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and i'll have another, the horse, that's the name of the horse that won the kentucky deshet and preekness is hoping to become the first triple crown winner since, can you guess it? 1978. that is all for me. thank you for joining me in the past two hours. i'll toss it on to "the situation room" to wolf blitzer. >> kate, thanks very much. happening now, voters deciding whether to recall a controversial republican governor. the bitter fight may have huge implications for the presidential election. >> after raising eyebrows by praizing mitt romney's business record, bill clinton changing course saying a romney presidency would be calamitous for the country and indeed the world. capping a celebration of 60 years on the throne as queen elizabeth ii offers a heartfelt message.
i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com wisconsin residents are voting right now on an extraordinary move to recall the governor scott walker and replace him with tom barrett. this election might be a sneak preview of the november press connection. the effort to get rid of walker was sparked by his move to get rid of collective bargaining rights for public employees. the state is split down the middle, the nasty battle against the tea party movement that has made vast amounts of money. dana bash reports. >> reporter: at a labor headquarters in madison, a frenzied final push to get out the vote. checking and re-checking lists,
last-minute phone calls upon. the climax of a lengthy union effort of the republican governor scott walker. >> this is about mobilizing our people and the base and connecting with our voters. >> reporter: it's a similar scene in a walker war room. gop officials claim to have made 4 million calls and all of this comes at an unprecedented price tag, upwards of $63 million raised so far. >> when we come up with the final tally of this race it will be in the $75 to $80 million raised. $37 million just raised in 2010 when walker was sew first elected. >> this is so out of proportion for a state the size of wisconsin. >> reporter: what's also out of proportion, walker has raised 7.5 times than that of his challenger.
walker, $30.5 million. a quirk inis wisconsin law let walker raise unlimited funds since he's targeted with a recall and republicans saying this as a preview of the is presidential race. bob perry gave half a million dollars and he -- 70% of walker's donations last month came from outside wisconsin. contributions large and small from all over the country. phil raised money for republicans for 26 years. >> we're wildly excited on both sides. the intensity has gotten so high that people who have never considered getting -- just throwing themselveses into the race. >> reporter: what's the reason? this may have been spurred by walker, all, but doing away with collected bargaining rights and wisconsin moved into a 2012
testing ground for gop party tea party principles. outside groups flooded wisconsin with $25 million. most of that from the democratic side especially unions who gave at least $8 million. a who's who of washington interest groups from planned parenthood to the nra. the republican governors association got $1 million gop high roller david cook. all of this money into a polarizing wes wiss that shows fewer undecideds. both sides focused more resources than ever to get out the vote. >> if we get people, either republicans and conservatives. we think it's a very encouraging sign. and wolf, just before coming on with you i spoke to a state official and officials in both party, everybody is reporting very, very high turnout across
the state. both hope that bodes well for them. at one place i was told there is a half an hour wait. i have to tell this story because it speaks what's going on in the state. there is a cad company called union taxi in very liberal madison and offering free taxing rides for anybody who wants to go to the polls to vote. >> expecting 2.5 million people expected to vote in wisconsin. in 2008 when the president carried wisconsin by a huge margin. is that good news for the democrats or good news for the republicans? do we have a clue? >> reporter: i was just talking to top state republican official about that very question, wolf, and he said if there is turnout that high, close 3 million like there was in 2008 then that is good for the democrats and bad for the republicans, but a lot of it depends on where the
turnout is high and not high. they're hoping the turnout is very high here. democrats hope it is the same in dade county which is where madison is in northern milwaukee when which is where the democratic candidate is from. overall, a turnout is very high. republicans adnate is good for the democrats. >> tom barrett is the mayor of wisconsin. i'll be co-anchoring with piers morgan at 9:00 p.m. eastern and we'll make a projection once all of the please close. thanks very much. it is not easy to have recalls over the years. every coroner has been tag edded and it is the only california governor ousted in 2003. only one other state governor was recalled by voters and that
was in 1921 when with north dakota kicked out frazier. bill clinton raised eyebrows when he said mitt romney had a sterling business record, but he changed his tune during's series of democratic fund raisers in new york. he praised president obama and then said he thought the alternative would be, and i'm quoting now, calamitous for our country and the world. president clinton went all out for president obama last night. listen to these excerpts. >> i care about the long-term debt of the country a lot. remember me? i'm the only guy that gave you surplus years out of eight i set. i hope when i say to you we'll have some weight because i want you to say it to everybody you see between now and november.
i don't think it's important to reelect the president. i think it is essential to re-elect the president if we want this country to have the kind of future that our children and grandchildren deserve and here's why. when i left office we returned to the trickle down policies big tax cuts and mostly for people in my income group because i never had any money while i was in the house, and maybe because i had the taxes and i didn't know what it was like. this is a clear election. also, for me, it's important to say in my opinion he's done an amazing job making our country more secure, more safe, more peaceful and building a world with more partners and fewer adversaries and that is very, very important.
so -- and he's had to get all this done while people as recently as last week were saying he wasn't born in america. he's had to get all this done with a house of representatives that had one of the tea party members claim that 78 of 81 members of the caucus of the communist party and not one memb member -- and there were one or two living communists walking around. nobody has seen a communist in over a decade. no criticism is too vicious and too fact-free.
you have to take the facts out there. take the facts on the economy, the facts on health care, the facts on energy, the facts on education and the fact is we've got an economic policy that has a real chance to bring america back. why do you think long-term interest rates -- remember the republicans on e, that obama is such a big spender, we'll have a weak dollar and interest rates are dlu the roof, you know what the interest rate was today? .25%. they're giving away the money. now you're laughing, but why are they doing that? because people believe america has a solid, economic strategy for the long run. and who would have ever thought that the republicans would embrace the austerity and jobless policies of what they used to divisively called old
europe. i never thought i would live and breathe, and say they r 11% unemployment. we can get up there if we try. we're laughing folks, this is serious. too much politics is fact-free. just think about the world you want you children and grandchildren to live in. think about what the 21st century can be. there's nothing wrong with america that can't be fixed and our inherent dwaj advantages and the strength of the system is there, but you have to have the right captain of the ship, and i am depending on you to take care of future generations by making sure that that captain is president barack obama. >> so there he is, the former president of the united states introducing the current president of the united states.
jessica yellin is joining us. the tone is very different than what he said on "piers morgan tonight" last week when he suggested that mitt romney's business record at bane capital was sterling. last night he said specifically if romney were elected it would be calamitous for our country and the world. the economics are wrong headed and their economies are work. how much tenth did your remark has been behind the scenes? >> reporter: it did not cause cory booker-level indigestion that's because president obama's aides acknowledge that governor romney has the qualifications to be president and that includes his business record. what they dispute is that his business record can create jobs. the frustration was not with
president clinton's remarks although they would have preferred he chose his words a bit more carefully, it was more with the media for spinning up his remarks and trying to equate them with what cory booker said. cory booker's remarks and the president's were very different. >> you heard the birther movement and we've been hearing a lot about that lately, specially about don taald trump. here's the situation that the president can say things that the president can't say. >> reporter: he can mock the president's critics. he is out of office and he pays no price with it and he doesn't have to work with anyone in congress that same way. he did something that was quite new. when he said that governor romney tied them to the republicans in congress and they're embracing the policies
of old europe and he's turning the argument on his head. the republican argue that he embraces socialism and he's playing verbal jujitsu and saying you're the once embracing european policies. >> he went against allen west in florida saying there were 78 to 81 communists in the democratic caucus in the house of representatives. you heard what bill clinton had to say about that. he specifically blasted romney and other republican leaders for refusing to blast allen west for those comments. all right, jessica, thanks very much. he still has what it takes for the political rhetoric and don't forget my one-on-one interview and that takes place here in "the situation room." you can send me questions on
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jack kf cafferty is here with "the cafferty file." wolf, it's discouraging. almost 60% of parents are afraid of their kids achieving the american dream. six in ten americans dissatisfied for the opportunity for the next satisfaction to live better than their parents did. a sad commentary on the state of this count rye. parents have always dreamed for a brighter future for their children than the one they had.
many of us wind up working longer and retiring later than anticipated. the ceo of aig told bloomberg news the retirement age could reach 80 in light of europe's ongoing debt crisis. raising the retirement age is one way to make pensions more affordable. as europe sinks deeper on the massive government debt. it describes young, european a documents as the screwed generation. in countries like spain, greece, portugal and italy, the baby boomers have held on to the good jobs and benefits and left little opportunity for their children. this is stunning, in spain and greece nearly half of adults under the age of 25 do not work. half. there's an increasing sense of hopelessness as they give up on the idea of raising a family and the united states could be next. young americans are crushed with
college debt when they graduate and even with degree in hand, a lot of them can't find a job. consider this, a majority of unemployed americans older than 25 went to college. here's the question. what does it mean when six in ten people worry about their children achieving the american dream? go to cnn.com/cafferty file and post a comment on my blog or to the situation room's facebook page. >> good question. buckle up and hold on tight and be blasted with hurricane-force winds. that's what they're going through as part of an experiment to help people understand how powerful and dangerous these storms could be. let's go live to john zarrella joining us from gainesville, florida. i know you have an exciting report for us. >> how many times have you and i over the years said i've been through the wind and rain.
here they've set up this wind machine and you can see it here and what they are trying to do with this wind machine is research in order to dispel what they call some wrong perceptions of just how strong storms are. >> the water's getting hire. >> reporter: there i am in north carolina battling the wind and water last year during hurricane irene. >> the wind and the rain. >> reporter: looks pretty bad, doesn't it? the problem is sometimes the perception of the storm's strength are different from reality and that could lead to injuries and debt. >> what we're actually doing here is we're creating constructive unease and that unease is the thing that will propel people to do something differently. >> the university of florida and the federal alliance for safe homes have teamed up to try to understand how people perceive wind, rain and water. are you ready? >> yes! >> reporter: you're sure?
>> yes! >> reporter: you don't want to call this off? >> no. >> reporter: all right. it's your funeral. volunteers are strapped into harnesses on top of the platform and then the giant turbines are turned on and they're blasted with six different wind speeds up to 100 miles per hour. sometimes they're hit with wind? water. the participants hand signal their guesstimates to the researcher. >> the highest i estimated 85 miles per hour. >> you know how fast that was? >> 60. >> researchers finding people pretty accurate at the lower wind speeds, but like corinne, most overestimated speeds. >> it's part of humans not having experience in these types of winds. >> reporter: researchers say what's clear so far is people
with prior tropical storm or hurricane experience are better estimators of wind speed. the problem is most people have never been through one. >> reporter: all right. so now you know what i'm going do and i've got forrest masters with me, the creator of the wind machine and he'll turn it on in just a second. i don't know how fast he's going to crank it up to, right? >> that's right. >> reporter: you'll crank and i and wolf and i will guess how fast it was. >> hang on tight. >> go!
>> reporter: wow! my ifb is still working, wolf? can you hear me okay? >> i hear you fine. you look great over there. how fast do you think you were going? >> reporter: i have a feeling -- my lips feel like it was 100 getting hit with that water. what do you think wolf? i think 100 miles an hour. >> i think a lot worse. we're in the hurricane season. i'm guessing it was maybe 50 or 60. >> reporter: wolf says it's a lot less about 50 or 60, i said it was 100 which would mean category 2, roughly. what was it? >> all of the years of chasing storms was right on the number, 100 miles an hour. >> it's easier when you're
actually hearing it, wolf. if you would have been standing next to me, you would have said 100. >> tell our viewers what it felt like when the wind and water was blowing in your face? >> reporter: you can't hear anything. all you hear is the loud roar of just that wind blasting you in your face. the wind, we always talk about how it feels like sand hitting your face. that's exactly what it feel like and again, what we just experienced was the category 2 hurricane on the scale of 1 to 5, that's a fairly moderate storm, but still, if you had been in that hurricane, you would have been in the right place at the wrong time, right, forrest? that was pretty dramatic. no question. >> it was 10, 15 or 20 seconds. you can imagine if you were stuck in there for minutes and minutes and minutes. that is clearly a life-threatening situation unless you really know what
you're doing. hurricane season is formally under way, right? june 1 tst? >> hopefully we'll continue to dodge bullets as we have the last few years. >> that would be great. >> thanks very much. a category 1 or category 2 is 100 miles an hour in gainesvi e gainesville. the first lady michelle obama is praising disney and details about what the company is doing with its children's channels and a highway horror story. what happened to the driver and the passengers on this bus. ♪... ♪...
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lisa sylvester is monitoring that and other top stories in "the situation room." what's going on, lisa? >> with republicans blocking it as expected. the bill is designed to help prevent pay discrimination against women. president obama said it would give them equal pay for equal work. the measure would pose unprecedented government control over how employees are paid. first lady michelle obama is praising disney for a bold advertising move. the company says it will stop taking ads for junk food on its channels for children. disney says it wants to promote healthier eating and it will search nutritional guidelines. president obama has been leading a fight against childhood obesity calls disney's move a game changer. in china, the driver of this bus was being called a hero. he was fatally injured when he
was struck by a piece of sheet metal. he managed to pull over, possibly saving the lives of the people onboard. thousands turned up and they issued a posthumous award. starbucks will be expanding to bread. the company is buying the san francis francisco-based brand. is the vice president's wife already pushing a presidential run? what jill biden is saying about 2016. stand by. as the u.s. confirms that it's killed al qaeda's number two leader. i'll speak with the author about president obama's secret wars. [ thunk ] sweet!
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ladies, thanks very much for coming in. wisconsin, wisconsin, wisconsin. bigger recall election today. the reports we're getting in from the field look like it will be pretty close and significant voter turnout, but the president of the united states didn't go there. he sent out a tweet earlier today. it's election day in wisconsin tomorrow and i'm standing by tom barrett. he'd make an outstanding governor. signed b.o., barack obama. >> no one is talking about mitt romney and his traveling. this is not a national election in wisconsin. this is a statewide election. this is about the people of wisconsin. and the governor that came in with agenda, and this is about main street and wisconsin and that's why president obama decided like most other politicians that this is about going on on wisconsin. romney's name's not on the ballot. >> the republican employees, he
was in neighboring minnesota and in neighboring illinois. he could have made a quick stop. >> i don't think president obama would have been a secret weapon. >> he's popular among democrats. >> of course, he's popular. they want to make this a national election and they want to bring in president obama so they can talk about president obama and the unions and all of that and this is about scott walker and what he did to the voters there and the fact that he targeted public employees in the state of wisconsin. that's what the fight is about today. >> there's also a question whether or not the president would have actually helped. this started out as a fight over collective bargaining. they worked. now they have school districts and they have governments ney negotiating your own contracts. >> this is a statewide election. if anything, the ramifications nation wide will be to get out the vote effort.
we'd have people from across the nation, getting out the vote, making phone calls and that would be a good test for turning out the vote. the unions are upset that governor walker busted up the government unions that aren't necessary. at one time union his a role, especially government unions. >> you don't believe in any unions in the private sector. >> we're talking about the reforms that governor walker has made. he's saved $1 billion in making them be successful. in the last debate we weren't talking about collective bargaining unions. >> had scott walker not looked at the ballot and implemented a balanced approach.
no reason why working families and americans whether they belonged to unions or not should take the brunt of the public ire when we all have to put some skin in the game. >> i was intrigued by comments, switching gears, by what jill biden said earlier today on television. looking ahead to 2016 and her husband. listen to this. >> he would make a great president, i always felt. last time when he ran i supported him. i wanted us out of iraq, and i thought joe would do that, but barack did it so everything worked out. >> is that a hint? he hasn't ruled out 2016, the vice president. >> i haven't talked to vice president in the last couple of weeks. his number one objective right now is working to help keep this country safe and secure along with president obama and helping to elect president obama. after that we'll talk about one in 2016 much, much later.
>> he has the distraction in this campaign and he's doing what he can and the campaign on hope and change and so they get biden throughout to talk about gay marriage and they don't want to talk about the fact that his policies have failed to create jobs and real issues people are concerned with which is jobs and the economy, and -- >> with all due respect to you, the republicans are upset. >> so you can't keep blaming it on the predecessor. we've had three years and he has to turn things around and it's a one-year proposition. >> there is no doubt that if you compare what's happening right now the economy where it existed in 2008 it's better now than it was then. the country was on the verge of a depression at that point. >> the republicans get upset --
>> and don't tell it to the 23 million americans who are out of work. >> and don't tell it to the millions of americans who think the policy put us back in that ditch. >> we'll continue this debate. >> the world has watched four-day celebration and queen elizabeth is speaking out about her diamond jubilee. we're going out to london and have details of the dramatic fin ale. that's coming up next. if there was a pill to help protect your eye health as you age... would you take it? well, there is. [ male announcer ] it's called ocuvite. a vitamin totally dedicated to your eyes, from the eye-care experts at bausch + lomb. as you age, eyes can lose vital nutrients. ocuvite helps replenish key eye nutrients. [ male announcer ] ocuvite has a unique formula not found in your multivitamin to help protect your eye health.
as well as a flyover. elizabeth ii spoke in a rare broadcast message. >> it touched me deeply to see so many thousands of neighbors and friends celebrating together in such a happy atmosphere. i hope memories of all this year's happy events will brighten our lives for many years to come. i will continue to treasure and draw inspiration from the country's kindnesses shown to me throughout this country and throughout the commonwealth. thank you all. impressive. our royal correspondent max foster is joining us from london. she's amazing, 86 years old. quick question before we talk about this final day. her husband, prince philip, in the hospital with a bladder infection. what do wean about that? >> he's still there and his youngest son, prince edward did
visit him today. prince edward's wife sophie said he was in good spirits and was getting better and watched all of these events unfold on tv from his hospital bed. that's the only update we've had so far and he's still there and he's under observation. we wish him only a speedy recovery. how did this final day of the jubilee go? >> reporter: well, it started off because of prince philip's illness and we saw the queen arrive at the cathedral, and lots of dignitaries there, but his presence was very much missed. he's always with the queen and she came down the aisle and sat down with prince charles in the end and she is the head of the church of england and she's an extremely religious figure and that was a solemn moment, and that was followed up later on by
a carriage procession which was a jolly affair and a reminder of last year's royal wedding that this was all about the queen and the crowds were very much there for the queen. so a big, big ground affair and very positive crowds. >> max, thanks very much. a lovely day. next hour we'll have highlights of all of the events over the past four days. stand by for that. we've been taught to limit our intake of sodium, but now -- >> our obsession with salt is misguided. it's the wrong suspect. are scientists and doctors actually changing their mind about salt? mary snow will investigate. and we'll hear about the author of the president's secret wars around the world. we asked the furlow family to bring in their favorite dvds
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jack's back with "the cafferty file." jack? >> the question this hour is what does it mean when 6 in 10 americans worry about their kids being able to achieve the american dream? will in las vegas says something better change fast or you're looking at the 21 century version of the french revolution. mark in oklahoma writes when it comes to the do-nothing congress res there is great cause to worry about the future of the children. why are all of the adults in the room like us standing around talking about this and yet we're not doing anything about it. rob in north carolina writes, the most important part of anien dfor is hope and despite what the government does or in our case does not do, the belief of
having it get better for ourselves and our children has always been the strength of the country. when you get everything handed to you then we are fooling ourselves. if we believe that our success is depending on someone else's failure then we have every right to be worried. you have to earn the american dream every single day. gary in california write, it means 60% of the population realizes how tough a spot we're in. our kids will pay for our mistakes and we ought to be ashamed because we still haven't started fixing the problems that they stand to inherit. jim ney north carolina writes this, things have gotten so confused lately, that i've forgotten what the american dream used to be. i used to think it was a car, a house in the suburb and cookouts on a is the night. the hamburgers we're told aren't really good for you. if you want to read about this go to the blog on
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about salt and they're making huge waves in the scientific world. cnn's mary snow is working the story for us. a piece that ran in "the new york times" on sunday, spairkin lots of commotion about it. tell us about it. >> there are very strong opinions about it with differing views. this is brought by a science journalist. he believes there is an unhealthy obsession with salt. salt is seen as a public enemies. >> many americans don't know that unseen salt drives up their blood pressure. >> one science journalist makes bold claims questioning the truth behind what we've been told about salt. >> our obsession with salt is misguided. it's the wrong suspect. the crime is hypertension, heart disease, strokes, premature deaths, our salt consumption is
not the issue. >> gary is not a scientist, but a writer who does independent research challenging nutritional science and the author of "why we get fat." questions were raised as soon as 2011. finding the opposite of what doctors have been telling us for decades that low salt increase c can increase the risk of heart attacks and stroke. doctors at harvard said the study was flawed. >> reporter: did we misjudge salt? >> not at all. the doctor is a former director of the center for disease control's division of heart disease and prevention. >> they simply are a minor part of a vast body of evidence from studies all over the world that establish the very close link between the amount of intake of
sodium that we take in every day and our levels of blood pressure. consequently the risk of strokes and heart attacks, dementia and other cardiovascular complications. >> reporter: the cdc says adults should consume no more than 2300 milligrams a day. about a teaspoon. that number is smart for people 51 or older, african-americans or those with existing health issues. some question whether those guidelines should be so broad. one cardiologist at the mayo clinics individuals have various sensitivity levels to sodium. his health impact is inkrom pleat. >> i think we know with fairly good certainty is that the extremes of salt intake, very low intake and very high intake may be harmful for the general population. >> reporter: major health groups like the american heart association say they see salt as
the enemy and in the battle of high blood pressure avoiding it, they say, is your primary weapon. >> mary snow, thanks very, very much. and you're in "the situation room." happening now, the united states kills al qaeda's number two leader in one of the strikes of the terror network since killing of osama bin laden. plus, is this attack the latest symbol of the so-called obama doctrine? i'll can ask "the new york times" david sanger and the author of secret wars against enemies around the world. >> and a rousing fin ale of queen elizabeth's 60 years on the throne. the diamond jubilee extravaganza. we want to welcome our viewers around the united states and around the world. >> i'm wolf blitzer and you're "in the situation room." -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
it's potentially the biggest blow to al qaeda since the death of osama bin laden. in london our own national security analyst peter bergen puts it, quote, more or less out of business. a direct quote from peter bergen. the united states confirming that it has killed the terror network's number two leader abu yahya al libi in the pakistan border. barbara starr sat the pentagon and has the latest on the mission. barbara? >> wolf, we all used to talk about the notion of capturing or killing terrorists. today, another incident, straight for the kill. >> reporter: abu yahya al libi was one of the most important al qaeda leaders, often appearing in videos, but not a front line fighter himself. >> this is an individual who can
recruit for al qaeda by calling its jihad a holy war and obligation for its followers to join in and because he has this religious knowledge he's been able to justify al qaeda's campaign. >> reporter: he was killed by a cia drone strike in the border region, one of seven strikes in the last two weeks. overall the number of drone strikes has dropped. 22 strikes so far this year, compared to 32 for the same time period last year. still, al libi was some not u.s. wanted to get. >> he's also got this hollywood story because in 2005 he escaped from bagram air force base in afghanistan. he cut through some wire to get out of the compound there. >> reporter: u.s. officials say his kill saying crucial blow to al qaeda. >> he was very much an
operational leader, general manager of al qaeda with a range of experience that is hard to replica replicate. >> this is a very dangerous individual, and for him to no longer be walking the earth would be a good thing for everybody. the leadership development program of al qaeda has health risks and hazards that we think are good. >> but al qaeda has been able to reconstitute in the past and get new leadership. the question now with al libi's death, will it be able to recruit, train, finance, equip and stage critical attack operations. in recent months al qaeda hasn't had much success of that, wolf? >> what about the number one al qaeda leader, ayman al zawahiri. i assume they're trying to kill him as well. >> i don't think anyone is talking about capturing him at
the moment. he is believed to be hiding on the tribal region on the pakistan side. that means he would be in the crosshairs of the cia because it is only cia drones that are the only u.s. aircraft, armed aircraft, that fly in that region of pakistan. wolf? >> there you. the latest attack and yet another major victory for president obama and what's been called the secret war against enemies of the united states written by "the new york times" reporter david sanger. i'll speak to him in a moment, but first let's get background from brian todd in "the situation room." >> being called the obama doctrine. the number two man, the latest in the series of focused strikes on terrorists and other targets. strikes that changed the perception of how this president engages. >> reporter: how obama has shocked critic &s and supporters
alike. >> this is sort of an anti-war president that wants no military engagement in the region. >> vali nasr served under president obama at the state department and david sanger who writes about the president's surprising willingness to allow focused strikes against america's enemies. few expected barack obama to move from a leader who early on won the nobel peace prize and spoke of ending hostilities. >> we do not want to keep our troops in afghanistan. >> reporter: to become the president to order the bin laden raid and escalating the drone strikes and stepped up cyber attacks against iran's nuclear program. >> what does it is a about his view about america's view in the world? >> i think the president still understands that one of his primary duties is protection of
the homeland. i think he understands that there are still threats out there from either states like iran or north korea as well as still threats from al qaeda, and i think this came home to him with the christmas bomber and the times square bombing. >> sanger also writes of a president surprisingly hands-on, often meeting in "the situation room" to address damage. perhaps not since lendon johnson sat in the same room, had a president of the united states been so intimately involved in the step-by-step escalation of a foreign attack of a foreign nation's infrastructure. none have said mr. obama has been forceful enough. >> if you do not want america to be the strongest nation on earth i'm not your president. you have that president today. >> vali nasr himself warns of
the down side of this tactical leadership of president obama. nasr says targeted killings work in the short run, but you can't shop politics in the middle east and you can't build anti-americanism. >> critics keep complaining about what they describe about these authorized leaks of classified information. >> a lot of these accounts make the president look decisive and strong and the terrorists make him look good in an election year and some of these leaks compromise national security and the white house has denied that they authorized any leaks of its kind. both authors also said they did not get their information that way. >> david sanger who has a brand new book out as well. david sanger is joining us now. he's the chief washington
correspondent for "the new york times." confront and conceal, obama's secret wars and surprising use of american power. you've written an amazing book and i've learned a great deal just going through it as quickly as i possibly can, but walk us through, based on all of your reporting, how the president personally would authorize the killing of the number two al qaeda leader al libi. walk us through how that would work. >> wolf, thanks. it's great to be back with you. the president had gotten deeply involved of what the white house calls the light footprint strategy and that is define strategy and deal with america's adversaries without sending 100 thousand troops in and without sending $1 trillion without occupying the country and building up resentments that are involved in that, and you heard vali nasr say there are limits
to this strategy, and there are. to your question here, the president reviews a good number of these kill lists and not necessarily for pakistan, but certainly for yemen. my guess is in the al libi case and this is guesswork, but in the al libi case, that's not the hard decision. they come when there are people that might not be a direct threat to the united states that are on these lists and there you get the paradox of barack obama trying to find out if this fits into some legal or moral code and the commander in chief barack obama. >> we saw the same thing in the cyber cases where he was deeply involved in looking at the iranian centrifuges. >> but walk us through the decision making process, just to kill someone with the drone strike using hellfire missiles or whatever as opposed to going after someone trying to capture
them, interrogate them or kill them in person along the lines of ben laden and these are difficult decisions, as well. >> it's been made easier in the pakistan case. the pakistanis would react so strongly to american forcesing about inside pakistan. one footage of this and we have been in some of this area that it's not a place where you are likely to be terribly successful putting in even special forces, but the drone has become a very easy and convenient way to go do this. and it's been enormous with the pakistanis. think of this, wolf, we always say as a nation that we don't want pakistan to be a military-run country, and it has a -- and a month and a half ago it voted to ban foreign drone
strikes in the country and there have been a lot of drone strikes since including this big one and apparently a very successful one yesterday. >> some civil libertarians and others used to complain about what were described as targeted assassinations and the moral factor if you will. has that been an issue for this president? >> i think this has been and the difficulty they've run into are twofold. first is, as i said before, they don't see that they have a real alternative is a way to go through this other than the drones. it is a rare exception because they needed to demonstrate that the person that they had killed or captured was binladen, but the second problem is that we're now 11 and a half years out from 9/11 and the original justification for a military action that the u.s. was doing was in direct retaliation for the world trade center, for the
pentagon and those attacks. well, very few of the people they're getting right now with the exception of zawahiri who the u.s. is being looking for were involved in that attack and that was 11 years ago now. it's become so distended from the 9/11 attacks that you sort of need a new and different justification. >> david, stand by. i need to continue this conversation with you. i'll ask david about the secret cyber attack that he says the president personally ordered on iran's nuclear program. also, a dramatic end to four days of fanfare celebrating queen elizabeth tii. it's being billed as the biggest media event ever. ahead details on what could be the final frontier in reality tv. great shot.
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we're back with david sanger, the chief washington correspondent for "the new york times." confront and conceal the secret wars and surprising use of american power. let's talk about cyber warfare. amazing reporting that you've done on a u.s. cyber warfare attack on iran's nuclear program apparently in collaboration, you say, with the israelis. just give us the headlines. >> well, the headlines, wolf, is this program called olympic games is more than four years old. it began under president obama and it was handed off to president obama in a one-on-one meeting between president obama and president-elect obama just a few days before the election in january 2009. president obama has expanded the cyber program just as he expanded the drone program every few weeks. the cia director leon panetta and others would come down and meet him in "the situation room"
and lay out what they call the horse blanket which was a diagram of the nuclear enrichment facility and the idea here was to design a computer worm that could get through basically an electronic moat that surrounds the plant and gets into the computers and force them to destroy themselves. it worked. it set back a program by the cia's estimate by maybe 18 months to two years. others say that it's overly optimistic that the iranians did manage to rebuild and it was the first known use, sustained use of a cyber weapon against another nation's infrastructure. it's a new world. >> are the u.s. and israelis, are they actively collaborating
in the cyber warfare against iran's nuclear program? >> they collaborated from the nuclear program and some of it was done at the national security agency between baltimore and washington. some was done by a military intelligence unit in israel called unit 8200 and they swapped code back and forth as they were working on it. part of the effort here, wolf, was to convince the israelis and engage them in a process that the united states believed could have the same effects as bombing the facilities, but without actually having to do an overt bombing that many fear could lead to a war in the middle east. >> i don't know if you're familiar with john mccain, the statement that he just made on you and your book. i'm going read a little line from it. are you familiar with what he said? >> i know what he side singap e
singapore, but i haven't heard what he said today. >> in the latest of the recently published articles published in june in "the new york times" the secret decision to accelerate, the author of the article david sanger clearly states that former and current american officials spoke to him, but refused to do so on the record because the program is both highly classified and part of it are ongoing. this is the first time that the government's involvement has ever been revealed and an operation that was clearly one of the tightly held national security secrets in our country until now. it then goes on to say as part of this investigation he wants a special council to scrutinize the book for which the cyber attacks article was adopted and it was just released for improper or illegal disclosure. it's a very strong statement
from senator mccain, wanting a special council and a full-scale investigation, and i wonder if you want to react off of the top of your head today. >> the only thing i've said about this, wolf, is that this took about 18 months and it's not -- you don't put a story together like this from people with the administration calling you up and saying we want to tell you about this program. it took a long time, but the main disclosure here came from stocksnet itself that escaped from the netanz enrichment facility because of a mistake that was made. once the mistake that was made that revealed it to the world and it was at that moment that people recognized this some state was going out and attacking the netanz plant and the iranians understood that two years ago. what i did was fill in the details. >> you also report on who is
responsible for that mistake in the book. tell us your conclusion. >> the -- there was some dispute about whether or not in the course of the working on this virus who made the error. the initial american assessment was that the israelis had ramped up the worm too much and later on people came to the conclusion that they made the error that was very common and everybody has a piece of software and suddenly discovers that that software has a small flaw in it and in this case it aloud an iranian engineer that hooked up to the netanz plant and the worm left the laptop. when he got home later on and hooked up to the internet the worm itself just propagated out into the internet and that was a mistake that revealed the
program. >> it's a whole new world, the cyber warfare that's going on right now. david, thanks very much. let me put the book jacket up on the screen one more time. "confront andonceal. obama's secret wars and american power." >> thank you. >> let's go to jack cafferty. he's got "the cafferty file." reality tv is set to conquer the final frontier or they're going try. a dutch company says they're planning a new reality show about humans colonizing mars in 2023. it is a co-creator of the show "big brother." they're billing this as the biggest media event others. viewers would follow the selection training and mars. it's the next logical step, i suppose and the phenomenon that is reality tv. after all, they've already done
about everything else, haven't they? just this week, the sundance channel launched a new show called push girls, following the lives of five women in cheel chairs and follows what life is like after paralysis. i think" cops on fox would have been first. now there are competition shows like "the survivo" and "the apprentice" and "the amazing race" and "america's got talent," dating shows, "the bachelor" and "the bachelorette." families with eight kids and the real housewives, jersey shore, programs about over the top sweet 16 parties and paris hilton and the kardashians.
from survivor to reality shows. reality shows are cheap to produce and people like them. what's with the outer limit on reality tv? go to cnn.com/cafferty file and post a comment on my blog or go to "the situation room's" facebook page. >> thanks very, very much. why you should always wear your seat belt. check out this accident caught on tape and we'll have details about what happened. that's coming up. [ male announcer ] when this hotel added aflac
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he has now since resigned. >> fortunately no kids were in that bus and they're probably not wearing seat bells, either. >> look at those pictures. what a disaster. >> it is a reminder, wear your seat belt. >> thanks, lisa. a huge race that could be a tell tale sign of who wins the white house. the first poll out of wisconsin expected only minutes from now. that's why programs like... ...the mickelson exxonmobil teachers academy... ...and astronaut sally ride's science academy are helping our educators improve student success in math and science. let's shoot for the stars. let's invest in our teachers and inspire our students. let's solve this.
mitt romney's in texas in the state that put him over the top in the delegate count. he's making a not so subtle pitch to a group of voters where he could really use help, latinos. here's joe johns. >> reporter: mitt romney talking about jobs in fort worth, a big city with a big hispanic population in strong hold texas. >> this has been hard on hispanic-americans if i were the next president of the united states i'll be president for all americans and make sure that this economy is good for all american, hispanic and otherwise. >> reporter: the campaign is pushing its economic message
hard in the hispanic community, both in appearances and web videos. but romney's position with latino voters . >> he's got a lot of room to grow. >> reporter: how bad is it? >> a recent gallup tracking poll shows president bush with a 41-point lead among latinos, even though the obama administration has failed to pass a plan as promised and has deported a record number of hispanics. cuban-american senator and romney supporter, marco rubio who still gets talked about as i on a running mate has ideas. >> my suggestion is the republican party lead on that and talk clearly about the things we stand for and the changes we'll make to the immigration program. >> reporter: instead of something like that, the romney campaign got off on the wrong foot with latino voters.
they took strong positions taking support behind the arizona law to determine if people are in the state illegally. >> i think you see a model here in arizona. >> reporter: romney suggested he's for self-deportation for illegal immigrants which was touted as unrealistic. he's taken heat for not talking about immigration. republican strategist navarro says all he needs is to win the latino votes in a few critical states and he says the economy is still the number one issue. >> we've got to focus on are the key battleground states where the hispanic vote can make or break the difference there, and we're talking about states like florida. states like arizona and those are the states where romney has got to microtarget so he doesn't have to win a majority of the national hispanic vote. >> reporter: and speaking of florida, mitt romney's wife ann was out campaigning in miami
with the state legislature. the romney campaign said for its part, it is not what they'll base it for this fall and they expect many in the hispanic community to be influenced by which candidate they think will lead the economy around. >> thanks, joe. joe johns reporting. >> thanks. this just coming in. let's turn to a huge state race that could be potentially a tell tale sign of who will wind up within the white house. the first exit polls are now out in wisconsin. they're just now coming in to "the situation room." john king is at the magic wall. >> let me give you this headline, brew the coffee, my friend. it looks like we'll be in for a late night, a close race on the exit polls. the polls don't close until 9:00. we can say this shapes up as a very close race. let's look at a cup of big things in this election.
remember, more than 60 million and as much as $80 million on the recall election and people complaining about the outside money and huge donations. when did you decide to vote. only 3% of the voters in the wisconsin recall said they decided today. only 4% in the last few days and only five in the month of may. 88% and nearly 90% of the voters decided before that. so all of that money spent in the last couple of weeks. yes, months ago, but all of that money in the last two weeks. nine in ten voters say they made up their mind a long time ago. this is a very polarizing environment. people are not happy about the state of politics. 60% of the voters have an unfavorable opinion of the republican party. just 47% favorable. this benefits the democratic challenge if the 50% doesn't like the republican party, guess what? the exact same numbers. half of the people don't like the democratic party and they're
unhappy with the tone of politics and identical numbers for the republican party views. it's a turnout election and highly contested and who can turn out their vote and here's one thing republicans will be happy about. this is up higher, 23% and that's higher than 2010, when scott walker beat the same challenger so republicans would be happy with that, and you think that helps. governor walker in this recall bid and here's another key constituency. are you a member of the household? one-third saying this is also upon a little bit and if you look at the exit data, it tells us both would do a good job of reaching out to the targeted voters. there are a lot of fascinating stuff to do, and the one thing i will say is it is a very, very close race and it will come down to turn out and the people are
disgusted with the state of politics in wisconsin. and i'll end where i began. brew the coffee. >> including at the top of the hour on "john king, u.s.a." and i'll be joined at 8:00 p.m. central and 9:00 p.m. central. and we'll see if we can make a projection or whether it will be a long, long night in wisconsin. it's been a celebration full of pomp and pageantly. queen elizabeth's diamond jubilee celebration. that's next. one of the best things about state farm is our accessibility.
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we put together some of the highlights of what's been an extraordinary four days and now queen elizabeth says it's, quote, a humbling experience at the same time. she spoke today at her diamond jubilee. watch all of this. ♪ ♪ >> the union flags are on every street corner in london and marches have been organized up and down the country and across the commonwealth. >> what's this in celebration of? >> the queen! ♪ ♪ >> the forecast is for a lot more rain. are you guys going to be okay tonight? >> yes. as long as i have my hood up, i should be okay. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the queen arrives in white
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>> the events that i've attended to mark my diamond jubilee have been a humbling experience which has touched me deeply to see so many thousands of families, neighbors and friends celebrating together in such a happy atmosphere. i hope that memories of all this year's happy events will brighten our lives for many years to come. thank you all. >> amazing four days celebrating queen elizabeth ii. >> space watchers are gearing up for a once in a life time event. here's a live picture of the smithsonian where people are gathering. you'll find out what the excitement is all about. we're at the exclusive el chorro lodge
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the minutes away from witnessing something in space that no one alive today will likely ever see again. almost certainly not. chad myers, explain to our viewers what's going on, chuck. >> the planet vines, wolf, will fly in front of our sun. we'll be able to see this with special goggles and binoculars with special filters on them and you cannot look at the sun like any other day and you'll never want to look at the sun because this thing will be so small you may not see it with the naked eye. that's when venus came in front of the sun in 2004. it must happen all of the time. no. the next time doesn't happen, wolf until 2117. it will be in front of the sun seven hours and we won't see it
for seven hours because the sun will set. we have pictures from the smithsonian. people are gathering there. there are a lot of watch parties around, and i know there are some in stone mountain and people will see it with a nice telescope with with d.c. right is it's completely cloudy. obviously clouds could break, they could come and go. you only need a couple minutes to view it. don't do what that guy is doing, don't look up to ski the sun, wolf. >> 105 years from now is the next time. maybe somebody alive now will be around 105 years to see it down the road. i stand corrected, chad, thanks. >> it's possible. >> it's very possible. thanks very much. let's get back to jack for "the cafferty file." jack? >> i'll bet there's an astronomer someplace that will take a picture of this and then we can all look at the picture. >> that's what i'm going to do. >> me, too. the question is hour, what else' the outer limit of reality tv? dan writes the outer limit will have contests where people actually die.
we pay boxers tens of millions of dollars to fight in a ring in front of a crowd. i bet for a couple hundred thousand dollars i could find a pool of people willing to kill and die. chuck of "the gong show" said the ultimate game show would be the one where the ultimate contestant is killed. david says i respect the question, i'm not a fan of reality tv but it's intriguing that it's only being asked now when television is finally and gracefully bringing wheelchair users to the forefront of a program for the first type "push girls" is a big step in the right direction for people with disabilities. the largest minority group on the planet, and the only minority group that anyone can become a member of at any time. peter in tarrytown, new york, the next should be a nudist colony on a dry piece of land surrounded by a swamp, infested with poison ivy, mosquitos, black widow spiders and no first aid kits. curtis in philadelphia, jack, if
real i tv is the answer to the television industry's prayer then we as a society don't have one, a prayer, that is. bob in ohio, over 50 years ago, newton minnow called tv a vast waste land. he was and is correct. ken says the only limit is a show that the producers don't think will produce good ratings. group of humans colonizing mars in 2023 i just may watch that one. philip writes "survivor in the state penitentiary." l writes anything that introduced us to the kardashians and made them celebrities, it probably doesn't have any limits or tastes. if you want to read more, go to cnn.com/caffertyfile or our posts on "the situation room's" facebook page. it's a reality show we have here. >> very reality oriented. >> absolutely. it's not a bird or a plane or superman, it's a cat who ran out of lives but now flies. stand by.
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this just coming in to "the situation room," the space shuttle enterprise was damaged on its trip on the hudson river this weekend, enterprise was moved on a barge to its new home at the intrepid sea, air and space museum. now officials say part of the wing was damaged on the way when the shuttle hit the bridge. they say a sudden burst of wind pushed the spaceship into the wooden bumpers and the damage is cosmetic. enterprise was the first shuttle built and used for landing tests, never went to space. in california a group enjoys a hike in the hollywood hills in south korea. children sit by graves at the
national cemetery in seoul, before the country's memorial day. in france, a siberian tiger yawns in its enclosure at the zoo, and in nepal, a young monk contrasts ancient tradition with modern technology taking photos and videos of a festival on his ipad. pictures coming in from around the world. people say cats have nine lives, when those lives run up, you expect most owners to say good-byes. not the man you're about to meet. here's jeanne moos. >> reporter: liftoff. for the cat copter, a remote controlled respect made out of a dead cat. no wonder jaws drop. >> i think they should let the cat rest in peace. that's crazy. >> reporter: but the cat's owner, dutch artist bart jansen considers this a tribute. >> i loved this cat and this is a way to make him eternity. >> reporter: his name was
orville. he and his brother wilbur were named after the right brothers so when orville got hit by a car last year, jansen turned him into art to be exhibited in a dutch museum. >> since he was already named after a famous aviator, well, it became clear he just needed to fly. >> probably like the scariest things i've ever seen in my life. >> reporter: jansen had orville taxidermied and put on an all tra lightweight casing. gyroscopes and receiver and propeller attached to each paw. what was striking when jansen held the orville copter up to the camera. those eye. >> the eyes are glass. >> sends the wrong message to children, almost looks like an animal is being tortured. >> i think it's his own daned business, it's dead. >> reporter: his brother doesn't know what to make of this.
cats dream of chasing birds, look at tom in the "tom & jerry" cartoons. jansen says orville used to lie on the doormat watching pigeons and now flying with the birds, the greatest goal a cat could ever reach. to peta "it's a macabre way to honor a beloved family member." >> i'm an artist so it's fine by me. >> reporter: but many of the comments online are beyond caddy. that man is not an artist, he is a sadist. dear artist i hope if you get run over they'll make you into a man-o-copter. >> wouldn't that be cool. >> reporter: is he willing to part with his flying pet. >> i think someone would want this. it is for sale. >> reporter: a dutch tv show was shooting the cat-copter in a when its pilot sent it swooping toward some cows, moo versus