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♪ and the tears can't find me anymore ♪ ♪ and farewell to the girl with the sun in her eyes ♪ ♪ i'll kiss you i we begin with the diplomatic slap on the wrist that syria got today and the steps that may end the slaughter. "new york times" columnist thomas friedman will join us with some ideas. western nations led by the u.s. e expelling diplomats or kofi annan who has been meeting with the dictator condemning the killings and noting, these are his words, quoting that bashar al assad condemned them too. 12,000 dead, that promise from a brutal dictator doesn't cut much
ice. after friday's atrocity, doubly so. nightmarish stories are emerging from the town of hula where the massacre happened. one of the freelance producers spoke with an 11-year-old survivor. at his request we're not identifying him with good reason. they will kill him. they being the same militiamen who killed the rest of his family. quote, they were talking to my mom, he says. i'm not sure what happened, but they shot her five times. they shot her in the head. then he turned and shot my sister in the head. then he shot my brother nader in the neck and the back. he is talking about the armed militiamen who witnesses say carried out the massacre. now, a warning we'll show you some of the resulting carnage. the video has been partially blurred. but the obscenity is clear enough. they went in after the forces pounded them with the heavy
artillery. those are small bodies of children you're seeing there. they went door to door, pulled women, children out of homes. sometimes cornered them in the street and murdered them at close range. slitting throats, pressing guns so close to heads of kids there were powder burns on some of the dead children. again, the regime denies any responsibility, but today, it went even further. denying it's ever broken the cease-fire negotiated by kofi annan. >> during this time, syria has not done a single violation of an homs plan or the understanding between syria and the united nations. >> now, that is an absolute lie. plain and simple a lie. even a diplomat today had no problem saying so. >> what is clear is government forces were involved. they were shelling, using tanks and artillery. and appears to be the militia slaughtering people in the crime that took place.
>> they did not directly blame the regime for it because russia objected to it. in the words of tom friedman of "the new york times," acting like syria's lawyer in this. that was that and then the u.n. ambassador says it holds the syrian regime responsible for the massacre. chairman martin dempsey warned that the atrocities make military action against syria more likely. the white house however cautioned reporters not to read too much into the remarks. a lot of talk from all sides while the reality on the ground plays out in images and in tears. look at this photo posted on twitter over the weekend by an activist. it claims to have been taken in hula apparently on saturday. two bodies on the hood of the u.n. suv. we don't know if they're father and daughter. we do know that in the four days since they were killed, dozens more have died.
alex briton has been there and he joins us from damascus. the government blames armed terrorists and they've blamed them for everything over the last 15 months. all reports seem to indicate it's the sha bee ya or the civilians who are dressed in military outfits who work in tandem with government forces. can you explain how it is that -- that they work with the regime, with the military? >> i haven't seen a single shred of proof to prove that they do work in concert. of course it is suggested by what happened in the villages of hula after friday prayers around lunch time in early afternoon, a concerted battery of shelling. that killed 20 people. that could only come from the government.
they're the only ones with weapons. that was followed up with groups moving house to house who were not in fact shelled. so clearly, that suggests some kind of working in tandem. but frankly, until we have hard evidence, that's not going to be a very easy thing to prove. >> it is impossible unless there are intercepts, intelligence intercepts to know who was who slit the throats of children, who put guns up to the foreheads of children and pulled the trigger. does it make any -- i mean, is there any evidence to support syrian regime claims, however, that it was anybody associated with the opposition forces? >> no. i mean, i suspect we'll never get proof either way. because this is not a permissive environment. the more time goes by, the more it degrades.
this is chaotic. people are coming and people are going. people are moving in and out all the time for obvious reasons. no evidence either way. >> for the syrian regime forces to say that they're shocked by this, i mean, we have seen videos of syrian military forces firing upon protesters. we have seen snipers on rooftops firing into crowds. >> you have seen snipers on rooftops. i have to say there are plenty of snipers on the rebel side as well. one of them is firing at the opposition the other day. i'm not making light of this, but this is a war. you are going to get civilians killed for the simple reason that in this war, the rebels are routinely fighting, where there are civilians. you can argue that's a cynical form of warfare, but it's the only one open to them. and they know very well -- in
homs or hula or whoever it may be, you're going to be right in the incoming weapons and that's what they will use. and you, if you are armed and near a rebel army are a legitimate target in a time of war. no question about that. but clearly the civilian casualties are going to be extremely hard in that form of warfare and it's precisely what we're seeing day in and day out. >> alex thomson, thank you. i want to turn next to thomas friedman who has decades of experience writing on and reporting about the middle east. he's been awarded two pulitzer prizes for his middle east work and "the new york times" and one recently from commentary. he's a foreign affairs column innist at the paper. we have been watching children being killed for 15 months and this began with the arrest of the children who had spray
painted anti-government graffiti. yet people talk about what happened in hula as a turning point. do you think it's a turning point and if so, how so? >> it feels like it is, anderson. because the russians and the chinese who have been serving as president assad's lawyer defending the regime feels like they no longer want to be playing quite that role. and that could be an opening i think for some kind of move to a transition government. i hope. >> although we heard i think yesterday being described as a disco party, what was happening in syria. a bizarre turn of phrase. >> i don't expect much, you know, sympathy from putin, but it feels like they do understand this is really going to i think stain them if this continues much longer. >> all the diplomats now, the international community expelled today, sends a message. do you think it changes anything beyond that? >> well, i think we have to
start, anderson, by saying what is it that we want? and first of all, perfect isn't on the menu there. it isn't on the menu because you really have two kind of arab states. you have the kind of homogeneous society where they always could get together against the dictator. you have the other sides often called tribes with flags so that's the fundamental problem. let's start there. so what is it we want? what would be the ideal outcome here? what we want to prevent basically are two things. one is a civil war and the other is state collapse. civil war and state collapse would spill over into the surrounding states. it would be a terrible human disaster for the country as well. if you want to avoid state collapse and civil war, what do you need then? you need a transition regime where assad leaves, but remnants of his regime representing those other communities, christians, et cetera, stay and then at the same time you bring in the
opposition groups. that would be the ideal scenario. how do you get that? one of two ways. either the russians broker it because they have leverage with assad or you get some kind of internal revolt within the assad camp. ideally from the army where they basically push him out. >> what do you think about those like senator mccain for instance, mitt romney now, who have called for arming the opposition? >> well, again, i think arming the opposition in the context of a broader strategy, you know, it's something i would look at. i'd like to know who we're arming and what their objectives are and what we share their values beyond getting rid of the assad regime. what i would prefer it seems to me would be again either working on the russians, trying to cut a deal with them to push assad out or i would be ready to consider a no-fly zone or a humanitarian corridor. that i think they have this impact, anderson. i think there's a lot of people
in the syrian regime right now n the assad camp particularly in the military who are sitting on the fence. they're seeing what's going on. they're watching what's happening both inside syria and on the world stage. and they're trying to see will assad stay, should i leave with him, will he go or should i lean away? i think if we announced a no fly zone on the turkish border it could be enough to tip them inside to throw him out of power. >> what about the cease-fire so called that, kofi annan negotiated, has that been a complete failure? >> it sure looks to be and you see what happened with this massacre over the weekend. ideally it would have been ideal to go back to the cease-fire because the cease-fire would have allowed the opposition movement to return to its nonviolent roots. that's how it began. it was assad who opened fire on these young boys first in dara and they wanted to turn this into the ethnic conflict. he wanted them from their
nonviolent moves of a movement of all against him as you had in egypt and tunisia she want -- he wanted to turn it into the sectarian role. >> is there a u.s. role for syria then? people said in egypt, the u.s. basically just had to witness it happening. is there a u.s. role? >> well, two roles i think that we could play very i think importantly. one is to be the interface with putin. to in a sense say to putin, all right, it's going to take a deal. what it is you want? this guy is a very transactional guy. you want something on the missile defense, what it is? this can't be working for you, vladimir. then you're basically the lawyer for a mass murderer. in the long run this isn't going to work for you. there's got to be a transaction there and that's obama's role, to have a meeting, putin and obama. i think we all should be part of an arab league, u.n.,
turkish/nato, whatever framework you want to use. we should consider some kind of humanitarian corridor, some kind of, you know, safe area. that hopefully could tip that balance inside syria so they oust assad and you can get ideally some kind of transition government. but it's going to be messy, anderson. this is not going to be easy. perfect is nowhere near on the menu there. >> perfect not on the menu. tom friedman, thanks. well, let us know what you think. we're on facebook, i'm tweeting about this already. donald trump doubling down on the birther claims about obama. and mitt romney campaigns with trump tonight. will it hurt romney's chances? actually, the milk from my farm makes it so creamy, right dad. dad can see... boys! don't you think stouffer's steam perfect bag should get some credit? my carrots. my milk. [ female announcer ] new from stouffer's. farmers' harvest steam meals taste so good we'll bet the farm on it.
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raw politics now. mitt romney and the birthers. governor romney does not doubt president obama was born in hawaii but he seemed to bring the issue up in remarks about amending the constitution. we'll play the tape and let you decide for yourself what you think he said. he made those remarks at a las vegas fund raiser with america's best known birther right now, we're talking about donald trump, who doubled down on his beliefs.
>> nothing's changed my mind. and by the way, you know, you have a huge group of people. i walk down the street and people are screaming, please don't give that up. look, a publisher came out last week and had a statement about obama given to them by obama when he was doing a book as a young man a number of years ago in the '90s born in kenya and raised in indonesia. i mean, this was the statement. this was from obama. >> that's not true. the publisher says it was only a typo. and for the record, president obama has produced both a short and long form birth certificate showing he was born in hawaii. he made the long form version public in part to quiet mr. trump who claimed to have investigators in hawaii on the case. we sent gary tuchman to hawaii around the same time to find plenty of evidence that the president was born there, but no evidence of mr. trump's investigators. i asked him about it months ago. >> we've had a team in hawaii talking to everyone from the state health department to the school where obama's mother went
to other families in the hospital at the same time as he was born. none of them say they've been contacted by anyone working for you. >> well, maybe they're not saying it and haven't contacted the same people. >> we've interviewed the former director of health. a republican. one of two state officials who has seen the original birth certificate that you're talking about in the vault. she says she hasn't been contacted by your people. i mean, isn't that somebody they should talk to if they're there? >> i've been told recently the birth certificate is missing. i've been told it's not there and it doesn't exist. if that's the case, that's a big problem. >> who told you that? >> i heard that two days ago from somebody. >> can you name one person your investigators talked to? >> i don't want to do that. it's not appropriate. >> you can't say anything? >> it's not appropriate. >> he never revealed names or or any of the investigators or anything they found out. as for the missing birth certificate, it was revealed there after. mitt romney says i don't agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don't agree with everything i believe
in. donald trump has been aiming to raise $2 million tonight for the romney campaign and hinted today to wolf blitzer that he might personally donate millions more. he's also made robocalls for the campaign. up on the romney website right now this picture of donald trump as uncle sam on a poster next to amounts you can donate for a contest. the winner gets flown to new york for a dinner with mitt romney and donald trump. could his support cost the romney campaign with votes? showing an endorsement would make one in four voters less likely to vote for governor romney. the governor also said he needs to get 50.1% to win and he's happy to have the help of quote, a lot of good people. back to those remarks mentioned at the top. he was talking tonight about president obama's lack of business experience. listen. >> sometimes i just don't think he understands what it takes to help people.
i know he wants to help, but he doesn't know what he's got to do. i was speaking with one of these business owners who owns a couple of restaurants in town. he said, you know, i'd like to change the constitution. i'm not sure i can do it, he said. i'd like to have a provision in the constitution that in addition to the age of the president and the citizenship of the president and the birth place of the president being set by the constitution, i'd like it also to say that the president has to spend at least three years working in business before he can become president of the united states. >> joining me now is romney adviser kevin madden. some people are looking at those comments that the candidate made tonight saying it was sort of a dog whistle. the fact he would bring up the birth requirements in the constitution on a day where donald trump has talked about birtherism was sort of a dog whistle on this issue. fair? >> no. well, i just don't agree with that. i think it was -- the governor was actually relaying a conversation he had with a voter.
the voter's emphasis was on the business experience. that's what governor romney is finding as he engages voters across the country. they're focused on the economy. they're focused on somebody who can turn the economy around. quite frankly, that's been the entire focus of the governor's message today when he was out there in colorado, he was talking about energy. he was talking about how important energy is to helping sustain the economy in that region of the country and how important the economy is in turning the economy around. >> but he is holding this big event with donald trump tonight and donald trump is on his website and trump is out there talking about birther stuff. when a supporter in a crowd said something false about obama to mccain, mccain set that supporter straight. donald trump isn't an ordinary supporter. he's clearly a surrogate. democrats are saying the fact that mitt romney hasn't said donald trump is wrong and asks him to produce something shows romney doesn't have backbone. that's what democrats are
saying. does he have an obligation in any way to set his surrogates straight on the birther claims? >> oh, he has. >> you think he's spoken to donald trump? >> every time this issue has come up, he made it clear he disagrees with donald trump and he disagrees with the emphasis on the issue. he believes the reason we need to beat president obama in november is because he hasn't done enough to fix the american economy. every time he's had an event, he's talked about what it is that he would do to fix the economy. >> does he have an obligation to say something to donald trump? >> i think he has said it. he's said time and time again that the focus of the campaign has to be the economy. >> but, i mean, but then why -- if donald trump is the surrogate, why does he continue to talk about this stuff? >> the media tends to ask trump about this issue a lot. i think every time he's talking about governor romney in the context of this campaign, he's never mentioned that issue.
he's focused on issues like china and making sure that we have a level playing field there on international trade and monetary policy. he's focused on governor romney's -- his plan to turn around the economy and get more people back to work. that's the framework of our message to the american people on what they should be -- the issue they should be using to make up their mind. on election day in november, there's only going to be two names on the ballot when people go in to choose who they want to be president. it's going to be romney and obama. those are their inside they're delivering to voters. i think that's what's going to matter to the voters yet to be persuaded. >> do you think the poll we cited from a while back that trump's endorsement is a negative, that his message may play well with a certain base, but alienates the middle. do you buy that? >> i don't know. i think a lot of these polls they ask questions, it's basically a favorability test on
these surrogates. i don't think there are many surrogates that are really going to matter. to reiterate the point i just made, what's really going to matter is who has a better vision for this country going forward. who has a better plan to put the american economy back on work. president obama's failed policies, governor romney's promise of a better america, a better economy. and that's really what's going to make people change their mind in those last weeks up until the election. >> you were saying it doesn't really matter what surrogates say. when hilary rosen, supporter of president obama, visited the white house according to some stories i saw said something about ann romney, the obama white house was quick to distance themselves from her and a lot of conservatives jumped on her as speaking for the candidate. isn't it fair, then, for democrats to do the same about what donald trump is saying? >> you know, having worked on so many campaigns, i think all the scrutiny is fair.
the difference there was that crystallized a debate we were having about the economy, about women's role in the work place. and the different visions that each party has for the economy. that was what really crystallized that debate. i don't think there are a whole lot of people at home with 23 million people out of work and unemployment over 8%, consumer confidence down, i don't think there are a lot of people talking about the issue that the media's talking about and that donald trump keeps bringing up. they're focused on the economy. >> it's not just the economy -- it's not just the media talking about this birther stuff. in arizona they were demanding birth certificate from president obama, proof of citizenship to have him on the ballot there. this is an issue in a number of states. >> i think that's right. but do you think right now that voters, that that's going to drive what their main decision is on this campaign? i don't think so. i think over kitchen tables right now in the country there's
so much anxiety over the state of the unemployment, over the lack of jobs, people that have one are worried about losing theirs. people that don't have one can't find them. that's what the american people want to see debated. that's the focus they want to see in this campaign. a lot of this are distractions. >> kevin madden, appreciate you being on. >> california's much-touted high speed rail line. that's an animation of it. it's in danger tonight of becoming a rail line to nowhere. billions of your tax dollars have been promised to pay for this. how did veer so far off track? we're keeping them honest next. there are a lot of warning lights
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keeping them honest. drew griffin is on the money trail again tonight and he's found california's dream of a high speed rail line is in trouble. so much trouble, it could be a rail line to nowhere despite billions of stimulus dollars already pledged. we've been down this road before. remember solyndra that got federal loan guarantees and went belly up? the romney campaign is trying to make sure you don't forget. this is from a web ad it's running. >> you heard of solyndra. they took $535 million in
federal loan guarantees and went bankrupt. but that's not even half the story. >> well, the ad's message that president obama hasn't done a good job to invest your tax dollars in. we'll let you decide that for yourself. as for california's rail line, another project backed by president obama, the cost estimates are way off and there's another chance the rail line may never be completed. here's drew's report. >> reporter: it sure looks like the future. an animated version of california's high speed rail. and it sounded really cool too. l.a. to san francisco at more than 200 miles an hour. no planes, no cars, no fuss. that's why californians voted for it back in 2008. passing a $10 billion bond measure for a train that was projected to eventually cost $34 billion. keeping them honest, it's now four years later. not a single track has been laid and a bomb shell report was
dropped on california's taxpayers last fall. their $34 billion train would actually cost closer to three times the estimated amount. >> the new business plan puts a cost estimate at $98 billion to $118 billion. >> reporter: it was a shocker. three times the estimated cost and guess what? you, the federal taxpayer, might be on the hook for a big chunk of it. we'll get to how that's possible in a moment. but in california, the sticker shock caused yet another change in accounting, a big turnover with california's high speed rail authority board, and yet another rethinking of just where the train will go and how fast and how much it would cost. >> today we are releasing the revised plan. >> reporter: in a press conference, a new route, a new slower speed, and a new cost estimate. now in the neighborhood of $68 billion. still twice as much as originally sold.
>> there's no question that the cost has gone up. >> reporter: dan richard is the new chairman of the rail authority and co-author of that report. that sent the high-speed rail plan slightly off track. >> that report was a draft. it was intended to engender comment. it did that rather successfully. we're looking now how to revise the plan and strengthen the plan and go forward. >> reporter: but that is also troubling. it turns out the latest plan could be for a much slower train, not actually the high speed futuristic cartoon california voters approved four years ago. more of a hybrid that goes slower, makes more stops, and doesn't quite deliver the l.a. to san francisco promise of just a few hours. and that's not the half of it. this is about to become really political. california's high speed rail has one huge backer, president barack obama and that is where you come in.
the administration has pledged $3.5 billion in stimulus money, also known as tax dollars, and that's just so far. now california admits it will need even more. tens of billions of dollars more from federal taxpayers to finish it. but first you have to start, and that's where it gets dicey. the foundational segment, the first stretch of track will cost at least $6 billion a loan. under the new plan will connect fresno to burbank. it won't go anywhere near san francisco. and in the process, will dissect generation's old dairy farms and nut orchards and towns that don't want it. >> we want them to stay off the land. it is not our intention to let this happen through our property. we farm here for a reason. the tranquility of it all, this is farming country. and we want to keep it like that. >> reporter: a skeptic says that the high speed rail authority is doing everything they can to
rework numbers and routes to justify spending tens of billions of dollars on a train that may be a huge economic blunder that few want to ride. >> every infrastructure project has a chance to be solyndra. whether it's high speed rail or a bridge to nowhere. the construction costs can overrun like that. and that's especially true in california where our permitting and approvals process is tough. >> reporter: does all this have california rethinking its plans? absolutely not. says rail board chairman dan richard. and for one reason. they've already got the promised $3 billion of your tax dollars in federal stimulus. california may not get another dime from president obama, but it has no intention of giving back the $3 billion already promised or the billions more from california voters. >> so let's be very clear on this point. we have $6 billion to build the foundational segment.
>> reporter: even if that foundational segment turns out to be a high speed rail, well, to nowhere. >> and drew joins us live. could this end up being a train to nowhere? >> this foundational segment is basically going to run from fresno to bakersfield. that's 130 miles long. it's going to take five to six years to do it just to finish that portion. which is not going to be a high demand route. fear is if the cost overruns which critics say are inevitable will be so high on just that one portion, support is going to fade away. that's what's going to be left. a train to nowhere. >> if all goes right, this could be a fast train connecting los angeles to san francisco and voters did approve it. >> voters did pass it in 2008 but support has been fading as more and more get details of the project. orange county was eliminated from the rail line altogether in the latest attempt to save money. it appears the new version is going to be a little slower. and completion for all of this,
anderson, is 2028. it's going to be all about the billions and billions california's going to need to finish this project by 2028. whether they get it from us, the federal taxpayers, or possibly private investors. so far those private investors haven't been exactly jumping at this. >> yeah. drew, appreciate the reporting. more happening tonight. isha's here with the "360" bulletin. cnn projects that mitt romney won the texas primary tonight and that's put him over the delegates needed for the gop nomination. he won't officially earn it until the republican national convention takes place in late august in tampa, florida. >> doc watson has died. he was 89. mind from infancy, watson was a flat picker, known for playing the acoustic guitar at lightning speeds. for many years he turned with his son mel watson who died in 1985.
at least 16 people are dead after 5.8 magnitude earthquake hit northern italy. more than 14,000 people have been displaced since the first quake hit the area nine days ago. a "360" follow. the safety board confirms that the burning hot debris that fell from the sky yesterday near toronto was from a malfunctioning jet engine. it involved a flight bound for tokyo. cars were damaged on the ground. the plane made an emergency landing at the airport. facebook stock closed at $24.84. that's more than 24% below its ipo price. anderson? >> isha, thanks. a week and counting, still no verdict in the edwards trial. reports one of the alternate jurors have been flirting with john edwards. the latest on that ahead. ♪ [ piano chords ]
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in crime and punishment tonight after seven days of deliberation, still no verdict in the john edwards corruption trial in north carolina. as deliberations drag on, there's still news out of the courtroom. some of it is bizarre. like the fact that four alternate jurors are showing up in matching outfits, for instance. or one of the alternates is reportedly flirting with edwards. there's been some giggling and smiling and blushing going on. of course the real news is what the jury will decide. now the question is what's taking it so long? want to talk live in north carolina with bob woodruff. and marcia clark author of "guilt by degrees." bob, still no verdict. all these reports about jury behavior or misbehavior. what is going on down there? >> it's a good point. we don't really know what's happening behind the doors in the room. it's hard to see what they're thinking like. you've got the regular jury, the 12 jurors on one side of the
room, then the other four on the other side, sitting together. and they have all recently worn the same clothes. they all wore pink one day. the wore red, white, and blue one day, yellow one day. today it was black and gray. they're putting this plan together to wear the same clothes. maybe the alternates are pretty happy. they seem to be having fun together. what we don't know is whether the regular jurors are actually agreeing with each other, not agreeing with each other. but for some reason they're taking a lot longer than we expected. >> marcia, lengthy deliberations are not heard of. this could be seen as a complicated case. does it seem unusual to you though? >> in this case, maybe not. i have to say, anderson, the defense did give a really good back poll on a lot of this evidence. they pointed the finger at andrew young. and how young came across in the courtroom is important here. he's the linchpin of the prosecution's case.
young did divert some of the funds to his own use. to build his house. that undermines his credibility. and how he actually comes across to the jurors in the course of this is important. then you have all the documents which can be extremely complicated. so you have a viable defense in that the defense is pointing at andrew young saying he took the money, he didn't tell edwards. he did this on his own. now for his own profit and his own benefit, he's going to point the fingers at edwards and say anything he needs to to the prosecution. i can see where the jurors would be struggling to get through it. now, whether or not the wife, andrew young's wife also testified. she may have given good corroboration for him or not. but they have a loot to struggle with. i'm not surprise it's taking a long time. what i am surprised at are the junior high jinks with the clothing and the matching clothing. >> have you ever seen that with a jury? >> no. and i've seen my juries and some
are goofy. i've never seen jurors coordinate their clothing. what is this, freaky friday? you know, i don't know. it's not good. >> bob, a lot of people haven't followed this closely might be confused. the jury has to separate the sleazy activities of john edwards which are now admitted and obvious, and from whether what he did actually broke a campaign finance law. >> yeah. what is admitted, as you know, is he sinned in terms of his life with rielle hunter and what he did to his wife. the lies he made. all of those now he admits. he lied about those before and he knows he's been caught. but the one he claims is yes, i did sin, but i did not break any law. which is the campaign finance law. did he know about that money when it was coming from the wealthy supporters through -- really through andrew young and on to help rielle hunter and
andrew young as well to try to escape away from the media. did he know about that? and if he did, did he believe that was a violation of the campaign finance law which has to be limited to $2,300 per person to donate. this is more than a million dollars. if he knew about it, this is a huge violation of the law. that's what the prosecution has to prove beyond reasonable doubt. that is a big question right now. >> marcia, under what circumstances would jury problems lead a judge to declare a mistrial or be used for grounds for an appeal later on? i mean, wearing clothes is not one of them i assume. wearing identical clothing. >> no. although it might be an indication of something, but no. it'd have to do with poor taste rather than a violation that's grounds for an appeal. what i worry about more, alternates are supposed to be kept separate from the rest of the jury. they're not allowed to deliberate. they're not allowed to discuss the case. the jurors can only discuss the case while amongst themselves and only while they're all together.
they are allowed however to have lunch with the alternates. if i'm the defense, i'm going to point to the fact look they're in the lunchroom with them, they're talking together. what do you think they're going to talk about? the only thing they have in common is the trial. that's a big worry. then we know the judge has admonished the jurors twice now to only discuss the case when they're alone in the jury room which may indicate there have been reports they've discussed the case in factions outside the courtroom. that's bad news. >> marcia clark, appreciate it. bob woodruff thank you for the reporting. he cried when he was sentenced but the student convicted of using a web cam to spy on his gay roommate never apologized for his actions until today. we'll tell you what he said next.
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that may be nowhere more true than with brain surgeons in particular. when it comes to, you know, very emotional things like getting engaged, that can be more frightening than even doing brain surgery. >> i love that we interviewed sanjay about this. i'm happy to report that the story does have a happy ending. when a brain surgeon can't get a job done, you have to call on a guy with a metal detector. that's right. he saved the day. boy, was the brain surgeon revealed. >> i didn't really care about the expense of it all, i really wanted to be engaged to her at that point. you know? >> so yes, the ring was recovered, the brain surgeon proposed. the girlfriend said yes. >> you have to feel sorry for a guy who's been digging in the rain for a couple hours. how can you say no to that? >> and this mishap won't get the guy laughed out of brain surgeon poker night. as it turns out, this happens to the best of them. >> i lost my own wedding ring once. i was on w