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who was killed, talked to his son, his wife, who are obviously still trying to figure out what happened as wie all are. our coverage will continue tonight. ai erin, thank you very much for all your coverage. there are many questions unanswered. for the second monday in two week, we are coming to you from a community in shock tonight. people here in oak creek, wisconsin, tonight, are just now beginning the painful journey the people in aurora, colorado, started a little more than two weeks ago. here tonight the wounds are just as raw, the anguish just as palpable. the victims here who we'll do our best to honor, the victims were not just faceless targets for a deranged gunman in a movie theater but may have been because of the way they worshiped. they were members of the sikh community here in oak creek, wisconsin. at a temple preparing for sunday
services when authorities say an army veteran named wade michael page appeared, took out a 9 millimeter pistol and opened fire. this is a facebook picture of him. a swastika in the background. it's neither the only photo of him striking a racist pose. nor the only hint of his apparently long-held white supremacist beliefs. the latest to pin down any and all hate group connections he may have had. president obama reacted to that possibility. >> i think the american people immediately recoil against those kinds of attitudes and i think it will be very important for us to reaffirm once again that in this country regardless of what we look like, where we come from, who we worship, we're all one people. and we look after one another and respect one another. >> mitt romney called the
shooting a tragedy that should never befall any house of worship. there's been increased security at many sikh temples. tonight, we'll talk to local leaders here who are worried this exact thing might happen. worried about a rise in violence against the sikh community. not just here but across the nation. as always, focus as much as we can on who the victims were, what their lives were like who the heroes are who risked everything to save their lives. we begin though at the beginning. sunday morning, worshipers at the sikh temple are reading scripture, cooking food for sunday's service and preparing for a day of peaceful prayer. at approximately 10:25, that peace is shattered. >> reports gunshots. a bald male with glasses may have shot someone. sikh temple. >> reporter: a gunman opens fire with a handgun in the parking lot where worshipers are still arriving. >> the gunman basically came into the parking lot shooting, shot people who were standing out in front, entered the temple
and open fired in the opening room and then went into the religious room and opened fire there. >> reporter: minutes later the shooter moves inside the temple, continuing to fire. terrified some worshipers hide behind locked doors. others rush to protect loved ones. accord to his family, the temple's leader tries to tackle and stab the shooter but shot and later dies. >> some of the ladies who were making food for the congregation in the kitchen overheard some gunshots and some of them went down to the basement where their killeds were pl kids were playing to protect their kids. >> reporter: officers arrive on the scene. >> i have someone walking towards me. i thought i heard shots. >> reporter: lieutenant brian murphy, 21-year veteran of the milwaukee police force, administers aid to a victim in the parking lot when the gunman ambushes him.
>> man with a gun. in the parking lot. white t-shirt. >> he was shot between eight and nine times during the shooting. a lot of extremity shots. shot in the neck, the cheek area. >> reporter: despite a barrage of gunfire, murphy survives and remains in critical condition. the gunman apparently has no intention of being arrested as other officers arrive on the scene. >> at that point, began to give him commands as far as dropping his weapon and putting his hands up. after giving commands to the individual which he didn't respond to, he did fire. one of our vehicles took some rounds through the windshield. one of the officers returned fire with his squad rifle putting the individual down. >> the subject's not moving. >> ambulance up. suspect down.
officer's down. i need ambulance. >> we have one officer shot. >> reporter: alleged gunman, a 40-year army veteran named wide michael page, is shot dead just 15 minutes after he starts his deadly rampage. he kills six people. sending three to the hospital in critical condition. and leaving a peaceful religious community wondering why. and that of course is now the question for state, local and federal authorities. ted rowlands is covering the investigation. he has new information about where the suspect purchased the gun allegedly used in the shooting. >> the gun was purchased completely legally at a local shop here called the shooter's shop. purchased on july 28th. he had to wait till july 30th to pick it up. there was nothing illegal about this purchase. this was a guy without a record who just bought a gun. >> the fbi is leading this investigation. where are they looking? >> they're talking to everybody that has had contact with him. not only here but also in other states.
today, we saw video of -- north carolina where they looked at a home there where he once stayed with a band mate. according to our affiliate there, the home had confederate flags around it. they talked to an ex-girlfriend. they talked to neighbors. they're trying to just get a full picture of who this person is. >> this is what's called white power music which we'll talk about a little later on in the program. there have been reports about a girlfriend. >> what we've been able to determine talking to a former landlord is he had just broken up with a girlfriend. we talked to a couple neighbors who lived downstairs and across the hall from him and his girlfriend. and they say that he was very standoffish and once he came into the picture, the girlfriend changed. take a listen. >> like a recluse almost. he didn't talk at all. i'd say hi and he'd just go "uh" you know. >> she was nice.
when he moved in, she just changed. you could tell he was running the show. she wasn't as friendly anymore. she wasn't -- it was kind of like she wasn't allowed to, like, talk to anybody anymore. >> we should note, anderson, south milwaukee police did talk to that ex-girlfriend. she was completely cooperative. according to a source, she said she had no idea something like this was coming. >> all right, ted, appreciate that reporting. local law enforcement was first on the scene obviously yesterday. a highly distinguished member of the force is in the hospital as we mentioned. badly wounded tonight. in the past 36 hours or so, oak creek's police chief has presided over a crisis, launched an investigation, comforted victims and been the public face of this tragedy. he's joining me now. police chief john edwards. appreciate you being with us. first of all, how is your officer tonight? >> i was just up, i visited with him a short time ago. he's doing much better. he's alert. can't speak right now. he can give a thumb's up. smile. >> he was shot numerous times. >> he was shot nine times.
>> nine times. >> nine times. most of them are extremely shots. one serious wound. not going to get into the dynamics of that. he's got a long road ahead of him to heal. we're very hopeful. >> as far as you're concerned, where does this investigation stand? >> we're starting to tighten it up. the fbi along with our detectives, we're working together and we've moved that command post down to the fbi headquarters. they're following up and cross-checking a lot of leads it we're getting leads upon leads. we're cross-checking phone numbers. records. everything we can to see if there's any ties. we want to leave no stone unturned. i know there's talk about using the white supremacist. there's a lot of information out there. i don't want to usehat term until we want to put that out there for sure. that's not something i can take back. when we put that term out there, you don't use that term lightly. so we want to make sure we have everything in place before we use that. is it a possibility? yes it is. it might be something else. we have to check everything.
>> sure. earlier in the day, there had been talk about a possible person of interest. it seems that person has been eliminated. are you confident this person worked alone? >> as far as the person of interest, they have been identified and they are still being followed up with as far as statements and seeing what they have to offer. >> okay. >> i can't say they've been eliminated. they're still being talked to. as far as our indications, this individual was by himself. that's what we have right now. indication from witnesses. that we had at the scene, the officers at the scene. indication that he was a lone shooter it. >> are you any closer to understanding motive at this point? >> it's still open. we're starting to eliminate more things and start to narrow down what it might be. there's still quite a few things we have to eliminate. >> have there been other incidents against the sikh community to your knowledge? >> no, not here. we've partnered with them. they're a friend of our community. we work with them. we don't have issues with them.
we've never had any problems. no problems at all. >> and they've -- as far as you know, they haven't had problems with people attacking them or incidents? >> no, no, no red flags, no complaints, no calls, anything like that. >> let me ask you, you may not be able to answer this or may not be able to say, but is it your belief this person did not want to be taken? >> you know, all i can -- i don't want to fill in blanks without -- because we're going to have video. we have a lot of video at that scene that's going to be looked at. >> there's videos outside -- >> at the temple that have been recovered. but by the actions that our officers have said, he didn't flee. so he engaged the officers. >> well, listen, our best to the officer who's been injured and his family and thank you very much for talking to us. i know it's been a long 24 hours. thank you very much. chief john edwards. let us know what you think. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter twitter, @andersoncooper. next, the lives cut short in
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we're live in oak creek, wisconsin. what we know so far about the man who allegedly caused this tragedy paints a disturbing picture of an alleged neo-nazi skin head. a former military man who used music to decimate a message of hate. this photo is from a facebook page that's since been taken down. what we know right now is this man was once in the army but was discharged in 19 1998. a former army buddy says he would talk about a racial holy war. later, the suspect would become a part of a band. according to southern poverty law center, back in 2000, the suspect tried to buy some sort of products from the neo-nazi national alliance which the center says at the time was the country's most important hate group. drew griffin joins me now live with the latest on what he has been able to find out. drew, what have you been learning? >> anderson, this guy was really out front in this white power
music industry. you'd almost call him a mini celebrity. he was involved with some of the bigger bands in the year 2000 up to 2005. that's when he started his own band, end apathy. they played at major -- i say that somewhat facetiously, major festivals of these white hate groups like the hammer skins and some of these other groups. venues where they would all get together. a group of bands and play their hate-filled music. devin bergart is an author who also tracks these hate groups. and he looks at this industry as not only a multimillion-dollar industry with hundreds of bands, anderson, but as a major outreach now for this white power movement. >> these bands are known for their recruiting and for bringing young people into the movement. they play festivals, shows and gigs around the country which are specifically designed to bring in new young people and indoctrinate them into the white
nationalist movement. >> and he was very much a part of that, he being the suspect, this fellow, page. we know that -- from his website, he talked openly about major accomplishments in his life, anderson. one of his major accomplishments was starting this band, end apathy. >> i remember doing some reporting on neo-nazi white supremacist bands in the united states back in the late '90s and i actually spent some time with some of these bands and band members. there was a culture of violence within these groups at these shows. was he himself, the suspect, violent? >> you know, the groups that have been track him. you mention merchandied souther law center. anti-defamation league. really have not seen him attached to violence, other than his hate-filled lyrics. he really doesn't have a major criminal record whatsoever. that's why he was able to pick up that gun that ted row lalands talking about. drunk driving back in colorado.
a minor mischief thing back in texas. but nothing violent. and we do know he took his lyrics very seriously. he gave an interview to his quote/unquote record label back in 2010. this is what he said about writing his lyrics. he said the topics vary from socialological issues, religion, and how the value of human life has been degraded by being is up missive to tyranny and hype pock crease that we are sub ju gaited to. you know what they're all about. they don't like what they call the delusion or the dilution of the white race. anybody who doesn't fit into their mold. since the national alliance have collapsed under law enforcement pressure, it's this white power music that has become really the focal point of this kind of hate group. >> and, drew, obviously, there's a lot we still don't know at
this point. is it known if he was currently with any particular group or was he kind of a lone wolf? do we have any evidence either way? >> you know, the last reference i can find to end apathy was that 2010 interview that i quoted from his record label. the record that they recorded for that label was still being sold on that website. although the website has taken down. i can't see them appearing anywhere. i think they appeared at a festival back in 2011. it was the st. patrick's day festival down in florida. that's the last time i saw them, you know, being anywhere and playing. so i really don't know the answer to that. ted also talked about how the fbi was looking at his former band mate's home back in north carolina. gives you some indication this group, if it was indeed a group, maybe has split or taken some kind of a hiatus.
>> yes, it will be interesting to see. i stopped following white power music as a reporter back in the late '90s. there was a group at the time called revolution records which tried to put a slick and glossy veneer on a lot of these white power bands but i'm not sure if they are still in existence or what the status of this part of the subculture is. as you said, that group, the national alliance, they've really -- which at one point was powerful within the white supremacist movement in the united states. they've really gone by the wayside, right? >> that's right. these groups now a days, because law enforcement is so good at rooting them out and basically knocking them out, you'll see a lot of these hate group, like i mentioned the hammer skin, they say they are leaderless. they are a leaderless organization. there's a reason for that. nobody wants to be the leaders of these groups because they become the target of law enforcement investigations. and that's why these festivals that take place, these music festivals that take place, are very secretive.
they will advertise, we're going to have a festival in such and such a town. quo there on such and such a date. in the morning, call this number and we'll tell you where it is. a lot of times you'll see photos of these festivals. all the pictures of the people are blurred out. which is why it's so interesting we have these out front pictures of wade page in his nazi flags and nazi regalia so open. i really believe -- although we can't ask him now because he's dead -- i really believe he believed him to be somewhat of a celebrity in this movement, industry, whatever you want to call it. but, again, it's all centered around white power music, which if you haven't listened to it, take the worst punk rock, head banging music you can find, put some really nasty, hate-filled music, lyrics to it, and basically that's what you have. it all sounds the same. >> sounds like he had delusions
of grandeur on some level. this is a former skin head, the author of "skin head confessions, from hate to hope." t.j. joins me now on the phone. this suspect was in a band in the thick at one point of the white supremacist music scene. explain the importance of music as a tool in recruitment. >> it's a major tool in the recruitment field. you think about if i give a kid a piece of paper to read, he might read it once, maybe twice max. if i give him a music cd, he will listen hundred, of times. that song is stuck in his head. that's propaganda you cannot get rid of. >> and that's who the target of a lot of the music is, it's kids? >> it is. there's a thing a few years back called project schoolyard. they were going after kids in junior high, high school. i mean, even one guy a few years back said he wouldn't have a problem going after kids as young as 8 or 9.
>> the alleged shooter had a lot of tattoos. you say they're very important in white supremacist culture. how so? >> well, tattoos are everything in the white supremacist culture. i looked at one of his tattoos online. it had the word 14. which is an acronym for white supremacy logos. >> also, 88 i've seen has some significance. >> 88 is their heil hitler. 88th of the alphabet. >> you say acting as a lone wolf is a tactic in the modern day supremacist movement. >> it is. lone wolf tactic has been around for a while. there's a point system for the lone wolf. and they love to use that tactic. it eliminates anybody else getting in trouble. a larger group of people won't go to prison o go to jail.
>> i'm also curious, t.j., about your personal story, and how you were able to go from at one point, you know, believing these hate-filled messages and to a point where you now are actively working against it. can you explain a little bit about how you got out of it? >> okay, i'm sorry, can you repeat that? >> yeah, i'm curious about how you basically changed your mind. i mean, you were once involved in the white supremacist movement. you were a skin head, you believed these things, and you evolved. how did you change your mind? >> for me, i was lucky. my kid showed me that my hatred was infected them at a very young age. i saw how it was affecting my family and my youngest children. for me, i got lucky. what i do now is i work with people all over the united states. actually throughout the world now. helping them realize how to get out. but for me it was mostly my family. my kids. if it wasn't for them, i'd
probably be in prison for the rest of my life. >> we don't know what the suspect knew about this temple. we don't even know if he had any idea of who the people were that were trying to kill. i mean, do these people in this movement actually study this? do they actually study different religions? do they actually, you know -- do they have a basis of what they're spouting? >> well, for them, religion is their skin color. they probably had no idea sikhs -- he may have thought it was -- he saw the word temple. he may have thought it was a jewish institution. a muslim mosque. i don't think he may have thought that through. we'll never know, in fact, because he's dead. no, to them race is a religion. they very rarely have anything to do with any formal religion. nor do they study it. >> t.j., i appreciate you being on with us tonight. there's obviously still a lot we
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welcome back. we're live in oak creek, wisconsin. seven people died in oak creek including the gunman. six lives are worth remembering tonight. you'll hear a wife and a son talk about the man they deeply loved and respected. he was mortally wounded after struggling with the killer trying to slow the killer down, buying time for others to flee or to hide.
he was 65 years old. the oldest victim. his granddaughter says his attended temple daily. relatives say he loved to talk. we don't yet know much about three other victims. we at this point only know their napes and ages. sita and renjit singh, ages 41 and 49. and parmijit, the only woman killed. according to "the milwaukee journal sentinel," in june, he returned from india to bring his wife back to live. says a friend, a noble soul. we hope in the week ahead to learn more about them. i spoke earlier tonight and spent some time with the temple president's wife and his son. outside the home of satwant
kaleka, an american flag flies at half-staff. his son and wife are still try to make sense of what happened. what do you know now happened to your father? >> i have people that i used to work with that called me to tell me that what he did in that temple, in that guawara that day, saved so many lives and saved so many people. >> you were told he tried to stop the gunman? >> yes. i was told by several fbi agents that thelood trails and the evidence that are inside, it's blood evidence that shows a battle had ensued. and the knife next to his body had blood on it. then blood trails leading to wherever that battle of blood was, one towards the kitchen, one towards the bedroom of my dad laid to rest. >> since i start closing the door, my kitchen door. meantime, he came in the kitchen. he shot over there. then two ladies got shot in the
leg. like on the feet. then i grabbed everybody, say run, run, run to the pantry. then after one minute, we saw his -- shot on the other side. >> there were more shots? >> more shots. big, big shots. then it's like four, five minutes after that, shots again. >> so it went on for some time. >> yeah, it went on for some time. then after that, it was quiet. >> that flag outside, my dad put that flag outside when we first bought a house, our first house. you know, we lived in little apartments. we were pretty poor. this was our first house. >> that's one of the first things he did? >> one of the first things he did. we came home from high school. we were laughing. like, dad, that's going to be an eyesore. you have an elementary school sized flag in your front yard.
>> why is that so important? >> he said, look down the street, do you see any other american flags? he said, because we came here and it's been a land of opportunity -- >> in order to feel close to the american friends, you know? >> and a form of protection. >> a rm to form of protection? >> he said, look, i don't want anybody to do anything to our house. as a form of protection, we'll put the flag up. also, to me, personally, his life was like this. he lived the american dream. when you talk about somebody who came over with a couple hundred dollars in their pocket and worked 18 hours a day as an immigrant -- and we were all immigrants. we all immigrated together in '82. i mean, we watched him. he was 5 years old. going to the gas station with him. watching him work in some of the worst neighborhoods. here's what i would love for them to know. i would love for them to know that he lived his life with the
principles that he knew and he was taught at a young age. and it made him highly successful in america. like, if you do the hard work, if you live by truth and honesty and tell people your feelings and you are open to communication, you socialize and do all these things, it's going to lead to a good life. he has beautiful children. he has beautiful grand children. he has a great wife that will sit by with him through anything, through thick and thin. his community loves him. hundreds of people will show up at his funeral. and that's a good life. i guess the one message to get across simply is that as an american society who is a steward for the whole world, we have to understand every culture that we touch. and sikhs are not a small culture. they're like the fifth largest religion in the world. so for somebody not to know the difference or not to understand our culture and convey peace and tranquility back to us when we
do it to them, you know, it's amazing to think that can still happen in today's world. >> so you hope these people come to understand sikhs more and understand their contributions and understand who you are. >> and i'll take it one step further. i hope the american society lets go of its criminal violence and violence in america and its hatred and this amazing lly repugnant descent as a human civilization into this archaic world. i hope we can traverse and come up and become more civilized. >> the family of one of the six people killed inside that temple. i've gotten a couple -- by the way, a couple of tweets, saying we should let people grieve in peace and not be bothering them for interviews. i absolutely agree with that. i know what it's like to have cameras pointed in your face when you're grieving and it's not a pleasant thing. we only go where we're asked. many family members want you to know about their loved one whose
life was cut short. they want you to know their story. they want you to know who they were. they don't want you to just know the name. they want you to know how they lived their life, not just how they died. we go where we're invited. i frankly feel privileged to be invited into their home today to be able to tell you a little bit about one of the people who died yesterday. a fund r-raising website has be set up to help the families of the less fortunate victims of the shooting. you can go to a website called wearesikhs.com. s-i-k-h-s. wearesikhs.com. call the bank at 414-761-1610. we'll put that on our website, ac360.com. coming up, the 911 recordings. [ ross ] we are in the dades gorge,
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the sikh community here in oak creek, wisconsin, is facing difficult days ahead, filled with grief and vigils and funerals. six members of their temple shot dead on a summer sunday. as we told you, the detail also of the rampage, they are horrific. amid the terror and chaos, there were also heroic acts that no doubt kept the death toll from being higher. the police officers who responded so quickly it the one dramatic example, so selflessly. here's randi kaye. >> squad, i'm taking report of an altercation sikh temple, 7512 south howell. there's a lot of noise.
i'm unable to get much info. but there's a fight and now it's -- >> reporter: minutes after the suspect opened fire, oak creek police lieutenant brian murphy was on the scene. the first officer to arrive. he immediately began tending to one of the victims on the ground in the parking lot. but before he knew it, the suspected shooter ambushed him. >> the individual walked around either the front of the squad or that area and was just on top of him. he was kind of down, in a fashion, down, and he took rounds from a person standing up. >> reporter: oak creek police chief john edwards says lieutenant murphy was shot eight or nine times. help was wearing a bulletproof vest. but a bullet hit him near the neck and throat. luckily, most of the bullets passed through him, hitting only flesh, no critical arteries. while officer murphy lay bleeding the other officers tried to secure the scene, unaware one of their own had been shot. at one point, the officers tried to reach lieutenant murphy on the radio, telling him they heard gun shots. asking him to confirm.
they heard nothing back. in his 21 years on the force, lieutenant murphy had never been shot before. the 51-year-old officer was recently married and has two stepchildren. he also has a daughter who lives in korea so it took some time to notify her about what happened. with the suspect still firing but in sight, other officers fulled out their rifles and took the fight to him. just as the chief says they're trained to do. the suspect shot out a patrol car windshield but after that was shot and killed by one of the officers. the officer who took the suspect down is also a family man with a daughter. he's a trained marksman. similar to a sniper in the military. he's a 31-year veteran of the force who teaches his sniper skills at both the u.s. state department and the fbi. the suspect was dead. but where was lieutenant murphy? his fellow officers weren't sure. so they did what they call a par check. calling out individual badge numbers over the radio to make sure each officer is okay. >> in this case, they went through everybody and they got
responses. when they didn't get a response from lieutenant murphy who's badge number 62 they calledcall. an officer said, we don't have one from 62. we need to find him. >> ambulance up, suspect down, officer's down! i need ambulance -- >> we have one officer shot. >> franklin dispatch, all squad, 7512 south howell avenue. subject with a gun, balding, white t-shirt, officer down. >> reporter: when they did find lieutenant murphy, they waved them off. the chief says murphy was able to speak and told the others, quote, leave me alone. he wanted the other officers to hurry up inside to save the other victims. >> there's no doubt in my mind that the heroic actions of our police officers prevented an even greater tragedy. >> that's remarkable that he told police to go and deal with other people to leave him alone. we talked to the police chief a little bit earlier tonight. he said he's dng okay. what else are you hearing?
>> he's not talking but he is much more stable. he had a couple of surgeries late yesterday. then another surgery at 2:30 this morning. he was called in for. his family's by his side. he seems alert. he's aware. the fellow officers were there till 4:00 this morning. letting him know they're there. >> there are actually cameras jou outside. there will be video. we'll see what happened. and how this guy ended up getting shot. >> that's going to be critical. we understand from the chief that the officer who did shoot him, the second officer who took him down, they were all yelling to him to put his weapon down. they were warning him. giving him commands. which they say he ignored. then he ended up firing at them. shooting out one windshield of the police car. and then they took him down. it will be interesting to see what that video shows. >> the president of the temple
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continuing that fight right up till his last breath. >> he tried to tackle the gunman. you know, in the process, suffered the fatal gunshot wound. but he really did everything he could. i believe that to my very core. >> wisconsin state representative josh epnik was friends with the president of the temple. many members of the sikh community are among his constituents. you'd actually talked with the temple president about concerns about violence against sikhs. not just here but also nationwide. >> it is a very difficult time right now, anderson. mr. kaleka was a great friend. a person with a gentle soul. a generous heart. there have been a number of cases where people have -- in the sikh community have reached out to law enforcement, to public officials, because of what they felt would be things
that -- actions or wrongdoings or whatnot because of their appearance. where they felt like they were a target. in some cases, gas station owners or taxicab drivers are dealing with people in a tough neighborhood. so you've got that element as well. and it's -- >> mr. kaleka had been at one point pistol whipped years ago when he was at a gas station working there. i was talking to his son who said many people in the sikh community don't even report minor instances which are still very horrible of people saying things to them, passing them in the car, flipping them off or whatever. >> sure, robberies at gas stations. you know, we had a rioting and looting situation last year, the fourth of july where a sikh indian gas station owners attacked. i've been to several funerals myself of young men who were killed while they were work at the middle of the night at a
24-hour gas station. and unfortunately, in today's tough times, what i would say we live in this culture where violence is glorified and unfortunately is way too common. people who look different or whatnot become the target of racial or ethnic hatred. in the case of sikh indians, because of the -- especially the men with longer beards and wearing the turbin, people mistakenly confuse with what they see on the television, radical -- >> that's one of the things that mr. kaleka's son that he hopes -- not that anything good can come out of this, but he hopes that people, a, learn more about sikhs in the united states, and also just kind of have more understanding of one another. whether it's sikh or muslim or whatever the religion. >> frankly, as broad as that stroke is, that is exactly how we're going to move forward and rebuild. because we're going to have a
lot of outreach to do to educate folks in the milwaukee area as well as the entire country about the positive contributions of the sikh community. they're a very peaceful and nonviolent religion. a lot of them coming to the united states to escape violence and oppression. and i say, you know, much like many others have been in the last 24-plus hours, today we are all american sikhs. and if people would learn more about the many positive contributi contributions, hard-working people, tight extended families. very involved in the community. helping those who are less fortunate in their own area as well as people who are different from them and wanting to understand different faiths. >> it does sound sort of kumbaya but i really believe diversity is our strength as a nation. there's a report that a mosque in joplin has been burned for the second time in this attack yesterday -- >> very disturbing. this is not the america that i
know or want. and -- >> and to go to mr. kaleka's house today. the american flag is one of the first things he put outside his house. he did it both as protection but also he wanted to be part of that american dream. >> huge amount of pride to be here in america and to be positive contributors and to be part of the diverse american fabric you talked about. we all come from different religious and racial backgrounds, economic backgrounds. it doesn't surprise me that as sad and tragic as it is that he spent his final minutes in life trying to stop this and protect his congregation. that is exactly the kind of human being he was. if we all could learn more from mr. kaleka, we would be better americans and have a safer society. >> son said the funerals are on friday for the six people. >> yes. >> there are some needs for some of the families to raise money for the funerals.
there's a website, weareall sikhs.com i think it is. we'll put it on our website. weareallsikhs.com. thank you for talking to us. representati representative zepnik. isha joins us. >> he's charged with killing six people and wounding 13 in a 2010 mass shooting in tucson. he's been forcibly medicated to treat his schizophrenia. if he's found competent, laufer in's lawyers are expected to issue a guilty plea on at least one of the felony counts he's facing. syria's prime minister hijab is now the highest official to leave bashar al assaassad's reg. fighting raged across syria. this video showed a bomb falling on a neighborhood in homs.
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