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eastern hour when the former republican presidential candidate newt gingrich and the reverend jesse jackson will both be here at this table with kate and me in "the situation room." remember also you can follow us on twitter. just tweet me @wolf blitzer. that's it for us. thanks so much for joining us. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, i'm live in rwanda with an exclusive conversation with former president bill clinton. we talk mitt, barack, chelsea, hillary, al qaeda's newest threat and the president's passion. >> my belief is that you got to prove this stuff is good economics. you got to change the economic model so -- and you got to keep score. >> plus baby gorillas facing extincti extinction. and an olympic hero whose six brothers were slaughtered in the
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rwandan genocide. president bill clinton "outfront." let's go. good evening, everyone, i'm erin burnett live tonight from rwanda where i spent the day with former president bill clinton. we talked about a lot of things. he spent some time visiting some projects. some farms and some factories where he had spent a lot of time over the past few years. with the likes, in fact, of nascar famous driver jeff gordon. also i saw the president at a soy factory he's bringing in the countryside. he arrived with his daughter chelsea. shaking everybody's hand and taking pictures with everybody who asked. and he asked a lot of questions himself. >> whenever i hear somebody say oh, these small farmers, they're just inefficient, they can't generate income, i just decided to see if that was not
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necessarily true. and so we get 'em cheaper and better seed and fertilizer, get their crops to market so they don't lose half their income taking it to market. >> reporter: the president told me that he blew it here. nearly 1 million people died in a horrific genocide in just three months while bill clinton was president of the united states. the blame still haunts him and so he comes back again and again and again. tonight, you're going to hear him talk about mitt romney, barack obama and the women in his life. but we begin with the threat of al qaeda right now. and the reason that the president loves africa so much. >> first of all, i like it here. and i think it's important that the rest of the world know, especially america. that it's a continent, not a country. and that with all the troubles in various african countries, 6 of the 10 fastest growing economies in the world in the last decade were here. the growth opportunity act which
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i believe is about to be ek exte extended by congress leads to jobs here. >> a lot people have this image of africa -- horrible images of a child with a distended belly or children with flies in their eyes. the horrible pictures people are used to seeing. the last thing americans expect to hear is africa is sort of the farm fertility capital of the planet which it's become, right? >> yes. if you look at rwandrwanda, fir time i came here, four years after the genocide, the per capita income was less than one dollar a day. today, it's five times what it was. they've averaged 8% growth. and they have good roads. they have good farms. >> the president has created a lot of growth. the statistics you talked about. supposedly this will be his last term. do you think that this country
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will be weaker without a leader like he is, even if he is more author tarrian leader? >> depends on who succeeds him. depends on whether they forgot what brought them this far. there are countries with incomes 10, 20 ties rwanda's, where the streets aren't as clean. >> the streets are incredibly clean here. >> roads aren't as good and where they're just so focused on future, so focused on developing the skills and abilities both women and men. this is the first country in the world to have the majority of its parliament female. when i came here, first on my -- doing my aids work in 2002, already half the governors in rwanda were women. and they had villages where they'd give you land if you agreed to live next door to someone of the other ethnic group. saw two women holding hands. one of them had lost a husband and a brother. the other one had a husband in
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prison, awaiting war crimes indictment, which means he was a major orderer of the killing, the genocide. they wereled h holding hands. they were neighbors. >> when you were president, nearly 1 million people were slaughtered. a personal failure of your. do you think with all the contributions you made, things like this plant, that you have on some level sort of -- >> i don't know but i -- i remember the first time i came here to start the aids prect, a reporter was riding in a cab. he asked this cab driver if he didn't resent my being here because the u.s. didn't come into the area until after the killing had been stopped to take care of the refugeeings. and he said no, i don't. because he didn't make us kill each other. that whole thing. take responsibility. and he said he's the only one how said he was sorry.
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nobody else has apologized to us. at the time, we were worried about getting into bosnia. we had the reaction from blackhawk down in somalia. and it was over in 90 days. we just blew it. i think had we sent 10,000 trues here and got a few more people to come, we might have been able to save one-third of the people who died. you can see what a rural country it is. >> yes. >> and most of the people who died were killed with machetes. so i don't think we could have ended the violence. but i think we could have cut it down. and i regret it. all i can do is try to help them come back. but it's very interesting. the rwandas aren't interested one way or the other about whether i'm atoning. they want to know what we're going to do now. they have this future focus that we need in america. and we need everywhere. i mean, they have young girls --
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their vaccination rate against cervical cancer, against the hpv virus, is 93%. >> it's not that high in the united states. >> it's 26%. i mean, they just get the show on the road. that's what they're interested in. and it's quite stunning. >> you talk about the tough decision you regret on intervention. you look around africa right now. you see what's happening up in mali. al qaeda is rising in part because of the instability in libya and u.s. involvement in libya that allowed some of the weapons to come over the border and some people are saying it could be the next afghanistan. >> could be. i hope not. i mean, you know, mali has quite a hold on the imagination of people who understand africa. and when i saw that destruction, religious political violence in timbuktu, it was very sad to me. but there are always unintended
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consequences to events that upset the established order. and what happened in libya i think will probably work out to be positive for the libyans. and eventually in all probability, mali's probably not a big enough base for permanent destruction. but a lot of people could get hurt in the meanwhile. and we just have to try to help the africans to resolve this as quickly as possible. >> i mean, there's been reports of afghan fighters, pakistani camps. obviously it's very difficult to tell what's happening in mali. >> whole group of people now associated roughly with al qaeda who have never made a living any other way. so they -- they're basically itinerant fighters. they go where they can make a living and fight and pretend
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it's some sort of religious struggle, which is tonigisn't. and so i think it's the leave of the instability. we have to be prepared for it. but it's almost like herding cats, you know, because it's such a decentralized operation. >> a sales tip for barack obama from president bill clinton. that coming up next. plus, these baby gorillas. they love having fun. they're insanely amazing to watch. but their lives are in danger tonight. that's "outfront." this is new york state. we built the first railway, the first trade route to the west, the greatest empires. then, some said, we lost our edge. well today, there's a new new york state. one that's working to attract businesses and create jobs. a place where innovation meets determination... and businesses lead the world.
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our second story "outfront," i asked former president bill clinton about the election. we talked a whole lot about mitt romney. that's coming up. it sounds a little bit like he's on the campaign trail himself here. >> i think there's an enormous case for president. for example, this economic crisis which he inherited didn't bottom out till the middle of 2009. then they passed the bills. they didn't take full effect till 2010. 2010, 2011, 30 months. we had 4.5 million jobs. is that enough for a full recovery? no. but governor romney recommends that we go back to the bush economic policies. more tax cuts for upper income people. and less regulation. which is what got us in trouble in the first place.
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now, in the seven years and eight months before the financial crash, under the previous administration, we had 2.6 million private sector jobs. so obama's last 2 1/2 years have produced 40% more jobs than the 7 years and 8 months of the previous administration before the meltdown. >> it's interesting though when you talk about it like this. and you give the example of how many jobs president obama's created compared to president bush. he doesn't talk about it like that. it's not nearly as clear. a lot of what he talks about is more about fairness. it has created the perception among some voters and independent voters that there's a class warfare sort of agendag. what could he do to shift it so that's not what people hear coming out of his mouth? >> first of all, i don't think -- when he talks about fairness, he means that if we have prosperity it ought to be broadly shared. but he hasn't done anything to
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hurt upper income people. so i don't buy the class warfare thing. >> you're saying it's rhetoric? >> it's more perception than reality. warren buffett once said we had a class warfare and my class won. americans don't resent success. we're a society about aspiration. and reward for work. we don't care how many millionaire, and billionaires there are. as long as the middle class people can support his or her family. and believe that they'll be rewarded for work. and as long as poor people who work have a chance to become middle class people. >> michael was a speechwriter for the former president. joins me tonight. along with john avalon from the daily beast. john avlon, why is it we haven't heard the current president of the united states come out with such clarity and precision in laying out the difference between himself and his competitor? >> look, i think in many
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respects, bill clinton is the great communicator. he's got this ability to make an economic argument that really resonates with main-street middle class voters. and that's something that president obama has struggled with. really distilling economic ideas in the way that resonates beyond the democratic base to the key constituencies. that's what bill clinton is the master of. even off the cuff. >> michael waldman, then when he went on to say, look, what i want is more prosperity, distributed more fairly, so we hear that from president barack obama a lot. then president bill clinton says that americans like millionaires and they like billionaires and they don't have any problem with them. they just want to be able to become them. how come we don't have that sort of rhetoric from barack oba? >> well, this is geographic proof it's not because he has speechwriters. president clinton is very distinct in being able to make arguments about policy in values
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terms. when he talks about economics, yes, he usings the statistics and he uses the facts, but he roots it in a kind of core sense of opportunity for all and responsibility from all. as he said when he ran for president. president obama has been brilliant as a communicator in many ways about larger american themes. about the country's history. about his own history. but has often fallen flat when he comes to these policy things. so, you know, we all can learn from bill clinton on that. >> i'm just curious, because it's interesting, we're going to hear bill clinton later on in the hour talk about mitt romney. there's some really good in there, there's also some really bad for mitt romney. what can -- how effective is bill clinton now, campaigning for president barack obama? he says he's in camp. then he says good things about mitt romney. how effective is he? >> he's his own man. i think that can be a liability for the president. for example, i just want to
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reinforce michael's point. he's his own man so he gave the story about how obama created more be jo jobs than bush. obama was dealing with a much bigger jobs hole than bush was. for example, reagan and the reagan recovery after that massive recession. the job growth was much, much faster. the thing is, bill clinton is such an artful communicator that he's able to take an idea that's frankly pretty silly when you take it outside of that real context of how big was that initial jobs hole and make it sound very clever and sensible. another thing we need to remember is that in 2008 when barack obama was running against hillary clinton, he was very pointed in saying that, hey, ronald regular be wagan was a n consequential president. help was trying to separate and distance himself from clinton democrats. that's a wedge i think republicans are trying to use. and they're not always successfully using it. but it's certainly something they're trying to use and they should try to use because
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there's a difference between obama democrats and clinton democrats. >> right. there sure is. you keep hearing it in this rhetoric. final question to you, michael. one thing the president said today, i never heard him say before, was he thought with a mere 10,000 american troops he would have saved 300,000 lives in this country. people were massacred and hacked to death with machetes. horrific genocide. how much does that haunt him? you know him personally. >> i think he thinks about it a lot. i think it is one of the things he's written about, about his own presidency. and certainly in his post-presidency. he's focused so much effort on places like africa. on bringing them forward in terms of economic development. but i think it's also the calse that if you look at the evolution and maturation of his military and foreign policy in his second term, something like kosovo, where the united states intervened to stop a genocide before it happened. to stop ethnic cleansing. was the kind of thing that he
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became quite skilled at and it's something that america -- that our country has had an important role to play in doing throughout the years. >> all right. well, thanks very much to michael. john, appreciate you taking the time. the real hotel rwanda was once a besieged safe haven for rwandas who were fleeing. plus, why bill clinton likes the mormon church. ture that puts us in control. our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development comes with some risk, we're committed to safely and responsibly producing natural gas. it's not a dream. america's natural gas... putting us in control of our energy future, now.
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this is rwanda's genocide memorial center. these are some of the mass graves for the million people who were slaughtered here in 1994. there have been 2 million jen sipd cases tried in court with 37,000 convictions. we stayed last night at the hotel known to america as the real hotel rwanda. in the movie depiction, the hotel manager, played by don cheadle, tried to save tootsies who sought refuge from hutsi slaughter. the hotel, which was looted, just finished a major
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renovation. and, frankly, the whole country feels clean and new. there are no plastic bag, allowed. there's no trash in the villages. every citizen is required to clean up. a sort of national adopt a highway program. the country feels industrious. which brings me to tonight's number. 26%. that's how many businesses in rwanda are run by women it like lucille who sells potatoes. her hard work is one of the reasons why rwanda is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. another reason is the regime of president paul gagandi. there have been costs to his leadership and he'll be my guest tomorrow on "outfront." baby gorillas are a lot more human than you could even imagine but they are at risk tonight because of a war in the neighboring democratic republic of the congo. a special report. and president clinton on mitt's taxes. >> whatever it is, it couldn't be as bad as not doing it. why not try someplace different every morning?
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welcome back to the second half of "outfront." i'm live tonight in rawanda. president bill clinton has been
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visiting key projects. he spent a lot of time with farmers talking about some soybean projects. you can see behind me the lights of tagali. rwanda is a relatively small country in africa. about 12 million people. only 20 years a nearly 1 million people were slaughtered in genocide in this country. while president clinton was president of the united states. you can see just the incredible impact that had on this country. asou can see the lights behind. sort of african lights. you don't have lots of skyscrapers or anything like that here. it was incredibly clean. noticeably so. when you drive around africa, you'll see a lot of blue blags r plastic on the side of the road. you don't see any of that here. by national edict by the ruler of the country, paul kongami, on the fourth saturday of every month everybody has to pick up trash. it was a pretty incredible thing. obviously, a positive side of an administration that has deeply
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criticized for being undemocratic. we'll talk to the president of rwanda tomorrow night. tonight, more of our interview with president bill clinton. up ahead, you're going to hear him talk about the women in his life. his number one vice right now, interesting for me to hear. and also all about mitt romney and his taxes. but first, let's send it back to john avlon to get some other headlines we're watching tonight. >> syrian rebel forces have taken some control of some iraqi border closings. a senior iraqi army official tells cnn rebels have control of the the two main border posts, along with seven other smaller security points. iraqi security forces have increased their military presence due to the instability in syria along the border. according to an opposition group, 217 people were killed in syrian violence today. we're learning new detailil
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the team will use sonar to inspect what's left of the water. the bulgarian bus bombing that killed five israeli tourists was likely carried out by a suicide attacker according to bulgaria's interior minuiste. the suspect had a fake michigan driv driver's license. bulgarian authorities believe the suspect carried the bomb in a backpack and he might have placed it in a luggage compartment beneath the carriage of the bus. it's been 350 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. economists tell us they expect these numbers to be volatile over the next few weeks. now, let's send it back to erin with more of her exclusive interview with former president bill clinton. >> all right. well, of course, as john knows
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and you all know, there are many democrats and republicans who say mitt romney release your taxes. well, here's what president clinton had to say about the whole fiascofiasco. why do you think mitt romney won't release his tax returns? >> i have no idea. but whatever it is, it couldn't be as bad as not doing it. i mean, you know, in his first tax return, the one year he did release, all of his income was taxed at 15% capital gain. but he can honestly say he wasn't drawing a salary. all of his income was investment income. that was the law. whether people like it or not, that was the law. he also gave away 16% of his income. and presumably most of it to the mormon church. but it didn't hurt -- i mean, i think, you know, with everyone
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else being so much more forthcoming, it raises the question of whether he thinks it should be a different set of rules for him than everybody else and that's a problem for him. but i don't know enough about it. he's obviously con clucluded th damage he's taking from not doing it. >> giving money to the mormon church, it was about 51%. for the estimated numbers, about 80% for the mormon church. presumably people already know that and are all right with that. >> i think that's commendable. they do -- they do a lot of good work around the world. you know, hawaii, for example, is the only state in america that has totally equalublic school funding. but they only have about two-thirds to 70% of their kids in public schools. because before hawaii was a state, the mormons and others, but primarily mormon, came there and set up these schools. i remember when i was president, i helped secure the release of
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some mormon missionaries who were in peru and had been apprehended and imprisoned by a radical group. so i just can't figure out why he doesn't do it. i think it's a mistake. he ought to do it. >> just deluge the press with all 50,000 pages or whatever it might be. >> that's what i think. >> should anything be off the table when you run for president? i guess that's the question. he said, i'm going to draw the privacy line here. do you think there's anything to that? or in this day and age, everything, whatever it might be, that you just have to accept that and put it in the public eye? >> i think that the press now, much more than in the '80s and '90s, is somewhat more sensitive to the purely personal aspects of a person's life. but things that relate to your
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business activities or your public activities, governor romney's case, his governorship of massachusetts, the olympics and bain capital and the taxes that are heavily related to all that, i don't think you could say you think they should be off the table. if the law doesn't require you to disclose something, you can gut it out. he's defended the work that he's done it he done. he's talked about his pride in the olympics. he's had to explain the law he signed. it's hard to -- again, may change a little bit from election to election. when it's thingses that are right at the core of what your public philosophy is, think that's always going to be relevant. >> you talked about him being qualified. certainly he is when you look at his background. you're not going to vote for him obviously, right? >> no, i'm not going to vote for him. >> okay, just making sure.
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just a few hours away from where i'm standing tonight in rwanda on the border there is a fierce battle going on tonight. a battle for the future of gorillas. >> getting a very special greeting from the 5-year-old. her cousin wants to be part of the action. the orphaned gorillas escort us into their sanctuary. with the chief warden and the rangers have raised them by hand. >> they had a very difficult start to life. they were recovered from poachers. from the bodies their mothers after their families had been attacked. >> reporter: illegal poachers brutally killed their families.
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they were found when they were just 2 months old. the poachers snare severed this anim animal's right hand. the ranger says they needed constant care to make it. >> well, it is pretty miraculous. baby gorillas at that age very rarely survive. >> reporter: there are fewer than 800 gorillas left in the wild. many killed by poachers or victims of congo's vicious war. >> there are a number of main threats. obviously, now we're very worried about the state of war that we're living through. the gorillas could end up in the cross fire. it's happened before. it could happen again. >> reporter: eastern congo is trapped in almost perpetual conflict. now, the orphanage and park headquarters are surrounded by a rebel group, cutting the park in two. we're getting in this plane because we're heading from one
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part of the park to another section. you can't drive through right now because there's a build-up of tension and there's a front line between the rebel group and the congolese armed forces. in this chaotic country, rangers are often the only ones enforcing the law. more than 100 have been killed in the line of duty in the last two decades. >> it's absolutely exceptional if we lose this park and we've lost something that can never be recovered, and so that does require a huge commitmentnd a huge sacrifice to protect it. >> reporter: but the rangers say the gorillas are worth fighting for. >> they're absolutely wonderful animals. i mean, they have all the qualities of us as humans. but very few of the -- very few of our failings. >> our david mckenzie went ann cross the border to the democratic republic of the congo to fire that report on these endangered species. it looks like those rangers are
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willing to put their own lives on the line for those gorillas. >> they're almost like a band of brothers, erin. there's some 250 of them scattered across a huge area of this park which is really just split in two between the government forces and rebels. in fact, the park headquarters is right in the rebel strong hold. so they have to negotiate access outside to protect these animals. >> when you look at 2 million people have been displaced because of the ongoing and horrific fighting along the border between rwanda and the drc, are people paying enough attention to the gorillas? know it's an awkward question because people's lives are at stake too. >> i think the two things can be put in one basket as it were. the chief warden has been working for some 20 years protecting these gorillas. he says if you protect the gorillas, you protect the people. there's many people living on the outskirts of the park. the rangers are helping those people to secure their live hi
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pd. >> some of those pictures, it's unbelievable. it's like you're watching children. certainly they seem to have some sort of soul. what was it like spending time with them? >> it's a great way to spend it. in fact, they have a very deep soul. our cameraman was spending time with one of the older ones at the end. he said, look how deep its eyes are. how the connection is so real. mountain gorillas share more than 98 pr% of our dna. the orphans coming up to us and clamoring all over us. it was really a unique experience. these gorillas are just really special. i think you should take an extra day in rwanda and go see them in the west of the country. >> i would love to do that and i can't wait to see them. thanks so much to david mckenzie. our fifth story "outfront." bill clinton talks about his vices. yes, h still has some. his next act, his wife and his daughter, chelsea, who was
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actually with him today. everyone else asks you about your health and your regiment. i know it's rather draconian. >> not too bad. >> i mean, no big macs. >> no big macs. >> so what are the vices you have left? i mean, you're a guy, let's be honest, people loved you because of your vices. >> well, once in a while, i break my diet and eat french fries. that's about it. i'm trying to live to be a grandfather. that's my goal. and i've already lived longer than all the men in my family on both sides. till you get to my maternity great grandfather. me lived to be 76. he never got out of overalls. he lived in an old wooden house up -- he basically built up off the ground with a storm cellar that was a hole in the ground to guard against the tornadoes. so i just decided that i would be healthier doing this.
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>> you allowed to have a glass of wine? >> yeah, i do. that's -- once in a while, i have a glass of wine, but only one. especially on these trips. i'll keel over. just fall asleep. >> you know, it's funny. you talk about your age. my dad's 12 years older than you. well, you know how it is when you get older. mother's not doing as well but my father, he is going strong. and so you could have so much longer. >> i hope i do. >> you've already had this entire life after being a president. you're doing all these things. you look at president taft. he became a supreme court justice. is there a whole nother stage to your life or your ambition that you think sometimes, oh, i'll do this? >> maybe, but i like what i'm doing now. because i can drill down in a way i couldn't when i was president. you know, by figuring out, you got all these small farmers all over the world. and right now they're not producing enough food or enough income to take them or us where
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we want to go. so i decided i'd come to africa and figure out whether we can raise farm production enough to prove they can make it. >> after talking with the former president about what's next for him, i also asked him about the two women in his life. you're here with chelsea. it's so nice when you get out of the car together. she was asking for questions than you were asking. >> she loves this stuff. she's on -- chelsea's on my board. she's on the foundation board. on the cgi board for the global initiative. and on my health care board. she teaches in public health at columbia. she's interested in all this stuff. >> is it a mazing father/daughter time? a lot of people look at this and they're jealous. >> can't tell you how much fun it is. she knows a lot more about some of this stuff than i do so i'm always learning from her. i'm getting back the investment in her education. she's just filling my brain with
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things. >> one final question, your wife is -- well, she's gone all the time, you're gone all the time. soon she's going to be home a lot. you're both going to be home a lot. that's a big transition in any marriage. but let me ask you this question. >> yes, she'll be bored with me. >> you have a big vacation or surprise planned for her when she's done this fall? >> well, actually, i haven't made it a surprise. we do get -- we're taking two weeks in august and our family's going out to long island and we're going to bring our relatives in, our friends, and just veg out. when she gets out, i want her to go climb mount kilimanjaro with me. i'm working on that. >> and, john, you know, john avlon's with me. he had a whole list of places. i'm thinking to myself, okay, you want to take hillary clinton here, here and here and she probably just wants to sit on a beach after traveling to 100 countries over the past few years. but of all the things we talked about tonight, i really wanted to get you to weigh in on what
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he said about mitt romney and his taxes. that he think, he should release a dozen years. >> yeah, you know -- >> what do you think? >> first of all, it's the way he talks about mitt romney and his taxes. when bill clinton talks about policy, he always roots it in values. he does it in a very commonsense, almost offhand way. saying i can't imagine whatever's in there could be worse than the heat he's taking. then it's almost like he thinks there should be one rule for himself and one rule for everyone else. those are value statements. it's just about fairness without using the word "fairness." all throughout this interview, you see the touches he has. the interview's been fascinating to watch, erin. to see just the intellectual curiosity of a former president. his knowledge about agriculture and africa. sincere humanitarian streak. when he does talk about domestic politics, he's always careful to make a rationale point but not take it too far to polarize.
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making the point about the great work of the mormon church in hawaii. those gestures really make it easy to take a partisan point when he kind of slips it in there. >> yeah, i thought that was a very interesting point. he did go out of his way to give several examples as we were talking about how he liked the mormon church. last but not least, interesting, what he said, so different than barack obama. i wanted to bring it up to you again. he says americans don't resent millionaires and billionaires. they just want to be able to become them. why is it barack obama doesn't feel comfortable speaking in those direct terms? >> it's funny because barack obama does say occasionally, look, i went to a country where everyone can do well. when bill clinton articulates the same point, he does it in this sort of folksy way. look, we celebrate the most successful among us. we want to make sure it's broad. we want to make sure the focus is mobility and opportunity. it goes back to that initial
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agreement he made. about both sides. that has a way of really resonating. it's not about fairness. it's about responsibility and opportunity. and that goes down particularly well i think. >> certainly does. especially with that 40% of the electorate who are independents that john talkses about. next, a boy whose six brothers were slaughtered in the rwandan genocide. 18 years later, that boy is going for gold at the london olympics. his story is next. use they don't with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. that's why my doctor recommends citracal maximum. it's all about absorption.
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today, we heard a lot about rwandan's olympic dreams. there are four rwandans who are competing. this is one of them. what i'm told his name means is "my friend." he's 25 years old. he's competing in cross country mountain biking. stereotypically you might say, rwandan, well, they're going to be great runners. we saw bike taxis. this was pretty cool. my take about this is if you can do a bike taxi and get through the hills which are everywhere
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in this country and the potholes which are deep enough to eat a car on some of these roads and you do that on a bike, you should be olympic bound. these guys were amazing. they have a little pad on the back of the bike, you jump on. his family still lives in this house. we drove out to see the house. many people should be alive in that house today who are not alive. adrian was 7 years old during the rwandaen genocide. he had six brothers who were massacred. 60 members of his extended family lost their lives. now adrian's entire village is rooting for him. we were out sort of in the front of the village where the roads were all paved and asked people. everybody knew him or knew of him. his big smile said it all. >> translator: i am proud. when he wins, it makes me proud to be rwandan. >> now, adrian only got his first bike when he was 16 so
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that was only nine years ago and he's going to the olympics which is a pretty incredible statistic. we're rooting for him. who can't root for that incredible story. his victory will be even more incredible because he's a devout muslim. it's ramadan now. he will fast during the day, not even drinking water. incredible feat for someone competing in the olympics. today we went to see something in ran whwanda. you see people walking down the dirt streets. the town was called rambania. people running with machetes and killing people. it is impossible to comprehend. at the genocide center in those mass graves we saw, there were 250,000 people who were buried right there. it really is something that was very difficult -- it is impossible to understand but truly touching to have been there. tomorrow, we'll bring you an interview with rwanda's president. he has been c