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liability. do not put kids in washers. >> this is one story you can't spin as anything but dumb. jeanne moos, cnn. >> do you feel like a hero? >> yeah. >> new york. he is a hero. thank god for him. thanks, very much for joining us. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." the news continues next on cnn good evening. i'm john king. tonight, mitt romney defends his job-creating credentials. he says president obama is a nice guy but is in over his head. secret service talks for the first time about the sex scandal. did top facebook officials and their banks hide vital information to catch out the high stock only to see it
sputter. >> our first extended glimpse of how mitt romney plans to respond to president obama's bain capital? >> turn the tables. i would like to also focus on his roar. what has he done as the president of the united states over the past four years? has he established the revitalization he promised to bring? did he hold unemployment over 8%? it has been 39 months. that hasn't happened. >> in that interview with time, go have romney says his years with bain taught him a lot about why companies succeed and fail. in each of his answers to four questions, he also took time to critique the president's economic credentials. >> this is a president who spends his time blaming other people for the fact that he has been unsuccessful in turning
around this economy. i think the reason you are seeing across the country, people saying they would like to try someone new, because they believe this president, while he may be a nice guy, is simply not up to the task of helping guide an economy. >> you are looking at a live picture right here. that's president obama speaking at a fund-raiser just moments ago. the president responded saying governor romney has drawn the wrong lessons from his time running bain capital. the exchanges are getting more personal as the stakes become more clear. the new nbc wall street journal shows a dead heat and am nus data for the incumbent. over half polled disapprove of how the president is handling the economy. 53% of americans described themselves as less optimistic about the economy. nine points higher than felt that way in january. jessica yellin and gloria borger here. gloria, i want to start with you. governor romney clearly has a strategy of bain which is, i
understand the economy. pivot, turn it back to the president. does he have to be more specific and go company by company and open up the record more? >> at some point, he will have to answer questions, the more specific that the obama campaign questions become. the more specific his answers have to become. at this point, what they are trying to do is, as you say, turn the tables. they don't want this be a choice election. they want it to be a referendum on president obama's lack of success as they would say for the last four years in terms of handling the economy. every time he gets asked a question about bain, right now he says, okay, let's take a look at the president's record and what did he do? generally, he tries to disqualify president obama from talking about the economy by saying something vague like, he doesn't understand. eventually, i think they are going to have to answer these things head-on. >> from the white house perspective, it is early. they have only been on the bain thing for a little more than a week. sometimes it takes time to change public opinion. do they think it is working?
do they think some democrats are complaining? >> they think this is a strategy that works but it is not for everybody. it specifically goes to working class voters who much they think this really resonates with. this he hear the deck is stacked against them. this is one arrow in their quiver. they will also be going after romney's record in massachusetts or his record at the olympics. is we are going to see them going at his record on hispanics. seniors. we are one america. this time, he is going to splinter america into lots and lots of records. >> there is a danger for the president there. people like president obama. if they see him sort of running a negative campaign, they are not going to like him as much. that's a finely nuanced line you have got to walk when you are up for re-election and you are popular. >> this is about romney's values on the economy.
>> how do they deal with the psychology? >> it is not surprise given the tough economy that a majority disapproves of the president's handling of the economy. his numbers have gotten a little bit better. the psychology is what pollsters tell us to worry about. when 53% say they feel pessimistic about the economy, it was only 44% in january. if people feel good about the economy, they will keep their incumbent president. if they feel bad, they might look for change. it is hard to say things are better if people don't feel it. >> they understand that. there has always been this disconnect with how people about the economy and the president personally. his job approval is still at 48%, which is higher than the approval on the economy. so there is this disconnect in voters mind between where the economy is going and how they think the president is doing.
that can carry the president a long way. >> it is a question of optimism. 63% aren't confident that the lives for their children will be better than their lives. >> it is the american dream question. >> it is. that's a big problem for any incumbent. you have to give people a reason to rehire you. you can't just say, you know what, things would have been worse. you have to make the case that's going to get better. >> gloria, jess, thanks so much. you need more evidence. we have a very competitive presidential election. a new poll shows governor romney pulling ahead of florida. governor romney leads the president, 47% to 41%. that's a new quinnipiac university poll. a bigger romney lead if he were to choose the florida senator, marco rubio as his running mate. now, to the firestorm of facebook's offering of stock.
it closed at $32. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg as well as morgan stanley and the other big banks. facebook promises a vigorous defense and faces more problems. investigators in the financial industry and congress want to know if people were intentionally deceived about the stock's intention. in addition to the congressional inquiries, massachusetts is looking into the matter issuing a speen na to morgan stanley about communications it had over facebook's revenues. william gal vin is joining me. mr. secretary, let me use my language, not official language. what you are worried about is that the big guys essentially conspired to screw the little guy. >> yes, that's my concern. we have had a history in massachusetts of finding this kind of behavior. s la the year, we find goldman
sachs for engaging with what they call as huddles, their preferred clients as opposed to average clients. we saw market timing to the benefit of certain customers over others. the issue here is were all investors treated the same or was information given to specified clients which might have led to a different result as to purchase the stock. the greater issue here is if we are going to attract people, average investors back into the marketplace, there has to be a sense of fairness. there has to be an understanding that it is everyone is even. that my money is just as good as yours. investors will not feel that way if they think certain people are getting insider information and others are not. >> what is your concern, that they told people, look, this thing is going to drop like a rock, don't buy it. they told them, it is going to drop and buy it and sell it fast. >> my concern would be that not so much exactly what they told them but that they told everyone the same thing, if they were suggesting hypothetically that the revenues might not be as
strong as they originally projected, they told that to everybody. if the information that they gave to one party was the same they gave to another. the whole concept of an ipo is a very fragile concept to again with. basically, it is, you are dependent very much on the projection and an aalysis being made. you don't know what the prospects are for the future. you are very reliant upon the lead bank in these cases. so the dissim nation of information and to whom it was disseminated is the critical issue. >> are your questions limited to the banks? do you have any questions of what might have happened at headquarters. they decided to offer three times more shares than they were going to offer. it is the facebook team including mr. zuckerberg and his cfo. they decided to pick the high end. any questions about what they were up to? >> well, not at this time. only because our focus right now
at this time is on morgan stanley. obviously, if there was improper communication between the perspective issuer and the bank, that cob another issue and another cause of inquiry. at this point, our focus is on the morgan stanley activity. >> that's the massachusetts secretary of the commonwealth. they did release a statement saying the company followed the same procedures for the facebook offering that it follows for all ipos. these procedures are in compliance with all applicable regular laces. they vote in the first presidential election where the result isn't a foregone conclusion. he assures congress that his agency sex scandal was a one-time thing. >> a lot of people including myself find it hard to believe that all of the sudden, one night in cartahena, they went to
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♪ the director of the secret service spoke public by about the prostitution scandal that overshadowed president obama's trip to columbia. they lost their jobs for being involved in a night of heavy drinking that included bringing prostitutes back to their hotel. the behavior is morally repugnant. i certainly do not want to downplay that fact. >> director, mark sullivan, was apologetic but he was rest salurest so salute in making his case the agent doesn't have a deeper cultural or discipline problem. >> i am deeply disappointed and apologize for the misconduct of these employees and the distraction it has caused. this is not a cultural issue or
a systemic issue with us. >> senator joseph lieberman is the chairman of that committee. senator, you cited five past cases. there was also testimony about some secret service agents being caught with underaged women during the olympics back in salt lake city. when director sullivan says it is not cultural or systemic, do you agree? >> well, i would say this. we don't know enough now based on the evidence the committee has received to conclude there was a pattern of misconduct like what happened in cartagena, columbia, there were cases of misconduct. there were three cases in which secret service agents were involved with foreign nationals as here. there was one case where an agent patronized a prostitute. there was one case of nonconsensual sexual intercourse and then there was through a
hotline tip from the public, this is very important, a report of a case at the salt lake city olympics in 2002 where apparently three agents were apprehended involved in a party with underaged women and a lot of alcohol. discipline was imposed on all of them. so, again, this is over a period of years. thousands of employees of the secret service. so can you conclude that there was a pattern of misconduct that should have warned the agency that something worse was coming like what happened at cartagena, not yet. not in fairness, i can't conclude that. >> you say not in fairness, you can't conclude that. how about director sullivan, does he have your confidence? is he doing what's necessary to stop it from happening again? >> well, he has certainly conducted a quick and tough investigation. the big news today is that at
our hearing going forward, the inspector general of the department of homeland security overseas secret service said he would conduct his own independent investigation of what happened at cartagena. so that's important. let me go to director sullivan. basically, he kept saying to us that he believes that what happened in cart ta haagena was it shocked him. a lot of us find it hard to believe that 13 or 14 different secret service agents went to four different strip clubs and drank to excess and brought women back to their rooms. we had a bit of a tug of war with the director there. i urged him to assume what he believed was fot true. this was a pattern of behavior. what i mean, john, is that he ought to assume that as he goes forward and takes tough steps to
make sure that it never happens again. >> does he have your confidence going forward? >> he does at this point. he has done a rapid investigation. he has been a good leader of the secret service. he is trying real hard to restore public confidence in the secret service agency. i think he still deserves our confidence. >> the secret service says no. have you seen anything that the safety of the president or the security of secret service protocols, operational secrets, things like that have been compromised here? >> no. i agree with director sullivan. i have seen nothing to suggest, certainly nothing to prove that the security of the president was compromised in any way by the irresponsible behavior of those secret service agents in cartagena but ultimately, that is not the point. when you go out to nightclubs and strip joints and you are a secret service agent and you
drink to excess and you bring home women who you know probably are prostitutes, you are running the risk that you are being compromised by some enemy of the united states or some individuals who want to do damage to the president. this kind of behavior is irresponsible to the point of being outrageous. >> mr. chairman, thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you, john z. >> coming up, egyptians line up for something that's never happened in their country ace history. secretary of state, colin powell, weighs in on the same-sex marriage debate. when we got married. i had three kids. and she became the full time mother of three. it was soccer, and ballet, and cheerleading, and baseball. those years were crazy. so, as we go into this next phase, you know, a big part of it for us is that there isn't anything on the schedule.
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welcome back. here is kate bolduan with the latest news you need to know right now. >> hello, john. good evening. let's get caught up on some other headlines. one day down and one to go in egypt's historic presidential election. today's voting seems to be exactly as promised, free from government coercion, calm and with only minor problems reported. 13 candidates are on the ballot. unless one of them gets more than half of the vote, there will be a two-day runoff next month. former secretary of state and joint chiefs chairman, colin powell tells cnn he has no problem with same-sex marriage. here is what you told wolf blitzer. >> as i have thought about gay marriage, i know a lot of friends who are individually gay but are in partnerships with loved ones and they are as
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in this half hour, mccain an nears a deal to letpects see about what its nuclear program is about. a south carolina union official takes a baseball bat to a pinata of the state's republican governor and says there is no reason to apologize. >> we begin this half hour with the important development in the u.s. led effort to prevent iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. they sat down and had talks in baghdad. they were trying to make a deal under which iran would open nuclear facilities in return for loosening of economic sections. others see the talks as nothing more than a cynical iranian
effort to stall for time so it can finish work on a nuclear bomb. among the many sceptics is john mccain along with two colleags wishing the negotiators well but urging them not to ignore iran's history in such talks. the portunity will be lost if the senators if we allow the negotiators to fool us into entering pressure before they have truly abandoned the nuclear ambition. you are quite the skeptic. what is the test. in most negotiations if they give some, the other side gives some. you are saying, the united states and its allies should wait until they get all before they ease sanctions. >> there have been numerous othertime where they have said they will let the inspectors in. they have denied that they are even embarking on this process when the evidence obviously contradicts that. we nee verifiable standards that would prevent them from
reaching a point where they can, quote, break out, in other words, have sufficient materials and capabilities that they can break out in a short period of time develop a nuclear weapon. so that means very stringent adherence to u.s. security council resolution, inspection and including the abandonment of all enriched materials and doing away with their facility. >> you know how these things tend to work. they will say, send in the inspectors. we will agree to "x" and "y." then, with he need confidence building measures. what should the answer be then? >> the answer is, you are either in this game of developing on the path to nuclear weapons or you are not. the criteria should be that whether they have taken sufficient steps to really elimination that process. >> so what should the united states' position be if somebody else at that table, let's say,
russia or china or both of them say, they are giving us some, so let's give them a carrot. >> again, viewing the con text of the past behavior where they have made similar pledges where they have denied they were doing these things. it is obvious that they had violated resolutions, contradicted their own statements and so we are at a point where they are either going to have sufficient evidence thatheyre not on >> y pe by a certain are. age and you know a regime by a certain age. do you believe that these guys are actually willing to give up their nuclear weapons program or do you think this is just sanctions are beginning to hurt and they are trying to find a way to wiggle. >> i am willing to give them a chance here. i am not saying we should not listen to them. but i would expect a very short time frame for them to comply with really what are not really complicated steps. letting the inspectors in intrue
civil any place they want to go, getting rid of enriched material and complying with other resolutions passed by the u.n. security council. it is not that complicated. we can not take their word. don't forget what they are doing in the other part of this world we live in. that is supporting terrorist organizations everywhere, including on the ground now in syria helping bashar assad slaughter syrian people. there is no doubt about what kind of actors they are. >> senator mccain, appreciate your time tonight. >> thanks, john. >> thank you, sir. there is no love loss between union officials in south carolina's pro-business republican governor, nikki haley. is this a protest that goes too far? check it out. a video from last week's gathering attended by donna dewitt and some friends from the labor movement. two things you need to know.
it is donna dewitt with the baseball bat and the face on the pinata, that's governor haley. >> she looks like a tough old girl here. >> wait until her face comes around and whack her. >> donna dewitt joins us from columbia, south carolina. donna, we just showed a segment where you hit the pena to twice. in the portion of the clip that is online, you hit it seven more times. nine times taking a baseball bat to the face of your governor. any regrets? >> oh, no, john. i don't have any regrets. it is a pinata. it was a very casual occasion honoring my retirement. my upcoming retirement which i have planned for five years. it could have been any face on that pinata that i have dealt
with on union issues for the last 16 years but, of course, the most recent one is the relentless attack by our governor and on the union members in south carolina. >> you don't think you owe the governor an apology for taking a baseball bat to her head at least nine times. >> no, i don't, john. my friends were honoring me. it was a pinata. it was a home-made pinata. what people are saying is quite different enter what happened. it was made very sturdily by one of the members. it was very hard to break. it is a child's game. you know and i know that people use pena tas and play games at many of these occasions like this. it was not ill-intended. i have no hostility toward the governor. she thinks she is doing her job. i this i i'm doing mine. they could have put a lot of issues oen that pinata. my husband and i have been married 44 years. there are times you could have put his face on it and he feels
the same way about me. it was a pinata. it was not anything that was intended to be -- i certainly didn't have any hostility. it wasn' intended to be hostile. i never even thought about that until the governor put it on her website. >> you have a son, i understand, and a stepdaughter. >> do you think if they have a disagreement with their teacher, their principal, their future boss down the road, a boyfriend or a girlfriend, should they take a pinata and a baseball bat and take a bat to that pinata nine times or more? >> should people put bull's eyes on people like gabby gifford? >> i don't think so. i didn't make the pinata. i would never say to my friends you need to take this down. i believe in the freedom of media. i believe in the freedom of speech. i believe in a lot of the things that our government no longer believes in. i believe in the rights of
people to have a right to protest. you mentioned that. i have many times -- you take a look at her website. see who she is representing and take a look at our facebook and you will see me with signs representing seniors, representing young people whose education is being cut. the mentally disabled who our state has probably had more cuts in the funding for the mental health than any other state in the united states. >> that's the issue. do you undermine the credibility of that cause, a cause that's credibly important? you have dedicated a lot of your life to this. >> i have. >> do you undermine your credibility in that cause when people show images of youaasebas head? >> my son text me this morning. he is a very conservative, very, a fine husband and a fine father. he just text and said, well, mom, so much for riding off into a peaceful sunset, love you. he knows who i am. he knows who i represent. i have had overwhelming support
from people that understand this has become a tool for our governor to go out and raise money and to try to discourage new membership. >> donna dewitt, i appreciate your time and perspective tonight. thank you for coming in. >> thank you, john. i appreciate you having me on your show. >> coming up, mitt romney's latino problem. can he mend fences with this critical constituency before election day? see life in the best light. outdoors, or in. transitions® lenses automatically filter just the right amount of light.
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problem. he knows it. today, he began an effort to try to fix it, choosing education as his focus. >> here we are in the most prosperous nation on earth. millions of our kids are getting a third world education. america's minority children suffer the most. this is the civil rights issue of our era and it is the greatest challenge of our time. >> governor romney proposes a voucher like system allowing low income and disabled students to attend charter schools or private schools or go to public schools in better districts. it is a start. >> remarkably, not once in a 38-minute appearance at a latino forum did he mention immigration policy. senator john mccain knows full well the quicksand of immigration politician. he has this advice for this cycle's gop standard bearer. >> i think we have to present a
very humane face to the whole issue of immigration, because we know that's what -- how our nation became what it is today. we also need to have a set of principles on overall immigration reform which we would be willing to sit down together and work it out. >> the new nbc wall street journal telemundo poll illustrates the steepness of the hill. 27% of latino voters back president mccain and 67% obama. this is we low the 67% that senator received on election day 2008. 68% of latinos said they were highly interested in the election. that compares to 81% of all voters highly interested. that suggestion a possible intensity gap.
if the election is as close in november as it is today, even a tiny drop for support for president obama could swing a few critical states governor romney's way. truth is, governor romney has more to worry about when it comes to the latino vote, much more. the president is hardly worryfree. let's talk truth with ryan liz and maria cardon and republican strategist, anna. the governor chose to focus on education. he never, never says the words immigration. i believe in those 38 minutes, twice maybe he said the word hispanic. >> i think he could have and should have tailored his comments towards the audience. this was a business audience.
ed kalcase certainly is one of top priorities. we heard from mitt romney, he is going to be participating in a forum next month. it is going to be the first time obama and romney go back to back in front of a latino audience. there, you are going to see immigration talked about. it should be talked about. certainly, it is a vulnerability for romney and an achilles heel for barack obama. >> the president is in great shape, 61% but not 67%. do you hear that from your friends in the community colorado, virginia, north carolina? if latino turnout is down and he gets 61%, 62%, as opposed to 67%, we get a different result. >> there is no question the president can't take it for granted. the results i am seeing in terms
of speaking to latino voters, it is unprecedented. mitt romney is in a huge hole with latino voters. it doesn't surprise me that he didn't mention immigration today. i don't know what he is going to say. he has nothing to say right now. i agree with newt gingrich when he said on the stage that mitt romney is the most anti-immigrant candidate that we have had. given all of the statements that he has made. he talked today about education. his education policy would actually decimate the programs that a lot of latino college students have benefited from. so, again, he says something but then when you look at his policies, it absolutely goes against the interests of latinos. >> you can hear senator mccain say, you need to be more hopeful. can romney afford to try to move back to the center? it wasn't all that long ago mccain/bush/kennedy had a path
to citizenship. or would that be flip-flop, flip-flop. >> i think romney has quite a bit of room to move to the center. i think the base of the republican party in the primaries. they are not willing to tolerate a whole lot of descend. they didn't like a lot of his positions. he moved far to the right on immigration. the conservatives are willing to look past some of the moves he will have to make to the middle. it is more after a character issue. with independent voters. he can hit the president and say, hey, you had four years, where is the immigration reform bill? you never passed it. >> he is so locked in. >> we will see if he gets hfrom >> barack obama is locked in to what he said four years ago. he is going to go in front of naleo, he told that audience and many other latino audiences, i
will do immigration reform in my first year. he had the chance. he didn't. >> people will have to understand. >> there is disappointment. no question about that. they also jupd stunderstand he . he made calls to see if they could at least pass the dream act. guess what he got? a slap in the face. >> should he have put the immigration bill on paper? you are right that the senate republicans would not go along with the bill but should the president have put it on paper so he could go to the community and say, i sent up legislation and they blocked. >> immigration reform was never one of the high, high profile priorities plik the stimulus, cap and trade, wall street reform have the those are the biggies in 2009. immigration got squeezed out because of the economic crisis. >> there was legislation. he didn't have to write it. it was there. it existed. what he tried to do was get any
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we're back talking politics. i want you guys to help me out here. it was 12 years ago, joe lieberman was a democratic candidate for vice president. four years arc he ran around the country with republicans and mccain saying elect him. now senator lieberman is now an independent. i spoke to him. i asked him, senator, who are you going to vote for for president? >> well, i'm not running for re-election to the senate. i am really enjoying not being in elected politics and i'm going to carry that right through to the top office in the country. for the first time in my life in a long time, anyway, i'm just going to go into the voting booth on election day like most every other american and vote in private for president. >> do you know who you're going
to vote for even if you won't tell me? >> i don't yet. i'm watching very carefully and listening carefully, and as an independent, like most independents, i'll not vote based on party, but based on who i think will be the person who can best secure the future of our country. >> politics is an interesting business. but he is the chairman of a committee in the united states senate because he caucuses with the democrats, and they give him a committee chairmanship. now he gives them their vote, which keeps them in the majority. but should he be a chairman in what is not only a democrat senate if he won't say he'll vote for the democratic president? >> what he is doing is keeping the brand of what his party is right now. what is that brand? independent. he can't come out and say -- of course, we would love it if he would say he was voting for obama. i think that he probably will at the end of the day. but that's his brand. >> what if he said he was going
to vote for romney? >> i think there might be a question as whether he keeps his chairmanship. >> remember in transition, obama won. the democrats had to make a transition. how do we treat lieberman? obama, very diplomatically said we're going to keep that committee. >> he's not running for re-election, so he gets special dispensation, i think, and everybody in the senate, democrat, republican recognized joe lieberman as a great statesman. >> but in a close election when you need everything you can, and maybe there are some independents out there who respect senator lieberman's opinion saying he left his party, then he supported republicans. he's a straight shooter. >> i read the other day that it's been months since he's spoken to barack obama. so if he wants his support, maybe the first thing he needs to do is pick up the phone. >> a lot of people on capitol hill will say it's been months since they talked to barack obama. >> i don't think at the end of the day that whether he comes
out to support barack obama or not, it's not going to swing a lot of votes for this election. either president obama is going get elected or he's not. it's not going to basically hang in the balances as to what joe lieberman says. >> i think it can help him with some jewish voters. i think it could help him on foreign policy voters. either of them should think of him as a secretary of state. >> he said i will check back close. >> he's not going to be secretary of state. >> secretary of defense, maybe? >> private citizen is what joe lieberman is going to be. you're going to like the moment we missed. stay with us. but first, kate baldwin is back with some news. >> some more headlines to "catching fire" you up on. a woman who sparked an in-flight scare has been handed over to international authorities. the fbi says she won't face criminal charges for allegedly
disrupting u.s. airways flight 787 from paris to charlotte, north carolina. that flight had to be diverted to maine where the woman was examined. but doctors found no signs of recent surgical scars. very strange story. nancy reagan is recovering from several broken ribs after a fall in march, according to a representative. she did not attend a speech delivered by paul ryan. ryan yesterday at the reagan presidential library. mrs. reagan has been hospitalized at least twice in recent years and her public appearances have been increasingly rare. she is 90 years old. hewlitt packard plans to lay off 27,000 workers over the next year and a half. smart phones and tablets are at least partially to blame, make it a much tougher market for the personal computer. the cuts represent about 8% of hp's work force. he may be the heir to the throne of england, but just call him d.j. prince charles. he's at it again.
here he is in toronto where an instructor told him how to scratch and fade. he's in canada for the diamond jubilee, the celebration surrounding queen elizabeth's 60-year reign. it sure looks like he's having fun. talk about a fish out of water, john. >> princes can do that. i don't think a king can. what do you think? >> definitely a distinction must be made there. >> he was the weatherman just last month. >> you might as well. >> have fun, go with it. stay right there, kate. tonight's moment you missed. no one knows the stress of picking a running mate and the criticism you might get for it better than john mccain. i asked him what it takes to make the final cut, and why he passed on mitt romney four years ago. >> that first question is can i trust that that person can take my place immediately, but the second thing, obviously is how does this person help me win the election. let's be clear that is a real
important factor. and that decision i think can only be made by the president, with all the facts that he can gather at the time, and that won't be until a couple of months from now at the earliest. >> four years ago, you vetted governor romney and setted on governor palin. why? >> well, i thought it was time that we needed a catalyst. we needed an energizer, which we got. as soon as she spoke at our republican convention, we were up by three points. she energized our base. that's what i thought we needed at the time. she had experience as a governor and she obviously had an enormous amount of charisma, and i thought it was really -- and i still do think it was the right choice at that time, and i'm still very proud to have had her as my running mate. the circumstances may be very different for governor romney when he has to decide, and that is why i don't presume to tell