tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 6, 2012 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
he volunteered in the army before he finished high in tex. he never had the opportunity to graduate until next week. and decades later he returned to the high school he left so long ago and fulfilled a promise ehe made to himself. we all owe him our eternal gratitude. you ringsed your live and gave your lives all in the name of freedom. ac 360 starts tonight. now the united nations point person on torture, yes, torture is pressing for an investigation. the school is in massachusetts called the judge rotenberg center.
they claim that electric shocks and other forms of what they call aversive therapies are the only way to control some students who are a danger to themselves and others. recently outrage over the school exploded when the public for the first time saw video of a student being repeatedly shocked. his name is andre mccollins. the video showed him being shocked 31 times over an hour. it is difficult to watch. mccollins was 18. he's no longer at this center. his mom pulled him out. his family recently settled a lawsuit against the jrc. those disturbing images also caught the attention of the u.n. central raptor juan mendez. the use of electricity on anyone's body raises the question of whether this is therapeutic or whether it is suffering tantamount to torture in violation of international law. we asked the justice department for an update on the investigation, they told us it's ongoing and they wouldn't comment.
the school says that no one else will take their students and that the electric shocks are better than huge amounts of prescription drugs. to be sure, the school has many supporters. parents who swear their kids are alive because of these shocks. but the national council on disabilities and many other critics said that the electric shocks that are used are contrary to federal policy and at odds with mental health resources. an investigation found that students were being shocked for a wide range of behaviors that weren't by any measure aggressive, destructive or dangerous. for instance, nagging, swearing and, quote, failing to maintain a neat appearance. they were shocked for not being neat enough. recently a former teacher's aide told us pretty much the same thing. >> a kid drinks out of a paper cup and finishes his water and then carries the paper cup. you have to shock the student for tearing that paper cup the same as if they tore something off the wall. it's not necessary. it's being abused. this is torture.
>> these are autistic kids in some cases who can't communicate, can't express what they're feeling. the justice department isn't the only federal agency that's looking into this place. in 2010 the fda withdrew the clearance of the device that they use to shock the students. it's called a ged. what they originally used was much less severe than the one they use. it was souped up to give students a stronger shock. even though the fda pulled their clearance, 9 school still uses it. the fda has been investigating it. if they are, it's taking them more than two years to take action. tom foreman has been investigating. what did they tell you? >> well, anderson, the fda has been very closed-mouth about this. they said the same thing you heard from the justice department. this is an ongoing investigation. they said they're not standing by letting horrible things
happen but they just can't talk about this case. they told us at one point that they would consider coming on to talk to us on camera about at least the general principles involved here. we even went up to their campus on the north side of d.c. to see if they wanted to come out and talk. we exchanged notes with them and everything else, but ultimately they backed off from that. they simply will not come on and talk about the general principles about whether or not this is good or bad even though they admit they are the ones who have to approve these devices. >> what reason do they give for not giving an interview? >> just that notion that it has to be a private matter. this is something that's ongoing. they sort of give a little bit of a wink and a nod to the notion of we are definitely on this, we are definitely moving forward. we can't tell you about it right now. as you know, it's been quite a number of months sings the last kind of any action on this. that begs the question when, if at any time, will they take action. >> it's been almost over two years.
is there any sense of timetable. >> no. none at all. just the sense that they're moving forward with it. they did say at one point you have to give a company time to make the changes that we request. that's a quote there which would suggest that they're in some process of saying you must change this now. change it. the argument being that these people at the center actually manufactured this device so for them to make all the changes and get them properly cleared as the official language is might take a period of time, but there's no sense of time how much we're talking about, whether that will be six more months or six more years. >> the school is standing by publicly their use. they're the only ones we've found in the country, if not in the world, that actually shocks students like this. thanks. >> thank you very much, anderson. one of those vocal critics is massachusetts senator. bly brian joyce. he's tried repeatedly to shut down the center. recently the massachusetts senate passed a bill banning the use of electric shocks on students. its fate in the house is unclear. according to senator joyce, the center has spent millions of
dollars over the last decade on lawyers, lobbyists, powerful friends in the state capital. he also told us that the center has brought students to testify at a past hearing that state lawmakers held and that the students, some of them were actually wearing their electric shock devices while they testified. joyce contends that that testimony could have been coerced by the fear of being shocked. we asked the judge rotenberg center about those claims. in a statement they told us, and i quote, senator joyce is once again making false statements when faced with compelling evidence of the efficacy of aversive procedures. the army of people descending on the massachusetts statehouse that he refers to are not, quote, lobbyists and lawyers, they are dozens of parents of jrc students who visit the statehouse to inform the legislators about how aversive therapy saved their child's life when no other treatment would work. similarly, the statement went on, senator joyce is making false statements about the current and former jrc students who courageously testified at hearings conducted by the massachusetts legislature about their life of pain, anguish and
hopelessness caused by their untreatable behavior disorder and how the jrc treatment program saved their life. senator joyce, the center is saying you're making false statements. they're saying you're lying about the students who testified and about the large number of will beyists and lawyers who you say are involved in keeping this center open. your response. >> well, every single statement that i've made is documented and sourced. the statement that you just read actually came from not the center itself but a very high priced public relations firm. the money they spent on lawyers and lobbyists is actually public information. they spent over $2 million in lobbyists and lawyers last year, over a million dollars in lobbying. over $15 million in lawyers in the past ten years. you know, what other school for disabled children is spending
tens of millions of dollars on lawyers and lobbyists and public relations specialists to defend the indefensible, barbaric treatment of innocent, disabled children. >> doctor, it's always interesting to me when you ask somebody for a statement and they don't respond directly to some of the direct questions. what they didn't respond to in that statement was whether or not their students were wearing electric shock devices while testifying. when you hear the allegations, some of them were wearing these electric devices, does that seem appropriate to you? >> i can't fathom of concept of having electrical devices on kids. they already know what the impact is of these electrical devices. they've already apparently been used on these particular kids. why would they have the electrical devices on them? if it was so effective, you would think they wouldn't need them. the concept of having them on them almost seems like a tortuous process for these kids that's unfathomable. >> the center makes a lot of money.
they're making about $52 million every year by one account that i read. is that taxpayers who are paying for these kids to be shocked? >> it is. it's taxpayer money. an awful lot of taxpayer money from the state of new york and several other states. going back to the statement with respect to wearing the painful electronic device, 2006 the board of regents of the state of new york in their report gave evidence of students actually wearing these electric painful devices while they were being showered and bathed. reports of burning flesh in the hallway. you know, the smell of burning flesh, of having to have so-called ged holidays, ged being the device, that there was so much burning of the skin that they had to stop it for a while while the skin healed. >> dr. krause, the fact that the u.n. point person on torture is now pressing for an investigation, do you describe this as torture? that's not a word that we have used. is that a word that you would use?
>> well, if you look, in 1990 the u.n. passed the convention on the rights of children. article 19 on there talks about tortuous, hurtful, painful behavior to children. for us essentially violating an eighth amendment right of the child. there's a reason why schools don't use corporal punishment. it's against the law. it's child abuse. >> doctor, i'm no expert certainly and i'm sympathetic to the parents i've talked to had support this center and say, look, my child would be dead if it wasn't for this center. my child had behavior that was so hurtful to themselves that they might have taken their own life, banging their head against the wall until they died. the school keeps coming back and says, look, this therapy has saved the lives of children when no other treatment would have worked. what do you say to these parents who say, this may be unusual. this may be the only place that does this but, you know, shocking these kids seems to work in some cases? >> you know, there could be
isolated examples of many different types of treatment appearing to work. the problem is not having peer reviewed research really limits any validity to this. people fall out of airplanes and survive on the rarest of occasions. that doesn't make it safe. this is something that there's a reason why there aren't ear programs using this type of aversive treatment. >> it is interesting, senator joyce, because if somebody proposed, you know, strapping electric devices to prisoners to keep them in line in prisons and shocking them, you know, as often as necessary to control their behavior, there would be a lot of people standing up and saying, well, look, you can't do that to people. and yet this is allowed. how is it that this has continued to go on? because you've been pushing legislation over and over again over the years to ban this practice. >> somehow in 49 other states and, indeed, on every other nation on earth we're able to
treat disabled children increasingly with positive behavioral treatment. the statement you read earlier suggested i had not visited the center. certainly i've visited the center. i've spoken with dozens of parents and i've spoken with dozens of former employees often who are fearful of speaking to me. i was with one former parent on saturday, cheryl mccollins, whose son andre was the poor boy shown in the video in court, tortured for over seven hours while tied to a board with a helmet on. i think his violation was not taking his jacket off in a timely manner. i think it turned out it might not even have been his jacket. it's important, sometimes these children are not even verbal, can't even communicate. cheryl mccollins, that mother said she never, ever, ever would have allowed this to happen to her son had she known, had the center shown her when she dropped her on off are what they do to these poor children. >> she settled out of court with
the center but continues to speak out now to try to close it down. we've had her on the program as well. thank you both. >> thanks to you. raw politics, raw emotion. wisconsin voters decided to keep republican scott walker. he survived the recall votes. now the outcome of the vote didn't sit well with supporters of the democratic opponent, tom barrett. he lost. a barrett volunteer slapped the democratic candidate for conceding before she felt all the votes were in. a lot of discussion today over what happened in wisconsin last night. [ woman on radio, indistinct ] ♪ bum-bum ♪ bum-bum, bum-bum, bum-bum ♪ - ♪ ai, ai, ai - ♪ bum-bum - ♪ bum-bum, bum-bum - ♪ [ ice rattles rhythmically ] ♪ bum-bum, bum-bum, bum-bum ♪ ♪ [ imitates guitar noise ]
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clearly upset. >> every single one of you out there in the nation if you're watching, democracy died tonight. >> very emotional. >> i'm very emotional. we all had a lot invested in this. this was it. if we dent win tonight the end of the usa just happened. this is it. we just got outspent 34 million to $4 million. we don't have any other resource left but the people you see here behind me. if the people you see here mind me can't get it done tonight, it's done. democracy is dead. >> mike wasn't the only barrett supporter certainly fired up. watch this. mr. barrett just after his concession speech last night, an unidentified woman slaps him across the face. that's life in the big city barrett told reporters today. the milwaukee mayor said she thought he conceded defeat with people still at polls. he didn't make it to the podium until after the voting ended. a lot of emotion and raw politics. now let's talk about the money.
for more insight let's talk to chief national correspondent, john king. there's been a lot of analysis today about what happened in wisconsin and its significance, if anything, on the presidential race coming in five months. first let's talk about the money. a huge amount of money spent, a i lot of it from out of the state. >> and a lot of people now asking, anderson, was it a fair fight, was it an even fight? even, no. fair? we'll leave it up to you. the outside money is the big flash point. the numbers, as you know, are staggering. more than $66 million spent heading into just the final days. you can be certain that final number will be above $70 million, perhaps approach $80 million. of the $66 million in spending already reported, about half of the money came from outside wisconsin. now republican groups had a bit of an edge in that spending. about 54% of the outside money went to help governor walker fight the recall vote.
if you look at the candidate versus candidate spending, meaning governor walker versus tom barrett. look at these numbers. walker spent more than $30 million to $4 million for barrett. that's more than seven be to one spending advantage and look at that, more than 60% of governor's walker's contributions came from outside of the state. just 25% of mayor barrett's money came from outside of wisconsin. it's interesting to note, anderson, a lot of that money was spent on voter turnout. that will shape other spending decisions later in the race. of the $66 million that we've been able to track so far, a little more than $20 million was spent on tv ads. nearly 2/3 of the ad spending supported republican walker. half of the tv money was spent in the final five weeks. again, in that period you see lopsided spending in favor of governor walker. a big question is whether that late spending made any difference. 86% of voters who took part of the exit polls said they decided before may. so $12 million spent in the final few weeks to influence the hearts and minds, anderson, of 13% of the recall voters.
>> i want to bring in cnn political contributor alex and he's a senior strategist for priorities usa -- excuse me priorities usa action which is a pro-obama super pac. bill, let's look at money. do you think it did have a big impact? a lot of democrats are saying it did. you look at some exit polls, people made up their minds long before the election. a lot of people didn't like the idea of a recall unless it was for gross misconduct. >> i think there's no doubt that money made a big difference for that small group of voters that john king identified who decided late. i think going into this everyone knew there was going to be a very small universe of voters who were persuadable. when you have that kind of gross spending differential between the democrats and republicans, it's going to make a difference. democrats had an amazing ground game. what we saw here was that was not enough to overcome all of that money that poured into the state and poured into the republican side for scott walker.
>> alex, do you see that, that the democrats were overspent? >> let's look at meg whit man in california. all the money in the world won't win an election when it's not the product that people want to buy. i think we ought to remember that apple computer makes a lot of money not because they make a lot of money but because they're popular. they're doing something people like. i think the people in wisconsin decided, you know what, we'd rather have some fiscal responsibility and an economy that doesn't go bankrupt. besides that, it's not that much money really. $80 million to i think deal president obama a setback here at the beginning of his presidential campaign. having him as president is costing us trillions. this is a deal. >> john, let's look at what the exit polls show us in terms of what was on voter's minds. from my reading, a lot of them did not like the idea of recalling a governor in the middle of a term for something
that wasn't misconduct. >> i think that is a huge part of the dynamic here. stopping the game in midstream and saying let's start it over. no, we elected this guy, let's let him finish his term. we'll figure it out at the end of it. that is part of it. anderson, the voters were evenly divided. restricting collective bargaining rights and other actions against the unions that they found to be punitive. you had an evenly divided electorate. then you add in concerns about the recall. what is interesting to me, i think a troubling lesson for democrats, is that a fair amount, about 1/3 of union households supported governor walker. if this was about union rights at the beginning, the union workers decided to support him. was the money well the spent? is there a better way to spend it. if you look at alex's point, there are important lessons and warning signs for democrats. >> alex, they're saying the democratic ground game was good. they were overspent. do you think it was good? >> i think it was good but this was a test of president obama's philosophy for the coming november election. president obama's lost the
middle. he doesn't think he can get it back. the democratic brand under president obama has become spending. >> wait a minute. a lot of folks who voted even for walker are obama supporters and said they would vote for obama. >> yes, you'll notice obama didn't go into wisconsin. he didn't polarize this race around him. he wisely i think stayed away from it. the obama philosophy for re-election is we've lost the middle. union support, intensify our base. we'll get our base out with such intensity that it will compensate for losing the middle. that's what was tested in wisconsin. it didn't work. it augers some problems for the obama campaign. >> i think that's remarkably overstated, anderson. while i agree maybe message definitely counts, there are factors that also make a huge
difference like who the candidates are, how that all plays, to say this is a big set back for the obama campaign is a little silly since you consider one out of every ten voters was somebody who voted for walker and president obama. i didn't see mitt romney spending a lot of time in the state either. the fact is this was about a pretty parochial set of issues and not about the larger campaign. >> john king -- >> a state where president obama is going to win this fall, i don't think that's in question except for the most hard core partisans who are trying to make a case where there isn't. >> what do the exit polls show? alex said obama lost the middle. >> the democrats lost some of the middle. obama was not on the ballot. there are warning signs for president obama. there are democratic trends that started before the wisconsin recall and that are in evidence. downscale white voters. they are moving more and more to the republicans. older voters are moving more and more to the republicans. the. the president's advantage, latino voters, african-american voters, college educated women,
those are his voters. we'll see how this plays out in wisconsin. i would say wisconsin leading, obama. he did win that exit poll. that doesn't mean last night was not proof that he has to work a lot harder than maybe he thought he was going to have to work two or three weeks ago. >> john, appreciate it. alex, bill, thank you very much. former president bill clinton was the big name to campaign. tomorrow in "the situation room" you'll find out what he thinks about the impact on the re-election vote. i want to get you up to date on the trial of former penn state coach jerry sandusky. the judge has officially seated the jury. we'll have more in a moment. the letter sandusky allegedly wrote to some of the victims. we'll tell you what we know and what the defense is saying live [ male announcer ] this is corporate caterers, miami, florida.
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from the courthouse. up close tonight, the death of number two man in al qaeda killed by a cia drone strike. i'm joined by henry crumpton. he led the cia in the assault of al qaeda in the days and weeks after 9/11. that's up next. the best day ♪ ♪ it was the best day ♪ 'cause of you we make a great pair. huh? progressive and the great outdoors! we make a great pair. right, totally. that's what i was thinking. all kinds of vehicles, all kinds of savings. multi-policy discounts from progressive. call or click today.
crime and punishment. the jury is now seated in the jerry sandusky trial. it took both sides two days to select the seven women five men and four alternates. from a pool of hundreds of potential jurors. it's now their job to decide whether the former penn state assistant football coach is guilty of a string of child sex abuse charges. half the jurors who have made the cut have some sort of ties to the university. the jurors have a big job ahead obviously. the judge said the trial will likely last three weeks. it's all set to begin on monday. jurors will need to listen to some pretty tough testimony from dozens of witnesses. the prosecutors are expected to call one of sandusky's accusers as their first witness and ask him about alleged love letters he received from the coach. jason carroll is live from the courthouse. jason, what do we know about the letters? they've been described as love letters. what does the defense say?
bell on the -- >> reporter: well, the defense is going to have an interesting perspective on this. i spoke to a source before the gag order was put into place specifically asking about these letters, and the defense, i'm told, is going to argue that these are not love letters, anderson, that these are letters of encouragement that jerry sandusky wrote to students, wrote to football players over the years, also wrote to those who participated in second mile, that charity that he founded for young men who are in trouble. and the source also tells me that what jerry basically will do and did over the past was give gifts of encouragement to encourage these young men to get good grades, to go to school. and if you remember, back in november i actually spoke to joe amendola. that is his defense attorney. about this very same subject. i want you to hear what he has to say back then about these gifts and letters. >> what we're saying is jerry
cared about a lot of kids and there are hundreds of other kids who jerry took to events and to whom he provided gifts. what we're saying is that was jerry. >> reporter: and what obviously we're going to have to hear from, anderson, is the jury itself. jerry will have to make obviously the determination in terms of whether or not they believe and how they would interpret these letters that will eventually be introduced into evidence. >> jason, some of the alleged victims wanted to testify without being identified. the judge ruled that that wouldn't happen. why? >> reporter: well, you know, from judge cleveland's point of view, he basically felt he wanted this process to be as open and transparent as possible and didn't feel he could do that with these accusers concealing their identity. obviously this is a major disappointment to prosecution, some of those in the prosecution, and to some of the attorneys who are privately
representing these accusers. i spoke to an attorney who's representing the accuser identified in the grand jury report as accuser number five, and you have to remember that some of these accusers are coming forward reluctantly. they've buried a lot of this pain according to what he's saying. it's embarrassing to have to talk about a lot of these things. this is part of the reason why they wanted their identities concealed. that will not happen. the judge did say he had hoped the media at least would protect and conceal the identity of these accusers. >> and how does sandusky seem in all of this? what's his appearance like? >> reporter: well, you know, at one point jerry sandusky by joe amendola was described as being a big kid. i think some would say we saw a little part of that in court today. he likes to joke around. at one point during the jury proceeding he basically said, quote, what did you guys do to deserve me? he turned around and said that to two of the jury pool reporters there. then he said to two of the reporters, quote, how did you guys get stuck with this?
so a little bit of joking there, but i should point out as he left the courthouse today when people were shouting out questions to him, he said absolutely nothing. he got in his car with joe amendola and drove away. >> we'll continue to cover this throughout the course of the trial. let's check in with isha. >> a major raid in puerto rico. they arrested dozens of drug traffickers. the dea is targeting two smuggling rings. one involves corrupt airline employees allegedly. the other is a gang sneaking drugs through the airport to the u.s. russia and china are speaking out. they're criticizing those on the u.n. security council for promoting regime change. they want moscow to put allies on them and bashar al-assad. there he is a shootout between the military tanks and
opposition snipers. they report that 71 people were killed across the country today. the shuttle enterprise has made its final voyage by barge up the hudson river. a crane lifted the decommissioned shuttle onto the deck of its permanent new home. the "u.s.s. intrepid" museum. >> ray bradbury has died. he wrote 50 books and hundreds of short stories. he predicted the invention of the atm. some of his more famous works include "fahrenheit 451 " and "something wicked this way comes." he was 91. >> thank you very much. al qaeda's number two is dead. what does that mean for the future of al qaeda and the threat for the united states.
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up close tonight, the death of al qaeda's number two guy abu yahya al libi was killed in a u.s. drone strike in pakistan. this is a serious blow to the terrorist group. he made many appearances on the jihadist website. now analysts say the only leader al qaeda has left is the man who took the helm after osama bin laden was killed last year. joining me is henry crumpton. he ran the agency's afghanistan campaign right after 9/11. he's the author of the book, "the art of intelligence." thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >> how big a deal is this? >> it's a big deal. he's an important leader. not just a number two, but really the chief operating officer of al qaeda, particularly in south asia. it's an important strike.
>> the number of drone strikes under the obama administration has gone up hugely compared to what it was in the previous administration. how effective do you think it is? obviously there's controversy about civilians' death, but in terms of striking fear into al qaeda and decimating al qaeda, how effective? >> very effective. in the last four days you've had three strikes in pakistan, all very effective. very precise weapon. it's imperfect, but overall very precise, very effective, and driven importantly by intelligence. each time you have a successful strike it's also about a successful intelligence operation. >> in terms of what al qaeda is actually capable of now, the al qaeda that committed 9/11, i heard a quote from peter bergren, he said he thought that al qaeda was pretty much out of business. do you agree with that? >> i wouldn't say they're out of business yet. they're severely degraded, crippled, they may not recover. if you see the emergence of leaders in al qaeda just because you've taken out most of them doesn't mean a new one will come
up. yemen i'm worried about, even in northern somalia. >> in northern mali there's two groups arguing over the form of islamist rule they want to have. do either of these satellite groups or ideological groups of al qaeda central, do any of them have -- we've seen attacks coming out of yemen. is yemen able to launch foreign attacks? are they the ground zero for this? >> it's not one center of gravity geographically when you look at the world, and that makes it a challenge from an intelligence perspective and operationally. yemen poses any risk more than any other, but it's very variable. it can be somolia next week, it can be -- i hope not, but it could be northern nigeria at some point. >> how concerned are you about, you know, we saw somali's --
kids of somali people who grew up in the united states, the first suicide bomber was an american somali. how concerned are you about this happening in the united states from one of these gone groups? >> well, i am concerned of course. the fort hood massacre where 13 people died in 2009. that was a singleton operative inspired by al qaeda's theology. it could happen again and i think at some point it will. the number of attempted attacks on new york city alone in the last decade, maybe about ten that have been thwarted or failed. >> what about syria? we've reported on this a lot. obviously the syrian regime has been claiming al qaeda involvement in this from 15 months ago when the demonstrations started. there was no sign back then but now there are indications of jihadists moving in on what was probably a revolution to begin with. >> any time you have political
instability, al qaeda will seek to take advantage of it, like they did in iraq, like they did in somalia, like they may be doing in northern mali. it's an issue. it's not about nation states and the balance of power, i know there's some serious diplomatic efforts regarding syria, but more likely than not it's about the people and the diffusion of power among these actors. so it's a very complicated issue in terms of how we dealing with it, how would he approach it. >> can a group operating in yes, ma'am min or nigeria, can they access funds in the way that bin laden could apparently? >> well, certainly not ten years ago where you had a strong flow of cash to al qaeda central. that's been degraded through a very robust, vigorous international cooperation led by u.s. treasury department. they've done a good job.
so i think the cash has been reduced, but it doesn't take a lot of money to launch some of these attacks. >> what concerns you most? i don't know if that's too dumb or broad a question. >> it's a good question. weapons of mass destruction in some form. al qaeda said this was an objection, it was an obligation. we know in '01 when we captured and uncovered the anthrax laboratories al qaeda had near kandahar, all it takes is one really smart scientist with one pathogen and you've got a real problem. >> we also saw over the last couple of years kind of a -- i don't know if it's really a new tactic, a small group. we started in mumbai. a couple of attacks against the indian embassy. small groups of half a dozen guys armed with ak-47s and grenades, able to -- the guys took over two hotels in mumbai were able to bring that city to a complete stop for several days. that was only a handful of guys.
is that a concern? >> sure. it could happen now. we know that bin laden wanted another 9/11. he wanted to hit an iconic target and have great strategic impact. with new leaders and affiliates, they may try a mumbai attack here in the u.s. >> i look forward to reading the book "the art of intelligence." >> thanks for having me. after two weeks from having arrested the alleged killer of etan patz the police search the residents. here's one you may not have thought of: fidelity. now you don't have to go to a bank to get the things you want from a bank. like no-fee atms -- all over the world. free checkwriting and mobile deposits. now, depositing a check is as easy as taking a picture. free online bill payments. a highly acclaimed credit card with 2% cash back into your fidelity account. open a fidelity cash management account today and discover another reason serious investors are choosing fidelity.
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a lot more with happening tonight. let's check in with isha. anderson, new york city police searching the home of the man who allegedly killed etan patz. they're looking for evidence in the 1979 murder. this comes as hernandez's wife warned his confession is unreliable because he suffers from mental illness. lawyers for bradley manning have asked a military judge to drop ten of the 22 charges against him. he's accused of leaking thousands of documents. the charges are too broad and say prosecutors are using them to criminalize speech. the dow jumping 287 points and the s&p rose 30. it's the biggest jump for both so far this year. and the japanese government confirming a dog found on an oregon beach was washed away during the tsunami last march.
officials said the package with japanese writing in portland. radiation tests on the dog came back negative. today is the anniversary of the landing of d day. our thoughts are with all of those who are still alive who were there on those beaches on that day and also their survivors as well. it's incredible when you think about just the number of people that landed on the beaches that day, the effect it had on the war. i keep envisions that moment when those landing craft -- when the doors went down and you had to run out onto the beach. it was an extraordinary accomplishment. >> yeah, it really was. 68 years have gone by. it was incredible to me doing the reading on it, they still don't know how many ally soldiers died that day.'
we know the impact it made on world war ii. >> eisenhower said the tide has turned. the free men of the world are marching towards victory. we will accept nothing less. that is what those great young men accomplished and we remember them tonight. tonight's shot. a lot of times when they shoot commerce alls the best scenes are the ones that end up on the cutting room floor. i saw this. pine sol company released the outtakes of their spokeswoman showing off cleaners. >> your cleaner. have you seen this? >> oh, my god. >> yeah, baby. >> our pine-sol, baby. [ bleep ]. >> woman right there on the wall. >> pine-sol, baby. are you all right? >> that is fantastic. >> yeah. >> [ bleep ]. >> these people will never clean again. >> oh, my god. >> i love it. very funny. yeah. that is our shot tonight. pretty good. >> i absolutely love that. absolutely love it.
and let me tell you, mr. cooper, i am going to raise you on this. let me show you these pictures. a russian base jumper has set a new world jump record. with the leap off of a mountain in the indian part of the himalayas. >> wow. that is incredible. there was a piece on ""60 minutes"" about these people and it was the most incredible thing. steve kroft said it was so well shot and produced and done. it's amazing what they do. one of them actually crashed off cape town recently. there's amazing video of that. he luckily survived. >> thankfully he survived it. >> isha, thanks. the ridiculist is next. the president of the united states gets plenty of requests for acts of clemency. usually something more serious than an actress was asking for clemency about, although it's a
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time now for the ridiculist. tonight, we're adding someone named amanda bynes. if you don't know who she is, join the club. she was on nickelodeon and then on "hair spray." some other movies that you probably never heard of. ms. bynes which rhymes with fines, was arrested for almost driving under the influence and side sweeping a police car. that is her mug shot.
her attorney entered a plea of not guilty. we're not making light of the charges against her, it's serious stuff and according to "people" magazine she's had a string of driving instances. the reason she's on the rediculist, like any sensible celebrity, she's taken to twitter to defend herself. whom did she tweet, whom do you think she thinks should be foe cushioning on her situation? focusing on her situation? none other than the president of the united states. hey, barack obama wrote the star of she's the man and charlotte's web 2, i don't drive. please fire the cop who arrested me. i don't hit and run. the end. the end. much like the end to her acting career. didn't i mention that back in 2010 bynes tweeted she was retiring from acting and then deleted her twitter account, only to reactivate it to say she was making a triumphant return to show business. because of that she's making rediculist history tonight. allow me to present the very
first the ridiculist spinoff. things more important than amanda bynes' tweets. basically anything is more important than her tweets, right? sure. but i want you to be clear on the bar that we have set. for example, we learned today miley cyrus is getting married to liam hemsworth. on an ordinary day, her engagement would be the standard celebrity news item, but compared to amanda bynes tweet it's like, watergate, the moon landing and the oscars rolled all into one. how do the others stack up? how about kanye west? they might be random. at least he's not treating the president to get him out of a jam. he's not only focused on actors and musicians, you know what else is more important than this amanda bynes tweet? this squirrel on water skis.