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the verdict is in. jerry sandusky, guilty. >> jerry rose. i saw tears in his eyes. >> this morning, reaction to the verdict and new details about the jurors who convicted this one-time hometown hero. also ahead this morning, the big weight. for some, the big worry. what will the supreme court decide about obama care and how will it affect you? we are looking at all the angles ahead of the pivotal ruling. ♪ >> yes, we went there. bill santiago hits the streets of new york to talk and sing. what else? ♪ obama care good morning, everyone. i'm randi kaye. it is 7:00 on the east coast.
4:00 a.m. on the west. thanks for waking up with us. you are probably waking up to the news jerry sandusky was found guilty late last night. he was guilty on 45 of 48 counts related to sexual abuse of young boys. sandusky was taken into custody, handcuffed and taken away. let's give you a sense of what went on after the verdict. listen to this. >> guilty? >> yes. [ cheers and applause ] >> as the guilty verdict started to be read one after another, jerry sandusky looked straight ahead. he remained absolutely without emotion. >> we knew whatever the verdict was, we had to honor it. jerry rose. i saw tears in his eyes. he's always honored the court process and been a law-abiding person in the community except for these allegations.
>> dottie sandusky. this is her leaving, being hugged by well wishers. there are people who have been standing by the sandusky family. she is now walking off. her testimony, clearly not swaying jurors as the defense hoped. >> the very first calls i made this evening were to the two clients i represent that did testify in the trial. they were greatly relieved. almost in disbelief, i think. one of them said thank god he's in jail. the other one expressed sentiments that it was a long time coming. >> we have always felt that jerry's would come from a center county jury. we still believe that. the jury believed the commonwealth evidence, the commonwealth witnesses. it's clear from the verdict. i have been asked inside, is
that a surprise? no, it was the expected outcome because of the overwhelming amount of evidence against jerry sandusky. >> one of the recurrent themes of the witness' testimony, which came from the voices of the victim's themselves in this case was, who would believe a kid? the answer to that question is, we, here in pennsylvania would believe a kid. our goal here has always been to bring about a fair and a just result in this case. that goal has been accomplished with the jury's verdict today. we believe that justice has been served. >> pretty powerful moments happening late last night. joining me now is susan candiotti in pennsylvania for us this morning. good morning, susan. we heard the cheers outside the courtroom when the verdict was read. take us inside the courtroom. what was the reaction there?
>> well, you heard a little bit of it. as you heard the cheers outside, it was much more subdued there. jerry sandusky appeared absolutely stunned. one of his lawyers, as you heard, described he saw tears in his eyes. at least one juror was crying. his children were crying. his wife dottie appeared to keep blinking, blinking back tears. there was one victim in the courtroom. he was emotional as well. this is the mother of victim number six. she said i thought i would be happy. there's no joy. we all lost. so, a lot of emotion all around. >> what about his sentencing? he's in jail now. he's going to be sentenced soon, right? >> reporter: that's right. probably won't happen until september. his attorney said he's already
going to start working on an appeal. jerry sandusky is no longer smiling like we saw him day in and day out during the nine day trial. his mug shot has been released. he will be in protective custody in that jail. he was immediately his bail was revoked. that is where he will stay. he may never see daylight again because of the most serious counts carry a maximum of 20 years. he is 68 years old. he may never be out again. there are so many other remaining questions. surrounding penn state university and whether they did all they could have done going back a decade when one of the first allegations came forward. it's no longer an allegation, there was a conviction on at least that charge as well. >> sandusky was acquitted on three charges. why is that? what exactly was that about?
>> reporter: well, one of those involved a felony conviction that surrounded the testimony of a witness, mike mcqueary, a graduate assistant who describes seeing a sexual attack in the shower. the jury did convict but on a lesser charge. it's a clear indication the jurors must have gone over each and every count. clearly, they believe the young men who testified, the victims in this case. they had no trouble basing -- getting a guilty verdict on the janitor who talked to another janitor. there was here say but they believed that story where they described hearing and seeing another sexual attack in a shower. >> thank you very much for your reporting this morning. jerry sandusky's attorney says the verdict was surprising. joining me now is holly hughes. he said he wasn't surprised.
there was a mountain of evidence. he said it was like climbing mt. everest. anything surprise you? >> what surprises me is he's out there saying we have all these appealable issues and all this stuff went wrong. he's turning around and acknowledging there was an overwhelming, i believe was the word he used, an overwhelming amount of evidence against my client. he's talking outside both sides of his mouth. say we respect the jury and the hard work they did. thank you, good night. it's at odds with what he's saying. >> what do you think of the fact it took the jury just 21 hours? >> let's talk about that. 48 charges, 21 charges. less than half an hour a charge. it tells me from day one, they believed the victims. there wasn't a lot to talk about. >> right. it would have taken longer. >> they weren't talking dna
evidence. we didn't have that. we had these victims who a lot of, remember, didn't come forward on their own. the police knocked on their doors ten years after the fact and said hey, you know, did this happen to you? did this embarrassing, horrible, traumatic thing happen? by the way, will you come into a public courtroom and tell the world about it? the bravery of those young men. let me tell you something, the jury saw it and saw it instantly. they didn't take a lot of time for each charge. >> now we have sandusky facing 440 years in prison. >> yes. >> his attorney is saying he'll appeal. is it worth it? >> well, of course it's worth it at this point in time. why not shoot for the moon? it's kind of like, sandusky is one of those predators, a defendant he knows you have him dead to rights. he's going to make you walk him
into that jailhouse. he's not walking in on his own or rolling over saying you convicted me, you got me. you jump through the hoops, you do the work. they will definitely appeal. number one, i don't think it's going to be successful. number two, it doesn't matter what's happening. no judge in the world is going to give him a bond while the appeal is pending you are back out on the street. >> there could be civil cases, the survivors can still bring cases against the university, sandusky? >> i anticipate we'll see a lot if they fall within the statute of limitations. again, was there immediate outcry. if the statute is still open and still good, yes, i think we'll see civil cases and a lot of policy change. it's one of the things not everybody is discussing, yet. universities and institutions
and employers across the country have to take a step back and say wow. maybe we need to change what we are doing here. >> if there's good that can come out, that might be it. holly hughes, thank you very much. >> thanks. in philadelphia, prosecutors are calling the verdict historic. for the first time, prosecutors brought charges against church leaders by covering up abuse by a priest. he was found guilty on a charge of child endangerment. the attorney calls it misjustice. he faces up to seven years in prison. two major fires burning out west. in utah, 9,000 people forced from their homes in salt lake city. someone target shooting near the dry grass possibly started the fire. in colorado, a massive wildfire jumped a river. it destroyed 200 homes so far. we are watching tensions
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it's not a dream. america's natural gas... putting us in control of our energy future, now. welcome back, everyone. glad you are with us. the supreme court is on the verge of a decision on health care in america. within the next week, the justices will rule on obama care. it's the health care reform known as affordable care act. the court will let the law stand, parts of it stand or strike it down. we are focusing on it this morning. robert shapiro is joining us now. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> do you think they have finished their opinion at this point? >> at this point, i think the decisions are written. maybe fine tuning are the footnotes they like to write,
attacking the decisions of others. at this point, i think that's all that's left. >> which justices do you think we should be focusing on? >> you look at justice kennedy, a swing vote. there's thought that chief justice roberts would show leadership here and this important opinion of the court. >> do they go with the majority? how often does that happen? >> well, i think in an important case like this, the chief justice will often decide he wants to be the leader of the court, to direct the court and write the opinion. of course it's his decision who writes the opinion. in a case like this, the chief often likes to be the author. >> you are a constitutional law profess professor. which way do you think it's going to end up between the oral arguments and this? >> it's hard to predict. after the arguments, the consensus was it looks like the court was ready to strike down the law. the court hasn't struck down this major piece of policy in
oh, 70 years, something like that. >> what exactly, though, there's so much to go through if you look at the material. what do they base their opinion on? >> the lynch pen of this law is individual mandate. the requirement that most americans will have to buy insurance or pay a fee by 20146789 the question is, where does the federal government get the power to tell people they have to buy insurance. there are cases that suggest as part of regulating the economy, congress can do that. congress hasn't done something like this before. there's the issue of the expansion of medicaid. half of the coverage of uninsured people come through expanding medicaid, the program for the poor. the question is whether congress can force the states to add all those people to their budgets. >> how much impact do you think the arguments had on this? >> i think it's the briefs and the facts. it's interesting to see how the
advocates do at answering the tough questions. at the end of the day, i think it's the briefs that make the important decision here. >> robert shapiro, thank you so much. nice to see you. >> my pleasure. we have just scratched the surface so far. the common misconceptions and myths about the health care law coming up at 8:15 eastern time. usually, it's the most beautiful who wins the pageant. not in this contest. beauty has gone to the dogs. thanks for babysitting the kids, brittany.
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let's check stories cross country. in washington state, a 30-year-old cold case was solved with the help of a made for tv lifetime movie. sandra major went missing in 1982. she was killed by the green river serial killer. police had the bones, but never knew who they belonged to. when her family saw the movie, they sent dna samples to the police. >> you can't investigate a case if you don't know who the victim is. it's huge for the families and the investigators that spent a lot of time over the years trying to figure out who the girls were. >> he pleaded guilty to killing 49 women. three victims have not been identified. in california, the world's ugliest dog has been crowned.
there he is, mugley. a chinese crested won 1,000 bucks and a year of doggie treats. he's not so ugly. he came from britain. they critique dogs based on their natural ugliness. in florida, people got a too close look at black bears. the bears were not at the zoo. >> reporter: call it a waltz or a fight. >> you are not going to believe it. there's two big bears out there fighting. i'm like, what? of course we get up, run out. >> reporter: by the time she got outside, much of it was over. her neighbor has this footage. he shipped it to wildlife officials who say it's something rarely seen. they are not sure what to make of it. a couple younger males may have
been working to establish territory. >> they were on their hind legs scratching. there was blood. they were mean to each other. they were fighting and pawing. >> reporter: you can't have two adult bears dancing like that. look at the huge paw prints in this flower bed. this bush was twice as big. it was torn up when they got done with it. tammy snell likes having the wildlife around. >> we like to see them. we are going to keep our space from them. we are not going to go here, have a cookie, but we love to see them. >> reporter: it rolled over an air conditioner and went away. >> they start looking at me like you want some of this. i'm like okay, i'm getting in the door. >> reporter: no harm, no foul. the bears took off. not in a dead run. just moving along. neighborhood history caught on video. >> so much for having to go to the zoo. looking for a loan from the
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difficult after 15 banks were downgraded. in order for you to borrow money, they need to pay off some of what they owe. let's welcome russell pearlman to the show this morning. good morning, russell. >> good morning. >> a lot of folks are watching the downgrade and wondering, is this the sign of another recession? what do you think? >> this is more of a sign that moody's, the credit rating agency and several other folks who watch the bank really missed how risky the banks were in the financial crisis. they are playing catch up. you can see the problems in europe. a lot of people are wondering how tight are the banks to the crisis in europe and still trying to figure out how much do they owe from our own housing crisis. they are telling investors, look, if you are going to be investors, be aware we are not
quite sure how safe the institutions are. now, from a consumer perspective, this is not going to have this much impact on you. if you have deposits at jp morgan or citigroup or bank of america, you are fine. the federal government ensures $250,000 of your deposits per bank. in the remote chance they go belly up, your assets and deposits are fine. >> nobody should start moving their bank accounts around, is that what you are saying? >> there's no need to panic. if you want to be safe and have more than $250,000 at one bank, split it up. have 250 rks$250,000 per bank. citigroup is notches away from what's called junk status.
is this a breaking point for them? >> it's not as much of a breaking point for, again, for consumers. it's a black eye. it's a reputation, smack in the face to them. but, from a realistic perspective, interest rates are so low right now. it's pretty easy for them to go out and borrow money and become slightly more expensive at this point. with the federal reserve setting interest rates at 0%, this type of downgrade only increases the borrowing costs a small amount. >> there's a lot of talk this week about something called operation twist. can you give us your perspective on that? explain it in simple terms? >> sometimes operation twist sounds like a dance move or something shady. >> the feds are dancing with it. >> this is kind of the -- this is the nickname that folks have given the federal reserves program where they are selling
the short term bonds that they own and buying long term bonds. it's the effort to keep short term interest rates low so it will encourage banks and other institutions to loan money out to anyone who wants a mortgage, who wants a small business loan, a home equity line of credit to spur the economy. there are not that many bullets left in the fed's weaponry arsenal. they have lowered interest rates to essentially zero now. this is a way to keep them lou. it's their last efforts to help spur the economy along. it's up to congress and the white house to make any more kind of stimlative actions for the economy. >> russell pearlman, thank you very much. >> thank you. 21 hours to convict jerry sandusky, a pennsylvania jury found him