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>> so much gold, it had on to be carried out in wheelbarrows. he left no will, so the money will go to his nearest relative, who hasn't spoken to him in a year. that's what willy wonka would call a golden ticket. cousin he spoken to in a career. now that's what willy won da would call a golden ticket. that's all for us tonight. "anderson cooper" starts now. we begin tonight keeping them honest with a growing fallout from what mitt romney said to a crowd of wealthy fund-raisers about being who aren't wealthy and mainly he seems to believe won't be voting for him. president obama and mitt romney reacted today and there are new details about how the tape came to light as well as the connection to a former president, president jimmy carter, who mr. romney takes great pleasure comparing to president obama. we'll talk to his grandson, james carter iv who helped find and release the tape, but most important, there simply is more of the tape to see tonight. last night, you'll recall mr. romney made a request. >> by the way, whoever released
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the snippets, i would appreciate it if they would release the whole tape so we could see all of it. >> today, the magazine "mother jones" was happy to oblige that request. they did just that, they released the whole tape. that means tonight there's more material for opponents to attack and more for supporters to rally behind and you will hear from both sides tonight. keeping them honest, the tape reveals more instances mitt romney saying one thing in public and another behind closed doors. people have been buzzing all day about something mr. romney said on the tape about the middle east. it's not only contradicting his own public position but also departs from long-standing bipartisan consensus on the issue. we'll talk about that separately in just a moment. first, the now famous 47% clip and how keeping them honest has clashed with his frequent claims that president obama is dividing the country. we have also as mr. romney requested last night included both the question and his answer so you can better decide what to make of it all. watch. >> for the past three years, all anybody's been told is don't worry, we'll take care of it. how are you going to do it? two months before the election,
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to convince everyone you have to take care of yourself? >> well, there are 47% who are going to vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has the responsibility to care for them, who believe that they're entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it, but it's an entitlement. and the government should give it to them. and they will vote for this president no matter what. and the president starts off with 48, 49, 40 -- basically he starts off with a huge number. these are people who pay no income tax. 47% of americans pay no income tax so our message of low taxes doesn't connect. >> mr. romney went on to say quote, my job is not to worry about those people, i'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. those remarks tonight getting criticism from the left and the right for how he characterized that 47%. a blog post today from david frumm is titled here's where mitt's 100% wrong on the 47%. arrogant and stupid was how
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conservative bill kristol described it. kristol and others point out 47% of americans who do not pay federal income tax are not the same 47% likely to support obama. many are likely romney voters, many are seniors who support mitt romney. keeping them honest is not just a question of math or votes. listen to what else mr. romney said on the tape. >> i wind up talking about how the thing which i find most disappointing in this president is his attack of one america against another america, the the division of america basically going after those who have been most successful. >> he's talking about a division of america. he says president obama is dividing america, going after those who have been most successful. keeping them honest, though, he said that at the very same fund-raiser at which he divided america 53% to 47% to be precise. out on the campaign trail, romney slams the president for it again and again. listen. >> i will not divide america. as i have seen the president do over these past several months, i will not divide the united
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states of america but instead, bring us together. he divides us. he tries to divide america, tear america apart. to divide our great country and divide the american people. i will not divide this nation. we don't want to divide america, we want to reunite america. >> mitt romney over the course of the campaign. today he went on fox news where he defended what he said on the leaked tape. >> i recognize that those people who are not paying income tax are going to say gosh, this provision that mitt keeps talking about lowering income taxes, that's not going to be real attractive to them and those that are dependent upon government and those that think government's job is to redistribute, i'm not going to get them. i know there's a divide in the country about that view. i know some believe that government should take from some to give to the others. i think the president makes it clear in the tape that was released today that that's what he believes. i think that's an entirely foreign concept. >> the tape he's talking about, and that his campaign is now
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pushing, shows mr. obama talking about the role of government and his belief in the redistribution of wealth. it was made back in 1998, back when he was a state senator from illinois. meantime, tonight on cbs' late show with david letterman the president reacted to mr. romney's tape. >> i don't know what he was referring to, but i can tell you this. when i won in 2008, 47% of the american people voted for john mccain. they didn't vote for me. and what i said on election night was even though you didn't vote for me, i hear your voices and i'm going to work as hard as i can to be your president. >> as for who will actually be the next president, the latest gallup tracking poll shows president obama's convention bump fading and back to a virtual dead heat with mr. romney. the poll taken before the impact of the romney tape, may or may not be felt. as i said, if there will be any impact at all. joining us is mark mckinnon, former bush and mccain media
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advisor and alice stewart. she worked with the bush campaign. paul begala, senior advisor to a leading pro-obama super pac and john king. mark, what do you make of this? you wrote a column about this for the daily beast, it will be in tomorrow. i read it. you quote michelle obama at the democratic convention in her speech, she said being president reveals who you are. you say so do campaigns and you're not happy with what's being revealed about mitt romney. how so? what do you think this tape reveals? >> well, there's a lot of us who have been waiting for a long time for some seminal moment for mitt romney to reveal his character and unfortunately, i'm afraid that this tape is exactly what that does but not in the way we had hoped for. it's getting harder to support him, getting harder to defend him. you know, i talked a lot about how i remember in september 2000, things were difficult, the dark days of september, and easy to bounce back, but when you start casting off half the country as victims, that causes
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a lot of pause for independents and people like me who cross the line in the mid '90s to join the republican party because of ideas like compassionate conservatism. i don't hear any of that from mitt romney. i'm trying to figure out what the driving, broader vision and narrative is that takes care of the least among us. we can't just pick up one half of the country and leave the others behind and cast them off as victims. this is not the vision of the republican party that i want to see in the years ahead. >> paul begala, what about that? mitt romney does have a tendency to double down after these sorts of statements. we saw that with his libya comments. what do you make of his statements today? >> well, he doubled down. he reinforced it. he said those things behind closed doors. of course he was more candid because he didn't know someone was taping him but he said them because he meant them. today, he said well, it was inelegantly phrased, which is just another way of saying i meant it but i should have used more politically correct words.
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jonathan chait, the columnist said he's a sneering plutocrat. i have to say, i'm working for the obama super pac so i have never been a fan of his anyway but it's a dramatic revelation of who this guy is. the contempt that he has for people who have earned medicare, earned social security, earned veterans benefits, for people who are struggling to lift themselves and their children out of poverty, they should be heroes in any politician's narrative, republican or democrat, and this sneering contempt he has for them is quite, really quite ugly. >> alice, this 47% that he's talking about, aren't these some of the vets, some of them old people who are on fixed incomes, aren't these people, is this really who mitt romney believes don't have any sense of personal responsibility, don't care about their lives and view themselves as victims? >> well, now, he addressed that in clarifying his statements and granted, this was a very important conversation to have. >> he didn't really address it, though.
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he kind of brushed by it. he said it was inelegantly phrased but i mean, he's constantly on the campaign trail saying president obama is trying to divide the nation. didn't he just divide the nation into two groups? >> well, that's the whole point. this is the narrative of the obama campaign which is class warfare. in the statement you mentioned that came out this afternoon, from president obama himself, saying that the trick of the government is to find a way to pool resources in order to facilitate the redistribution of wealth. >> i'm sorry, but how are you saying that 47% of the people view themselves as victims and have no sense of personal responsibility, how is that not class warfare? >> the purpose of that speech and what he was talking about to the fund-raisers was that it's important to address the people that will support the president and the ones that will support governor romney and also, there is the group in the middle that is important to really address the independents out there. >> but are you saying that -- you're assuming 47% are not people who are supporting romney
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and i'm saying there are veterans in that group, there are old people and he has a lot of support among elderly people, so i mean, those are people who actually do support mitt romney and he's just said that they are victims and have no sense of personal responsibility and don't care about their lives. >> the important point to make, what he was saying if you look at the entire speech in context, is that it's important to show the contrast between governor romney and president obama, and what governor romney wants is he supports a free enterprise system, not a big government system. >> are you saying -- you're saying to look at it in big context. i'm actually looking at the words he used, just as the republicans were all over candidate obama for using god and guns. what about the words he used? are you saying there's no problem at all with what he said other than he just didn't say it very elegantly? >> well, as he said, he could have used -- >> i'm asking what you think. you're not a spokesperson, you're a concerned person. >> i agree he could have used more artful language and could
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have expressed the idea he was trying to express in a little better way, but the point is, is that we're looking at 50 days to the election and class warfare is dividing this country and we need to show the contrast between the two candidates. we have to show a candidate who will be supportive of free market, who will need to support a candidate that will support people who will get out there and create jobs. what the people are concerned about now is jobs and the economy and right now, the state of the economy, you knowhe numbers. you've got 23 million americans out there looking for work. >> i just don't get how you think mitt romney cares about 47% of the people. john, the people who get the lion's share of government spending m are actually republicans, as i said, seniors, high school educated white men, romney voters. >> across the country, let's show you where they live. if you go by the tally of those who don't pay income tax, the darker the state the higher percentage of people in the state that don't pay income taxes. you see a lot in idaho, that's a republican state. decent amount in utah. you come across here, you have southern states. look, a lot of this is done by poverty.
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so yes, there are seniors. the republicans tend to carry the senior vote. governor romney leads at the moment. there are veterans as you noted, a very key constituency if you're looking at states like virginia and north carolina. there are downscale white voters, critical to the republican coalition in places like west virginia, in places like southern ohio. you go across the appalachian trail and down the ohio river, a lot of these voters could be republicans. i will make a personal note here. a lot of americans of all incomes have struggled the last few years and the risk for governor romney is that it's insulting to them. as a kid, my family was on food stamps for a few years when my dad got sick. we didn't feel entitled and we weren't victims and my father was pretty embarrassed about the whole thing. in the end my mother was grateful she was able to feed her kids. >> alice? >> well, i think john makes a very good point. but it's important to look at that speech he gave at that event in its full context, that he's talking about making sure that they're informed about the contrast between romney and obama, and what governor romney wants to do, he supports the
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middle class, whereas we heard from the president who supports redistribution of wealth. look what we have after almost four years. we have a shrinking middle class, unemployment through the roof, so his philosophy and his plan for the redistribution of wealth is certainly not working. it's not the government's role to redistribute wealth. it's the government's role to create wealth. >> does this tape show romney saying one thing behind closed doors and another on the campaign trail? you don't hear him saying these things out on the campaign trail. >> i think what concerns people like me and others is that he has a tendency to tell whoever's in the room or whatever audience is in front of him whatever they want to hear. so it's unclear what kind of moral vision he has, what kind of conviction he has. there's no consistency. that's what people liked about george w. bush. even if they didn't like him, they knew what he stood for and where he was going. that's why people, even people who support mitt romney refer to him as a transitional candidate or transitional president if he
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becomes president. i think what he is really is more of a transactional candidate or transactional president. everything seems to be transaction based on the moment and what's going to do good for him at the moment than a broader vision about why he wants to be president. that's a real reason for concern for a lot of us. >> alice made an important point about keeping these things in context and looking at the whole tape and of course, now the whole tape is available online and people can look at it as they will. john, we will check in with you later on. paul, alice, mark, thank you. let us know what you think. we're on facebook, i'm tweeting about this already. let's have a conversation about it on twitter. also ahead, how the tape came to light. the jimmy carter connection. i will talk to jimmy carter's grandson who actually helped find the original tape on youtube or a piece of it, and got it ultimately to "mother jones" magazine. i will ask if this is more than politics for him because he says no doubt about it, he's a democrat, and we'll ask him
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whether it's personal, given what mitt romney has been saying about his grandfather. interesting answer to that question. next, what romney said on the tape about his commitment to negotiate a settlement between israel and the palestinians. we'll be right back.
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more with mitt romney on tape talking to campaign donors back in may. his statement about the israeli/palestinian issue generating heat today. here's what he said in context including the question that prompted it. >> how do you think that the palestinian problem can be solved? what are you going to do about it? >> i look at the palestinians not wanting to see peace in any
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way for political purposes. what you do is you move things along the west way you can, you hope for some degree of stability but you recognize it's going to remain an unsolved problem. we live with that in china and taiwan. we have a volatile situation but we live with it and you kick the ball down the field and you hope some way, something will happen. to resolve it we don't go to war to resolve it. i have to tell you, the idea of pushing on the israelis to give something up, to get the palestinians to act is the worst idea in the world. we have done that time and time and time again. it does not work. the only answer is show strength, american strength, american resolve until the palestinians reach the point where they want peace more than
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we are trying to force peace on them. then it's worth having the discussion. until then it's just, it's just wishful thinking. >> in fairness, mr. romney's frustration and skepticism is shared by many on all sides of the issue. mr. romney has been openly skeptical of palestinian intentions out on the campaign trail. however, he's also on record supporting what has been the official american position since the george w. bush administration, telling a leading israeli newspaper quote i believe in a two state solution which suggests that will be two states including a jewish state. i respect israel's right to remain a jewish state. the question is not whether the people of the region believe that there should be a palestinian state. the question is if they believe there should be an israeli state, a jewish state. there's the skepticism but on the tape he goes past that and veers into cynicism. talking about kicking the ball down the road. the director of the palestinian center in washington saying, quote, it's not until candidates
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attempt to make progress on middle east peace that they give up. romney seems to have given up before even starting. joining us now, senior political analyst, david gergen, ari fleischer, and "time" magazine editor, fareed zakaria. host of "gps." fareed, what's most notable about romney's statement is at odds with previous statements that he says on record he supports a two-state solution. >> exactly. what he said with regard to the palestinian issue, the israeli/palestinian issue is not nearly as big a gaffe as the 47% which seems to reveal something new and startling. what he is saying here is pretty standard hard line republican talking points. what's strange, though, is that mitt romney the candidate has said something quite different. he's endorsed the two state solution and the republican platform endorses the two state solution. so he's now going to have to explain what does he think of the republican platform, what does he think of his own prior
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statements. >> he's also saying palestinians don't want peace, he's not making much of a difference between different groups of palestinians. he's painting with a pretty broad brush. what do you make of these comments? >> he said the palestinians who and he talked about violence. i don't know that that covers all palestinians, certainly that does cover hamas and that's one of the biggest problems we have, not having peace. bill clinton couldn't do it, george bush couldn't do it, barack obama couldn't do it. >> he says i look at the palestinians not wanting to see peace for political purposes, committed to the instruction of and destruction and elimination of israel. >> he doesn't say all the palestinians, he says the palestinians not wanting peace. that could easily be a reference to hamas. i don't think you can overread what he said there but he's making a very realistic point about stability in the middle east, not allow another iran proxy state, not allow another state that would put more terrorism into the middle east. i think when he said we will never give up hope, he's expressing what the desire is for a two-state solution but frankly, anderson, i don't know anybody who thinks a two-state solution is something that's
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practical until you get new palestinian leadership that is more dedicated to peace. >> but ari, in this speech, he says a former secretary of state called him up and told him he felt there was a possibility of negotiation and he basically ignores it. >> no, he said and i don't give up hope. he said right after that statement, he said in his remarks in the secret video that i won't give up hope. i think that's about right. you should never give up hope for peace in the middle east but certainly the experience in the middle east has been the palestinians had a chance to have their own state. president clinton came extraordinarily close and it was turned down and neither president bush or president obama could make any progress with the palestinians. i don't think its because of israel. israel has made peace with jordan and egypt. if they had a partner for peace with the palestinians, i think peace would be made. >> david, is this your reading of it as well? >> not quite. let me just say this. first, i agree with fareed, this is nowhere near as inflammatory
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as the statement about the 47%. on that one, it was almost oafish for someone who has a bank account in the cayman islands in order to reduce taxes to criticize someone who is in need and takes food stamps. but on the israeli issue, i disagree. this is very consistent i think with romney, someone he wavered back and forth in his statements but in the january debate that cnn carried, it was a cnn debate, as i recall he said look, the israelis, he took the same hard line, the israelis believe in a two-state solution. he didn't say he didn't either but he said the palestinians just don't believe in it, therefore it's not going to happen. so i don't think this was such a departure from what he believes. he almost out-bibi's bibi at times. if anything, this could help him in the domestic context with jewish voters and especially with christian evangelicals. >> fareed, do you agree? >> it may do that in political terms. in foreign policy terms, it's very unfortunate. look, what's striking about
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romney -- >> i agree with that, too. >> with all his foreign policy discussion, he doesn't seem presidential. he calls russia our leading geopolitical adversary, he bashes china in an almost crude way. he goes to his trip didn't work out so well. the things with libya. it's almost as though there's a lack of the kind of gravitas you need and here again, to be dismissing a two state solution privately when you are publicly committed to it, it doesn't strike me as somebody who is spending a lot of time prepping to be commander in chief. >> ari, are you concerned at all that, maybe it's just his critics who see it this way and his supporters don't, but that he says one thing publicly and then to an audience of wealthy donors, he is saying something else, whether he believes it or not. i'm not sure if it is a real reflection of what he believes or if he's playing to a particular audience. >> you know, when you look at the top of those remarks, he walked through carefully the two
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sides, one no palestinian state, one a palestinian state and discussed the consequences of each. so clearly, two-state solution is on his mind. i think anybody in american politics today who says i'm for a two-state solution is talking aspirationally, because nobody but nobody thinks it can be accomplished any time soon, nobody but nobody thinks palestinians are capable of having a secure state that won't practice terrorism. that's the heart of the problem and hamas is the major contributor to that. anderson, i think he's actually being punished here, if you will, for being frank, for being direct and if diplomatic niceity is to say i'm for a two state solution, it's a hollow statement. >> we have to leave it there. thank you. we now know who helped leak the mitt romney video that everyone is talking about or i should say i guess distributed it, the grandson of former president jimmy carter brokered the deal to release the video on mother jones website. he says he did it through twitter. the question is was it just politics or payback for the romney campaign's attacks on his grandfather's presidency? i will ask him. also, was he paid by anyone?
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what james carter iv told me just ahead.
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welcome back. whoever secretly made the video of mitt romney at a fund-raiser in may has not come forward publicly but we know who helped to distribute the video, james carter iv, the grandson of former president jimmy carter. the romney campaign repeatedly attacked president carter's presidency and the attacks have not escaped his grandson, james carter, who says he wasn't paid for his role, acknowledges he is a partisan democrat who wants to see mitt romney lose the election. as he tells it, he basically served as a middleman between the anonymous video maker and the mother jones reporter who wrote the online story showcasing the video. i spoke to carter earlier. so james, i just want to make sure i have this right. you yourself did not record this video. you discovered clips of it on youtube while you were researching mitt romney's work
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at bain capital and eventually made contact with the person on twitter, is that correct? >> yes. >> how did you discover the video? >> i do searches, you know, regular searches just to keep up with what's being posted, just with generic search terms, romney and republican, for instance, there's a few more that i use, but it was just on one of those searches that it came up. >> so part of this video, the part about china, had been posted by the person who took the video months ago on youtube. >> yes. >> and then how did you make contact with him? >> well, i tracked all of the places where they had uploaded -- there were several accounts on youtube that they had used and i tracked them all down and i tweeted, when i would find a new one, i would tweet it and i
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got in a couple conversations on twitter with people about it, and at that point, i had few enough twitter followers that i noticed when i got a new one, and i got one with a user name that matched one of the youtube user names. >> so the person who actually uploaded this video originally, because you were tweeting out these videos, they started to follow you on twitter and that's how then you made direct contact with them? >> yes. i think they were surprised that i had noticed, because i think the most of the people, i think they had been trying to get in touch with, you know, journalists who tend to have a lot more twitter followers than i do. >> so you know the true identity of the person who recorded it. why doesn't that person want their identity known? >> i don't know their name, actually. >> so how do you deal with them, just online? >> yep. just direct messages on twitter. that's how i've gotten -- that's how i got in touch with them
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originally and how we have done all of our communicating. >> do you know how the person came to be in the room to videotape it? do you know if they were a supporter of mitt romney or democratic supporter of president obama? >> i don't think i'm supposed to say that. i'm not sure what exactly i can reveal about the person. >> but you do have information about how they came to be in that room, you're just not comfortable revealing it? >> well, i'm not sure what they would want me to do, and i think they have been more explicit with david corn and i don't want to cross any lines that they may have thought had been established. so i'm not going to go there. >> your grandfather is former president jimmy carter. is part of your motivation personal, anger about how the romney campaign has characterized your grandfather as president? >> no, that wasn't part of my -- i was actually doing this before they started -- before they
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started along that line of attack, but i do have to say that that definitely increases the satisfaction that i have gained from this story being as big as it has turned out to be. >> how so? >> well, a lot of my twitter followers have been saying that this is poetic justice that a carter was the one that had helped to get out this video that's given the romney campaign so much trouble, and i agree with that. >> you see it as poetic justice? >> i think there's an element of that, definitely. >> did you tell your grandfather that this story was coming out? did he give you advice in any way or did you only tell him afterward? >> i told him after. he knows what i've been doing and every time that i can contribute to a story that
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becomes, you know, news, you know, obviously before today, it's been much more minor level, but every time that i can contribute to a story, i send it out to the family and friends and let them know, so he's been following it. >> i understand he sent you an e-mail once you sent him this story. what did he say? >> yes, he said james, that's extraordinary. congratulations. >> extraordinary. >> and that's pretty -- i was pretty proud of that. i put that in the top five of e-mail responses i have gotten from him. >> james carter, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> that's james carter iv. there's a lot more we're following tonight. we have the 360 news and business bulletin. chicago public school students return to class tomorrow. about 800 members of the teachers union have voted to suspend their strike and return to work. a new contract still must be ratified by 29,000 teachers and support staff.
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it calls for pay increase and other changes. a federal judge has ruled arizona can start enforcing the most controversial part of its immigration law, the so-called show me your papers provision. police can now ask the immigration status of people when enforcing other laws. in june the supreme court ruled the provision can take effect and tossed out other parts of the law. a new record for apple. its stock closing above $700 today for the first time. investors applauding the newly unveiled iphone 5 and the record 2 million preorders in the first 24 hours it went on sale. 2 million preorders? >> that's a lot of apples. >> wow. i got to get in line. >> get in line. >> i know. >> i'm sitting this one out. up next, we talk to former cia officer bob baer about why the war in afghanistan keeps him up at night. he's not alone. it's the number four foreign policy concern of voters according to our exclusive poll.
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just 49 days until the election, all this week we're focusing on foreign policy issues that keep americans up at night. we polled registered voters to find out their top five foreign policy concerns. number five was syria. tonight we look at number four, afghanistan. 2100 american troops have died since the war began in 2001. coalition troops plan to end all combat operations in 2014, but even as u.s. troops draw down, they are dying, some killed by afghans they are training to take over security. over the weekend, four americans and two british troops were killed in an attack believed to involve afghan police. partly as a result, nato said it's halted some joint operations with afghan security forces. here's what cnn contributor and former cia officer bob baer. >> what keeps me up at night about afghanistan is that there will be no army in place to take over in 2014.
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that was a dream, it was never to be, it's being infiltrated by the taliban. it's hostile to nato. we're going to leave that country in a vacuum. i think we really have to just stick to the agenda to pull out and don't make this political in the united states. in afghanistan, two things are going to happen. one is the pakistanis are going to make a hard move with their proxies to take control of the country. the iranians at the same time are worried about the taliban and sunni fundamentalism moving into iran. you will see two super regional powers head-to-head. in the meantime, there's nobody in afghanistan who is a natural leader. the karzais are going to be leaving with american forces. they have robbed the country blind and they are going to be leaving. the air force is going to have to put ac-130 gun ships up to protect the embassy compound and
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various bases so as we draw down the troops, it will be harder to defend them. it will be like ft. apache. keep in mind i'm not blaming nato or anybody, no politician. it's just the nature of the conflict in afghanistan. we cannot fix it. we cannot build nations there in two years, in 20 years, in 100 years. i think the optimism is the afghans say this is enough violence, we've solved an issue, let's talk. but i'm not all that hopeful. >> joining me again, chief national correspondent john king, also national political correspondent, jim acosta and white house correspondent dan respondent dan lothian. let's start with president obama. he promised to wind down the war in afghanistan. where does that stand? >> anderson, he says he wants to wind it down by 2014 and that effort is on the way but a long ways to go. let's take a look by the numbers at america's longest war. if you bring up u.s. troop levels in afghanistan, currently this is a june number, 88,000, we are down to 70,000 now. if you go back in time, remember the initial deployment back in
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december 2001, 2500 troops. you see the escalation during the early bush administration but here was the big spike. this is president obama's surge, 67, then 97, just shy of 100,000 troops in afghanistan. again, it was down to 88,000 by june. we are told by the pentagon tonight that number is 70,000 with the troops coming out. as we make a point about that, we should also remember the toll of afghanistan, the more than ten years of fighting in afghanistan. you see the spike in fatalities, this is combat deaths, other deaths in afghanistan, military personnel, nearly 500 in 2010. at the height of the surge, 262 so far in 2012, just shy of 2,000 now, well below the more bloody, more deadly iraq war but approaching the 2000 number as the president tries to wind that down. one other point to note since we're having this conversation about the candidates for president, lot of those veterans who are coming home from iraq and afghanistan, here's where they live. the darker the state, the higher the veteran population. you see a state like virginia, state like new hampshire with a higher percentage of population
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of veterans in some of the battleground states, important constituency. >> dan, on the trail, in stump speeches, does the president regularly talk about afghanistan? >> well, it's never the focus of the president's stump speech unless he is talking to veterans or he's in a region that's heavy military. what you hear from the president is this promise, this campaign promise that he made to not only end the war in iraq but also wind down the war in afghanistan, as john was just talking about, pulling out troops by the end of 2014, handing over security to the afghan forces. but there's still a lot of concern out there about whether or not the afghan forces can handle their own security. also you've seen a spike in so-called green on blue attacks where you have rogue afghan forces going after u.s. and coalition forces as well, and now you're seeing the u.s. temporarily halting the training of afghan, new afghan recruits, although the white house saying that that won't impact the strategy on afghanistan, won't impact the strategy. afghanistan won't impact the
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timeline. >> romney obviously came under fire for not mentioning the war in afghanistan in his convention speech. is there a lot of daylight between him and the president on the issue? >> there really isn't, anderson. i should point out the romney campaign has said that hang on just a second, just before that republican convention, mitt romney did give a speech to an american legion group in which he did talk about the war in afghanistan, he did thank the troops for their service, but there isn't a whole lot of daylight as you mentioned. just last week, at a separate event before a different military audience, it was a national guard association audience in reno, he said if he were elected president, he would get the troops out of afghanistan, make that transition to afghan security forces by the end of 2014. one distinction the romney campaign keeps coming back to, they say unlike the president who was in favor of that budget control act, yes, republicans voted for it as well, but those defense cuts that are part of that budget control act, mitt romney and paul ryan say they will put that money back into the defense budget and they say that will enable them to wind up the afghanistan war more effectively.
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on another front, it was interesting to note before the republican convention, anderson, mitt romney went after president obama for saying he hasn't given enough regular reports to the american people on afghanistan. he did that one week before he left afghanistan out of that republican convention address. >> the speech he gave the day before the convention, i think it was two or three lines he mentioned afghanistan. >> that's right. brief mention. >> he basically said there is a war going on in afghanistan and a couple other sentences. john, at the end of the day, compared to domestic issues like the economy, is this really an issue that matters to voters? obviously you talk about the veterans in various parts of the country but overall? >> not much. the president's team would tell you they believe it helps some with voters because ending the war in iraq and beginning to draw down the troops in afghanistan is a promise he made to the american people so they would argue he gets credit for the promise kept but in a word the american people are tired of this war. the this is influenced in part by dissatisfaction with the iraq war. the afghanistan war has had more
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popular support than the iraq war. look at these numbers for the quinnipiac university survey, back from early summer, july. should not be involved in afghanistan anymore, 60% of the american people, 31% said the mission there was doing the right thing. but six in ten americans say it's time to come home. anderson, a reflection of one of the reasons you don't hear either of these candidates talk about any possibility of extending the employment. >> john, dan, jim, thank you. a french court rules on the magazine that published topless photos of kate middleton. what happens now, and what the palace is saying about it, next. here is another 360 bulletin. 0ñ@ñfñ [ female announcer ] roam like the gnome this fall.
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i'm isha sesay with another 360 bulletin. egyptian authorities have charged eight people in the united states with insulting islam for their alleged connection to the online video "neps of muslims." "innocence of muslims." the video set off clashes in cairo last week. the film maker and others tied to the video are also charged with harming national unity, spreading false information and inciting sectarian strife. france has ordered the magazine that published topless photos of kate middleton not to distribute the magazine in print or online. the magazine also has to pay a fine and hand over the original photos to the royal family within 24 hours. william and kate are wrapping up their royal tour of the south pacific. there they are, dancing with the locals on the island. a royal source tellsnn that they welcome the injunction and they always believed the law was broken and they were entitled to
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their privacy. i think that's what you call a happy dance. >> is that what it's called? >> don't you know that dance? >> no. i'm not familiar. >> you just don't dance. i give up on you. >> i like to dance, just not in public. i give him big props for doing that and embarrassing himself in public. >> i give you bigger props if you dance. >> not going to happen. thanks. coming up, how do you make live television even more unpredictable? just add kids. "ridu iculist" is next.
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time for the "ridiculist." a reporter in denver was covering a fall festival when things took a somewhat unexpected turn. take a look. >> jill miller, nice to see you. it's miller farms? >> miller farms. >> annual? >> fall festival.
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>> what's it all about? come on out here for 15 bucks. >> it's about harvesting your vegetables, going out to the field, picking your own stuff. >> before we toss it back, we got to go to drew, the farm kid. how you doing that, pallie? he can't say anything right now but know what he's saying? e equals mc-squared. get that camera off my face. >> the look on that child's face is simply priceless. it says it all. who are you and why won't you go away? i'm going to try to perfect that look. it can come in handy in so many situations, i think. you can probably guess what happens next. if someone ten times your size was in your face like that, you would probably cry, too. >> get that camera off my face. i'll take this cantaloupe. >> oh, no! oh, dan, don't make him cry! >> that's terrible. i love that kid. >> way to go, dan. way to make a baby boy cry on live television. way to go. >> he's happy now.
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he's happy. >> happy because you walked away. ♪ conferring with the flowers >> when in doubt, break into the scare crow song from "the wizard of oz." that often works. that brings us to tonight's "ridiculist" poll question. who would you rather hire as a babysitter, that guy or me? >> you look very natural with children. >> hey, sit up. there you go. >> you do. i think there's a baby in your future. >> want a piece of paper? uh-oh. >> anderson, what did you do? >> i did nothing to that kid. see, we should all know better by now. live television, kids, they just don't mix. except for that time when kareen wynter was doing a live report on the kim kardashian wedding. that was in a word, awesome. >> as for the wedding, a lot of details have been kept under wraps. we do know the bride, kim, will be wearing vera wang. she will be marrying her nba beau, nba player kris humphries. kim also spoke out yesterday to


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