lerching youtube, we've had facebook and twitter has exploded. check out this tweet from david axelrod. with a 5 to 1 spinning edge, mitt grinds down santo. money can't buy love, but it can buy gop nominations. so now, flash forward 2012, campaign 2012.
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obama v romney, what are the new rules of the roads in terms of messaging and who's writing the rules? a. >> well, the social media explosion is going to be very, very powerful. but when all is said and done, the money is going to be very important. the republicans are raising a ton of money with their so-called super pacs. they can go out there and really buy a lot of advertising in the battleground states that will go after the president of the united states. the negative attack ads will be intense. obama is raising a lot of money himself. yesterday, a bunchover fundraisers down in hollywood, florida, and palm beach. around his speech on the so-called buffet rule, the warren buffett tax rule that he's proposing to try to get higher tax rates for some of the wealthiest americans out there. but there will be hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars of money spent on attack ads in those battleground states. i want to be an owner of one of those tv stations in cleveland or cincinnati or in florida
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because they're going to be getting rich as a result of these two campaigns and their so-called super pacs spending so much money over the coming months. >> let me just move quickly to this. breaking news now, a senior law enforcement source tells cnn that george zimmerman, quote, will be charged if he hasn't been already. that's his kwo et. those charges obviously related to the shooting of trayvon martin, but we do not know yet what the charges are. again, special prosecutor angchr ree has called a news conference about four hours from now. i want to bring in sunny hostin. we geerting this news, will be charged if he hasn't been charged already. we don't know what the charge is, but you don't want to overcharge in this particular case, right? >> i think that's right. i mean, you know, i suspect that first degree murder is off the
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table. the facts don't really align with that. second degree murder would be a possibility, but i think that's a stretch. that could lead some to think that's an overcharging of this case. in light of the facts as we know them, brooke, and especially in light of the stand your ground law. so when i look at the statute in that way, the next level in the homicide statue would be manslaughter. a nonintentional killing, it strikes me as the more balanced charge to bring in this case, if a charge is brought. >> okay, sunny, do me a favor. stand by. i do want to bring in martin savidge. what do we know as we wait to hear the news conference with angela corey, what are the possible scenarios we could see? >> well, one of the things we won't see, you're not go i think to see first degree murder.
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you need a grand jury in the state of florida to bring that. she already said we're not going to use a grand jury in this particular case. that's out. manslaughter has been talked about because trayvon martin was a juvenile, 17 years of age. we are told that the possible maximum could be up to 30 years, so that's a significant term, if he is found guilty. there's also been talk of perhaps charge of aggravated battery using a gun. keep in mind, florida is what they call a 10, 20 life state. if you use a gun, you get automatically 10 year, if you fire a gun you get up to 20 and if you kill somebody, you get up to life. there are a variety of potentials out there. >> sunny, back to you, i can't help wonder just moving ahead if and when he will be charged and ultimately when they do have to seat a jury, i'm thinking ability casey anthony trial
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where they had to bus jurors from out of town. how does that even -- what would happen? >> not only the community of sanford, all of the nation. this is an international story at this point. we have a special prosecutor from the fourth judicial circ t circuit, if i'm correct. she's from the jacksonville area, not even this area brought in to look at this case. i think certainly you can find six jurors, because in florida if it's not a capital case, we're talking about a jury of six of george zimmerman's fears. you can find fair and impartial jurors. i don't think you're going to fine anyone that hasn't heard about this case. and so the question then, will be where do you get the jury pool from? do you bring them in? and that's something that judges are used to deal with. we saw that in the casey anthony case. but i think you're right, brooke. that's going to be an issue here. this is probably one of the most
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high profile cases i've seen when there hasn't even been any charges yet. . >> do you think we will see sunny the shot, you know, of george zimmerman being led away in handcuffs? do you think -- i don't know if it would be, what, state police that would allow that even? >> yeah, thor. walk that we all hear about. you know, this is a high-profile case. we know that there have been at least reportedly threats against george zimmerman's life. i don't think this is the kind of case we should see aer. walk. i think for the safety of everyone involved in a highly charged case. so, no. i don't think that we're going to see that. the only way we would see that is if george zimmerman can't be found, if he isn't cooperating with law enforcement authorities. we know as of sunday he was. people knew where he was. so hopefully if he is charged an arrest can be done in a more private fashion.
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okay, sunny just getting news in my ear. if you anow joining us, this is according to a senior law enforcement source telling cnn that george zimmerman will be charged. if he hasn't been charged already. obviously we're picking up the phone making lots of phone calls. angela corey telling us no charges have been filed yet.
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>> we have now learned from a senior law enforcement source that george zimmerman will be charged if he hasn't been charged yet. the prosecutor in this case, her name is angela corey has now told cnn, no charges have been filed yet. we have learned, though, as she set a deadline a 72-hour deadline she would make some sort of news by the end of the week. we have now learned that she will beled hoing a special news conference at 6:00 eastern time in jacksonville, florida. as we wait for that, i want to bring in phyllis coate, former
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assistant to the florida state attorney. we heard news from angela corey and her office, no to a grand jury. then we heard and saw that bizarre news conference just dwred on behalf of the two attorneys from george zimmerman saying we haven't heard from our client and so we're withdrawing our representation. did that play any decision on the prosecutorial side? >> i don't think it would be make any difference. >> so you don't think that expedited any sort of news conference, you think she was plan on doing this today and that was just a koinkidink yesterday? >> she's been taking her tame considering the issues. things are just coming to a head right now at the same time. >> help us get inside the mind
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of a prosecutor's head. a tremendously high profile case. what has she been weighing? >> you really just want to wave the evidence. -- weigh the evidence. it shouldn't be a political decision. one of the things you strive to do as a prosecutor is make sure any consideration of the evidence is a consideration of just that, not the public sentiment, not what people want you to do, but what the evidence suggests should be done. ichk that's exactly what she's trying to do in this case. >> we know the capital murder, murder bun will be thrown out in this case. how does she proceed? tifs asking our federal attorney on this, on the spectrum of charges, what could we be hearing? >> there's. >> several right up front. that would be a second degree
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murder case and a manslaughter case which would probably be the most serious ones you could deal with given the facts that we have. whechb you're looking at manslaughter you're looking at an issue of culpable negligence. an intent to commit either an unlawful or inexcusable act. those would be the things you're looking at as a prosecutor. you would like at the issue if it was done with any sort of prove vags, or those kinds of issue as they relate to someone acting, not necessarily with an intent to kill, but certainly reckless disregard for the safety of another human being. how would a prosecutor prove nonintentional killing? >> with manslaughter, one of the things you would look at would be the issue of how zirmman
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acted, whether there was anything unlawful about his actions in terms of continuing to pursue continuing to go after an individual, any place where he had a right to be. perhaps a gun was pulled on an individual that was in a lawful place where he had a right to be. and then the violation of the law that occurred as a result of those things, certainly not indicating an sbebt to kill, but being illegal acts that then will give rise to support for that culpable negligence. charge of manslaughter or manslaughter charge being caused because of the way the individual acted. >> then also even when we're talking specifically about this news conference coming up at 6:00 eastern time in florida where we will be hearing from angela corey, potentially breaking the news that george zimmerman will be charged and arrested, in terms of present taste, how does she present
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herself? and how do they handle george zimmerman himself? >> if is charges are filed, then an arrest warrant or some sort of warrant from the court would be issued for him to appear. he's under no supervision from the court to be available. i would anticipate that law enforcement officers would be around because they had been consulted during the investigation, but that won't necessarily be true either. you simple will have that prosecutor there perhaps givinging a review of the information that they consider in terms of the case and giving that with the public for their recommendation at this time. >> thanks for helping us understand what angela corey might be thinking about and going through and be up against. you're agreeing perhaps the
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charge could be manslaughter in this case. as far as the defense, in a state with the stand your ground law, how do you defend george zimmerman here? >> certainly, that would be the defense. we heard that, that he acted in sell defense, that he was standing his ground, that trayvon martin attacked him. i'm sure this is something the federal prosecutor had to review. i'm sure she's going to look at who started the confrontation. who initially provoked the confrontation. in the stand your ground law there's an exception to that. if you initially start a confrontation, you can't rely on that defense. this is a case the jury would need to look at.
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let's face it, this case, the charges will really shine a light in the stand your ground law. it will be controversial in the top some odd state that was the law. >> finally one quick question for martin savage. we' seen all this hate rhetoric percolating online and in person. are the police prepared to handle any kind of violence in the community either way? they've been preparing and planning for whatever eventually for weeks now. they' been coordinating with the county authority also.
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whether they might need police backup or backup from otherties, fire, whatever. they are planning for all eventual possibilities, hoping for the best outcome. but you have to be prefaired for the rest. they're on stand by now and they say as a result of hearing about the events of today, they are also counting down, like the media, to this news conference. >> yep, 6:00 eastern time so we hear in jacksonville, florida. thank you. i want to play some sound for you. trayvon martin's parents were speaking at the news conference minutes ago. take a listen. 'it's very hard when you lose a child to maintain your sanity. but i told myself the second day that trayvon was dead that i find it within myself to do right by him. to make sure that his name
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>> welcome back. george zimmerman will be charged in connection with the trayvon martin shooting. this is according to a senior law enforcement source familiar
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with the investigation. what this individual told cnn just in the last few moments. the special consider in this case, her name is angela corey, she says those charges have not been filed yet. but cnn confirms she will be making an announce the at 6:00 p.m. eastern time. trey son martin's parents spoke moments ago with reverend al sharpton. they want to see what happens next before making any further comment. >> we cannot confirm those reports. >> what is your response when you hear it? >> when we hear it, we will respond. we will be in the building. we will have another briefing around 5:15, 5:30, if those reports are at that point con virmed and the parents will respond at that time. we're not reading e-mail while
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we're talking. we're polite. >> we have martin savidge on the ground where it happened. we're about at the top of the hour, tell me what we have learned in last 5 or 10 minutes here. okay, we don't have martin. i'll tell you what we know. this news conference is going to happen at 6:00 and presumably that could be when this special prosecutor brings charges upon george zimmerman. again, what potentially scenario wise, would charges could be brought against him? second degree murder, first degree murder is off the table. second degree murder is possible. i think that would be difficult to prove. i think that could be seen as overcharging this case. i think the safest way to go
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would be manslaughter. when i look at the facts as we know them, angela corey having conducted what i assume to be a thorough investigation has more facts than what we know. so if sthe is to charge something more, there must be something more that i don't know about. looking at the evidence, sort of in the public domain or out of the facts. i think manslaughter would be the appropriate charge here, brooke. how does she move manslaughter in this case? >> i don't think it's that difficult to prove but the stand your ground defense. she would have to prove that trayvon martin is dead, we know that. then she would have to prove 245 the act caused the death of trayvon martin. they would have to prove that the death of trayvon martin was caused by the culpable negligence of george zimmerman, that he acted