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plus cal ripken jr., many credit with him with saving baseball after the 1994 strike and now helping rebuild joplin after the devastating tornadoes, it's tuesday, may 1st and "starting point" begins right now. welcome, everybody, wreaking news to get to first, rupert murdoch and his media empire deliberately misled the british parliament about the scope of that phone hacking scandal at the now defunct "news of the world" tabloid, a finding that has just come in from a committee of lawmakers in london. their report was released in the last hour and concludes "the behavior of the news international certain witnesses in the affair demonstrated contempt in the most blatant fashion. they went on saying rupert is not a fit person to run an international company, they could prompt regulators to force murdoch to sell his controlling stake in british sky
broadcasting. we'll have more straight ahead. we begin with that breaking news. also today fears that al qaeda could try to explode explosives hidden inside the bodies of terrorists. the warning comes on the one-year anniversary of the death of osama bin laden. reports in america and the middle east have been stepped up as we get new intelligence with hints at potential and future al qaeda threats. german agents found a memory chip in his underwear. first it looked like it was a pornographic movie but what they found was actual operations drawn up some of al qaeda's, drawn up by some of al qaeda's most senior operatives, the plans include hijacking a cruise ship, dressing the passengers in orange jumpsuits to mimic guantanamo bay prisoners. this morning we join commissioner ray kelly.
nice to see you. when you hear about threats like this, a consistent drip, drip, drip of what's happening in the world and what could impact us here. how does that change how new york law enforcement does its job. it's not just police protection. you're heavily involved in terror protection as well. >> certainly core al qaeda has been discredited but the cells are very much functioning. we're certainly concerned about al qaeda surrogates in somalia, in maghreb, in other parts of africa and concerned of course about the lone wolves, the last three people we've arrested for terrorism here have been lone wolves and in essence, although al faisal shahzad did go to pakistan for training. we need a 360-degree training and al qaeda and the terrorist threat is very much alive.
>> one concern that affects you the most, the cruise ship scenar scenario, a solo attack in mum buy. abc was reporting the bombs they would implant inside of people that could detonate, maybe the people would be able to make it through airport screening devices, there's one version that's most concerning. >> there's lots of threats. we're concerned about nuclear threat, nuclear event the thing that concerns us the most. the information about planting bombs inside people the intelligence community has been looking at that for a while. >> it's due to us and not new to you. >> a bomb maker in yemen has been talked about, even ham al asiri. i'm certainly the u.s. targeted him but all indications are he's still very much alive and very inventi inventive. it's the type of thing that the intelligence committee has been
looking at for a while and obviously we have to be concerned with it. >> one of the things you hear on that chip they found according to nic robertson who is reporting a story for us is all the complaining that osama bin laden does on about the drones, how effective the drones have been, how concerned he is about the drones and i know there are pilot programs to try to get more drones in not only universities but cities as well. do we have drones in this city? using drones more in the city something you want to do? >> no, we are not. police agencies in other parts of the country, where there's more open areas, they're using them, we're not using them. certainly the drone attacks have been extremely effective and i think the administration deserves a lot of credit for that. >> not just checks for recording information and gathering intelligence, too. >> right, exactly. you know, they're monitoring demonstrations that sort of thing in other parts of the country but we're not using them in new york city. >> yesterday we're reporting that one world trade center is
taller than the empire state building because they attached the beam, the rest of the structure is not there yet but it's difficult to say now it's a toll. do you worry what we've done is rebuilt a big giant target in the heart of the financial district? >> there's no other building in the world i believe that's built like world trade center one. it has cost a lot of money largely because of the security aspects of the construction, so it is a very powerfully built structure, but sure, we're concerned about a lot of targets. we have a lot of iconic targets in new york city. we know new york is the number one target for you stits terrorism. we have 14 plots against the city since 9/11. we are vigilant. we have over 1,000 police officers every day devoted to our counterterrorism efforts. we feel we have to, as a time
when we're down in head count we still make the major commitment, because new york is still at risk of final attack. >> when the new building is built, you see the problem tsa at airports. people want security but don't want to wait to be individually scanned and every time a frand mother is set aside be, how could we put that all into a building to eliminate it being a target. >> we could use the sort of technology that is emerging, we have a campus security plan for that whole area that will hopefully allow people who are known to the technology so to speak to be able to get in with relative ease but yes, our world has changed. we're all going to be subjected to a lot more security checks. ufrg that's the world in which we live.
>> are you going to run for mayor? >> i have no plans to run for elected office. >> all right, that sounds definitive. nice to see you, commissioner ray kelly, thank you. >> thank you for having me. other headlines this morning, christine has those. >> the occupy protest movement gearing up for nationwide protest this morning on may day. occupiers are hoping to reenergize by holding a day without the 99%, a general strike that means no work, no school, no shopping and no making. may day demonstrations are planned in more than 100 cities across the u.s. last night things turned ugly in san francisco when a few protesters through paint and broke windows at a police station and vandalized cars. occupy members say the man who did the damage was not a member of their group. a man sexually assaulted
three young sisters 3, 7 and 10 years old in tucson. it's not clear if the assaults might be related to the disappearance of 6-year-old isabel selas. she vanished ten days ago, lives about ten miles away from yesterday's sexual assault. former imf chief dominique strauss-kahn finds out whether a system brought against him will be heard. the criminal case was tossed out. until now the only investigation being conducted for the secret service was by the secret service itself. 12 agents and members of the military are accused of bringing prostitutes to their hotel two days before a president's summit last month. nine agents have already resigned or been forced out. still ahead, delta airlines
taking action to cut down on fuel cost. does that mean we'll pay less for our plane tickets? i hope so. what were they thinking, a couple arrested for towing their grandfather behind an suv in a toy car. we'll talk more about that with aung san suu kyi, will cain and ryan lizza. >> just will, just me. >> "marry me" you're watching "starting point." where is the rest of the gang? what happened? (female announcer) most life insurance companies look at you and just see a policy. at aviva, we do things differently. we're bringing humanity back to life insurance. that's why only aviva rewards you with savings for getting a check-up.
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12-year-olds, i'm like oh my god, mom you're mentioned, duran, duran. minding your business, delta getting into the oil refinery business. christine went to traynor, philadelphia p makes a lot of sense. >> it's either outlandish or brilliant, an airline that wants to buy an oil refinery. it runs on jet fuel and needs to secure the supplies. by buying a refinery it cut out the middlemen and we've been hearing rumbles about this, sounded outlandish but analysts say it's starting to make more sense. >> when we first heard about it two months ago i said no way. >> tell me about the refinery. >> they're saying we're tired of paying $10 or more over the price of crude which is very expensive for jet fuel. >> delta secured the delivery network for jet fuel reaching
throughout the northeast including new york's jfk and laguardia. price tag $150 to conoco phillips, the owner. >> let's talk about that number, when do they start taking back that $150 million. does it happen quickly? >> 1777 is about $200 million. by buying the airplane they secure the fuel for the airplanes. this is a strategic move and they get $30 million from pennsylvania for job creation and will put another $100 million into it because they're trying to maximize the jet fuel. diesel and gasoline will come out of the refinery, they don't need it and will trade it in for jet fuel. >> what does delta know about running an oil refinery? >> they have to hire the people to do it. it's called innovative. for years companies got out of
anything that wasn't their core business. >> isn't this the warren buffett philosophy, you don't just own the product, you own the transportation that brings the product, you can own the entire chain and cut out the middleman and in the long run you make and save money. >> it might be more about just the access because there's a bigger issue here, the northeast. in the northeast there's some funky stuff going on with refine res, geared to take the european and north african crude. since libya last year the crude has risen $20, $30 a barrel. some of the requinryes are using $1 million a day. they need to make sure no more refineries are shut down. half of the refineries are could be shut down in the northeast. delta needs to make sure there is more jet fuel to laguardia. >> at the end of the day, does it save us money?
do i as a frequent delta flyer, my atlanta-new york jaunts will i see a zoint, money saved? >> you will prevent having to pit an awful lot more when there's a shortage or spike in jeff fuel courts. it's not about you getting a break, it's about you not getting -- you know, i'm not going to use the word. it's about you getting on the plane, right. >> right. >> it's wondering whether other airlines follow suit. >> are other business, u.s. military getting intoet refining game and how much are they going to charge us for head cones? >> and how many of my baggage fees to do this deal. it's almost the chinese model. they still have to buy the oil but -- >> which is not a small thing at all. >> no but this is refining it where they need it.
it's like the pizza dlifr drives past the gasoline station and the farmer delivering a pizza because he needs to get it delivered. rupert murdoch has been found unfit to run a major international company. big question now, is he going to be forced to step down from his media emtire as he does run a major internet company and a big get real to a couple who decided to tow their 7-year-old granddaughter behind an suv. didn't work so well pretty much for anyone at all. here's will cain playlist, john cruz "halawe." am i right about that? >> i think so. need any help? uh, nope. just, uh, checking out my ad. can
"squo "jockey full of bourbon." >> you missed the first vocals. >> too slow. can i get some gospel and get people moving. yeah, a little slow. >> i've heard some gospel. >> let's play that. our "get real" this morning. every day i have my favorite story, not always a get real and it is no different today we talk about two florida grandparents from sarasota, florida, now under arrest because they took their granddaughter on kind of a wild ride, paul and gelind gelinde berloni accused of strapping their 7-year-old granddaughter to the suv using a dog leash and dragged her up and down the road giving her joy rides. she was wearing a swimsuit, nothing protective. >> well it is florida. >> not exactly a shocker when i tell you that alcohol was
involved, in fact when asked by the reporter from the fox 13 news she said yeah, if they had some drinks, yeah, we did, this is what mrs. berloni, it's a sunday afternoon h a few beers no, big deal, i didn't think. you'd be wrong. grandfather not even supposed to be driving. he had a revoked license because of a dui they had ten years ago. >> eh. >> now in jail, trying to get the 850 bucks to get out of jail, charged with felony child cruelty. the kid is back with her father apparently he's really mad, the grandmother ms. berloni she was all "woot, woot, woot, the whole time anyway" now she has no supervised conduct with her granddaughter, not allowed to
drink. >> the child's okay? >> now question joke about it? >> yes. sorry, did i leave that out? >> how fast, kind of key. >> they didn't say how fast they were going and the child is absolutely fine. >> that's great. >> i would never make fun of someone if someone was injured. come on, ryan. >> but having said that. >> wanted to make sure. >> grandma and grandpa not coming over to babysit any time soon. >> the drinking, the dog leash behind the suv. >> have they been offered a reality show? >> that would be a really good idea. >> you can imagine him setting the beer down going "i've got a great idea." >> not so much. still ahead we've not done enough to save the economy, that's what nobel prize winning economist paul krugman has to say. plus breaking news, rupert
murdoch found unfit to run his companies. we'll bring you live to london with developing details. if pink slime was a phrase that disturbed you, wait until you hear about meat glue. anybody know what that is? >> great. >> and you might be paying even more of it because of meat glue. we'll tell what you it is straight ahead on "starting point." and pure natural flavors. coffee-mate natural bliss. from nestle. add your flavor naturally.
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yeah, that is certainly the paragraph that is going to capture a lot of the headlines here in the uk. here is the report as you say, concluding on page 70 that rupert murdoch is not a fit and proper person to interthe stewardship of an international company. it was drawn up by a group of politicians. they didn't agree on that paragraph. it was a marrow majority but they agreed on the other main points the editor of "news of the world" colin myler, tom crohn and les hinton all misled them when they gave evidence earlier on that they misled parliament, that's a serious charge. the report will be put before the house of commons, probably vote it through unanimously and no one knows what will happen then. it's possible they'd be called
to apologize in person which hasn't happened since the 1950s. it's a big deal but also this criticism of rupert and james murdoch, withering criticism about their grip on this situation or lack of grip on the phone hacking situation that will have big knock-on news reports in the u.s. >> it "exhibited willful blindness" to what was going on in his public's publications. in addition to an apology which takes you some steps the bigger question is what happens to this media empire if he's deemed to be unfit to run part ap.? >> reporter: well absolutely. shareholders are not going to be too impressed with this, to put it neither will. it's particularly damning for their attempt to take over the
bskyb here. they withdrew from that bid and the regulator, they still hold 39% of company. the regulators will decide whether they have a broadcast license to broadcast in the country and another piece of damning evidence taken into account. it is very bad news for "ne "newscorps" globally and a blistering broad-side attack from a group of politicians in london. >> dan rivers thanks. christine has more now. >> the al qaeda's name being heard lawed and clear in election politics. the president is pumping up his role in his raid and questioning whether mitt romney would have ordered the mission in the first place.
>> i said that i'd go after bin laden if we had a clear shot at him, and i did. if there are others who have said one thing and now suggest they'd do something else, then i'd go ahead and let them explain it. >> romney will be in new york today advise thing a firehouse with former mayor giuliani osam. >> as president obama said five years ago, if another nation cannot or will not take action, we will, and it is an unfortunate tact that to save many innocent lives we are
sometimes obliged to take lives, the lives of terrorists who seek to murder our fellow citizens. >> they argued as more countries use technology they might play a role in terrorism. testimony about john edwards and rielle hunter. authorities say andrew young tried to use it to threaten it up as the affair unraveled. cheri young broke down in tears as she testified how the former senator asked her family to hide the affair with hunter for the good of the country. >> your a.m. house call this morning the numbers behalfinni s
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witnesses say he gave them a thumbs up from the top, he discharged himself, soledad and went right back to the party. >> wow. >> um-hum. >> and he's got the tape for the world to see. >> glad to hear he's fine he's doing just fine. this year's big debate a question is have we done the right thing by our economy or did we not when we should have. should we be getting back to work or cutting back? paul krugman uses his columns in "the new york times" to push his assertion we did not do enough and the government should be putting more money into the economy. he has a new book called "end this depression now!" he is the winner of the nobel prize in economics. appreciate you here. this book looks forward and not backward. if that's driving you crazy you can take it out. we have a little analysis in the
past. what should we be doing now to fix the question? >> if you ask what is the biggest drag on the economy, the private sector is actually coming back to about the same number of private sector jobs we had when barack obama was sworn in as president but the public sector has been cutting back. >> government jobs. >> we've been laying off lots and lots of works at the state and local level because they're not getting the aid from the government we should. if we get back to the number of people on normal bases we'd be employing at the state and local level, a lot of them school teachers, if we do the road repair that's been postponed, we'd be adding over $700 billion to the economy and that would be enough to get unemployment below 7% to get the economy going, it's reverse this misguided, budget cutting is fine but not when you're in a depression which i say we are, reverts this
misguided budget cutting we've done the last few years, get the spending back up there, get the economy on track and talk about deficits about that. >> you say depression and many say a recession. >> recession is when things are heading down. depression is when you have ups and downs but stays depression. the great period included some periods that were called economic recoveries and some recessions. it's not as bad as the '30s, that's not much of a standard but it's pretty terrible. that was the great depression. this is the lesser one. it's an awful situation and importantly it's a time when usual rules don't apply to the economy. >> you're talking about a political year. >> right. >> also a time when people are looking at the debt crisis saying have you lost your mind? all that spending is going to go back and affect our debt crisis? >> the question you ask is what debt crisis? yes there is an issue about long-term u.s. government debt
but the markets don't think we have a problem with borrowing now. the markets think they need to lend at record low interest rates adjusted for inflation, they're willing to pay the u.s. government to keep their money so it's also very important to understand that slashing spending under these conditions doesn't even help your debt problems. it shrinks the economy and the revenue base and hurts the long run of the economy and it's pretty strong evidence that slashing spending makes your long run problem worse. >> when is the appropriate time to put spending cuts in place and to develop a plan to get responsible? >> develop a plan you should always do if you can. >> well we don't. >> implementing it now is counterproductive. the time is pretty straightforward. once the private sector has come back enough so that you don't need this government support, once, which pretty much
technically once we get to the point where the federal reserve would raise interest rates because we're worried about the economy overheating you can have the fed not raise interest rates to offset that. that's what happens when unemployment rates get below 7%. >> if i accepted that's when we should begin our cutting measures is there anything in our history suggests we have, that we ever tackled these problems? >> yes, look, think about social security, we actually had a major costly revenue saving commissioner in the early '80s, technical reasons why it's fallen short but we took a lot of action and this whole notion once you increase spending you never bring it back, the experience of the last three years is a perfect reputation.
we have a short inadequate stimulus that went away and government spending is below what it was relative to the economy, what it was before the crisis so you've just seen a perfect demonstration that this is not a ratchet that increase in government spending can be a temporary thing and people talk knowingly but we just did. >> the book is called "end this depression now," we appreciate it. >> thank you. is new jersey governor chris christie singing a new tune about a vice presidential run? plus the softer side of bible's ironman, cal ripken, jr., he'll talk about helping to rebuild joplin, missouri. from cows to barry white. when you have diabetes...
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think i'll just stay here and drink" off of will cain's playlist, merle haggard. we've grown accustomed to christ christie shutting down any thoughts he should run for president or vice president this year. take a listen. >> can you imagine, the person who picks me as vice president would have to be sedated, if i said i should go to a funeral? vice presidency, i want to be governor of new jersey, i ran to be governor of new jersey, i believe come november 2012 i'm going to be governor of new jersey. and not in any other office. but if you're a betting guy you should bet on chris christie being the governor of new jersey, november, 2012. >> so i take that as a no. i think that's a fairly entertaining and strong no. this morning, though, sounds like he's backing away from that very strong no. yesterday while visiting a high school in new jersey he was asked if he might be open to becoming mitt romney's running
mate. here's what he said. >> what i said before, i have no interest in being vice president but if governor romney called and asked me to sit down and talk to him about it i'd listen because you owe the nominee of your party that level of respect and who knows what he's going to say. he might be able to convince me. he's a convincing guy. >> huh. so not only is that not a no, it's such a different tone and not because he's talking to high schoolers but he likes the gig. >> don't get irritated when we ask you over and over. don't get irritated when we don't accept your answer because chances are you're going to change it. >> if you hang out with mitt romney you're going to catch flip-flop that's the lesson of this. chris christie will not be the vp party for the party. he believes in climate change, medical cannabis, he doesn't
hate illegal immigrants. >> christie is loved by conservatives, they don't hold the views against him, they love the guy he is running for vice president. that's how you run for vice president. >> he's a breath of fresh air! i mean, please! >> it's more about getting the job than clinging to your ideology. >> i don't think, despite the santorum campaign and despite the fact that some conservatives don't support romney he doesn't have a base problem. republicans are supporting him in the 90s. he does not have a base problem. >> he's the guy. >> they hate obama more than they dislike romney but this is how you run for vice president. you talk about it. doesn't matter what you say. you talk about it so we talk about it. >> i'm surprised, originally he was shutting it down, he was mocking the people who dared to mention that maybe he'd be a vice presidential candidate. >> that's why people love chris christie, certainty, right? certainty. >> i love to see the gop run two
moderates from the northeast on a ticket. >> that's a problem. >> the reason he probably doesn't go with christie is romney is a pretty cautious, safe guy and he wants this campaign to be about obama, doesn't want this game about him or his vice presidential running mate and if you pick someone who has more charisma than you do and a controversial, interesting record in new jersey we'll pick apart. >> interesting, i lake that. >> you want a boring white guy from the midwest who nobody is going to pay attention. >> who is going to help you. ultimately you should make a pick that will help you with some portion of the population. >> it's less ambitious than that. first thing is do no harm. the vice presidential candidates don't win states. there's a lot of political science on this. >> you just named rob portman, boring guy from the midwest. >> that's who i heard. still ahead on "starting point," who could forget when all of those exotic animals, remember this when the guy released
before he killed himself. not political news. there was that massive hunt. this morning some of those animals are going to be sent home, some people say it is a dangerous thing to do and the home may not be ready for them. also he is baseball's all-time ironman, the hall of famer cal ripken jr. is in the house showing us his playlist as well, jackson five, i like you already!
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i want to point out that cal ripkin, jr., and i share the exact same playlist. that's stevie wonder. >> that dates us. >> don't say that. i'm 23. he's been called baseball's ironman because for 16 seasons he never missed a game. now hall of famer cal ripkin, jr., is using that to give back. he's just back from joplin, missouri. he worked with volunteers and habitat for humanity to rebuild destroyed homes. nice to have you with us. why joplin? in a way it feels like there are so many places devastated where you could spend your time. why was joplin so important to you? >> i've been with energizer for the last six years. they partnered in their initiative this year with habitat for humanity in a 13 city tour. when you see the destruction from the tornado, you can't get a feel for it when watching it on tv. >> 13 miles of destruction.
it took out the city. >> they have cleaned it up now. we were there building two homes as part of this project. i found out that i had skill with hammer and nail. the spirit there is really great to be a part of that. >> do you miss baseball? >> there are certain aspects of the game you miss. i had a chance to play it almost consecutively to a point where i know what it feels like to be good and bad and fail and succeed and all that kind of stuff. you do miss being on the inside and being part of something and you're in the know. now you watch it like everybody else and you feel like i'm not on the inside anymore. it is true. you miss being part of a team. >> let me ask you a question. i'm not a giant baseball watcher. i love professional sports because i love the lessons that people learn from professional sports. if you could say one thing that you walked away from at the end of 16-year career where you had incredible highs, what was the life lesson you got out of it? >> i think you learn about your
individual responsibility because even part of a team, everybody relies on everybody else to do their job in concert with everyone else. the individual responsibility and the responsibility you have to the team is first and foremost and you have to mesh it together. we're all different trying to have a common goal. we call it chemistry in sports. maybe it's culture in other workplaces. certainly it's understanding your role on the team and then bringing it all together. >> how old were you when you retired? >> i was 41. >> started playing baseball when you were how holold? >> i started when i was eight. >> when you are done with baseball at 41. you have been a baseball player at your entire life at that point. that's what you've done every day. how hard is it to wake up on that next day and define yourself? >> i think a lot of us have problems with that. i saw a lot of players retire in the early part of my career and they were lost a bit.
i started preparing for it. doing things in the off-season. doing things in the business sense almost to make a transition so i wouldn't be sort of left out. i'm not to say i figured it all out. certainly from the day i left baseball, we own three minor league teams, i have two kids' complexes and put a suit on and went to work as a sense of purpose so you didn't sit around and try to figure out what you want to do. i stayed active. i still stay active. >> is that a problem for a lot of colleagues that get out and don't know what to do with themselves and how to make money and have a different career? >> if you're good at anything, you immerse yourself into it. that's all you do. that's what baseball players do and you're out and now you have to figure out now what? some people struggle with that. once you find something, immerse yourself into something again. >> i think celebrity is one of the goofiest things that people have created but to use yours and help these people. were you aware of habitat for
humanity before then? >> we started the energizer keep going hall of fame to bring highlights to every day people that do great things. this effort is to really go in and have a significant impact in 13 cities. >> was it weird for them to hammer next to cal ripkin, jr.? >> kind of. >> want to talk baseball. >> to a point you shine a light you get attention for being a baseball player. now you shine a light on good things. i really enjoyed that aspect. >> you can lift heavier boards than jimmy carter can. >> these houses are the most nailed houses around. everyone has a hammer and everyone has nails. they will never fall down. >> how can people help? if they want to help these folks, how can they get involved? >> habitat.org is a way. it's on the website with energizer. it's on habitat's website. the cool thing is we can act individually and make an impact but if we act collectively we can make a bigger impact which is what this is. >> would you go back to baseball tomorrow saying we would love to
have you back. we'll start you? >> as a player? no. i couldn't go back as a player. >> what about as dh? >> no. >> that was an interesting pause. how about as a manager. how about inside a front office? >> i think there's some interest i have to come back to use baseball expertise. i wanted to be there for my kids to get them through college. my last kid is a senior in high school. i could look at the camera saying i'm available so somebody offer me a job. >> i doubt this is your application. have you talked to anybody? talked to the orioles? >> i've been flattered to be asked whether i want to manage a couple different teams. i thought if you're not interested, don't go through the interview process. just be honest with them. >> you are telling us fall 2012 you'll be managing a team. >> goes off to school in the fall. i've done the math. thanks for being with us. still ahead on "starting
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>> you slammed tom wade's. >> i said slow. ryan lizza joins us. a washington correspondent for the new yorker. john fugelsang is with us and will cain a columnist at the blaze.com. there are concerns that al qaeda could try to explode u.s. bound planes with explosives hidden inside the body of terrorists. people would put them inside their bodies to make their way through the screening machines and not trigger them and that warning comes on the one-year anniversary of the death of osama bin laden. security at airports in europe and the middle east has been stepped up as a result. there are hints at future al qaeda threats. german agents nailed an al qaeda operative last year found a memory chip in his underwear. they said it looked like a pornographic movie but found future operations drawn up by some of al qaeda's most senior
operatives and some of those plans involved maybe taking over a cruise ship and hijacking that cruise ship and sending a statement by putting passengers in orange jump suits to mimic how guantanamo bay al qaeda operatives who have been held there how they were dressed and then -- >> they would sneak thousands of orange jump suits on a cruise liner as part of their terrorist plot? >> depends on where you are. you wouldn't have to sneak them on. if you have the right people on other ships nearby taking part in it. >> al qaeda wardrobe department would take care of that. >> it sounded very terrifying. interesting earlier when i was talking to commissioner ray kelly from new york police department, it was amazing. i was glad he was aware of a lot of these things that sometimes percolate and sound new to us. these are all things they considered. if you think of someone paranoid about security, he would be the guy paranoid about security here. >> hard for us to remember and
appreciate how big and expansive nypd counterterrorism intelligence agency is. they are up there with the cia and fbi in knowing these things. for those of us that aren't, this is a reminder that al qaeda is out there thinking and planning. >> it's the lone wolf strategy that scarce them the most. >> we're down to lone wolf attacks. smaller scale knock on wood. it does show that we've had great deal of success in eliminating their capability to pull off a major well coordinated attack. >> one of the things they found in some of this information that came out of the capture of osama bin laden was the degree to which drones were problematic. how much he hated the drones and how the drones were clearly having a huge impact on the damage to his operation. >> a lot of civil libertarians and show.
>> one of the most important revelations we found in bin laden's compound was obsession with killing barack obama, whether that's realistic or not, because he felt that obama had changed the narrative and loss this constructive war on terror dialogue and moved it toward a nonmilitary solution. >> i think we have nic robertson standing by for us in london this morning. we were just talking about your report that i was listening to on anderson's show last night. update us on this information that was gleaned from the chip they found in this operative's underwear. >> there is a document part of 141 recovered there and this is al qaeda in 2009 laying out its
future plans, plans that they have stuck with. one of the plans is to hijack, if you will, a cruise liner, execute passengers, upload those videos to the internet, they also would like to do mumbai style attacks. this was the attack in india in 2008. ten gunmen storming hotels killing 164 people. what they are saying in this document is al qaeda wants to go on this twin track approach. mumbai style cheap, easy to do, not too complicated plan attacked even with a lone gunman and also go after those large attacks like 9/11, like some of the other plots that are detailed in all of these documents. but what we also learned in those documents is that al qaeda recognizes counterterrorism officials are getting better. they are losing key operatives in pakistan because of drone strikes to the point that some operatives this document says aren't even planning operations anymore because they are so
afraid of being targeted. there are a lot of details in this document, soledad. >> it was an absolutely fascinating read. when i was talking to commissioner ray kelly from ny approximate everyonypd earlier this morning, he said their biggest concern was the lone wolf. are you seeing the same thing? >> what we saw recently in france where a gunman killed seven people in a lone attack and al qaeda claimed responsibility for it, muslim extremists following al qaeda's views, if you will, that is the kind of thing that can happen. this is what al qaeda is advocating in its new plans. these easy to do operations that aren't complicated because they know the complicated operations now are being interrupted and stopped by counterterrorism officials because they are much better at doing their job. and this is al qaeda's concern. so these lone wolf attacks now according to al qaeda are the sort of thing they think that
can help keep the momenumentum going and they are hard to spot. >> let's get to christine romans. >> the occupy protest movement gearing up for nationwide demonstrations this morning on may day. occupiers are hoping to reenergize by holding a day without the 99%. it's a general strike that means no work, no school, no shopping and no banking. occupy may day demonstrations are planned in more than 100 cities across the u.s. may day traditionally known as international workers day with roots back to the 1800s. labor groups are holding marches and demonstration this morning. the golden gate ferry is shut down because of a may day workers strike. they will restart service at 2:15 this afternoon. police are searching northeast tucson this morning looking for a suspect who broke into a home and sexually assaulted three young sisters. the girls reportedly just 6, 8 and 10 years old. it's not clear right now if
these assaults might be related to the disappearance of 6 year old isabel celis who vanished ten days ago lives ten miles from the scene of yesterday's attacks. a new task force in florida reviewing the state's stand your ground law in the wake of the trayvon martin shooting. the 17-member panel is meeting for the first time today discussing whether the controversial law should be changed. the panel will review testimony from the public in meetings held throughout the state. final recommendations will be passed along to florida's governor, rick scott. they are expected to be complete by the next legislative session in 2013. a new video and what appears to be a new motto. forward. that's the title of the seven-minute video that will debut saturday at the president's first official campaign rallies in ohio and virginia. it makes the argument that the economy is improving under the president's watch despite overwhelming resistance from the
republican party. soledad? >> all right. thank you. let's get to some breaking news this morning. rupert murdoch has been found not fit to run an international company. it's a report from a select committee of lawmakers in the u.k. it says murdoch and his media empire deliberately misled the british parliament about the scope of the phone hacking scandal at the "news of the world" tabloid. >> everyone knows who is responsible. rupert murdoch. more than any individual alive he is to blame. morally, the deeds are his. he paid the piper. it is his company. his culture. his people. his business. his failures. his lies. his crimes. the price of profits and his power. >> that's british parliament member tom watson who has been particularly harsh on rupert murdoch. dan rivers is in london for us this morning.
that's absolutely devastating testimony there, dan. >> reporter: it is. i think it's important to know a couple of things. they were unanimous in their decision, these politicians, from all political parties. the committee had been misled by various news international staff including the chief lawyer and former editor of the paper and one of the longest serving tenants of rupert murdoch but couldn't decide to announce whether rupert murdoch was unfit. the conservative party thought it shouldn't be included. members here thought it should be included. in the end it got voted through by a majority of one. it's in the report. it's controversial. it's blistering and withering for rupert murdoch. it will sting here and in the
u.s. and will no doubt have big repercussions for news corp. >> what do you think those repercussions could actually be? >> reporter: already they were attempting to buy up the rest of bskyb which they own 39% of that. they abandoned that in the wake of the phone hacking scandal. now there's a question of whether they can hold any shares in bskyb. the tv regulator is debating on whether they are fit and proper people to hold a broadcasting license in the united kingdom. this report is going to be included in their assessment and it's not good news. basically if politicians, this powerful committee, says they're not fit and proper people, possibly the regulator may agree. >> dan rivers for us this morning. thank you. still ahead on "starting point," five exotic wild animals set
loose by an ohio man shortly before he committed suicide are now being returned home. some people say it's a dangerous move and could create another panic. we'll tell you why. she is 4'11". and this georgia firefighter walking kind of tall after she was able to make the biggest save of her career. we'll tell you what she was able to do. here's john's playlist. haven't heard this in a long time. you're warting sta iwatching "s point." [ male announcer ] this was how my day began.
there's a wireless mind inside all of us. so, where to next? ♪ >> if you remember the night when lions and tigers and cheetahs went wild in ohio, a widow is getting back five of her husband's exotic pets. he let loose more than 50 animals back in october including wolves and lions and bears before he committed suicide. most animals were killed by
authorities. two leopards, two monkeys and a bear survived and have been kept at quarantine at the columbus zoo and now the officials have cleared them of dangerous or contagious disease and the widow plans to keep them on her farm. we're joined from ohio this morning. thanks for your time. we appreciate it. there were 56 animals. five now survived. those are five that are being returned. you have been to that farm. tell me a bit of what you think of returning the animals there? >> i was there the day the tragedy happened and then the next day as capture and recover. it was horrific event but it was also a horrific area. the areas that they would contain the animals were not suitable. they were not clean. they did not have appropriate space to accommodate the animals and we're very concerned for not only for the animals but also
for the community. >> so has that changed dramatically? why does the widow want the animals back? as she sort of fixed up the area? >> you know, i haven't been back to the area at the thompson farm. we have been a resource at the columbus zoo and aquarium for the state of ohio, the department of agriculture and law enforcement. i know that there has been talk with the local law enforcement and health officials to inspect the area prior to allowing the animals to go back to that property. >> so will you be part of any kind of monitoring of the farm and now the cages for these remaining animals? >> we have reached out to thompson and the columbus zoo and aquarium is willing to be a resource for her as well as to educate anyone that is holding restricted species or dangerous
wild animals to make sure that there is proper standards of care. we want to ensure that the animals are cared for. as well as that the public is safe. >> when you reached out, what has she said in return? >> no response. we really have focused with the state of ohio. unfortunately the state is only one of several states that do not have any type of standards of care for these types of restricted species. the columbus zoo and aquarium stated from day one that these types of animals do not make good pets. for those folks that have these types of animals, we want to provide a resource to educate the owners on what it takes to house the animals and make sure that the animals are cared for and that this tragedy never happens again. >> so there is, of course,
because of this a bill that has passed that would restrict the private ownership of these exotic animals. tell me about the bill. is it a good bill? >> it is a good bill. it's a great start. the senator led the way and it's passed the senate. he had a great resource from the entire state. every aza zoo in the state of ohio had a member on this task force and veterinarians from throughout the state would give inci insight on what it would take to properly house the animals. now we'll wait for the bill to pass the house and it is scheduled after signed by the governor to become effective immediately and then the standards of care would be enforced on january 1st, 2014. >> when will the five animals that remain be returned into the
thompson farm? >> well, we are now coordinating with the veterinarian to discuss the proper handling and being able to ensure that animals are cared for while they are at the columbus zoo and preparing for shipment and that is currently ongoing and we're anticipating just in the next few days the veterinarians will work together to schedule that time. >> we could even see it by the end of the week. tom is from the columbus zoo and aquarium. chief operating officer. it's nice to see you. thank you for your time. we appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead this morning on "starting point," a small firefighter becomes a big giant hero. we'll hear from the 4'11" firefighter who was able to save a little boy trapped in a storm drain. only one who fit.
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>> that's nice. you are so cool. this is "dig me out." >> took the guitarist to the correspondents dinner. >> you're so cool. >> did you hear the story about this little boy that fell 20 feet down a storm drain happened in east point, georgia. all of the firefighters rushed to the scene but they were too big to fit down the storm drain that was very, very narrow. that's the baby there. so they called in one of the
firefighters who was the smallest on the team. 4'11" who is 50 years old. took off her gear wearing her pants and t-shirt was able to squeeze into the opening which is a foot wide. able to grab the boy and then they both were hauled up. she spoke about it on "early start" this morning. >> he was clutching. i could hardly manipulate him because he was terrified. he just really didn't want me to take my hants off of him. it was a little bit difficult and we did not have much space to maneuver but we were able to get him up to my shoulders and then like a military press over my head. >> she says she's claustrophobic being sent down 20 feet but her fear went away and reminded her of her second son. both this scrapes and bruises and were checked out at a local hospital and were fine. she says every day is different
on the job. what i love -- one of the reasons i love firefighters is at the end of the day it was team work, it was team work. did an interview talking about all of the team work and as much as she was one that went down the drain it was about the team and making it happen. >> one did have to yank the rope, soledad. >> or there would be two people stuck. excellent point. >> i have a 1 year old. i can't imagine him falling into a hole like that and coming out and being all right. >> you can see it happen. they are so fast and get away. still ahead -- >> another thing to worry about with an infant. >> fantastic. >> a new revelation to tell you about in that amish beard cutting case forcing the defendant to shell out cash and fact inspires fiction. a former white house speech writer who you all know has written a novel criticizing american politics. we'll talk with david frum
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welcome back. rupert murdoch is not a fit and proper person to run a major international company is the conclusion of a committee of lawmakers in london who just released a report that says that murdoch and his media empire deliberately misled the british parliament about the scope of the phone hacking scandal at the new defunct "news of the world." >> anybody know what that was? >> we're not sure.
>> that sounds like we got audio that doesn't match our video. >> james murdoch has hacked this entire operation. >> tom watson from british parliament has been coming out very, very harshly against rupert murdoch and it could prompt murdoch to sell his stake in british sky broadcasting. we'll continue to follow the story for you. let's go to christine for the rest of the morning headlines. good luck with technology. >> a sex tape john edwards recorded with mistress rielle hunter will play a role in the edwards' trial. jurors will not be able to see the tape just hear testimony about it. former aide andrew young stole the tape from hunter and tried to sell it or use it to threaten edwards as his attempt to cover up the affair unravelled. young's wife is due back on the stand today after breaking down
in tears as she testified how the former senator asked her family to hide his affair with hunter for the good of the country. a shocking new revelation in the amish beard cutting case. officials have found out that the leader of the group accused of cutting the beards of religious rivals is a millionaire. and now he has to pay for his public defender. samuel mullet was being represented by a taxpayer funded attorney but back in march he received more than $2 million for leasing part of his 800 acre farm to oil and gas companies. a judge says he must pay twice the hourly rate to keep his defender and pay for prior legal work performed. the grand ole opry is suing the federal government. it was the result of negligence on the part of the u.s. army corps of engineers saying they
botched the operation of an upriver dam and didn't give ample warning. 90-year-old betty white made her pick in california's 28th congressional district. white appeared in an ad alongside her co-star for longtime congressman howard berman. her love of animals the deciding factor. >> if you want a friend in washington, do you know what do you? >> get a dog. that's what i've been told. >> what else? >> re-elect congressman powered berman. the valley leader who fights for humane treatment of all animals. >> betty white almost as well known for animal advocacy as for her good work getting laughs. dropping the f bomb could cost you. people are fed up with kids and some adults cursing out loud in the downtown business district. so the police chief wants to start writing $20 tickets to those caught swearing. the law is already on the books
but hasn't been enforced in years. there you go. >> that's a good idea. i curse like a sailor. you could make a ton of money. i support that. >> during commercial breaks soledad is nothing but vulgar y vulgarity. >> that's not true. >> cnn contributor david frum has written six books but has a new work called "patriots." it's a novel. it's a political satire with factual inspiration. we'll get to your musical choices which we had last chunk of time. who is in the book? who really is in real life. name names for us. come on, every time they write fiction they write it to put people in who they couldn't do in a nonfiction novel. >> i won't name names. we have a sinister cable news
work run by a man in enormous amounts of trouble. >> it's clearly current tv. >> and then they hack him. i wrote that before hacking scandal broke. there are a range of radio hosts. there are corrupt think tank analysts. there are internet folks who make their living forging videos. a lot of this is about life of washington as we know it but we don't talk about it. i've been in washington a long time. i'm sick of not talking about it. >> you did it under fiction so no one would sue you later about it. was it fun to write fiction? >> it was a lot of fun. i want to make it a fun experience for the reader because this book has got some serious themes about the dysfunction of dwoft and why it is that government is neglected
people in this crisis. that's kind of a sobering story. if you want to get people to pay attention to something important, you have to make them laugh the whole way through. >> you and i have known each other a long time. i remember covering the bush white house talking a lot after 9/11. one thing you said recently is 2008 financial crisis was a more searing experience to you than even 9/11. it sort of shook your faith in politics. why? >> because 9/11 came out of a clear blue yonder. there were mistakes that led to it. the crisis was so preventible and the impact on people has been so horrific but most of all the neglect of our political system of this impact. i just -- this is one of the things you keep seeing. the novel is set in a city where everyone is having a good time. you keep having little bits of different world. panhandlers. people out of work. at one point sitting in a coffee shop noticing the guy beside him
has taped his glasses because he can't afford to fix them. in our washington, try to get a reservation in a restaurant on thursday night. impossible. we're doing great. the rest of the country is not. >> you write do you know why i can't have a plate here? ethics rules, he said to place in space somewhere over my shoulder. lobbyists can't buy dinner for members of congress and that's anything eaten with a plate and cutlerly. is that true? >> they can serve you a lamb chop in a napkin but not on a plate. one of my most cynical characters has made good as big deal washington lobbyist lives on a huge spread on the shore. he lavishes money on everyone around him and collects money from everyone around him. >> looks like eliot spitzer on
the cover. handsome man. you see his chin. >> he's a good looking guy. heir to america's biggest mustard fortune. that's one of the reasons he's able to go everywhere because of course if you arrived in washington and people think you have money to give away, you have a lot of friends. >> is it uplifting or depressing? >> i hope it is uplifting. in the end in this horrific city, this character starts off as a worthless figure. mr. mustard. realizes that it's partly all of our faults. people in this system. systems are based on people. if he does better and he has a chance, he has a chance to make an important decision and in the end he does the right thing and that offers a little bit of hope at the end of what kind of changes we could make that would make the system do better. >> we've been talking a lot about whether or not this osama bin laden killing has been
politicized for political parties. do you think that it has been with president obama -- what's the line between touting your record in an election year and going over that line and making sort of political? >> if this raid had gone badly, president obama would have had to wear the blame so because it goes well, he gets the credit. that's the political deal. i don't think anybody in politics should deny him any smidgen of credit. >> the next line is romney wouldn't have done the same thing. that's what was said. >> romney needs to push back there. the other important decision in foreign policy this president made was to massively increase the investment in afghanistan. what do we have to show for that? the romney response should not be to attack obama where he is strong on the bin laden raid. applaud him for that. say he did the right thing. i congratulate him. now why are we in afghanistan now? president sent tens of thousands more troops there. spent more money. we're in no better place than we were and we're more dependent on
pakistan. >> what he said was even carter would have made that call. >> he needs better writers. and now your book is done. >> i'm not eating lunch in this town ever again. >> wow, wow, wow. we have to take a break. us a nice to catch up with you. congratulations on the book. good luck with it. a story of survival. a man crushed by a 20-ton bus that not only lives to tell about it but is now an ironman athlete. we're talking live to a woman who gave birth to the legend. that would be michael jordan's mother. giving advice on how she helped her son dream big. here's christine's playlist. you're watching "starting point." everyone in america depends on the postal service.
i get my cancer medications through the mail. now washington, they're looking at shutting down post offices coast to coast. closing plants is not the answer. they want to cut 100,000 jobs. it's gonna cost us more, and the service is gonna be less. we could lose clientele because of increased mailing times. the ripple effect is going to be devastating. congress created the problem. and if our legislators get on the ball, they can make the right decisions.
introducing us to a guy who went from the brink of death to becoming one of the world's most fit men. it's a firefighter. his name is matt long. he was crushed by a 20-ton bus as he was biking to work one day. somehow he managed to survive. here's a look at his incredible stor story. >> december 2005. new york city is in the midst of a massive transit strike. public transportation is completely shut down. new york city firefighter matt long has no choice. he must hop on his bike to get across the city to the fire academy. this wasn't just training. you needed to get somewhere. >> i needed to get to work. i made it four blocks. >> four blocks and then disaster. a bus that had crossed multiple lanes of traffic made a right turn. in the process slammed directly into matt long. >> he didn't see me, didn't know i was there or whatever and took me right under the front wheel. >> reporter: in an instant, the
self-described fitness junky went from dominating racecourses to barely surviving. >> from my left leg, every bone compound fracture, my right side of my pelvis was shattered and open fracture well and my right shoulder was crushed. the worst part was the bike and i became one and itse severed m abdominal wall. ways bleeding out. >> reporter: long was in the hospital for six months and underwent 40 operations. he survived physically but mentally he was battling nearly crippling depression. >> right at the table at the doctor's appointment i'm glad you prayed for me to live and i wish you had prayed for me to die because i can't do this. >> learning to live in his new body became long's biggest challenge. >> i didn't think about what i wouldn't have anymore. i didn't think about how i wouldn't run as fast as i used to run. i'll get back on the bike and back on the run course and live
my life as best as i can. >> now retired long coaches and regularly shares his story to motivate others to transform themselves. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, new york. >> wow. i love stories like that. i find them so inspirational. we have to take a break. still ahead, michael jordan's mom will join us live telling stories about his son's big dreams and how they paid off with olympic gold and much more. it's a message she wants all kids to hear so she turned it into a children's book. we'll share that with you as "starting point" continues. stay with us. so who ordered the cereal that can help lower cholesterol and who ordered the yummy cereal? yummy. [ woman ] lower cholesterol. [ man 2 ] yummy. i got that wrong didn't i? [ male announcer ] want great taste and whole grain oats that can help lower cholesterol? honey nut cheerios.
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in her new children's story called "dream big." nice to see you. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> you bet. your book is in part about your son's dream but i know your bigger strategy is to motivate not just kids but also parents. why did you write this book? it's one of a bunch you've written. >> i really wanteded to write this book because i know with the olympics coming and i do not hear our young people talking about participating as much. i wanted to share again how prestigious the olympics was back in the '70s and what a dream michael had to be an olympian and i wanted to just really share with you to motivate yourself and set goals and work hard and be proud of our country. i think he was extremely proud when he was able to make the team and i just want to share it
with the young people as well as adults. >> it really is a story. a picture book about michael as a little boy and how he loved basketball and carried his basketball with him. did he tell you when he was a kid at 9, i'll make the olympic team one day? >> you know what? i was in the kitchen cooking and mr. jordan came in in 1972 russia was playing the u.s. i'm sure a lot of the viewers out there remember that. we lost. we lost because there was a mix-up at the end. mr. jordan and i was highly upset. he heard it. he walked in the kitchen. he said one day i'm going to be an olympian. i said, yes, you are. that dream he held close to his heart. he worked hard. and when he was asked to participate, he did go out and work and he was able to make the team in 1984. >> soledad mentioned you have written several books. i'm upset with you. you might have to come over to
my house and explain to the 4 year old that putting salt in his shoes isn't going to make him taller which was your previous book. the point is serious that michael's path to superstardom and olympics which seemed to obvious and destined to all of us wasn't to you guys when he was younger, is that right? >> to us and i often get that question. michael was just a normal child like all of the other four. again i think we really tried to encourage each one to set goals and work hard. what i think you have been able to see in michael is setting goals, working hard to achieve and discipline himself and i want to really pass that along to the young people again. you must have goals and that's what started in my household was setting goals and working hard. >> it wasn't really about the salt in the shoes. he grew between his sophomore and junior year something like six inches. >> convince my 4 year old of that. he reads salt in the shoes all the time. >> let me tell you how the salt
in the shoes came about because the day he walked in and was talking about height. i was in the kitchen cooking and frustrated when he talked about salt. i said i'll put salt in your shoes and pray over you. with just a comment, he said mother that's a stupid comment, which it was. i did add it to the book. >> in fairness, isn't your older son, james, only 5'8"? maybe it worked. >> again it's been a great time sharing with young people. salt in the shoes i did write in 2000. i still am working with the teachers as well as the students out in the school because it is a motivation book. rather than about basketball. >> let me ask you a question about motivation. there are many, many, many people who consider him to be the greatest basketball player of all time. yet his team, the charlotte bobcats, have a terrible,
terrible, terrible record. the worst. does he call you? i'm just being -- will's mocking me. i'm being honest. how do you motivate -- does he still come to you for motivation. how does someone get motivated from tremendous heights to turn around something that he obviously loves but is not doing well at this moment. >> you know, we have been there before. are you forgetting in 1984 and 1985, mr. jordan and i sat in the stands for four years. the arena was empty. and he was working and playing so hard and every night they was losing. we have been there before. i think when you are on the bottom, it gives you opportunity to establish a strong, sustainable foundation and you build from that. it will not happen overnight. it did not when he was here in chicago. it took four or five years for him to really work hard and for the team to bring together a strong support system that helped them really be
championship. likewise in business. again, i think you have to set goals, work hard and be disciplined but also everybody has to be accountable. they have to take accountability and do your job when you're the department head. >> can i just call you when i'm having issues at home or at work? i juggle a lot of stuff. will be my life coach to bounce stuff off of? it's so motivating to talk to you. the new book "dream big michael jordan and the pursuit of olympic gold." great to have you. >> thank you for having me. have a blessed day. >> likewise. thank you.
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