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saturday afternoon sock hops. top of the hour here. welcome back. i am brooke baldwin. there could be a huge break in one of the most famous unsolved mysteries. you're looking at photos from the air, a number of authorities on the ground in lower manhattan. we're told fbi agents, police, scouting this building in the soho area of manhattan for clues in the search for the sixing-year-old boy that went missing in the legislate 70s. this little boy etan patz is the first missing child ever pictured on a milk carton. we'll take you live coming up. a teenaged are girl disappears for weeks before turning up in a cell phone video being gang raped, gang raped by young men and boys as young as 14. she's boys on this video, they're seen and heard laughing and like so many things these day it is came to light when a mom looked over her teenaged
daughter's shoulder to see what the girl was watching on her cell phone. imagine the mother's shock. this video has gone viral all across south africa where some people call rape a sport. >> they may look ashamed now, but police say when these boys filmed themselves raping a teenager believed to be mentally disabled, they proudly showed their faces. people have seen the video say the girl that we cannot identify because she is a minor, pleads with them to stop. they didn't according to police. instead, offered they are 25 cents. the 10 minute long graphic cell phone clip went viral leading to eight arrests. the position and distribution is illegal in south africa and some media organizations have seen it in the public's interests. >> what stood out for me was how relaxed they were, how they were candidly joking with one another and spurring each other on.
>> police suspect the teenager that had been missing for four weeks had been turned into a sex slave. experts say a south african woman has far greater chance of being raped than learning how to read and write. this particular story has forced the nation where rape has been described by some as a young man's sport to ask itself some serious questions about what kind of a society breathes this behavior. the government ministers have taken a personal interest in the case joining the nation in calling for justice. >> we need to fight this that is in your community, all those doing wrong things to women. they must be brought. >> they blame a broken criminal justice system for allowing far too many rapists to get away with their crimes. the boys have not yet pleaded.
using a popular african prof esh a come at a timer says it takes a village to raise a child and the village has failed. >> live from johannesburg. this crime here, the video, it really struck a nesh where are you in south africa. why this case when rape is called, you mention in your piece, a young man's sport, an epidemic there. >> it is an epidemic. it is pervasive. i think there are so many aspects of the story, brooke, that shocked the nation and it involves young children and school going age and the youngest is 14 years old and involves a victim that is possibly mentally disabled. there are more important issues. i think rapists pervasive in south africa and it is a crime that happens behind closed doors and very often within family units you will find like an uncle raping a niece and then because the family fears that it will bring shame to them they
quietly sort it out and basically expect the nine-year-old girl to move on with it. this is public. it is in your is face and forced them to come face-to-face with the huge problem and it is distribution. young kids. it went viral and they were watching this as it was some form of entertainment. some of them were told they could recite the words use and had it shocked the nation as well and the fact that these boys were brave enough to film themselves committing a crime and then distributed it really does say something about the criminal justice system. these kids didn't think that they would get caught. that raises questions about what has happened in the past when it comes to rape cases in south africa, brooke. >> the acts, the videos, we see them here in the states. obviously they're in south africa. i know it is very much so not behind closed door when is we talk about this incident. people are protesting. they want a life sentence for
child rape. what is the law right now as it stands? >> for gang rape you can get life in prison. also, if it is found that this teenaged girl is mentally disabled, that also ecarries lie so serious crimes and serious sentences. as i said before, the true minors accused in this case, they will not go through the trial. they will probably go through a diversion program designed for juvenile offenders where he this try to rehabilitate them and teach them really to become better people, brooke. >> it sounds like as you describe rape so much happening behind closed doors, family members preying on family members and brings shame and that's why so many people don't go public with this. beyond families, how big of a problem is rape and it sounds to me there is a need for just a
culture change. >> it is huge. the medical research council estimates that only 1 in 9 rapes are reported, and it is people have come up with various reasons. some people argue that, you know, a par tiedy mass can you lated south african men and the only way they could assert authority was overwhelm's bodies and this has become a culture, and it is not only happening among poor people. this is happening within the middle class and within also the upper class. so it is a huge problem that really needs starting with young people to recondition their minds, the experts that say that is become a young man's sport says this is how young men express how macho they are to one another, showing off, like the journalist that saw this video. she says they were having fun and they were showing off. it was a game for them. that seriously needs to be looked into, and young people's minds need to be reconditioned,
brooke. >> it is endemic in the culture and perhaps psychological going back to apartheid. thank you. coming up next, nuns, nuns going rogue. the vatican wants to reign in this group that are challenging the church's ways and accuses them of promoting radical feminist ideas. we'll speak live with the nuns and hear about the crackdown against her. don't miss this. meineke's personal pricing on brakes.
conference of women religious that represents most of the 37,000 nuns throughout the u.s. church leaders, launched this two knife year investigation that came to scathing conclusions, mostly about what the nuns didn't say. that's the key part here. in a vatican statement the leadership conference is accused of not speaking out strongly enough against gay marriage, abortion, or making women priests. they're also accused of pushing, quote, radical feminist themes incompatible with the catholic faith and now is the crackdown. the vatican appointed the seattle archbishop to reign in the ladies and that includes reviewing all plans and programs, rewriting by laws, approving speakers and it can go on as long as five years. i am to welcome sister simone campbell, the executive director of network, a catholic social justice lobby. welcome to you. as part of this reform effort the church is looking into ties between network and the
leadership conference of women religious, so, sister campbell, first of all, were you surprised that the vat can called the leadership conference their word is radical. >> i was shocked. i was just on my way back from being with one of the regions of lcwr where i was a resource person for them on the spiritual life and aspect of leadership and how that intersects with our quest for justice. we had no knowledge this was coming. we certainly had no knowledge that network was even kbliimply indicated in the report. it came out of the blue for us. >> when you hear the word radical or rogue associated with a nun, how does that make you feel? >> well, quite frankly, there is a humorous aspect because i am so disbelieving. the fact is we live the vows of
poverty, chastity and obedience every day of our lives from the time we take first vows on and sometimes our service to the poor and to those at the margins might take us to places where we see injustices that others don't see. we're certainly faithful to the gospel. we're faithful to our prayer life. if you can be rogue in a prayer life, then i guess maybe that's what their concern is. i don't understand it. >> when you talk about injustices, you're inside. you are a sister. is there a battle of the sexes within the church and is this a battle quite honestly that women can really win? >> well, it definitely has been engaged as a struggle, that's for sure. the fact is that our church has been struggling with the issue of the proper role of women for a very long time, and in the
early church women were leaders. women served as deaconess, and over the centuries that has fallen out. some people think that should be restored. others think not. the issue is as women religious we are called to respond to the needs around us. we work with the homeless. we work with people with aids. we work with the hungry. we work with families in distress. i myself became a lawyer so that i could serve people who were in need in the working poor community in california and now work on capitol hill to advocate for justice. >> let me jump in. >> it is all about the people -- >> about the people you serve and you talk about struggling and the church struggling with a proper role of women. how would you characterize the role of women within the catholic church? would you go as far to characterize it as masagonis ti
c. >> no. actually, it really goes -- that's too individualized. there is such variety within the church. >> what would you say? >> you can't say that's totality. >> what would you say? >> i am sorry. i missed your question. >> what would you say? what would i say? i would say that there is definitely a struggle, that we took seriously pope pias the 12's urging and seriously vatican two and some of the leadership of the church, our church is led by men. they're not used to dealing with strong women. in that sense there is a tension. they do not understand our dialog model where we engage in conversation. we engage in discernment. we engage in prayer together to see the way forward. the men that are leaders of the church are not used to in rome not used to dealing with strong women as we have in the united states. >> it sounds like part of the issue is what you're not saying, perhaps the church wanted you to speak up against abortion,
wanted you to speak up against other issues like birth control and it is the lack of speaking up that is one of the reasons why they're investigating. it is what you're not saying. >> well, that's pretty interesting because the role of the leadership conference of women religious is to foster the religious life for all of us and since we don't get married, we don't have families, we take a vow of chast itie so we don't have sexual relationships, the issue of abortion and family structures aren't our issues. our issues are caring for people that are poor, and so that's where we speak with authority is when we care for people that are poor. the other issues, you know, what can i say? the best we can do is to have dialog and try to find a way forward. >> thank you for engaging in a dialog with me, sister campbell. i appreciate it. thank you for calling in. coming up, take you live to new york where one of the most famous mysteries may get a huge break. plus police say a nurse was so
boyfriend she just gave birth i know you have heard the story about the nurse charged with capital murder, gunning down a new mom and snatching her three day old newborn. this is the suspect, verna mcclain. she appeared, this was her court appearance in a texas courtroom today charged with capital murder and police say she opened fire on a mother, kala golden in
a parking lot of golden's pediatrician office. she was trying to put her baby in the car after an appointment when she was shot and the baby was grabbed. i want you to listen to what police think is this woman's motive. >> initially, information is that she did have a miscarriage. she needed to justify having a child to her soon to be fiance. they were going to get married in may. she had led him to believe she was pregnant and had a child, so she needed to produce a child. >> so given what you just heard, if that isn't bizarre enough, here is the thing. the suspect, verna mcclain, is african-american 6789 you can see her in the mug shot. the baby she is accused of snatching is white, and police say her boyfriend is not white either. it is a story that makes you ask so many questions here. i want to bring in dale atkins, a psychologist, joins me by the phone and here to help us
understand why some women would commit crimes like this. have you this woman, a nurse, and supposedly nurturing and caring and i know many an amazing nurse. how does a woman working in the medical profession helping others shoot and ultimately this mother dies just to get this baby? >> brooke, it is really stunning. it is something so difficult to explain and i think that one of the issues that we have to deal with is what the police person said which was that she apparently has this relationship with someone and this is a very, very common manipulative and obsessive kind of act that women who are trying to keep their partners, keep them from leaving them, often will either fake a pregnancy or in fact have a pregnancy and then lose the baby and miss carry and then feel if they don't have the child, their partner will leave them. so it is very manipulative.
it usually is happening obviously with people that have some kind of degree of a personality disorder. that's the motive for stealing the baby and it is done very often. there are other people that steal babies for other reasons but the other piece of it is the difference with the race of the baby and the race of the mother. >> right. what is she thinking? if she is african-american and her boyfriend is and she was supposed to be pregnant and didn't have the baby and brings home a white baby, there is a huge disconnect here. >> there really is a huge disconnect. i think the important question is what was she thinking? i think at that point she wasn't thinking in a way that would one would say, well, what is a rational explanation? i think when women are at this point they just feel they need to have a baby on cue and feel time pressure and know they can't have the baby and they're afraid if she tells the partner she miss carried he will leave her, and she decide to do this criminal act, and it is something that, oh, by the way, the baby is a different race.
i guess maybe we'll have to deal with that later if in fact it is an issue. she felt i would imagine incredible pressure and women who do this -- i am sorry, yes? >> it brings up the question of sanity. i know prosecutors say they're going for the death penalty. she is charged with capital murder in the case. sanity has come up. if you're called as a witness for the prosecution here, dale, what would you say? >> i am not skirting you. i can't answer it because i really don't know her history. clearly she has some issues with self-esteem. if she lost a baby, you know, all kinds of things go crazy. this is a murder case as well as a baby snatching case, and i believe that there is obviously something that is clearly very wrong with her perception of reality and i do know that sometimes with women like this who do this, there is a history of delinquency. there may be hysterical personality traits.
there is a preoccupation to have children. she has children. it is not that she couldn't have children. maybe she can't have a baby now. they really seem to do this because they are motivated to compensate for all kinds of emotional deprivation, so i don't know what her particular issue is, but they steal children and steal children basically because they want to keep their relationships. >> it is horrible. >> that's the primary issue. >> it is horrible. >> it is not to have a baby. >> dale atkins, thank you. my heart goes out to this young father. >> of course. >> who gets the baby back and loses his wife. dale, thanks. >> of course. of course. >> now ted nugent, if he wants to, quote, chop heads in november, the secret service says we want to talk. live in oklahoma where both sides are expected to meet. plus we have just gotten in video of a swarm of people surrounding the car. look at this, carrying the president of iran, shouting we're hungry, we're rhungry. it is chaotic. ♪
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any moment now rocker and activist ted nugent is expected to meet with members of the secret service today. the agent it is not to know more about his tirade about the president. it happened at this n.r.a. conference and they say he sounded threat eping saying if president obama is re-elected he, nugent, would either be dead or in prison. ed is live in ardmore, oklahoma, to cover this meeting. we see nugent yet? >> oh, we have not seen ted nugent here. his name is on the marquise at this venue. he is examipected to take the se later tonight. still no sign. his band showed up. the tour bus is here. the sound check is done. still no sign of ted nugent. we did a short while ago receive a statement from ted nugent. we're not sure if this means this meeting with the secret service has already taken place or is in the process of taking place, but ted nugent writes a lengthy statement part of which
reads that what he was talking about in his speech at the n.r.a. last week saying i spotlighted cockroaches and rallied those that care to stomp them out at the voting booth in november as is my duty as an american. by no stretch of the imagination did i threaten anyone's life or hint at violence or mayhem. metaphors needn't be explained to educated people. that was the statement that ted nugent released a little while ago. however, obviously the statement that ted nugent made last weekend at the n.r.a. convention in st. louis definitely got the attention of secret service agents because they are somewhere here meeting with him right now. >> cockroaches, huh? we don't know exactly when the meeting happens. do we know what kinds of questions the secret service will ask ted nugent? >> it is a good question. meetings like this presumably go on quite a bit, very much under the radar any time people make threats and secret service agents go out and assess what really is behind the threats or statements that people across
the country, and so we presume meetings like this go on all the time. the question is whether or not ted nugent is getting a lecture from secret service agents about what he is saying or if there is something more to it but what they want to figure out what his intentions and motivation was for the things that he said. there is no question at this point that it definitely got the attention of the agent. >> ed, thanks. now if it is interesting and happening you're about to see it. rapid fire rolling. want to begin with pictures. this is something you rarely ever see in iran. take a look. the person in this car you can see is surrounded by all kinds of people. the person inside, mahmoud ahmadinejad and many are complaining to the president they're hungry. that's what they're shouting, although some say they just wanted to shake his hand and all of this happened as he was being driven in this motorcade. look at everyone hopping on top of the car. he later posted pictures of
happy and waving supporters. it isn't easy to listen to. the social worker's desperate call to 911 to save two children from a burning home. >> how long will it be? >> i don't know, ma'am. they have to respond to emergency life-threatening situations first. the first available deputy. >> this could be life-threatening. he went to court on wednesday and he didn't get his kids back. this is really -- i am afraid for their lives. >> the hopeless feeling there and now we know the 911 dispatcher has been reprimanded for taking too long to send help and you can hear why. inside that home josh powell, the utah man suspected in the disappearance of his wife and his two sons, the social worker brought the children for the corresponded ordered visit and had no idea that powell was intending to murder them and commit suicide in the process. and after 148 million miles of travel, discovery, space shuttle discovery lands in its
permanent home. america's longest serving shuttle now the premier attraction as it should be at the smithsonian national air and space museum in virginia. the arrival kicks off a four-day celebration. among the greeters there, john glen, the oldest astronaut to fly on board, and of course there will never be another pat summitt. she can count the presidential medal of freedom that the white house made official among her many honors. the lady vols head basketball coach retires officially today. she is the winningest basketball coach in all of college history, 1,098 wins and eight national titles and sadly a diagnosis aalzheimer's. >> i can tell you i have loved my work at the university of tennessee. it has been awesome. i can say for almost four decades it has been a privilege to make an impact on the lives
of 161 women who have worn orange. i am so proud of them, the lady vol student athletes. pat summitt's long time assistant holly warlock takes over. breaking developments in a case unsolved for decades. it goes back to the late 70s. the feds swarming the building in lower manhattan searching a basement in hopes of finding information searching for the whereabouts of etan patz, the first child ever featured on a milk carton. we'll take you there live. we need to protect the environment. [worker:] we could do both. is that possible? [announcer:] at conocophillips, we're helping power america's economy with cleaner, affordable natural gas. more jobs. less emissions. a good answer for everyone. well, if it's cleaner and affordable. as long as we keep these safe. there you go. thanks. [announcer:] conocophillips.
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it is in lower manhattan in the soho area and step as way from the former home of etan patz who was six years old when he disappeared back in 1979. etan patz missing 33 years, declared dead in 2001, and back when he disappeared etan patz was the first missing child whose likeness appeared on a milk carton. straight to the scene. susan, you told us that this combined search team, about to start digging with jackhammers through the walls in the basement. any sign it has begun? >> it hasn't begunet yet, not using the jackhammer anyway. here is the latest information we have. i am told it is doubtful they may get to the jackhammer today because they are going over every square inch of the hallway and the basement where they're looking for the possible remains of that child. the space measures about 13 by 62 feet and so what they're doing is taking away anything,
collecting any evidence that isn't nailed down, literally down to the dust and the dirt that is on the floor, the cement floor, and on the walls and anything so that they can analyze it forensically looking for any kind of possible dna evidence that that child might have been there. authorities tell us they're looking to see whether that little boy's remains are down there. whether he was killed there or simply hidden there if at all. here is how police summed it up. >> we're looking for human remains, clothing or other personal effects of etan patz in trying to find out where he disappeared, why he disappeared, and where. >> this is going to be a very long process, brooke. they're planning on being here at least five days and work
around the clock to see what evidence they can find in that cement basement area and eventually going to dig up using jackhammers. >> as they work the next five days, give me the lay of the land. i understand what, 33 years ago he lived, the address was 133 prince street and that's, what, half a block from where the scene is you're standing in front of? >> that's right. as you were setting it up in the introduction, that's exactly right. just about a half a block in this direction is where his parents and where he lived. as a matter of fact, we were down there a short time ago. his parents are not taking any calls or any visitors at this time. police tell me they did tell the parents that the search was about to happen. >> do they still live there, susan? sorry to interrupt you. >> yes, yes, we were just down there and tried to see whether they could tell us anything about what was going on and what police had told them. yes, they're still living in the area. about a half a block in this
direction is the bus stop where their son had been walking the day that he disappeared. this is a very critical area that evidently of the well searched at the time and something may and you are hearing indication what that was, that made the authorities go back and take a closer look at this basement area which is described to me as having a long dark hallway and at the end of it is an art studio and in fact it used to be a popular area in this whole area of soho at the time and really an artist colony and it is now far from that. it is a very upscale area of soho where there are designer shops and the like. >> as in artist colony and also as we were talking last hour known for sexual liaisons. >> that's exactly right, too. that's what we hear from law enforcement source that in fact that's where people also used to gather either in the art studio in the basement to have sex and it was popular for that reason, too, not drugs, not
prostitution, but just where people would get together. so how that all -- it is one more piece of the puzzle here they're trying to put together and somehow, some way, did someone snatch that little boy and bring him down to this basement area? that's what we're trying to find out. >> think about this family peering out their windows half a block away at the scene behind you. susan, keep us posted, please. thank you. the white house here releasing a photo of president obama reflecting on a civil rights icon. this is the president sitting in a vintage bus. this is the very alabama bus upon which rosa parks took her historic stand, refused to give up her seat to a white man and move to the back of the bus. the president later told campaign donors he sat there for a moment and pondered the courage and tenacity on those that insisted on their share of the american dream. i am sad to have to tell you that this is just into cnn. famed singer and song writer and drummer for the band has died le
slst von held am battling throat cancer for sometime. they report he was surrounded by friends and family and his estranged former band mate robby robertson visited his bedside in the final days. his career took off when he and the band played drums for bob dylan. helms made his first tv appearance ironically enough on "american bandstand" with a group called the hawks and right around this time i was telling you dick clark at age 82 passed away. i went to a small high school. the teacher that comes to mind for me is my high school math teacher, dr. gilmore. i mean he could teach.
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it was right around this time yesterday, maybe you were with me, we saw this dramatic story unfolding on our watch with, chad and i were walking through this. we saw two gentlemen both in their 60s clinging for dear life to this capsized sailboat out on lake michigan, about a mail off of chicago's montrose hook. they arrived in boat. here they were after a tip came in from a news chopper pilot after several minutes of harrowing struggle they tossed this life preserver out and pulled the guys to safety. we mentioned the tip, we
mentioned yesterday live on air the tip was from a news chopper pilot. he is with me now. chris, what a sight for you as you were flying over lake michigan yesterday. before we talk about how you saw them, first, i have to ask, how are the two gentlemen doing today? i think the names were peter oh vats and william mccollum. >> i spoke to peter a little while ago. he is doing fine. his associate bill is back on the job right now. he is an architect and was doing some presentation work earlier today, and they are not showing any affects of their dunking in like michigan. they are doing fine. >> the dunking according to chad myers, our weather guy, said it was something like 43 degrees in the water. take me back to this time yesterday. you're up, over lake michigan and you look down and see the guys. were they waving at you. >> the way it played out we were over downtown, shooting some other video for another story
that was going to be on air at 10:00 that evening, and the call had come in initially there may have been a boat in distress and the fire department was dispatched and to the wrong location on the lake front. >> oh, no. >> and then as anybody that has been along the chicago lake front pz, especially when there is choppy water, anything floating in the water is tough to see to see from onshore, so looking down from at least 1,000 feet, maybe a little bit more there at the time, the initial location bore out nothing. there was nothing there, but a quick look a couple of miles to the north and east of the initial event location, there they were, bobbing up and down on the upturned hull of their boat. a quick call to the fire department to get them going in the right location and the police marine unit which did respond and get there on time. >> here is the rescue here. we're looking at it right now. thank goodness you saw them and you were able to put the fire department and the police in the
right direction. from the looks of the pictures it doesn't look like the best day for sailing. a little wind, perhaps, and the water is very chilly. as i understand it, chris, mr. cove acti kovats, the boat's owner, he was out last may or spring a year ago and they had a problem a little bit further south along the lake shore, if you will, and yea, they were fished out of the water once there before, but he showed no ill aftereffects after that. as a matter of fact, at that time he had more medical problems as a result of being immersed in water for an extended period. this time at least things were done in relatively short order and he was able to be pulled out, dried off and he's fine. >> good thing you saw them. good for you. good for wbbm. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> you bet. coming up next in a couple of minutes, wolf blitzer back in
washington. how was your trip in. >> it was good. i spent two days in nato headquarters outside of brussels. part two of the interview will be airing at the top of the hour with hillary clinton and the secretary of defense leon panetta. we had an exclusive opportunity to sit down with both of them. you'll be afshgs to hear, i think a lot of viewers will be anxious to hear precisely what they're saying about the situation in afghanistan right now. also with iran, what's going on there. hillary clinton actually a bit upbeat as far as the first run of talks with iranians as far as the nuclear program is concerned and the prime minister of israel, benjamin netanyahu saying it's a freebie for the iranians. we'll have the latest on that. also, we'll go in-depth with hillary clinton on 2012. is it possible she could be on the ticket as a vice presidential running mate? we'll go in-depth on that and see what she has to say and 2016. she'll only be 68 or 69 years old in 2016.
is she going to be the first woman president of the united states? i'll ask her that question. the interview, we taped it all yesterday and you will see part two of it, saw some of it yesterday, but you'll see the rest today. >> i can't wait to see that. i want to see what she says wolf blitzer. stay tuned. good tease. here's a quote. you can't fix stupid. you ever heard that phrase? comedian ron white coined it and now a principal showed that clip of a stand up at a meeting and now sunny hostin is on the case. she's next in the studio. ♪ oh! [ baby crying ] ♪ what started as a whisper ♪
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>> there is a principal in columbus, georgia, named marvin crumbs who is in a little bit of trouble for showing a routine by ron white in an after-school faculty medium. >> now if your eyes go bad you can have lasik surgery and they'll give you 20/20 vision at any age. if your hearing starts to fail, they can put a twice in your ear that will make you able to hear as good as you could the day you were born, but let me tell you something, folks. you can't fix stupid. >> it's his famous line, one of his copyright line, you can't fix stupid. the principal played part of this. principal crumbs has now been reassigned and we didn't show you the part right before that where white talks about the female anatomy and plastic surgery. i want to welcome sunny hostin
in atlanta. >> can you believe that? >> we get to talk face-to-face. >> wonderful, because you're normally in new york, let's point that out for folks. >> the principal is playing some of the stand-up comedy routines and the teachers were offended, very offended. >> yes. and we say the principal's been reassigned. fair? >> i think so. let's face it. it's very difficult to fire a principal, to fire a tenured teacher. they are protected, but this was so offensive because i've seen the entire thing. >> i have not. was it very offensive? >> it was very offensive and to have been done at a sort of faculty meeting shows a lack of judgment and a lack of leadership judgment and so i think reassignment is the least amount they could have done. so he got off pretty lucky. if that's all that's going to be done. >> i know that ron white he actually has been tweeting about it. let me read part of his tweet. quote, do we have such a surplus of educators we can fire them
for what? i will not rest until dr. crumbs gets his job back. maybe if ron has the time he can join us to talk about it. >> yes. we'd love to talk to him. >> you can call on in. ultimately, though, it's offensive and does it surprise you that a principal? the principal of a school would do something like this? perhaps he was trying to be funny? funny, ha-ha, not so funny. >> he was talking about stupidity and what do we do to fix certain problems in the educational system. >> stupid being the kids presumably. >> or perhaps the teachers. who knows? it was a misguided attempt and i've spoken to steve perry, our educational contributor, and i think most people would agree that this was really off base and perhaps something that could lead to some disciplinary action. >> what have we learned from this? >> don't play ron white at work. >> don't do it. don't do it. >> sunny hostin, back here
tomorrow. >> yes. >> before we go, i do want to get this in. there are two dangerous inmates. they are still on the loose, who knows where. they escaped county jail in minneapolis kansas, early yesterday morning. it was burned by overcrowding. these two inmates are still on the loose. take a look here. the one on the right, this is eric james age 22, and the one on the left is a convicted murderer. his name is santos carreira-morales. he was convicted of two killings in 2007. both of these guys are considered armed and dangerous and now they could be anywhere. one of the guys they escaped with, he was found in nebraska. actually turned himself in, but he got out of kansas pretty quickly and now we're hearing those state inmates, they have moved to ottawa county to relief overcrowding that they were being moved there, and they've all now been moved back to state