tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN June 27, 2012 4:00pm-5:00pm PDT
don't just watch television tonight. play it. >> a little trivia here. apple founder steve jobs worked for atari in the '70s. jobs liked the simplicity of the technology, something he took with him to apple. play pong? >> i did play pong. >> we'll see you back here tomorrow night. erin burnett "outfront" starts erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com the individual mandate. will it stay or will it go? it doesn't matter because the bill doesn't address the real problem with health care in this country. then, love your ipad? google offers up a rival today. they say it's cheaper with more features. does it add up? he says congress wasn't mature enough to handle the budget issue. what's he going to do about it? we ask him. become mckeon chairman of the armed services committee, "outfront."
good evening everyone. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, the health care fight that doesn't add up. love it or loathe it. the individual mandate, the heart of president obama's signature domestic achievement is in jeopardy tonight. republicans are already circling the wagons. >> we made it pretty clear and i'll make it clear one more time. if the court does not strike down the entire law, the house will move to repeal what's left of it. >> there are three things to know about the bill tonight. as we count down to the supreme court's biggest decision of the year. first this, only one in ten americans would even be required to get health insurance under the president's mandate. yes, you heard me right. the mandate is wildly unpopular but it doesn't require anything from a lot of us. most americans already have insurance and another 22 to 24 million americans will be exempt from the mandate because they
don't earn enough money to file income taxes or they're in prison or they're members of certain religious groups. second, if the mandate is struck down, but the rest of the bill is upheld by the court including those popular items like not discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions and helping keep kids on their parents' insurance, premiums won't necessarily surge the way some have predicted. a rand study says they'd only go up by 2.4% more with an individual mandate than without one. and that brings me to the third and by far the most important thing that americans need to know about this bill. it's a big problem. if the whole bill goes into effect, average premiums will still go up for americans by an estimated 7% according to rand. with no bill at all, premiums went up by 9% last year. you may be shocked. you're like, these are about the same number. they are.
they're going up by more than inflation, many multiples of inflation, more than your salary increase if you even get one. the reason is that neither republicans or democrats ever have dealt with the biggest problem in the country which is that surging medical costs don't come with surging life spans or healthier americans. the average american, we spend about $8,000 per person in this country on health care. that's the most of any country in the world. for that, you would think if it were so great, we would live the longest. we don't. we live to an average of 78.2 years, 27th in the world. it comes after countries like greece and spain. "outfront" dr. toeb bip cosgrove, ceo of the cleveland clinic, and ron williams former ceo of aetna who was a vocal supporter of the affordable care act and now is against the mandate. dr. cosgrove, i know there are
pluses and minuses to this bill. when it came to dealing with the surging cost issue yourks gave it an f. >> i'm very concerned about the law because we're adding 32 million more people to be covered and it's going to dlooif up cost of care. what we really need to do is do things to reduce the cost of care. we need a more efficient health care delivery system with hospitals collaborating and doctors collaborating with hospitals. and we need to reduce the burden of disease. we can't allow the epidemic of obesity to go on in this country. it's now accounting for 10% of the health care costs and expected to go to 20%. we need to begin to deal with those two things and they're underway right now. >> they're under way separate. this bill isn't something that comes in and deals with the fact that obesity drives so much of the health care costs in this country. >> no. in fact, we're beginning to deal with all these issues about having a more efficient health care delivery system. you're seeing hospitals begin to come together in systems.
you're seeing doctors become employed and all of these give us a more coordinated system. we've taken a tremendous amount of cost out of the health care delivery system already and it's more coordinated. we need to do even more. >> ron williams, what's your biggest disappointment with this bill. this big signature moment and yet it doesn't deal with the biggest problem in this country, the surging costs. >> i think the biggest thing i'm really disappointed in is we weren't able to achieve a bipartisan coalition to really do something important to all americans which smaking certain we get everyone covered. i think we started out trying to focus on how we increase access, how we improve quality and how we reduce the rate of increase in cost. what we really created principally focused mostly on the access problem which is a very important problem if you don't have health insurance. >> right. but obviously didn't deal with the cost. ron, you were the guy that a lot of people hated. i'll be honest. you're an insurance guy.
you're well aware of that. not the most loved in america. neither are we in the news industry. if you have to cover all these people, you need an individual mandate. you were for it. now you're not. why? >> i think i want to be very clear that i've always been a supporter of the mandate as part of a companion type of approach where you offer insurance to all comers, anyone who needs insurance can get it from their health plan. but the only way that works is if everyone is, in fact, required to have insurance. i think my objection to the particular legislation as passed really is simply an opinion that i believe the supreme court will not uphold this particular approach. i think the approach in massachusetts worked well there. it was something the citizens in that state were comfortable with. i'm not against the mandate in general. i don't think the particular legislation that really did not present the mandate as a tax but presented it under the commerce clause in my opinion, is what will not be upheld.
>> dr. cosgrove, let me ask you a question about this issue of the mandate. one thing that stood out, only one in ten would be affected by it, 22 to 24 million americans will be exempt from it. it's hardly a mandate. >> what we're going to see, i think a couple things. first of all, i think we'll see more charity care if the mandate is ruled unconstitutional. the second thing i think we'll see is i think states will step in and begin to have their own mandates. i like like massachusetts does currently and i know they're already talking about that in california and several other states around the nation. >> one thing, dr. cosgrove, if you could address costs, people say, look, if people are overweight, they should pay more in insurance premiums. that becomes a regressive tax. if you would say there's one thing you could do right now to deal with the fact that we pay more per person than any country in the world and our life expectancy is 27th in the world, what would it be? >> i think the one thing we can
probably do is begin to address the national collaboration among facilities and the second thing is to begin to have major push and discussion across the country about keeping yourself well. i think that's been left out of the discussion altogether. >> thanks very much to both of you, ron williams, toby cosgrove, appreciate your time. that ruling will come tomorrow on the individual mandate and the rest of the health care bill from the supreme court. still "outfront," what does the nra have to do with the contempt hearings for eric holder? everything, everything. this is a theory of epic proportions and democrats are involved. later a black police chief is fired in a texas town. does it add up? she might be days away from going home. after winning seemingly insurmountable battle with a flesh eating virus, her factor and sister come "outfront." with the spark cash card from capital one,
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our second story "outfront," a theory of conspiracy from the nra, as opposed to a conspiracy theory. this is truly a theory of conspiracy. the pro gun lobby says it will closely watch the house vote on whether to hold attorney general eric holder in contempt of congress. after holder failed to turn over
documents related to the government's botched fast and furious gun trafficking operation. why is the nra so passionately and intimately involved in this? the organization claims fast and furious began as part of an anti gun agenda. there have been theories out there that the obama administration set this up and sold these guns to drug runners because they thought something bad would happen. then it would look bad and it would look bad for guns and you could get gun control. theories like that. they'll consider tomorrow's vote when dolling out their letter graesds for congress. so far at least four democrats signaled they'll vote with republicans. cnn contributor roland martin and republican strategist hole land gibly. 31 democrats last year signed a letter to president obama expressing concern about the administration's response to fast and furious. of those 31, 29 have received donations from the nr i mean i
don't want to draw conclusions where it would be unwarranted or anything. >> oh, but you can. the bottom line is the nra is an extremely powerful organization and they basically have threatened members of congress here. you can call it that when they say we're going to score this and use this when it comes to our evaluations of who we support and give money to. trust me, those democrats -- you have a lot of blue dog democrats, conservative democrats, they do not want to have to feel the rath of the nra when it comes to television ads over the next four or five months. we might as well go ahead and just say it. >> hogan, why is the nra getting involved, this conspire see of theories, this theory of conspiracies is a little bizarre. >> roland, let's be honest. maybe the nra is very popular among that constituency.
that's the first thing. but the nra does need to tread lightly here. this is a serious issue. it's about eric holder in my opinion and it's about whether he was truthful to congress or not. a border agent of the united states lost their live, hundreds of mexicans as well. for people like us this eric holder trial or contempt hearing is going to be very important. we all watch it. we all care what's going on. for middle america who is really not paying attention the week before the 4th of july, the nra stepping into this thing might be the only way it's relevant. >> kyle, what do you think about that? is the nra going to be what makes this eric holder story matter for more people. i don't know about that too much. the nra moving this into the political category by scoring it, it's certainly something that, as polarized as this environment is and even as interest groups are polarized,
there's opportunity for democrats to sustain the nra endorsement. it's a very important endorsement for a lot of rural democrats and conservative to moderate. when they actually get it, i think it's really important to them to really hold on to it. why this is really important is when it gets scored, it's something that they're going to have to deal with politically pretty much right away. >> roland? >> the nra can't stand this president, don't like this attorney general and they despise the atf. we can go all the way back to waco and the branch davidian compound. look how they have effectively blocked a real leader to lead the atf. they attacked him at every moment. the nra does not want there to be a fed rath agency when it comes to dealing with the issue of guns in this country. that's who they are. so it's no shock they are involved in this case because they want to bring this ag down.
like you said, these crazy conspiracy thee reese, put them with the 9/11 troothers and birthers as total crack pots. >> some of these theories i've heard are truly absurd. >> right. look, there are so many things roland touched on me there for me to respond to. >> what about the specific issue of some of these theories, the obama administration actually did this whole operation hoping one day it would cause a problem for guns and they could use that to get to gun control. i could think of a heck of aa lot better ways to get to gun control. >> the nra needs to tread lightly here. the bottom line is right, the nra doesn't like this president. if you're liberal, you don't like the nra. it was a shrewd move to connect the dots if they're connected like i said before. i don't think middle america is paying attention to this trial absent a smoking gun. >> pun intended.
>> they sure will be if the nra has something to say about it. >> hogan, say it, say it. this theory is crazy. go ahead and admit it. >> i don't know if the theory is crazy or not. >> come on, hogan. >> they're putting it out here and making this thing relevant for november. no, they don't like this president. that's pretty obvious. >> kyle, what do you think about the three democrats on who got donations from the nra but didn't sign that letter to the president about fast and furious. how important will losing the nra support be? do you think they'll lose it? >> i couldn't tell you if they'll lose it or not. that's the definition of walking a fine live when you're talking about conservative to moderate democrats and how they deal with this nra endorsement. it's something that they want desperately, but also a really big problem if their opponent, if they're running in a moderate to conservative district, their opponent is probably primed and really ready to take that nra endorsement and tout it really
well. they want to keep it but also make sure they're maintaining their ties certainly with president obama and the democrats in general. >> a tough choice for them. thanks to all three. we appreciate it. next, google's quest to rule the world, making inroads to the ipad. and inventing a device that looks a little bit like a death star. fired from his chief as police chief in jasper, texas, an african-american police chief asks does it add up. an old man shared some fish stories... ♪ oooh, my turn. ♪ she was in paris, but we talked for hours... everyone else buzzed about the band. there's a wireless mind inside all of us. so, where to next? ♪
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our third story "outfront," jasper, texas. it's a city that's no stranger to racial tension. it made headlines in the 1998 death of james bird junior who was dragged behind a pickup truck by three white men. that was 14 years ago. now racial tensions are again at an all-time high. the first black police chief of jasper, rodney pearson, was elected in early 2011 by a majority black city council. then last week he was fired by a newly elected city council with a white majority. deborah feyerick is out front. >> reporter: jasper, texas, is a sleepy town with temperatures well over 100 degrees in summer. it's not the heat that defines jasper so much as a crime that happened 14 years ago. >> when they tied him to the truck, as they came along here, he was going from side to side -- >> reporter: as texas's first black trooper, rodney pearson
found the body of james bird junior, dragged to death by three white men. >> his head and shoulder caught this culvert and snapped it completely off his body. >> reporter: not long ago pearson became first black police chief, but his term ended after no more than a year. >> i make a motion that mr. pearson be terminated as police chief. >> reporter: he was fired in 2011, four black council members voted for him. the one white member didn't. 16 months later he was fired by a different city council, majority white. the vote also 4-1. >> i was fired over race. and now i feel that me and my family are marked. >> reporter: what seemed like a simple hire, has turned jasper upside down, reopening past wounds, pitting blacks against whites. >> our local radio station, kjas, they've made me a huge target. >> reporter: who owns that station? >> the mayor.
>> reporter: mayor michael loud backed someone else for the job. >> when you looked at the nine finalists where did rodney pearson fall in terms of that scoring system? >> i think he was well down below, pretty close to the bottom of the list. they just wanted their pearson in there. >> reporter: pearson says his credentials were identical if not better than past jasper police chiefs. comments on the facebook page contain racial slurs. >> from day one to the day he was fired, he's had a target on his back. >> reporter: for those against pearson, the only way to get rid of him was to get rid of the four black city council members who voted to hire him, a group of all white residents calling themselves concerned citizens launched a petition drive, accusing them of misconduct. >> were you incompetent? >> we make a positive decision for the city of jasper and find ourself recalled. >> how far apart are people? >> i think we're probably back at that same stage that we were
at during the james bird time. >> so that rift is back? >> absolutely. the town is divided. >> deb is with me. i know since you literally filed that story moments ago, you've learned something new. what is it? >> reporter: erin, as we were on this story for out frovnt, we learned the city's insurance carrier actually canceled coverage for its public officials, that's liability coverage for things like discrimination issues, civil rights matters. there's expected to be a meeth. right now all those public officials come september 1 have no personal coverage, erin. >> that's incredible. what is the mood in the town, just in general people's reaction to this? >> reporter: you know, it is so interesting, because so many people that we speak to, black and white said they were so up good friends with the mayor, they went for coffee with him, went on his airplane, they had a drink with him all the time. the black council members said they were very close to him. there's a deep sense of
betrayal, why this happened, why the move seems to be coming out of the ray station. a real fear of retaliation. some people saying forget it, we don't want to be in this piece, too much at stake, we have kids, grandkids. there's a real sense. even the police chief's wife, she was fired just three weeks ago without cause, and when asked her employer, the reason they would give her, it was because of low morale in the office. nothing pertaining to her record. "outfront," chairman buck mckeon says why huge lay-offs paid by a defense contractor aren't part of politics. seven wildfires torching the western front of the united states in the past few moments and the fbi involved tonight. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint
we start the second half of our show with stories we care about, where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines. a surprising toxicology report in the gruesome case of cannibalism in florida. the report shows that marijuana was the only drug found in rudy eugene's body. he is the man who was shot and killed by police as he chewed off the face of another man. the attack was caught on a security camera, had raised speculation that eugene may have been high on a drug called bath salts. today's report ruled that out and also ruled out alcohol and prescription drugs. the victim ronald poppo is
recovering. the reason for the act is still unknown. stockton, california, will have the dubious distinction of being the largest city in the country to declare bankruptcy. city officials say the $26 million budget deficit comes from the real estate market which was devastated. retirees had 100% of their medical bills paid for for life. that was too good to be true. because of the bankruptcy filing, in four days the city will not pay a single current for their medical care. joe rose, an attorney who represents two of the city unions told "outfront" that that breaks a promise the city made with workers to pay those benefits in return for reduced wage increases. the problem is when there's no money, it doesn't matter who made a mistake. president obama had a private lunch today at the white house with abu dhabi's crown prince mohammed ben said. it's the world's third largest oil exporter and that man sits
on 10% of the world's oil. i'm told the president and crowned prince talked about syria, egypt and iran. secretary of state hillary clinton is on the eve of hitting 100, countries that is. she is ahead of me. she will be the first secretary of state to hit triple digits when she lands in latvia tomorrow, making her the most traveled secretary in u.s. history. she's traveled 833,194 miles, not enough to pass condoleezza rice who logged more than one million 59,000 miles but secretary clinton has six months to go to get the difference. i'd be waiting with great excitement until i get to 100. i'm still at 76. it's been 328 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? good news today, the third positive housing report we've gotten this week. pending home sales rose to their highest level in two years.
now our fourth story "outfront," kicking the can. congressman become mckeon the chairman of the house armed services committee is mad about the $1.2 trillion in automatic spending cuts barreling at our economy like an 18-wheeler at full tilt on the turnpike. half of the cuts will come from the defense budget. we've been eagerly awaiting talking to the chairman ever since last week he said this, why don't we just sit down now and say, look, we're not mature enough, we're not adult enough to solve this, so girng to just kick the can down the road. earlier today i spoke with congressman mckeon, his first television interview since that comment. i asked exactly what he meant by that statement. >> my position is the same as in my speeches and in my votes. i think we should address the issue right now. that is the point i was trying to make. >> you're saying -- you were say that in frustration, not that you wanted to kick the can down
the road, but you're so darn sick of everybody not working together, so that's how it's going to be, gosh darn it, do it. >> that's -- my position is it should have been done earlier and it should be done today, not let's wait because i met with these industry leaders. it met with one today. and their attorneys are explaining the law to them. the warren act says they're going to have to notify their employees 60 to 90 days before a potential lay-off. >> right. >> and the chairman of lockheed told me they're going to have to probably in january layoff 10% of their employees. they have 126,000 employees. we're looking at, if this full sequestration kicks in, we're looking at, on top of the 487 billion we've already cut, another $60 billion, we'll be losing about a million and a half jobs.
>> let me ask you about that. it sounds like a lot of money. devil's advocate for a moment. it's over ten years. it's about $100 billion a year. lockheed really needs to lay off 12,600 people on january 1st? do you get the feeling that some of these cuts don't make sense, but some headlines like that would require pink slips to go out right before the election might be more political than anything else? >> the reason he even brought this up is they went to the director of omb to get some guidance from the government. the director of omb says don't pay any attention to this, it's not going to happen, don't worry about it. that's some direction to our government, don't pay attention to our law. the law says on january 1st, sequestration kicks in. they were looking for some guidance. they said what should we do? stick your head in the sand, forget about it, don't pay any attention to it. well, their attorneys say you can't do that. >> so let me ask you about how we're in that position.
we're in this position because there was a deal struck after the debt ceiling last summer by speaker boehner. that deal was, look, we're going to find cuts. if we don't find cuts, we'll do these $1.2 trillion in automatic cuts, designed to be awful for democrats and republicans and cause a lot of lay-offs. but putting that scary bogeyman out there, the super committee will find cuts. they abysmally failed in doing that. here is what you had to say about john boehner and that vote recently. speaker john boehner came and met with our committee and assured us last summer that sequestration was so bad, it was planned to be so bad that it couldn't possibly ever happen. with that, most of the members of the armed services committee did vote for it, including you. >> yes. >> are you angry about that? do you regret it? do you feel misled? >> i'm frustrated because we were under the belief that it would not happen, and i think that there's still a lot of people like the director of omb
tells these industry leaders don't pay any attention to it. it's not going to happen. what i'm saying is it is happening now. they are already making business decisions based on this. that can't wait till january 1st to decide what to do and then let their people know. they have to plan ahead. and they can't take the position that the government is telling them to take. the law is the law. it kicks in january 1st, and it's going to be very destructive. >> all right, chairman mckeon, thank you for taking the time. we appreciate it. see you soon. >> thanks for having me. thank you very much, erin. we have breaking news right now. the fbi telling cnn that the agency is investigating whether criminal activity is to blame for any of the seven wildfires burning across colorado. the most closely watched is just outside colorado springs. 36,000 people have now been evacuated. a thousand firefighters are on the front lines trying to hold it back from the more populated areas of that city.
president obama plans to tour the devastation on friday. tonight cnn eefs jim spell man is out front in colorado springs. the breaking news the fbi is looking into whether there was arson or something else involved in this. but this is, as the fires -- i know you've been out looking at, the weather is making it worse tonight, right? >> reporter: it is. this is really crunch time during the day, erin, when the winds can pick up and really start to drive this fire. this time last night is when everything changed in this fire. the winds changed direction, 65-mile-per-hour gusts, sending it over two fire lines and into populated areas where it began burning homes. right now it's not too bad. you can see a smoky haze across the whole city. an hour and a half ago you could barely make out these trees on the other side of the road. it's so dynamic this time of day. fueled additionally now by summer storms that came in last night and again this evening, they have the potential to come in to start doing the same thing to the winds. what that does is, the winds are blowing one way and that's the
way the firefighters are working, and then suddenly they're blowing in another direction. embers blowing from the fire can start new fires and everything can get out of hand quickly. they're hoping that doesn't happen again tonight. we've entered the period of time when that's a distinct possibility. >> tell me what you know about this fbi investigation. is this something they would do in any case or is it your understanding they have something specific to lead them to think that perhaps arson was involved? >> reporter: it's pretty unusual. i was in contact with the fbi in denver when they told me they're down here to work and bring their resources to bear on it. obviously they have a lot more capabilities to do criminal investigations when all the local agencies here are so wrapped up with the on going emergency here. they still haven't been able to pinpoint the cause of this. they know there wasn't lightning. they fear maybe there was potential for some sort of arson. they've had a tip line going. we know they've gotten a lot of tips and been able to look at it. the sheriffs here haven't been
able to fully focus on that because of all the roadblocks they're doing, helping with evacuations, et cetera. >> thanks very much, jim spell man reporting from colorado springs. up next, an update on aimee copeland. her father and sister join us. i'll ask what the first thing aimee plans to do after winning her battle with flesh eating bacteria. later it is hump day, only hump day. the camels are here to save the world. this is not a joke tonight. [ male announcer ] every day, the world gets more complex. and this is what inspires us to create new technology. ♪ technology that connects us to everything the world has to offer and vice versa. ♪ technology that makes lightweight stronger, safer,
google is taking on apple's ipad and amazon's kindle fire. today it unveiled the nexus 7, the latest version of android which they call jelly bean. it costs $199, the same as the kindle fire. one of the other big announcements today was this one, you look at the thing and go what the heck is that thing. it's called the nexus q. is it a robot? anyway, it's a device that lets you stream music and video from the cloud to your television. google calls it a social streaming device because you can create play lists, share music, things like that. it's expensive, $299. that is $200 more than the apple tv and it's only for google, play and youtube. it has a few more features than an apple tv, but it's also made in the united states of america, meaning it costs a little bit more to build it and manufacture
it. for example, the outer shell you were looking at, it's made by a company in wisconsin, made in the usa. the one big message out of google today is people don't want to be tied to their television or computer, they want to watch tv on the go. that's our number tonight. 70, 70%. that's the percentage of consumers who watch television on a nontelevision device, a smart phone, a laptop, a tablet. that's incredible according to the npd display search survey. companies like cnn have apps that let you live stream our content. let us know where you watch "outfront." tweet us at outfrontcnn or tweet me @erinburnett. now to our outer circle. we go to mexico where presidential candidates hit the road today for their last day of campaigning before the election. it's sunday, our miguel marques
is with the front-runner. i asked how the outcome will affect mexico's relationship with the u.s. >> no matter who wins the election, there will be continued close relationship with the united states. mexico has a very strong economy at the moment compared to the u.s. they hope they can continue that relationship and it gets stronger. it grew 4.6% in the first quarter of this year alone. the other thing going on here is certainly the drug war. they're going to keep up the fight against the cartels they say. the other thing mexicans want is less guns and more cooperation from the u.s. with regard to guns coming across the border from the u.s. into mexico. we're at a rally now for en reiki pin netto. the front-runner. you can see him up in the crowd. they certainly love him here in deluca. this election will take place on sunday. he seems to be the front -- he
is the front-runner. it is very likely he will be the next president of mexico. erin? >> thanks to miguel marques from mexico city. now to syria where rebel forces launched an attack on a government-run television station. seven were killed in the chaos. ivan watson is in istanbul. >> reporter: the syrian government says rebels attacked at down at the headquarters outside damascus of the pro government tv channel and killed three journalists working there as well as four security guards before blowing the place up. the information minister for the syrian government is calling this an act of terrorism, an attack on media and journalists in syria. he's blaming this in part on western governments and arab and international institutions that he claims are part of a conspiracy against the syrian regime. this shows the increased audacity of the armed syrian operation which according to a u.n. report is starting to use
assassinations more often and improvised explosive devices against military targets that do not only hit syrian security forces, but also syrian civilians. erin? >> thanks to ivan watson in istanbul. let's check in with soledad in for anderson with a look at what's ahead on 360. some late developments on the fast and furious gun runnings operation. on the eve of a house vote that may cite attorney general eric holder for contempt of congress. a six-month investigation details a very different version of how many on capitol hill and in the media have been describing what happened on the ground with those weapons in arizona, the fascinating details come to us from "fortune" magazine's katherine eban. tonight in "crime and punishment" a $50,000 reward is being offered for one of los angeles' most notorious sexual predators. the so-called teardrop rapist. he's been gone for seven years
now. now he's back. those stories and the countdown of theory dick list top five at the top of the hour. our fifth story "outfront," the miraculous recovery of 24-year-old aimee copeland. doctors upgraded her condition from serious to good. those of you who have been following this story will be amazed. she's scheduled to leave the hospital on monday. after spending more than seven weeks fighting a flesh eating bacteria called necrotizing fascitis. doctors gave aimee a 1% chance of survival. after amputating her hands, one of her legs and a foot, she's beaten the odds in an incredible fashion. aim's sister and father are "outfront" with the latest. great to see both of you. page, especially you, but andy let me start with you. i know she's leaving the hospital on monday and going to a rehab facility. what was her reaction when she found out? >> she's real excited. she's been seeing those four
walls inside that hospital for a long time. just being able to get out and go for a stroll outside the hospital was one thing. being able to get out of the hospital and take the next step in her recovery process, i would say is about like you going to college for the first this is before she would get a prosthetic limb or anything like that, right? she's going to be learning how to move? >> that's correct. the first initial phase is for her to be able to learn without prosthetics. she needs to be able to develop the autonomy to be able to transfer from a bed to the wheelchair from the shower to
the bathroom or anywhere el in the house. she can do it. there's a young man named kyle maynard who has no limbs. he climbed mount kilimanjaro with no limbs. we know the ability to transfer without limbs is possible. >> what has your sister been telling you about how she feels? >> she's just amazing she just knows that she's blessed and she is just so happy to be alive. whenever i go over, she doesn't take for granted like brushing your teeth, swashing your haur. i give her a facial, a side pony. just all those things. afterwards shall recollect's always so thankful, saying thank you a million times. last time she said page, don't
ever take this for granted. i was like don't worry, i won't. >> i know you're close, only about a year apart. was she your best friend before this, too? >> we've always been super close. especially in high school and in college, we graduated together. so we've -- i mean, she is -- i couldn't imagine life without amy. we're very close. i've always looked up to her a lot. >> what has amazed you the most? i can't imagine thinking of my sisters and -- i mean, just that she responds this way. the way you all see this, that seems the biggest miracle of all, that she is so overjoyed to be alive and she's saying thank you to you so many times. did it surprise you when she first was able to speak that she reacted this way? >> it was kind of surprising. aimee cherishes life and relishes life every day as a
gift. she's always had that outlook even before her accident. what really amazed me. being kids together, she was always falling up and down the stairs, off of her bike. not very graceful. but then with all this happening, she's just had such tremendous grace and just has handled it like a champ. so that's one thing that's really surprised many e. she's not clumsy ole aimee, she's like a swan. >> what a beautiful image. andy, i know you're trying to get your home ready. are you going to be able to get the home ready. i know you're trying to change everything so she can come home and be able to move around. >> that's a real good question. in fact, i'm holding in my hand here, some drawings that were drawn by an architect to help get our house ready. if you could imagine a home builder and built a house and said i want to make this house completely inaccessible for
somebody who's disabled. that's what our house is like. we don't have a master bath on the main or a master bedroom we're building a special wing for her, but we've got to find a home builder who can fast track this thing and mike it a priority and make it happen. i was trying to reach out to bease homes to see if maybe they could make this priority project to see if somebody could knock this out in six to eight weeks. if there's any home builders out there listening to this, please give me a call. let's see what we can do to make this happen for aimee so she doesn't have to come home and have a bed in the living room. >> i'm sure they will step up to the plate. thank you. and paige, thank you for the image of the swan, that was beautiful. thank you. all right, next, the best weapon in the war on terror. why not make lunch more than just lunch?
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