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rider. the jugs were later found to be fake. maybe he really was guiding the cranes. it's like he's at world leader summer camp. even though it's good to blow off a little steam, there are quite a few serious issues he needs to deal with. he should be, you know putting the toys away so he can fix some things. and der son cooper "360" begins now. >> the new jobs report that the president is acknowledging is just not good enough. the news is not encouraging. not for the millions of americans who are out of work and not for the president who's coming off a convention who touted how many jobs were created. the new report shows unemployment fell to 8.1% in august. down from 8.3% in july. but when you look closely the reason behin that drop is largely because people have stopped looking for work. lots of people. some 368,000 people. many of them young people. in fact, the number of people of
working age who are either working or actively looking for work now stands at 63.5%. which is a 30-year low. pretty bleak report. one that seems almost inpossible to put a positive spin on. with the presidential election, the spin goes on. here's what president obama said today. >> today we learned that after losing around 800,000 jobs a month when i took office business once again added jobs for the 30th month in a row. a total of more than 4.6 million jobs. but that's not good enough. we know it's not good enough. we need to create more jobs faster. >> to be fair the president acknowledged today and has consistently acknowledged there's still work to do. we need more jobs and faster. what he said today echoed a mantra that came up over and over. the addition of new jobs every month for more than two years. to the tune of 4.5 million jobs.
>> we've since created 4.5 million private sector jobs in the past 29 months. >> this past july, the economy added 172,000 jobs. the 29th consecutive month of private sector job gains. >> 4.5 million. >> 4.5 million. >> 4.5 million new jobs. >> president obama, plus 4.5 million. congressional republicans, zero. >> over and over the president, democratic leaders talked about 4.5 million jobs. what they don't want to talk about is the kind of jobs that have been added. jobs have been created. but more than half of them 58% have been low-wage jobs. that's according to a report by the national employment law project. that backs up another report from the labor department that shows more than half of the workers who lost jobs and manage
to find new ones are now working for lower pay. focus on just this latest jobs report, 96000 new jobs were added in august but that's still some 24,000 fewer than what economists were expecting. economists called the report disappointing. and say at least 150,000 jobs have to be created each month just to keep pace with the population population. we don't have to tell the 12.5 million people who are out of work about disappointment. they know the challenges facing them and their families. president obama certainly nose the knows the stakes are high. no president since ruse vult has been elected with more than 7.2 unemployment rate. i spoke to chief business correspondent ali velshi senior political analyst david gerring be and senior correspondent john king. is there any legitimate bright spots or is this report as bad as it sounds? >> well, it wasn't a loss of jobs. i suppose you could spin it that way. if i were in the business of spinning this, i would say that
half of this has to do with congress and the fact that we don't know what's going to happen. that creates a certain amount of anxiety from businesses hoping to hire people. half of it is europe and the lack of demand from europe. we saw a manufacturing job loss of 15,000 jobs. that is clearly stuff that the u.s. manufacturers -- that isn't being bought overseas. look, i have always been of the view, and david may share this view, that presidents get altogether too much credit and too much blame for job creation and job loss. but the real atyality al reality is this is not a great number. there's two more before the election. i would want this one to have been above 150,000 which is the number you need just to sort keep things level and a bit more. so no the white house put up a pretty tepid response, saying we've created jobs in the private sector for more than 30 month. that is absolutely true. but no 96000 jobs in a month is absolutely not acceptable.
>> david what kind of an impact do you think this will have on any potential convention bounce? >> i think it can have a dampening effect. there's no question that democrats leaving charlotte this morning, the euphoria of just a couple nights ago after the clinton speech when they thought they could get a breakthrough, that had largely disappeared after the jobs growth came out of president obama's speech last night. they're not expecting much of a bounce. gallup has shown a bit of a bounce. two other polls have not. >> we talked about the jobs picture in key swing states like ohio is actually better than the in the rest of the country. and president obama's been polling better. we don't have polls taken after the convention or the new job report. but has that trend kept up all summer? is there any reason to believe it won't last? >> there has been a steady nature. he's up a little bit in ohio. he's up a little bit in iowa. those are two states where the unemployment rate is down a bit
from when obama became president. they've been pretty steady. the question here is the psychological effect. remember, bill clinton said of course we're better off. and cited some statistics. the president says i know it's tough. i haven't been perfect at everything. but yes, we are better off. we're heading in the right direction. democrats leave feeling great. they think this is a psychological boost. then the morning after they get this thump. it is an anemic recovery. does he hold ohio? who knows? it's very much harder case now. the manufacturing jobs especially. how many people at that convention said made in america is making a comeback and then that happens? look, life and politics are not fair but timing matters in politics and the timing here bad for the president. >> anderson, if i could just amplify on that a bit. you know what the president laid out last night was we have two paths. one goes in the republican direction. one goes in the democratic direction. he laid out a strong case. but with the jobs report today the republicans say, yes, but your path is the road to nowhere. >> ali, if the fed does make a
move in the wake of this report nothing that happens at this point will really make a real impact by election day, right? >> correct. the fed is meeting next thursday. ben bernanke's been very clear that this is largely -- if there's anything that washington can do it's not actually barack obama. it's congress. it's dealing with the fiscal cliff. it's dealing with the budget. it's getting things in order so that businesses don't have uncertainty about whether they have to lay people off or what they're going to pay next year. if the fed takes action which is in the form of what they call quantitateive easing, the third installment, you'll hear this qe 3, that means the fed injecting money, trading that for bonds with banks. banks then have more money to lend out to people. and over time that means people get cess andredit and businesses can expand. businesses do not expand without the demand to justify expansion. if the fed does something next thursday, there's a trickle-down effect. it takes a while. the question is whether or not the administration can somehow
say that whether or not barack obama were the president, there would be more effective job growth. my general opinion is the congress and its intransigent compared and contrasted with europe and its problems are what is con tributing to our lack of growth. unclear whether it has anything to do with the president but right now he's wearing that badge of honor. >> david, i see you shaking your head. >> i don't understand why -- ali, why you're placing all the blame on congress. after all the fiscal cliff is one that has come as a result of an agreement between the white house and the congress. to reach an understanding about how to go forward. bob woodward's new book suggests that the idea of a fiscal cliff actually came from the president himself. so i think it's washington in the minds of most people. >> i think that's probably true. i'm always loathe to disagree with you because i think you know a lot more about this. the bottom line is it is the uncertainty that prevents --
>> that i agree with. >> there's one president -- >> -- if you think the fiscal cliff is going to come and you're going to have to lay people off or lose a government contract, you're not hiring. you're going to wait till january or february to find out what the truth really is. so yeah whoever's to blame for the fiscal cliff i think congress and washington, i agree with you bears half the blame for this. the other half is the global economy. and europe. i don't think either of that has to do with the president all that clearly. >> no esident since the great depression has been re-elected with the unemployment rate this high. that is the historical barrier barack obama is trying to clear. this does not help. >> john, you've been talking a lot about the small number of people who are kind of undecided. the small number of people still yet to make a call. how much are they impacted by these numbers? >> it's a great question. we want to see how this plays out. this is a national number. we will get new state numbers. before the election. i'm going to go out to the states and talk to people up close. if they don't think things are
getting better they go shopping for something new. if you don't like your car, you go to a new dealer. i talked to some republicans who did some focus groups last night. remember, these are republicans. they say the focus groupings are independent voters. they said they came away feeling better about the president's speech but that he didn't make the sale. he didn't complete the sale to them last night. so the republicans were a bit nervous that the president maybe had them open their minds to a second term. they think this jobs number today is going to have a whole lot people -- >> we knew the president knew those numbers last night and that's why his performance was a little tepid. this white house has been generally ineffective at carrying a message for a long time. mitt romney came out with a number. he said he'll create 12 million jobs over 4 years which is 250,000 jobs per month. and the reality is in an economy that grows at 1.7% that is not possible. so what you're up against is a president who has not created that kind of job creation versus mitt romney who says take a chance on me. the other guy didn't work out that well. it's disingenuous on both parts.
but that's what this campaign has come down to. convincing people to vote for me because i'm saying i can create more jobs than the other guy can. >> anderson, one more footnote. i found interesting. if you look at the jobs report today, think it's true ali that a lot of people coming into jobs are older and the people leaving the workforce are younger. and the young are the very people president obama wants to draw to him. >> that's a good point. david, thanks. john king ali, thanks very much. >> thank you. let us know what you think. we're on facebook. follow me on twitter at @andersoncooper. also on instagram. both campaigns visited toss-up states. the messages they brought and the raw politics on that ahead. we'll talk to mary matalin and paul begala. plus, clint eastwood is finally speaking out about his i don't know convention speech/performance. does he regret the whole empty chair/invisible obama routine? ahead.
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day one of the final stretch of the presidential race. 60 days of campaigning to go. new hampshire and iowa both battleground states were the first stops for both campaigns. here's what president obama told a crowd just hours ago in iowa city. >> president clinton point out that the single biggest thing missing from my opponent's plan is arithmetic. it doesn't add up. you do the math. if you want to lower the deficit but we're spending $5 trillion on tax cuts for folks who don't need it and weren't even asking for it how's that going to work? >> obama started his day in new hampshire. mitt romney did the reverse. here's what he said a short time ago at a rally in new hampshire. >> i expect him to report. to come to the american people and say here are the promises made and then describe why it was or why it was not he was able to carry out his promise. instead, it was a whole new series promises. he didn't deliver on the last ones. why should we expect him to
deliver on these? >> cnn national political correspondent jim acosta is with the romney campaign in new hampshire. jim, you've been with mitt romney nearly all week. he clearly feels that bad jobs report is his ticket to success in november. there are some perils with that. >> that's right. keep in mind if that jobs report had come out today after what was a fairly successful democratic convention and it said 250,000 jobs were created and the unemployment rate had ticked below 8% this would have been a different campaign day for mitt romney. instead he got what was some pretty good news for his campaign. that unemployment rate only ticked down to 8.1%. a lot people got out of the workforce. so if you were to create a word cloud or do a word count of what mitt romney had to say today, anderson promises would be one of the biggest words in that word count because he kept hitting that all day long saying the president isn't keeping the promises he made in 2008 to get this economy going again. to be fair to the president there were some promises he did
keep. one being that he'd reform the health care system. he was firing off a good number of attack lines. just a few moments ago, he touched on the abstinence of the word "god" in the democratic platform. mitt romney telling this crowd that god was in the declaration of independence so he did go after the democrats on that one. >> the romney campaign also released a blizzard ads today. 15 ads in 8 battleground states. has access to a lot campaign cash, right? >> that's right. ever since he accepted the gop nomination, the switch was flipped. he is now spending general election money up till that point. he was spending primary money. he's been raising about $100 million every month. he's on pace to do that till election day. so yes that is where all this money is going from to pay for these ads. and if you look at those ads, they've been tailored to each
individual state. so for virginia and colorado there are defense hr-oriented ads because the defense industry is so critical to those two states. when i asked a senior romney strategist on hand here what about the ads in wisconsin and michigan, they said stay tuned. and i think that means that more ads are on the way, anderson. >> jim acosta, appreciate the reporting. a lot of raw politics. let's talk about it with cnn political contributor and republican strategist mary matalin. also cnn contributor paul begala who advises a pro-obama super pac. it's been about 24 since the old light of day? or the dark light >> rig t.d ilng hanngut ands we h at so i may be a little blurry. i really liked the bpeech a four years ago. this is a reall s that he needed last night to give us the way forward. i heard mitt romney attacking it. but the most important thing either one of these men can do is tell us the framework.
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because of goal receptive the point that -- havelmost the outset. which is the emperor has no anne filled up with and it turns out an empty -- in this metaphor the empty chair. but there's no there there. i thought it was brillant. we're still talking about it. a barrage of favorable tweets in all of the blogosphere whatever that is so real people thought it was great. sort of the inside the political beltway people were just tskin', tskin'. whenever they're all tskin' i know it's something great. >> let me refer to my latin. the thing speaks for itself. i was proud my party didn't bash clint eastwood. it was too easy. i've reviewed president clinton's speech with him. there were some people who wanted to put cheap shots about
eastwood in there. clinton wouldn't have anything to do with it. maybe he believes that that really odd performance was somehow targeted for the middle. maybe the middle of fifth avenue, some guy naked pushing a shopping cart. but no, that -- it was really -- it was just painful. mary i'm like a professional alal alal high person ba lift. >> i'm like you're not a normal person. you watch this convention like someone who hates conservatives. thinks that the sun rises on obama. people understood him as the iconic person that he is -- >> this is mary's problem she lives with james carville so she can no longer recognize crazy. you've got to give her a break. >> that's a good point. okay, on that we'll agree.
>> we'll leave it there on that. mary, appreciate it. paul thanks very much. there are growing concerns tonight about a deadly virus outbreak at yosemite national park. a third person has now died from this thing called the hanta virus. park officia are scrambling to alert thousands of visitors who may have been exposed. chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta joins me ahead to explain this thing.
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has died from the hanta virus. hanta virus is carried by mice. there's no cu. but early detection and treatment can be crucial. so there are eight -- so far eight confirmed cases in people who visited the park this summer. at first park officials thought the risk was limited to 10000 people who stayed in tent cabins in a camp ground. that number could be much higher. our chief medical correspondent dr. gupta joins me now. what is hanta virus? >> it is a pretty rare virus. this isn't something a lot of people have heard about because there just aren't that many cases. it's a virus carried by rodents. with a lot of these viruses, as you know the animal does not get sick. so it's very hard to figure out which exactly of the rodents are carriers. what happens is these rodents get into these carpmp sites. there's droppings, urine from the rodents. what happens is when they're cleaning the camp site or
someone starts to occupy the camp site that gets aerosolized. people breathe that in. so that's how you get sick. >> someone gets the virus how, by breathing it in the droppings or something? >> most commonly, that's the way. they technically could also get it, for example, they got a bite from a mouse that was carrying the hanta virus. they might also get it for example if they touch something that had the hanta virus on it, then suctionbsequently touched their nose or mouth. you imagine the scenario is you walk into a carp sitemp site that hasn't been occupied, people may be sweeping it up sleeping in the beds. you can aerosollize the virus. that's the most common route. >> what are the symptoms? >> this is more challenging because like a lot of the other things we've been talking about including west nile, there is an inbasing period. you don't get sick right away. you got to sort of figure out,
you know, is there -- were you at some risk. so people are going into the doctors right now with flu-like symptoms. one critical thing is they often effect the large muscle groups. people get muscle aches. it's often the large muscle groups like in your back, in your hips, the back your thighs. so those are some of the early signs. >> if someone thinks they've contracted the virus? >> if you sort of fit the criteria you're getting flu-like symptoms this time of year, you should see your doctor. there's not a specific sort of therapy for this. when you look at these particular camp sites and figure out there's been 20,000 people maybe that have visited these camp sites over this summer, there's going to be a population of people who are going to devep these flu-like symptoms. if it gets particularly bad and what happens there is you develop pulmonary symptoms. people have a hard time breathing. take a look at this, anderson. on the left that's a normal chest x-ray.
i think everybody can tell that the one on the right has been badly affected. you see all that white area. that's what the virus does to the lungs. that's why those three people that you just mentioned died. >> sanjay appreciate the update thanks. >> you got it thank you. there's more reporting tonight. susan hendricks joins us. >> congressman jesse jackson jr. is back in washington tonight after receiving treatment for bipolar depression at the mayo clinic. jackson's aides say they hope he will be back on capitol hill on monday. 130 people killed by government forces today. the opposition those deaths happened in the capital of damascus and its suburbs. prince harry is back in the war zone in afghanistan. the apache helicopter pilot will serve a four-month deployment. prince harry will assist nato forces from his base in helmond province. a taliban danger zone. a young mother murdered.
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