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breaking news hosni mubarak is near death. there are conflicting reports about the exact conditions he is in right now. we had first need he had dieds but they said it's not true. it's been a wild day in cairo so there's no telling when that might happen. earlier today, look at how many people filled the square. there's no telling when that might happen. earlier today, look at how many people filled tahrir square. opponents of the military regime now seemingly in control of the country. we'll talk about how the military is taking control shortly. also surprise testimony in the jerry sandusky sex abuse trial. his wife takes the stand. also a friend of his, a woman who's known him for years and says he's a saint. we'll actually talk to her. we've got tough questions for her to answer. we begin tonight with raw politics. president obama heading home tonight from the g-20 summit in mexico. it dealt largely with europe's economic meltdown. also the crisis in syria, china and russia's role in it.
where the economy is concerned, this summit could have a serious impact on jobs. here's some of what the president said tonight about the economy, about syria and politically from the romney campaign. >> markets around the world have been asking if europe is ready to do what is necessary to hold the eurozone together. european leaders here in cabos have made it clear that they understand the stakes and pledge to take the actions needed to address this crisis and restore confidence, stability and growth. let me just be a little more specific. first our friends in europe clearly grasp the seriousness of the situation and are moving forward with a heightened sense of urgency. i welcome the important steps that they have already taken to promote growth, financial stability and fiscal responsibility. there's no doubt that russia, which historically has had a relationship with syria as well as china, which is generally
wary of commenting on what it considers to be the internal affairs of other countries, are and have been more resistant to applying the kind of pressure that's necessary to achieve that political transition. we had a very candid conversation. i wouldn't suggest that at this point the united states and the rest of the international community are aligned with russia and china in their positions. but i do think they recognize the grave dangers of all-out civil war. i do not think they condone the massacres that we've witnessed. and i think they believe that everybody would be better served if syria had a mechanism for
ceasing the violence and creating a legitimate government. i would point out that we have one president at a time and one administration at a time. and i think traditionally, the notion has been that america's political differences end at the water's edge. i'd also suggest that he may not be familiar with what our suggestions to the germans have been. and i think sometimes back home, there's a desire to superimpose whatever ideological arguments are taking place back home on to a very complicated situation. >> some of president obama's comments tonight in mexico. more now on the raw politics with our panel. republican strategist and veteran of many summits, many more news conferences ari
fleischer. also paul paul begala. foreign affairs correspondent jill dougherty and ali velshi and john king joining us. >> republicans in this country want a piece of the austerity pie. they want to cut spending and lower taxes. democrats want to increase spending or keep spending high. possibly a stimulus. and raise taxes. both sides are wrong. the deficit hawks need to leave the discussion right now. those who think this is the time to raise taxes need to step outside the debate. it is very clear, it is abundantly clear austerity, pullbacks are not working across europe. at the same time we need a plan so we don't have an endless debt haul. you're going to get a disagreement from ari. aside that we share a barber, one of the things we agree on
are g-20s and g-8s and summits like this are generally speaking and lack originality. i was hoping for a show of unity. you didn't get that with russia and china regarding syria. you didn't get it with europe with respect to dealing with their problems. so in the end this g-20 didn't give us what we needed. you'll see a reaction of that probably around the world tomorrow. >> ari, what did you hear on the money front? >> well, i think when you look at europe there really is no solution in sight. it doesn't come down to what the g-20 decides, it comes to whether or not greece will be able to pay back its loans. and if they will renegotiate the terms that they previously made loans by. and i think it's going to end in bankruptcy for greece. so when the president said today progress was made, let me be specific, they know what they need to do, i don't know that anybody knows what they need to do because i don't think they know. in terms of what ali is saying, i think the real issue in washington is can they take any
short-term steps that don't damage the weak economy while still keeping their eye on the long-term ball which is we're a nation that's so fundamentally, deeply in debt if we don't tackle the debt issue we will become like greece and some of the european nations. we have a $16 trillion debt right now. over the next ten years, it's projected to go up to 25 trillion. we can't afford that. >> we can afford it because we have 1.5% interest rates. nobody in the world can borrow money as cheaply as the united states can. >> paul, how much of a concern for you, events in the eurozone completely beyond the u.s. control may have an impact on the campaign here? >> it's an enormous concern to anybody watching the election. i bet the romney campaign is just as nervous. they don't want to say this. if america goes into a recovery, if europe somehow pulls back and america really starts to grow, that's the end of the campaign for mitt romney as well. so both sides actually have a whole lot of their fate out of their hands. and i think that mr. romney has
got a real challenge. ali pointed it out. he likes to go on the campaign trail and say barack obama wants to emulate the capitals of europe. he's got a point when they do crazy things like provide health care. but now it is the europeans in dublin, in london, in berlin who have imposed austerity and forced their recovering economies back into recession. austerity has failed in europe. it's going to fail in america. we've lost #600,000 public sector workers, teachers, cops and firefighters even as the private sector has had a little bit of growth. i think mitt romney has the wrong side of it when he goes out and says we don't need more teachers, cops and firefighters as he did a week or two ago. >> john, for you, what came out of tonight if anything? >> well, politicians learn from the last election. i would say in the last election i'm not disagreeing with my friend ali velshi's economic advice. if you look at the wisconsin recall, the governor who imposed austerity got reelected. two cities in california voted
to rein in public employees' pensions. the voters are backing less spending and more austerity at the moment. what you saw today is both sides of the incumbency coin. sometimes being an incumbent is great. the president had a news conference. cable networks all took it live. ffs the rose garden strategy translated to los cabos, mexico. you can drive the debate and get a lot of attention when you're in incumbent president in any challenge. the flip side of the incumbency coin is you have to deal with current events. as paul just noted, both on syria and on the economy, there are things happening around the world that the president of the united states cannot control. the european crisis, even if they get it perfect, is going to take months. syria, china and russia, they control the keys to the gate right now. any stronger national response, they won't open that gate. the president of the united states shas now less than 140 days to election. he can't control the biggest global security challenge and the biggest challenge of all
number one, the economy. >> hold on. let me just finish off on syria. jill, on syria, clearly it seems like there's no movement and certainly no agreement between russia and the united states here. >> no question. i think it was a pretty honest assessment by president obama that china and russia simply are not onboard. one of the issues, you look at this, listen to what putin is saying. he's saying nobody outside can define who stays as president and who goes. so what putin's answer is, let the people of syria decide. but the problem is, the people of syria are involved in a civil war. so right now, you have that disagreement between obama and putin on a crucial issue. putin has no love loss for assad either. >> their government is giving weapons to the assad regime. the idea the russians are taking a hands off policy is just factually incorrect. we've got to leave it there.
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welcome back. as we said there's also breaking news in egypt tonight. big news. conflicting reports right now about ousted president hosni mubarak who was given a life sentence. a state news agency reports that the 82-year-old dictator is on life support after having a stroke and being declared clinically dead. mubarak's lawyer says he's in a coma and the military says mubarak's condition is critical but he's still alive. confusion comes at a very volatile time. a look at tahrir square tonight. thousands of egyptians turned out what they call a coup. earlier tens of thousands were there. the military rulers issued a constitutional decree yesterday, giving themselves sweeping powers, stripping the presidency of its powers.
joining me is ben wedeman. also chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. ben, what's the latest right now on mubarak's health? what do we know? >> reporter: actually, we don't know very much. we've got two different narratives, one coming from the official middle east news agency several hours ago saying that president -- former president mubarak was, quote, unquote, clinically te clinically dead. his lawyer says he's in a coma. his health has deteriorated. he had to be resuscitated several times. he insists that he's not dead. now, we are awaiting -- we've been waiting for quite some time for a statement to come out of the supreme council of the armed forces. which will hopefully clarify the situation. but this is just one point of lack of clarity that we have. we have two presidential nominees or candidates who both insist they won in the recent elections. we have a parliament that's been
dissolved but insists that it's still sitting. so these mubarak reports are just one tip of the iceberg of confusion that seems to be floating in the nile right now. anderson? >> i want to talk about that more. sanjay, from a medical standpoint, mubarak's lawyer sayisay ing he's not dead, he's had water in the lungs for ten days, his blood pressure is down and that obstructed his breathing and that forces his doctors to put him on a respirator, does that make any sense to you? >> well, he's obviously an elderly person who has a history of heart disease and cancer. the water on the lungs typically, they probably are referring to pneumonia that has progressed, may have even gotten into his bloodstream. when that happens, someone's blood pressure can fall and fall precipitously, quickly. and that can lead to heart
problems becoming even worse. so that part of it makes sense. i think the confusion, and this is a confusing thing even within hospitals here in the states, you know, clinically dead, i think what they're referring to, what the person meant to say was brain death. someone's heart can still be functioning but their brain is no longer. and brain death versus coma, i think now, reading through all these reports, anderson, is the distinction. it's irreversible. it's not something someone's going to recover from. whereas a coma someone could possibly recover from that. so that's just piecing together all these various and sometimes conflicting reports. >> so does it matter whether mubarak lives and dies in the next day or so in terms of what happens in egypt now? what's really going on there? >> i think that's the absolutely important and very unsentimental question. what the hell does it matter? you have an 84-year-old man in a
country where life expeck tansy is in the mid-60s. he's ruled for 37 years. he's dead, he's not dead, i'm reminded of the remark that arabs make they say is he dead and buried or just dead. i think the whole saga of mubarak is a side show of a side show. and mubarak and the remnants of the regime around him have been very clever. what they've done is they have basically put out these stories about the health of this ruler and they have done their best to move this man from prison where he was sent right after his trial when he was sentenced to life in prison, and they've returned him to a hospital. this is really what the game is about as far as i can see. >> so in terms of what's the back story to the presidential election, what the military has ton done, has there been a coup? >> i think there is some element of truth in this. you have this presidential
election. you ended up because of the peculiar nature of the way the votes were cast, you end up with a man from the old regime, you end up with mubarak's last prime minister, shafiq. then you end up with a man from the muslim brotherhood. each one of them is claiming victory. but i think to the extent that the numbers could be trusted from egypt, it would appear that mursi has won. that the candidate of the muslim brotherhood has won. and whoever is president will come into a kind of hollowed out presidency. because the supreme council of the armed forces has asserted -- what's interesting about egypt today, anderson, is the fact that no one really is stepping forward with a keen desire to rule. the army doesn't want to rule because they know the country is in deep distress. the muslim brotherhood doesn't really want fully to rule. so you have this chaos that follows more than 60 years of totalitarian dictatorship.
>> ben, you live there. not just reporting from there. you live there. what do you see happening? i mean, is there now a showdown between the muslim brotherhood and the military? what does the next week hold? >> reporter: well, certainly what we saw today was thousands, tens of thousands, of muslim brotherhood supporters and others flocking to tahrir square to protest what they see as this coup d'etat. the muslim brotherhood probably wants to push this a little bit further to put more pressure on the supreme council of the armed forces. but what they clearly don't want is a direct confrontation, because obviously the military far outguns the brotherhood. and when push comes to shove most egyptians or many egyptians probably would support the military against the brotherhood, which is an organization that has sort of 25% to 30% of the population solidly behind it.
but that leaves at least 70%, far from solid, behind it. they're probably pushing for concessions from the military, but not ready for a showdown. anderson? >> we'll continue follow it closely. thank you. back home crucial testimony today in the jerry sandusky child rape trial. his lawyer still will not say whether sandusky himself is going to take the stand. his wife dottie sandusky did testify today and what she said she saw and heard when young boys spent the night at their house. we'll have that when we continue.
it's about half contained at this point. meteorologist chad myers has an update now. >> it was a crazy day with winds today, not because they were so gusty, but because they changed direction. for most of the morning the area under concern there was in a southwest flow before you got to this cold front which turned the winds to the north. all of the a sudden firefighters think they're fighting a fire going one way. an hour later winds shift and the fire is coming back at them. those are the most dangerous conditions you can get out there when you get weather like this with wind shifts because of a cold front or warm front or really for any reason for that matter. almost 60,000 acres burn ed. 189 homes destroyed. half contained, 50% contained. that's what it looks like sometimes. i know if you're on the east coast or west coast you may not be able to really picture this. an ireport, this is an amazing shot of what sunset looked like there. it's getting better.
but not fast enough. i know we're talking about colorado. this is going to be a long season for fires. because the entire southwestern part of the country is in a drought. somewhere between a regular drought and an extreme drought. and fires are going to continue all summer long. this could be a very bad fire season. anderson? >> thanks very much. isha is here with the 360 bulletin. >> word tonight that about 300 united nations monitors will stay in syria for now. that's in spite of stopping their work due to the violence there. an opposition group says at least 31 people were killed today. a texas grand jury refused to indict a father who killed a man he allegedly found sexually abusing his young daughter. the incident happened earlier this month in the smalltown of shyna. the southern baptist convention elected its first black president. he'll preside over the 16 million organization.
triple crown winner secretariat has set another record. the fastest time ever for the preakness stakes. yes. 39 years later. after viewing the video of the 1973 race, the maryland racing commission unanimously agreed that evidence shows secretariat's preakness time was faster than originally recorded. the new official time is 1 minute, 53 seconds. two seconds quicker than originally recorded. anderson? >> isha, thanks. jerry sandusky's wife took the stand in the sex abuse trial. so did another staunch defender. a woman we'll talk to just ahead. meineke's personal pricing on brakes.
alleged victims gave last week in the child rape trial. former penn state assistant football coach is charged, as you know, with sexually abusing ten boys over a 15-year period. today, his lawyers questioned the techniques of police investigators who interviewed the accusers. they also called a psychologist to the stand along with a slew of character witnesses, friends and former colleagues of sandusky. crucial testimony also came from sandusky's wife of more than 40 years, dottie. jason carroll was in the courtroom today. he joins me now. jason, the most anticipated defense witness besides jerry has no doubt been dottie sandusky. she took the stand. she said she never saw any inappropriate contact between her husband and those young boy, correct? that is correct. basically, she also contradicted specifically the testimony of two of the accusers, number four and number nine. number four you'll remember, says jerry sandusky took him to the alamo bowl in 1999 and tried to sexually assault him in a hotel room when dottie sort of walked in and said what's going
on. she says according to her she did walk in and say what's going on. she said both men were clothed, anderson. she also said she said what's going on because jerry sandusky was angry because this young boy refused to go to a luncheon, an expensive luncheon that they had paid for. with relation to number nine, accuser number nine, he was the one who testified he had said he'd been down in the basement of jerry sandusky's home and had screamed repeatedly for help. dottie was asked about that by joe amendola, defense attorney, who said, quote, if something happened in your basement, could you hear it? she answered, i think so, yes. then he asked, did you ever hear someone yelling for help while he was staying there? her answer, no. she also said, anderson, that her husband had no inappropriate contact with any young boys. >> what did we hear from experts about this histrionic personality disorder? the defense is saying -- explains some of those letters that he wrote to one of the
accusers. >> right. we're hearing a lot more about this histrionic personality disorder. basically this is a disorder according to some of the doctors who testified. it's basically a disorder where you have to be the center of attention. you cannot be on the sidelines. when that happens, you act in inappropriate ways. some of the things they brought up, you have to have attention, approval, respect, admiration and intimacy. basically, the prosecution, you know, doctor got up there and basically said there's no way jerry sandusky could not be the center of attention. throughout his entire career, he was an assistant football coach. how then could he suffer from this disorder? so you could see both sides sort of going back and forth on this issue throughout the court proceeding. >> dueling experts. jason carroll, appreciate it. one of the witnesses called by the defense today was a woman named joyce porter. she's a close friend of jerry and dottie sandusky. she says she's known them for 40 years and believes without question jerry sandusky is
innocent. i talked to her earlier. joyce, you've called jerry sandusky a saint. why are you so convinced that he's innocent? >> i've known him for 40 years. i think he's a wonderful man. he's been very good to people in my family. i've had one son with downs syndrome who jerry and dottie would take for dinner, take out of town for football games. i've had another son that went to his football camp. he's written him where he's had some troubles in life. jerry's a wonderful man. >> there's at least ten alleged victims right now. ten accusers of sandusky's sexual abuse. eight of whom have testified in the trial. do you believe they're all lying? >> well, i believe in jerry and i believe in the thousands of lives he's already touched who have been bettered by his relationship with them. and when you count thousands, plus knowing him for 40 years. >> so why do you think these
eight have testified? >> you know, you'd have to ask them. >> but, i mean, you must think that they're not telling the truth? >> yes, i must think that. >> do you believe they're in it for money? there have been -- the defense attorney has indicated that, you know, maybe that they're in it for some sort of financial s settle moment down the road. >> well, i think they come from poor backgrounds. i think money would be a big motivator for them. most of them have already gotten attorneys who aren't charging them anything. >> there's also eyewitness testimony from mike mcqueary, another coach who says he saw jerry sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in the locker room shower at night. and mcqueary, as far as i can tell, has nothing to gain monetarily from coming forward. in fact, he's been placed on administration leave from the coaching job at penn state since all this happened. why do you think he's testified that? >> well, his testimony has been different to different people.
and i think that he didn't say it was -- he's changed his story on whether it was really sexual or who knew what it was. and as far as i know, he's on pay because he was a whistle blower. and now he's suing penn state, so he's out to make even more money. >> what mike mcqueary says he saw, though, he heard rhythmic slapping and he saw jerry sandusky naked in the shower with this little boy, standing behind him late at night in a shower. is there any explanation for -- in your mind, why jerry sandusky would be naked showering with a little boy and soaped up with a little boy? >> i think a lot of guys are working out. they were playing basketball. then they go take a shower. where is this little boy that mike mcqueary supposedly saw? why hasn't he come forward?
if there's even a witness to say this happened? >> so you see no possible reasons why somebody doesn't come forward and talk about sexual abuse that occurred to them as a child? >> i don't know. >> you say people take showers with each other all the time. i mean, i was on a team in college. i've talked to many coaches. i've never heard of coaches showering with little boys, let alone players on their team. but little boys late at night in a coach's shower. >> well, you weren't here for court yesterday when two coaches said, yes, they take showers with boys. and you go to the ymca. i go in a locker room after swimming. there's all ages of women naked in the locker room there taking showers, so what's the difference? >> a grown man soaping up a little boy late at night alone in a shower. that doesn't seem unusual? >> no. he was like a father figure to a lot of these kids. you know, he'd help them take a shower.
who knows how old this boy was? >> well, do you think a 12-year-old, a 13-year-old, you think they need help taking showers? >> well, mike mcqueary said he was anywhere from 8 to 12. so he could have been 8. >> well, that's joyce porter who testified today and stands by jerry sandusky no matter what, as you will -- as you hear. you'll hear more of my interview with joyce porter tomorrow night on 360. closing arguments in the trial could begin as early as thursday. the defense expects to rest its case tomorrow. joining me now is former los angeles deputy district attorney marcia clark. also mark geragos. mark, how important is somebody like joyce porter? she only saw him a couple of times each year. last time we talked about building blocks to reasonable doubt, and what's what the defense is trying to present.
is that just her purpose? >> absolutely her purpose and i think she demonstrates exactly what the defense wants to show here. look, here's somebody who has known him for 40 years, who comes from that community, who thinks he does great work. she basically, no matter what you asked her, she wasn't having any of it. and that's exactly what the defense is hoping that she resonates with one of the jurors. >> marcia, do you think she resonates with jurors? >> i doubt it. te to tell you the truth, i think the jurors are going to be aware of the fact that she's anything but a neutral witness. she's very biassed. she's very much in sandusky's camp, who feels beholden to him. great grateful to him for helping take care of her son. if any of the jurors who are paying attention are probably wondering what happened with her son that she's not aware of. >> what kind of impact do you think his wife, dottie sandusky, had on the stand today.
>> everybody i've read at least on the accounts so far have kind of down played, said it wasn't that strong of a witness or wasn't that memorable of a witness. i think they miss exactly what the defense was doing. the defense was laying out basically timeline things, things that she was there, she didn't hear anything, nobody said anything. she made certain comments about certain of the complaining witnesses that i think are going to be woven into the closing argument. i think she was a significant witness. i think you're going to hear about her and the discrepancy she's pointing out in the prosecution case by proxy, so to speak, in the closing argument. >> in your experience, is it common that victims victims of their stories? >> absolutely. anderson, this happens all the time, especially with child molest victims. they usually start out by not wanting to admit anything. they admit the very least amount they can stand to admit because
it's difficult for them to confront what they've been through and to admit to themselves what they've been through. i think therapy is necessary to help them understand it's not their fault. it has nothing to do with them. they have to get over that in order to give the final statement that has all of the details in it and that takes some time. yes, that does create inconsistent statements as you go forward. no, it does not show anything bad about their credibility at all. >> mark, that's a sympathetic way of looking at it. the defense will just say, look, they're changing their stories and that might bring up some credibility issues. >> well, yeah. marcia argues this like the good prosecutor that she is. the only problem is the jury is going to be instructed that you look at those inconsistencies. if they're on material points, points that matter, then the jury is instructed that they can disregard the testimony. so she can kind of poopoo the inconsistencie inconsistencies. but when they're on major points, and in a lot of cases they are, the jury is going to
get the law. they're instructed they took and oath and to follow the law. the law is you can disregard in its entirety the witnesses' testimony. so i am not so sanguine as marcia is that this is going to be such a slam dunk for the prosecution. i just think there's some very troubling things about this case and the way it's come out. >> it has to be a witness who willfully falls in a material part of the testimony in order for the jury instruction to allow them to dismiss their testimony entirely and i'm not seeing that kind of willfully false material misstatement by any of these witnesses. >> when a witness says before nothing happened or a witness says it happened on such and such a date and they know it couldn't have happened on that date, it doesn't get much more material or willful. >> oh, i disagree. i disagree. i disagree. a young boy 12 years old doesn't remember exactly what date he was sodomized? i think i understand why he might have trouble remembering that. i don't think that would cause a
rational jury to reject the testimony, no. >> somebody is talking about when you're interviewed before and you said nothing happened and now you're interviewed again and you say something happened, that is material. that is willful. >> that can be material, you know what, but looking at the way these witnesses -- >> it is material. it's the definition of material. >> these witnesses were fraumtized, mark. these witnesses were traumatized. it's, of course, going to be up to the jury to evaluate their demeanor. >> your whole argument, all the way the prism through which you look at this says they were traumatized. you assume that it happened. >> i don't assume it happened. i don't assume anything. i listened to the witness's testimony. >> one at a time. let mark finish. >> that's all. >> marcia, if they're traumatized, you're assuming it happened. other than the fact they may be traumatized by having to testify. but if you're saying they are traumatized, you assume it happened. jurors are not instructed to assume that it happened. >> no. >> jurors are instructed to
presume innocence. so don't mislead the public as to what the standard is. >> obviously mark. >> for the jurors. >> i would never mislead the public. obviously they're not required to assume anything. they're required not to assume. and i've never said otherwise. they are required however to listen to the testimony and determine whether or not the truth of the charges has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. and in doing that, they look at a witness's demeanor. it's not just the words they say, it's also how they say them. a jury can sit there and watch a little child say or a young man say i was a child, i was afraid to say, i didn't want to say, i didn't want to admit, but then finally i realized i had to tell the truth. and they can look at that and say that to me is not a material inconsistency or a willfully false statement. >> thank you, both. former rutgers university student dharun ravi is out of prison. we'll tell you why he got an early release, coming up. ground) things have been a little strange. (sfx: sound of piano smashing)
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a lot more happening tonight. isha is here with the 360 bull ten. >> wikileaks founder julian assange is at the ecuadorian embassy in london seeking asylum. he's fighting extradition to sweden for questioning in a sex abuse case. he's been under house arrest in britain for a year and a half. dharun ravi is out of prison tonight. the former rutgers university student convicted of spying on and intimidating his gay roommate served 20 days of a 30 day sentence. the early release was granted for good behavior and work credit. his former roommate, tyler
clementi, killed himself by jumping off new york's george washington bridge. michael phelps could be seeking a new record at the summer olympics. he's participating in ten races at the olympic trials next week in nebraska. if he qualifies for all of them, he may take home ten medals this summer. phelps earned eight gold medals at the 2008 beijing games. ten medals. >> wow. >> incredible. >> that would be amazing. isha, thanks. time for the shot. mr. rogers -- i don't know if you've seen this, isha. mr. rogers went viral in a new video. it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood for an auto tune remix of his own garden of your mind message with a new beat. i love this. take a look at this. >> cassette player with a little cassette in here. there's nothing written on it. we'll just have to play it to see what it is. ♪ do you ever imagine, are they scary things ♪ ♪ things you'd like to have, did
you ever see a cat's eyes in the dark and wonder what they were ♪ >> i love this. i've watched this so many times. i think it's a good tune. the mash up tribute was requested by pbs digital studios. it's really well done. >> before i say this and people send me hate mail, i don't get this. it just sounds a little creepy to me. i'm just throwing it out there. >> what? >> i'm just throwing -- i know -- i know folks in america -- i'm sure i've committed some kind of carnal faux pas. it's a little creepy. >> do you know who mr. rogers is? >> yes, i have been schooled by many an individual. it's creepy. >> are you calling mr. rogers creepy? >> i wouldn't go that far. >> are you daring to say that? are you going to go that far? >> i don't want to be inundated with hate mail. i'm not going all the way. i'm taking it back a bit. >> you're saying the autotuning
of him is creepy. >> just a little bit. >> you watch -- what you say right now may just determine the course of your career. so what was that? >> nothing. just a little creepy. good night. >> you cannot say anything against mr. rogers. mr. rogers, i love that auto tune. i think it's actually really a cool -- kinld of a cool -- you should listen to the whole thing. >> you thought it was a cool jam. give me a break. >> what do you have in england? what do you have in britain? ms. whimsy and the teacup control. >> we had wessel gummage. he was a scare crow who used to take his head off. he could change his head. >> you and piers morgan. you can go now. weszle gumman is on the telly.
>> it's weszle gummage. why don't people understand me in this country? >> it's what? >> wesle gummage. i give up. >> you're just digging yourself deeper. yeah. isha, thank you. coming up, if you're on the fence about whether to go vegan or not, something happened today that will definitely convince you. the ridiculous is next. >> announcer: meet mary. she loves to shop online with her debit card, and so does bill, an identity thief who stole mary's identity, took over her bank accounts and stole her hard-earned money. now meet jack. after 40 years, he finally saved enough to enjoy retirement. angie, the waitress at jack's favorite diner, is also enjoying his retirement. with just a little information, she's opened up a credit line,
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isn't a vegan. like many people i've resisted veganism mostly because i'm waiting for technology to progress to the point they create the vegan version of the big mac. there are good reasons to be vegans. health, longevity. if you were looking for a sherpa to help you scale the mountain veganism, these were your go-to celebrities until today. because now a celebrity voice has joined the vegan chorus that's impossible to ignore. out of the refrain, rising like a siren song from that celebrity voice, we can no longer pretend we don't have all the information we need to pull the vegan trigger. ladies and gentlemen, i give you mike tyson. >> you're a vegan? >> yeah. >> what changed you? >> well, i need -- whew. i threw up the white flag. too many prison cells, too many
jails, too many lawsuits, too many bankruptciebankruptcies, w venereal diseases. too many everything. >> you're a little confused. the reason why spike lee was sitting next to mike tyson is because he's directing his one-man show on broadway this summer. which i actually really want to see. that's what confused you about the whole thing, right? the part about too many venereal diseases, that's probably clear as a bell. more of mike tyson's reasons for going vegan. >> i really got tired, you know, every time my prostitute girlfriend came back from a trip and i had to sleep with her, i am going to live a different life. >> wait a minute. >> you've made a conscious choice -- >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i was a prostitute hunter. >> i can't pretend i totally follow the logic there. but i don't really want to be on the bad side of a former heavyweight boxing champion. the truth h