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job. >> you don't think he'll do the news for the rest of his life, do you? >> a fantastic encounter. on wednesday, bill maher sits in with seth mcfarland. on thursday, donnie deutsche will be here with matt lauer and dr. oz is his guest. and then harvey weinstein wraps up the week on friday with surprise celebrity guests including a special message from oprah winfrey. that's all for us tonight. "ac 360" starts now. piers, thanks. good evening, it's 10:00 here on the east coast. we have breaking news. nearly 33 years to the day since 6-year-old etan patz disappeared in new york city, a man has been arrested for his murder. just a short time ago, new york city police commissioner raymond kelly announced the arrest of pedro hernandez, a 51-year-old man who worked as a stock clerk at a store in manhattan back in 1979 when etan disappeared.
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commissioner kelly said hernandez has confessed to choking etan in basement of that store and that after being questioned last night hernandez took police officers to the scene of the alleged crime. >> hernandez described to the detectives how he lured young etan from the school bus stop. at west broadway and prince street. with the promise of a soda. he then let him into the basement of the bodega, choked him there and disposed of the body by putting it into a plastic bag and placing it into the trash. >> earlier today a law enforcement source said that hernandez was interviewed briefly years ago in connection with the case an that his claims were being treated with skepticism. tonight, pedro hernandez under arrest for the murder of 6-year-old etan patz, 33 years ago. susan candiotti is you knowing us live along with jeffrey
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toobin and lou palumbo. what other details are the police giving about this guy, pedro hernandez, and how this alleged murder took place? >> reporter: you know, anderson, this case just continues to be a real stunner. what we're hearing about this man is that as you indicated, he worked as a store clerk in this bodega and that he lured the little boy he says with a promise of offering him a soda drink and he brought him to the basement and then strangled him and then put him into the trash bag and brought it out a block and a half away from that store. and apparently then in the ensuing years as you indicated, i have a law enforcement source telling me he was briefly interviewed by the fbi. he had -- and police are now saying he was not interviewed at all at this time. however, the question is what is happening now because we just got a statement from the fbi and anderson, this is very interesting. despite the fact that the police are saying that he is going to be charged by the district
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attorney's office tomorrow, on second-degree murder, the fbi is saying this case isn't over. in their statement the investigation into this case is active. does that mean they don't buy this confession or that it simply is because he hasn't been formally charged yet that it's still open? >> lou, what do you make of this? if it's true that hernandez did do this and left him in a garbage bag out on the street, i mean, this was a huge case in new york city at the time. i would have thought they would have searched -- i mean, if it was only a block and a half or even a garbage routes they would have checked to see if garbage is picked up. >> that story is problematic. we do canvass areas. number two, by the second day the decomposed body, even if it was the back of the garbage truck, the reek ofsme - ha walk
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one, it's overwhelming. you can't miss it. as far as the fbi and their position, i'm concerned as to how much pressure the police department is yielding and trying to resolve this case, number one. number two, have they taken into account the emotional state of this individual? have they had an opportunity to polygraph him? what is it that gave them such footing that they charged him with murder in the second degree. >> what do you make of this, jeff? >> first of all, we grew up in this city. this case transfixed the city. it is hopeful to think that it's resolved, but the question of what -- how he was treated 33 years ago, was he interviewed? if he wasn't, why not? he was right in the area. and, you know, a bodega, a little store would be an obvious place that a little kid might be interested in. so the question of whether he was interviewed and what his status was.
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>> there's conflicting reports about that, because there are some published reports saying his family had contacted the authorities 33 years ago because of comments he made and that they commented them this time. >> and the question is what made them believe him this time? another, you know, thought that i think popped into a lot of heads, that lunatic who confessed to the jonbenet ramsey case a couple of years ago and everyone took him seriously until the case fell apart. is this another crazy person who is attracted -- >> absolutely. people come out of the wood work. you know, it's a combination of not having a life or having some type of high-level of dysfunction and wanting to obtain notoriety. you need to vet the people and taking this guy on a statement of this nature, i'd really want to do some type of psychiatric profile on him to determine if he's capable of having a conversation. >> because there's no physical
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evidence. >> and kelly said they have nothing except for this confession. now, that may be enough. it may be an accurate confession. he may have disclosed facts only a killer would know. if it's a generic confession -- >> susan, this story made headlines a month or so ago when there was renewed interest. they cordoned off the whole block. they re-examined a basement in the building where the patz family lived. did that attention that the story got a few weeks ago, did that have anything to do with hernandez being refocused on? >> reporter: you know, that did have something to do with it. according to commissioner kelly and other sources i spoke with, that publicity prompted a tipster and that person is not being described as a relative. who reached out to police and said that this is someone that you need to talk with because this person has told me that he did something bad and actually
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confessed to the crime and that's what prompted police to go out and interview him again and they tracked him down in new jersey, anderson. >> are they suggesting he confessed to this crime to the individual who was the tipster? >> yes, that's what kelly said. >> and the other part of this dynamic is what if he decided to turn around and recant his story and he hinges it on the fact he's not emotionally stable? >> i mean, if his story is true and this poor little boy was put into a bag left out in the street and picked up by garbage collectors and taken to a dump, i mean, there's no way of tracking that. >> nothing. at this point, you couldn't track down, you know, a garbage collection from 33 years ago. that's why they were digging up the basement. if he was buried in the basement, you could find dna evidence in the basement. if he's taken away it's impossible. >> the whole concept he discarded him on the curb in the
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plastic bag, we understand what the demographic is. believe me, if they picked up a child's body they'd know what it was. >> you can't underestimate how big of a story this was in 33 years ago. i remember this as a kid, this was everywhere. everywhere. everybody was interviewed in that entire area. >> it went on for months and months. he was the first child as was often said put on the milk carton. that have the degree of attention. his father was and is a professional photographer. so there were all these beautiful, beautiful photographs of etan that were everywhere. it was before the internet of course. but you could not be unaware of this case if you lived in this part of the country. >> the other dynamic with this case is that children being taken off the streets in new york, this is an anomaly. this happens in california. this happens in florida. it doesn't happen in new york. so with -- >> because so many people watching. so many people around. people see this. >> we weren't into the camera systems like we have today, the store front cameras that everyone has.
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the notion that a child is taken off the street is really tough to take in. it's not like california where they snatch these kids or florida. >> susan, tomorrow, what happens? >> reporter: well, tomorrow, it's expected that this man will make an appearance, very first appearance in court. and may be formally charged by the district attorney's office. it's up to the prosecutors in this case to file the formal charges. that would likely prompt a grand jury to get involved as investigators continue to work through this case, to see whether it winds up with an indictment. i mean, remember what happened -- what has happened in other high profile cases such as dominique strauss-kahn where he was initially arrested and then prosecutors backed away from the case. some people are saying that this is very solid case, some sources i spoke with. yet, i have others who are saying that they are approaching this with a high degree of skepticism. >> the other thing jeffrey pointed out earlier in the discussion, i understand that this man has been mirandised. the other question is has he
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lawyered up? through the whole process. because that's going to have an impact offed a missability of statements. >> thank you very much. let us know what you think. i'm on twitter, tweeting tonight. the massachusetts senate took a step toward outlawing a treatment to for teenagers with violent outbursts, a center that we have been focusing on -- that uses electric shocks against these young people. it's on the place in the country where we know that do this and to many people, to some people who are opposed to the center, it looks like torture. >> no, no, no! >> this teenager was shocked 31 times over seven hours. the school that shocked him has had repeated efforts to shut them down. keeping them honest.
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routinely uses shocks to handle the students. they come to the school from more than half a dozen states. the cost to taxpayers, almost a quarter of a million dollars per student per year. i want to show you a video that they tried to keep it secret for years. we do think it's important to see little bit of it. it shows a student being shocked 31 times over the course of seven hours. [ screaming ] >> his name is andre mccollins. while being shocked he was at one point strapped down. his mother said he was punished for not taking his coat off when asked. she said she was catatonic afterwards. you can see where he was burned from some of the shocks. some of the students do have histories of hurting themselves or others. some say that the treatment is the only thing that keeps them from hurts themselves or other people. the school was using skin shocks
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on students quote, for behaviors that are not aggressive, health, dangerous or destructive, such as nagging, swearing and failing to maintain a neat appearance. the report said the skin shocks raised health and safety concerns. about half the students wear the electrodes attached and that they carry in the backpacks. when they misbehave, it's delivered by remote control. as recently as two days ago, the school used the word approved on the website. we called the fda. they told us they cleared an earlier version of the device back in 1994, but they have never approved it. in 2010, inspectors found they were using a more powerful version of the device. as a result, the fda said that the device was no longer cleared under the ruling. now the fda claim has been removed from the website. they told us after they saw the report two days ago they
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realized it was an inaccurate claim. okay. the last year massachusetts adopted regulations banning the use of skin shocks and other so-called aversive therapies, but they carved it out for those enrolled before september of 2011. today, the state senate turned the regulations into law and the bill passed in the senate. it hasn't passed in the house. joining me is the bill's sponsor, dr. joyce and one who serves on the board of the american academy of child and adolescent psychiatry. senator joyce, a lot of people don't understand why in 2012 a school in the united states is allowed to electrically shock disabled students when prisoners aren't able to be shocked who are murderers who are unruly. how do you explain this? >> i can't understand it either,
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anderson. it's 2012. this is a progressive state. this would not be allow to the most heinous of criminals. if osama bin laden had been caught alive, we could not apply the same torture to him that we're now applying to innocent and disabled children in massachusetts. it's an absolute disgrace. >> dr. krause, i have talked to parents who are against this center, but i talked to parents who say, look, this has saved my child's life. this has, you know, they were rejected from all other places. my child was banging their head against the floor, was going to wind up dead and this has allowed my child to live. to them, what do you say? >> you know, every parent that has an autistic spectrum child looks for a magic way to try to help them. they'll find somebody and they'll believe in them. whether there's any scientific basis behind it or not. i find it very difficult to believe that these kids can't be helped in other programs. i work in a residential program that takes care of high-functioning autistic children, i work in a day school
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which has lower functioning autistic children. i have spent most of my career with a huge variety of autistic kids. the concept of using aversive therapy in these poor kids that have essentially no voice is simply barbaric. these types of adverse types of treatment approaches, they were used before medications existed. before a lot of other treatments existed. before occupational therapy worked with the kids. at this point in time with all we have available to us to help these children, this is just simply wrong. >> the center says, doctor, that -- well, look, shocking these kids is better than doping them up on psycho tropeic medication, where they gain weight and they're at health risk long term. >> you know, they can use any justification that they want. first of all, you know, it's not just medication. when you work with these
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children, it's working with intensive speech and language therapy, working on positive behavioral plans, working on act tvti tiveties of -- activities of daily living. helping them to express themselves. when they're anxious or upset about something, not being able to express yourself. imagine having that happen and instead of somebody trying to help you, they shock you. the concept simply doesn't make any sense to me. we use medications, any type of medication has a potential side effect. but these are medications that are fda approved with very specific purposes in helping kids. some of them do have weight gain as a potential side effect. but not all of them. >> and senator -- go ahead. >> if i could add, the doctor is exactly correct. this is based largely on a discredited pseudoscience from 70 or 80 years ago.
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it was used to -- and i say this in quotes here to cure homosexuality in the 1930s. to deaden hogs prior to slaughter. it's not been peer reviewed by any scientific or medical entity or individual with credibility. it's simply a barbaric, outdated practice which hasn't changed since the center opened as the behavioral institute in 1971. the initial question was a good one. how this practice can continue in the united states in 2012 simply defies logic. we have now passed the ban in the massachusetts state senate. my hope and prayer is that folks will contact the massachusetts house of representatives and ask them to join us in this ban. >> doctor, i mean, i have asked the school this multiple times, but if this works so well, why are they the only ones who use this? i mean, it doesn't seem like anybody else has adopted this technique. >> yeah. there are no other programs that i am aware of that use this.
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i think if you took a thousand people off the street, everybody would look and say this simply is barbaric, how can you do this? what i can tell you is when you look at really good programs that work with autistic kids, when you have kids that are behaviorally disruptive, when they might hit somebody, hit a teacher, the first reaction that the teachers give in easter seals in chicago are usually why didn't i pick up the anxiety? what was it that set the child off? what can we do sensory wise to help the child so that they'll get less anxious, be less behaviorally disruptive? what coping strategies can we teach the child? the reason most autistic children have behavioral outbursts, some level of anxiety. something as they perceive it. >> so does the shocking make the anxiety worse in your opinion? >> well, exactly. the concept -- the base problem is anxiety and then they shock them? makes no intuitive sense in the
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end. i mean, if anything, you know, how can this not cause some type of traumatic reaction? >> the other thing that's interesting is they have multiple electrodes on them and they don't know where the shock -- what part of the body they're going to get shocked on at any one time. which seems to only add to the anxiety. >> i mean, that just sounds absolutely frightening. frightening to me. >> senator? >> it is truly a house of horrors. it is just incomprehensible. i'm delighted you're giving it well-deserved attention. >> i appreciate you being on. thank you very much. >> thank you. a pleasure. well, up next, chinese dissident chen guangcheng first in depth interview since his departure from china. what he told me today about his detention and his future here in america. ♪
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the blind chinese activist's escape from the legal detention in his own home, its plays out like a movie script. we'll talk to him tonight. he slipped past his guards, escaped into the night. now he's in the u.s. and talking to us about his ordeal, next on "360."
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for first time since arriving in this country, chinese dissident, chen guangcheng is speaking out and doing it on "360." he is blinding and made a daring escape from house arrest. this is how authorities reacted when after christian bale tried to visit him last year, accompanied by cnn's stan grant. >> why can i not go visit this man? >> reporter: christian bale is used to action, but this is no movie set. plains clothes chinese security who would not identify themselves determined to stop him and our crew contacting a
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detained human rights activist. we're trying to get out of here. we have been stopped. we have been stopped right here. as you can see, they're pushing christian here. we're trying to leave peacefully. >> before i play you my interview, i want to explain what you will see in the bottom of the tv. you're watching state tv and we're showing it to you because in the past when we have reported on mr. chen, they have cut off the live transmission. they censored us. you can watch to see if china will censor our broadcast yet again. there's a slight delay. that's why they're watching the christian bale part. he is here with his wife and children, but he's worried about the relatives left behind. one of his brothers also managed to slip out of the heavily guarded village we understand. as we said the chinese government is very sensitive about all of this. and again, as you watch this interview, watch that little box
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at the bottom of the screen to see if the chinese government decides to censor so that their people don't hear what mr. chen is going to say. here's the interview i gave -- i had with mr. chen guangcheng earlier today. on the night of april 22nd, a blind activist in china makes a daring escape. chen guangcheng a self-taught lawyer and advocate for the poor had been a prisoner in his own home for more than 18 months. during that time he and his wife were periodically and savagely beaten by the chinese guards. in his first television interview, chen said he needed to find a way out. you were under house arrest. what was that like? >> i want to correct up with thing here. when we talk about my situation in the future, let's not use the word house arrest. but instead, let's use the term illegal detention. it's hard for me to describe what it was like during the time. but my suffering was beyond imagination. >> did you feel like there was an end to it? did it feel like it was going to
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go on and on? >> i didn't see much hope. >> chen is known as the barefoot lawyer in china. he became a government target after he filed a class action lawsuit in 2005 on behalf of poor women who say they were subjected to forced abortions and sterilizations as part of china's one child policy. soon after filing the lawsuit, chen was arrested and jailed for more than four years. you filed a class action suit on behalf of these women. do you know that the state would arrest you? did you know you'd get in trouble? >> it would dishonest of me to say i never thought of it. i didn't imagine they'd disregard the law so plablatant >> why did you speak out? >> it was very natural for me. i feel it's in people's nature to want to stop evil and embrace the good. there's nothing special there. it was how i reacted naturally. >> you say it's natural to want to speak out against evil, but
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many people remain silent. >> i only feel it's no natural reaction from my heart. my nature wouldn't allow me to sit idly be and disregard what was going on. i think everybody should act that way. >> after his release, he was detained in his home. activists, friends and journalists tried to visit him over the years only to be violently repelled by the guards who are always outside. actor christian bale was with the cnn crew in 2011 when he tried to go to chen's house to talk to him. >> why can i not go visit this man? tell me why i can't go to visit him? he's a free man. >> after months of planning, chen scaled the wall and his house, slipped past the guards and wandered through the countryside for 22 hour, falling down and injuring his foot. finally he was able to call a friend for help. >> after evading danger and obstacles i was able to get out
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of the village and then i called my good friend in beijing. he quickly led a team to find me and drove me to beijing. while in beijing, he found me a safe place to stay temporarily but then we started to worry about my safety because of my experience in 2005. >> worried for his safety, chen's friends helped him seek refuge in the u.s. embassy. >> when a group of people come together and accomplish something, they often fight for credit. but in my case, all those people who went to shendong to pick me up when the news broke they were all trying to claim responsibility to make others safer. i think this shows me hope in the growth of civil society in china. >> after negotiations between the u.s. and china, chen was finally allowed to leave beijing, flying to america on a one-year student visa. i understand that on sunday, you spent some time out in the sun. it was the first time you had been able to sit out in the sun
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for a long time. >> i hadn't been able to feel nature for a long time. on that day, i had some time to soak in the sun and feel the breeze. i had missed out for too long. >> chen has not sought asylum, though he's enjoying the temporary freedom. he worries for his friends and family back home. your nephew has been charged with intentional homicide for defending himself against the people who broke into his house as they were searching for you. what do you think is going to happen to him? are they trying to punish you through him? >> you can see what happened to him. it's clear they want to convict him. >> your mother is still in china. there are reports your brother actually escaped illegal detention back in his home village. do you worry about them as well? >> of course. i'm very worried. you can see their retribution against my family since my escape has continued and been intensified. >> do you regret speaking out? i mean, given all you have been through, arrested for four years, illegally detained in
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your home, you and your wife, do you regret speaking out? >> no, i have no regrets. but i also want to thank all of the friends who helped me including my family members and supporters. i'm very concerned about the safety of some of them. >> chen, his wife and two children have only been in the u.s. for less than a week. whether he'll ever be able to return to china is unclear. he vows he will continue to speak out. >> i don't feel much pressure. it's just a matter of time. i have only been here for a short time. if the pressure in shendong couldn't silence me, i don't think any other pressure would be able to silence me. >> interesting to see we were not censored this time in china. we're following a lot more tonight. isha has the bulletin. anderson, the violence in syria has become increasingly militarized with killing and torture by government forces. however, regime forces are to blame for most of the serious
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human rights violations. syria will be front and center tomorrow night at 8:00 and 10:00 eastern. we'll be bringing you a special report, arab spring, revolution interrupted. back home, guilty verdict in a planned massacre of troops from ft. hood, texas. a federal grand jury convicting a man of wanting to blow up a restaurant near the post. he went awol from ft. campbell, kentucky, he was arrested last july. prosecutors say when authorities caught him, he was already in the process of building a bomb. he now faces up to life in prison when sentenced this summer. hurricane warnings now up along the west coast of mexico. forecasters no longer expecting hurricane bud, but a category 2 storm to stay off shore. instead they're predicting land fall late tomorrow after strengthening in the overnight and early morning hours. the weather service is watching an area of low pressure off florida's atlantic coast.
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meantime, noaa is forecasting a near normal hurricane season this fall. nine to 15 named storms. it expects 4 to 8 to develop into hurricanes. moving next to australia's beach, a hungry great white shark is caught stealing a smaller shark. caught by fishermen as they were reeling it in. this close encounter happened last year, but it was only recently posted online. anderson? thanks. new signs of where the presidential race now stands in three crucial states and nationwide. we'll tell you where it does stand, who's got reason to cheer, who's got reason for concern. john king runs the numbers next.
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i want to talk about raw politics tonight. a fresh look at three states that president obama won last time. new polling today out of virginia, florida and ohio. the results from nbc and maris college. same narrow lead in florida, the president up four points. two points below the 50% that incumbents like to see. in ohio it's a six-point edge for president obama, but that's half his 12-point advantage back in march in the same poll. though his job approval numbers are on the plus side in all three states it is only by a few percentage points. additionally it's a big concern for any incumbent, a majority in all three of the battlegrounds telling pollsters they still believe that things in the
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country on the wrong track. we'll talk more on where the race is playing out. let's go to john king at the magic wall. >> anderson, a handful of new polls tell us how close this race is in terms of the electoral college fight and you'd have to say at least at the moment slight advantage for president obama. let's take a look at what with we're talking about. one of the new polls in battle ground wisconsin. again, that's a very close race, but you have to say slight advantage for the president. who's up in the wisconsin public radio poll. another one in the state always battleground state of ohio. mitt romney needs to win ohio to win the white house. no question about that right now, president obama with a slight lead there in battle ground ohio. that fight will continue. let's zoom to the east now. and a state that the president turned from red to blue four years ago, virginia. it's a toss-up right now. this poll right here, that's within the margin of error, but you have to say perhaps a slight advantage for president obama. and let's drop down now to the state of florida. you get a mixed picture here. a poll we received just yesterday, a quinnipiac poll had governor romney with a slight lead. look at the new numbers today, the president leading in the
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nbc/maris poll. why do we look at these? they factor big into the race to 270. the president has 217, those are the blue states. solid obama or leaning obama. mitt romney has about 206. those are the red states, solid or leaning republican. the yellow, those are the battlegrounds. let's say that wisconsin poll is right, that ohio poll is right and that virginia poll is right. look another that. puts the president within striking distance. so then you have florida toss-up. new hampshire, pennsylvania, iowa, colorado, nevada. lot of people say this one actually should lean blue. if that were the case, the president were to cross the line. let's leave it a toss-up for now. this is a very tight race, about 160 days left. it will come down to the six or eight states. wow. >> john, thanks very much. joining us tonight as well as bill burnett the senior strategist for priority usa, ari
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fleischer. all the poll numbers out there are a snapshot in time. there's plenty of movement between now and november, but romney has closed the gap significantly in florida, ohio, virginia since march. back then the president led all three by between i think 8 and 17 points. how concerned are you about the numbers? >> i would say very concerned. i mean, you know, we're on what you call the poller coaster right now. they'll go up and down. i think for the most part they'll be very, very tight. republicans have consolidated behind romney pretty quickly. i think you're seeing the makings of a close race. i look at the polls and think, yeah, it will be a very close race and it's going to come down to a very tough fight on the economy. >> ari, that being said the president does seem to have had the majority in most of the battleground states. >> yeah. kudos to bill. a very frank acknowledgment. i think he's reading it exactly right. at this stage of the campaign you don't focus on today's polls, but try to look ahead to the long-term trend. the long-term trend is we're locked in on a close race.
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incumbents typically have the advantage. it's rare for a challenger to be defeating an incumbent. you look at the incumbent, and president obama is below 50. when you look at mitt romney is can he close the gap, move his numbers from low 40s up? the other thing you look at are the polls of registered voters or likely voters. at this stage they're all of registered voters. which puts the slight bias in the polling towards the democrats. once they switch to likely voters it's going to give a boost to mitt romney's numbers in all history in all likelihood. >> bill, a majority of voters still think i think things are wrong track. if they're not getting better fast enough to change that number? >> i think it's an issue. i think that the environment in which this race is happening is going to matter a lot to the outcome. >> the economy, whether it gets better or not you mean? >> exactly. on the economy, on the jobs number, economic growth. on gas prices. like those things will have an impact on the outcome of the
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race. i think people are going to go into the voting booth not just on how they feel about this moment, but what's the difference between the visions of mitt romney and barack obama and who's best to lead our country right now? i don't think regardless of the situation people are going to go into the voting booth and say thank you to any elected official. i think they say what's next? and so that's the big question that i think voters are asking. you know, what's the real difference between the president and governor romney? >> ari, can president obama avoid this being a referendum on his term? can he make it as many democrats say they would like to make it a choice between -- picking between the two guys? >> you can't avoid it, but that's what a good campaigner comes down to. we have to see who puts together the better campaign. if you're the president you want to make it about bain capital. if you're romney, you want to make a referendum about how the economy is. we saw that election in 1980 with jimmy carter. we saw it largely in 1990 and
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then 2006 and 2008 with my old boss george bush and the republicans. saw it again in 2010 against president obama. that's what you look for. i think the other thing that people should look for outside the campaigns there are six more unemployment reports between now and november coming out. and there are two gdp reports about growth and the economy. those are the biggest external factors that are going to drive this election. >> bill, you're one who is looking to put ads on the air in some of the swing states. where do you think you need to put your money? i mean, what's the tightest race right now where ads could be effective? >> well, i would say two things. first, just a real quick point on what ari just said. it's interesting to have ari fleischer on because his former boss, president bush, ran a race in 2004 that was very much about, you know, who the challenger was. and how important it was to define senator kerry and make that what the race was all about. on the map overall, -- >> and did a pretty good job of that. >> i mean, they won. you can't deny that they made
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some good decisions. i was on senator kerry's campaign, he was an awesome guy. it was a tough race to lose. i would say the map is big, but getting smaller. i think you look at the states that president obama won that senator kerry didn't win in 2004 and that's where you start with those nine states. then you add in, you know, watch wisconsin, pennsylvania, michigan. states that could get competitive. right now we're up in colorado. colorado, ohio, pennsylvania, florida and virginia, we think that those are very close states and other states that are close as well. iowa, new hampshire obviously are going to be a tough battleground. but i think, you know, it's early. people are just starting to engage. as people get more information about the race we're going to see where the swing voter goes in some of the states and see if those states really do stay competitive. >> bill, i appreciate you being on. ari fleischer as well. >> thank you. well, new video in the trayvon martin case and new word tonight of a confrontation that
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bulletin. anderson, new video tonight in the trayvon martin case. it shows george zimmerman at police headquarters in sanford, florida, three days after the killing. also today, we learned that back in january of 2011, zimmerman spoke out at a hearing and accused the police chief at the time of engaging in a cover-up in the case of a black homeless man who was beaten by an officer's son. the public is getting its first blow by blow account of robert champion's death. he's the florida a&m drum major who died after a brutal hazing. page after page of witness interviews released today detail champion's beating done witnesses say by band mates with their fists, drumsticks and percussion mallets. mortgage interest rates have hit a record low. 3.78% on a 30-year loan. anderson, heinz may be able to change the ketchup tune from anticipation to slip and sliding
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away. there's a slippery nontoxic coating called liquid glide. here it is on the company website. take a look at it. it makes ketchup and other slow foods slide out of the bottle. >> so cool. i can't believe it hasn't been invented up until now. >> kinds of look appetizing. >> but the guys who invented it will make a gazillion dollars. >> you and i will be here ten years from you. >> with our old ketchup, hitting on the bottle. i think it's cool. time for the shot -- i showed you we're obsessed with the animals falling asleep on the program. we had a sleeping baby bear i believe on this program. >> yes. >> which i love. oh. who can forget the snoring dormouse? and my cameraman neil sounds like when we're on trips together. >> he'll appreciate that. >> yeah.
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we have to sleep in one room d and -- that's how he snores. tonight, we bring you the chick falling asleep on the cat. we had to speed up the video because it took 45 seconds for the chick to fall asleep. we don't have the time. the cat doesn't seem to care that a potentially tasting meal is falling asleep on him. >> the cat's a vegetarian, i guess. >> maybe so. maybe so. >> maybe so. >> i don't know what the point of the video is, i think it's cute. coming up, why computers will never replace copy editors. it a typo worthy of the ridiculist, next.
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time now for the ridiculist. tonight we are adding a texas-sized typo that's a true reminder that spelling does count. at the university of texas at austin there was a lovely program that was distributed. that's it right there. titled unlimited possibilities. read carefully, it says lyndon b. johnson, school of pubic affairs. so they have issued a pubic apology. i guess no one is a big fan of pubic speaking because they did it on twitter. our deepest apologies to our 2012 graduates. we have working on new programs. they didn't forget the l in the lbg school. the problem is that the computer