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along with former cia officer bob baer. and you'll hear as well from soern john mccain. you by want to start with the suspect and a "360" exclusive. earlier reporting said access to the suspect was being blocked. intelligence correspondent suzanne kelly has learned otherwise. she joins us now. what have you heard? >> well, we've heard from a u.s. government official that the u.s. does fully intinned and expect to get access to this individual. there's a little bit of negotiating going on. there's a process in place. the fbi is expected to take the lead on this negotiation, though intelligence officials are also expected to be in the room when he's questioned. >> so it's not clear -- so fbi will take the lead on interrogation or interviews, and cia, others, intelligence will be there? >> that's what's expected. exactly. now, obviously, you understand how this works with law enforcement. with fbi taking the lead versus intelligence taking the lead. but we're told right now fbi is expected to take the lead in this. so they're gathering evidence for him that they would be able to down the road uphold in court, but the intelligence agencies will be there as well because they want to know who this guy knows, who he talked, to how many other people that
they can link to this attack in benghazi. >> his name is alli hahzi, correct? >> ali anri al harzi. we know he was posting details of the attack as it was happening on his social media website. >> as it was happening? >> as it was happening. which is just spectacular detail. but although when you do something like that it makes it a lot easier for people to track you down and find you. we know he went from libya into turkey and that officials in turkey then detained him and turned him over to tunisia and now he's being held in tunisia by tunisian authorities. >> cnn has also obtained an e-mail that indicates that within eight hours of the attack on the main compound in benghazi a u.s. official there was telling the state department and white house officials that the shelter location is under attack by mortar fire, presumably the second compound we're talking about where the navy s.e.a.l.s were eventually killed. this appears to be more evidence the administration officials were in a position to know a lot about the attack in real time. >> you i think this raises a
really interesting point. they did know there was mortars being used. so they knew there was a military-type attack. however, if intelligence officials come out the day after the attack with a thread of information like that and that's only one piece of the picture and then they go public with it and two days later they find out there's more to it, it really puts intelligence officials in a position of having to go back and forth with every new bit of information they get and they don't like to operate that way. they like to get the big picture and come with an assessment, actually intelligence as opposed to streams of information. so i think that's one of the reasons why it didn't come out a lot earlier. sqult thing i still don't understand, and we don't have an answer to this, is that i assume there were debriefings of those who survived the attacks. a number of people survived the attacks. in tripoli, maybe elsewhere where they were brought. and i assume those would have taken place within 24, 48 hours or so after the attacks with the survivo survivors. and why that information that in fact there wasn't a protest before the attacks, that did not get disseminated quickly. i don't think we know the answer
to that. >> the u.s. was at a huge disadvantage because they don't have its own people on the ground to actually interview these witnesses. so a lot of the information, i mean, cnn was on the ground before the fbi was. >> they were in benghazi and then taken to tripoli, the survivors of the attack. so you would think those people would have known there wasn't a protest. but again, we don't have the answer on that. that's one of the frustrating things. stay with us right now. i also want to bring in cnn krishtd bob baer, former directors of cia operations in the middle east. also on the phone fran townsend, cnn contributor and member of the sigh yais external advisory committees. you know fran recently visited libya and actually met with ambassador stevens. what do you make of this e-mail that was sent to a number of state department officials as well as the national security council? >> well, anderson, we shouldn't be surprised by this. remember, we reported early on, law enforcement sources i had spoken to said the state department had real time access to the facts on the ground, because, of course, from the consulate, they called to the
embassy in tripoli, that was patched through to state department headquarters. so we knew they had real-time access to information. it is true that in the early going there, is conflicting information, but as you point out, the very same law enforcement officials had interviewed at ramstein air force base those individuals who survived the attack as they came out. those officials confirming what they have heard from the reports on the ground as they one folding were confirmed very early on. and frankly we still don't know why is it that that information was what was communicated by ambassador susan rice to the u.n., who went out the following sunday and suggested that this was the ruflt a protest. . >> right. because the gathering of information within 24 or 48 hours, then the fog of war argument is harder to make because somebody at least in the pipeline had some of the information. bob, the suspect, this guy -- you say it's significant that
the suspect is a tunisian. he's in tunisian custody, but he's also of tunisian descent. why is that significant to you? >> well, it indicates to me that we're dealing with a regional organization. there's certain information that puts him inside al qaeda in the maghreb. so what we're talking about here, in fact he is a true tunisian based out of tunisia. he shows up in libya, participates in a military assault on the u.s. embassy. we are talking about a military-like terrorist group operating in north africa. and the significance of that is of course that al qaeda in a sense moved from pakistan to yemen and from yemen to north africa. so we have al qaeda is spreading rather than, you know, being destroyed in another part of the world. so it's going to be interesting to talk to this guy. if, in fact, he gives up details if he admits to being a member of al qaeda in the maghreb.
>> what do you make of whether the fbi or cia is the one who's interrogating or questioning this person? >> oh, i think it's a good idea. the fbi is good at this. they -- >> you prefer the fbi do it? >> much better. i mean, i just -- i think that the renditions and interrogation tactics, rough interrogation tactics ultimately didn't work. i disagree with a lot of my colleagues. the fbi does a good job on this. they've always taken priems mac investigations like this. american citizens were killed. under american law they're the ones that should be doing it. >> u.s. intelligence agencies now also believe another al qaeda affiliated group had a role in this. what have you learned? >> one we haven't heard of yet and that's al qaeda in iraq. and that would be significant, anderson. >> we haven't heard of them involved in this attack prior to this. >> in this attack. exactly. we know they're a core group of about a dozen of those people who launched the first attack. the bigger group is between 35 and 40 people. we know about 12 of those had
some sort of al qaeda affiliation. and for for a long time we've been hearing as bob mentioned they were affiliated with al qaeda and the islamic maghreb. however, we're now hearing they may have affiliation with al qaeda in iraq. that's significant too because if you remember over the weekend there was an attack in amman, jordan which they believe al qaeda in iraq was responsible for that. one of the targets in that attack was the u.s. embassy. >> would that -- again, i don't want to say what we don't know. but we know that a large number of the people who -- foreigner fighters who went to iraq to fight and kill americans and iraqis were from libya, particularly eastern libya, east of benghazi and that region. are those people who just returned home -- people involved in this attack, do we know have they just returned home and are now living in libya with this foreign terrorist experience or did they purposely come to libya for this attack? we don't know. >> it's very possible -- we don't know, but it's very possible they went home, and it kind of fits in with what we're hearing from intelligence officials, that they believe this was kind of a group of loosely band people with different loyalties and different affiliations.
you know, sometimes your cousin may be a member of al qaeda in iraq, for example, and they'll pick up on that through phone calls or social media conversations or something like that. it's very possible that they just went home and that they then got together and found out, you know, hey, september 11th and said here's a great opportunity for us, let's go do it. >> fran, what do you make of the fact that -- or the report that it's libyans with al qaeda experience from al qaeda in iraq that are involved? >> anderson, when i was still in the white house and traveling, i had gone to libya and met with gadhafi and the internal security service at the time, and it was one of our chief concerns. we were approaching them to say to them, we're concerned about this foreign fighter pipeline that you referred to. and the fear there is not only at the time are you fighting these people that they're allowing to travel into the war zone that are, you know, harming our troops, but you worry about the bleed-off, that after the conflict these people will go back to their home countries. and it wasn't just libya, mind you. it was all across north africa.
yes, ma'amen a yemen and throughout the middle east. and this is sort of coming home to roost, that original problem that we saw that foreign fighter pipeline into iraq years earlier. and so while unfortunate it's not surprising. these guys returned to their home communities with this sort of sense of prestige, having fought in a foreign conflict, they come home and they really take on these leadership roles in local extremist communities. and so in that respect it's not entirely surprising but very unfortunate. >> and bob, we've seen this time and again. fighters who were trained in chechnya ending up in bosnia during the war there. now it's folks who were trained on the battleground in iraq ending up in libya and elsewhere. >> well, anderson, keep in mind these guys are getting military training in combat zones. it's the only place they can get it. whether it's iraq or afghanistan or pakistan, it doesn't matter. they need to pass through the crucible of combat.
they get very good. learn how to lay mortars, learn how to fire rocket-propelled grenades. they know how to ambush an embassy. these people are getting better and better all the time. i think what the intelligence community's problem "uss, that they are also wary of our collection efforts, intercepts and the rest of it. and so we're seeing a tougher enemy after ten years after 9/11. these guys are -- they're good. >> suzanne kelly, appreciate your reporting. bob baer, as always, fran townsend as well. few in the senate have followed this story more closely than john mccain. he's been critical of security prior to the attack and the administration's handling of the aftermath. i spoke to him earlier today. >> cnn is now reporting that there were about 12 suspects with ties to al qaeda involved in this attack. have you heard anything more about it you can tell us? >> well, the thing i think of interesting news today is e-mails were going back to the state department and being
distributed throughout the upper levels of government that this attack was taking place and it was probably by al qaeda. and so again, that brings into question, what did the president know and when did he know it and what did he do about it? both before, during, and after. that's why senator lindsey graham and kelly ayotte and i issued a letter today. the president needs to talk to the american people and tell them exactly what happened. there's huge confusion and contradictions. >> secretary clinton talked about this today. i just want to play what she had to say. >> the independent accountability review board is already hard at work looking at everything, not cherry-picking, you know, one story here or one document there but looking at everything, which i highly recommend as the appropriate approach to something as complex as an attack like this. you know, posting something on
facebook is not in and of itself evidence. >> and she's referencing that in one of these e-mails, one of the personnel in libya said this group ansar al sharia was claiming responsibility on facebook and on twitter and later on they went on to deny responsibility. so your response to what she said. >> well, first of all, on that particular issue it is very clear that that organization, which is al qaeda affiliated, were the orchestrators of attack. my only response is facts are stubborn things. there are certain facts we know. we know there were attacks on the consulate in april and june. we know the british ambassador was attacked. we know the british consulate was closed. we know there were warnings and requests for additional security. didn't the president know those things? and then of course the days after, the days after the attack, when the u.n. ambassador kept coming out and saying it was a hate-filled video that
inspired the demonstrations. there was no demonstrations. in other words, facts are stubborn things. everybody knows now there was no demonstration. so i'm all for a thorough and complete investigation, but certain facts are known and there continues to be contradictions within the government. and we now find out, we members of congress, rather than being briefed, we find out from the news media. we went to a briefing, and with all due respect, i'm a great admirer of the secretary of state. as you know, before we went out of session. and they told us nothing, absolutely nothing. and the very next day the ticktock of the attack, which by the way lasted seven hours, was in both the "wall street journal" and the "new york times." so they're not telling members of congress, who have some oversight responsibilities. and again, there are certain facts which are indisputable. and so for us to all wait and
reserve judgment is frankly -- and i will right now, and sorer bet you a dollar to a donut that the results of this review board will not be made public, they will not be able to complete their assigned task until after november 6th. what do you bet? >> do you see this as an intelligence failure? do you see it as a willful misleading of the american public? do you see it as both or neither? >> i think it's either willfully misleading the american people, to interrupt the narrative we got bin laden and al qaeda's on the run -- by the way, al qaeda is not on the run. they are all over north africa and northern mali. they're doubled in iraq, et cetera. so it interfered with that rhetoric. so they're either misleading or the degree of incompetence and lack of acting on existing information such as the previous attacks on the consulate in benghazi, for example, is absolute total incompetence. >> senator mccain, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> always good to be with you.
we're also going to talk to senator mccain in a little bit about indiana republican senate candidate's comments on rape a abortion that have caused a lot of controversy. let you nose what you think. follow me on twitte twitter @andersoncooper. i'm tweeting tonight. the attack has become a campaign issue, of course. seems to have resurfaced over and over. so have inflammatory statements regarding abortion and rape i just mentioned. another candidate sets off a storm with his words. we'll talk about that. and we have raw politics ahead. [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense.
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raw politics now. another politician has weighed in on rape and pregnancy and once again the country is talking about it. another male senate candidate making waves at precisely the moment when the presidential race has become a fight to win female votes. so with that as the backdrop, here's what indiana senate candidate richard mourdock said during a debate last night. >> i struggled with it myself for a long time, but i came to realize life is a gift from god and i think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape that it is something that god intended to happen.
>> just moments later the story went national. by today both political parties were fully involved on a presidential level, and republicans, mr. mourdock included, were trying to do damage control. however, he himself was not backing down. >> i believe that life itself is the greatest gift that god can give us. and i know because polling shows it at least 80% of all americans, and i'm sure at least that many hoosiers think that god is the author of all life. and i stand firmly on that belief. >> he went on to say that those who twist his comments for partisan gain typify what's wrong with washington. democratic national committee did not twist his words today. they just played them in a new ad, tying them to mitt romney. ♪ >> this fall i'm supporting richard mourdock for senate. >> even when life begins in that
horrible situation of rape, that it is something that god intended to happen. >> for his part the romney campaign had this to say -- "governor mitt romney disagrees with richard mourdock and mourdock's comments do not reflect governor romney's views. we disagree on the policies regarding exceptions for rape and incest but still support him." the romney campaign also said it's not pulling the pro-mourdock ad it made. a short time ago i talked with senator john mccain about the controversy. made some news, and we'll bring that to you in just a moment. first, though, jim acosta traveling with the romney campaign. dan lothian is covering team oba obama. jim, the governor seemed to have some momentum then the later debate stalled some progress perhaps. we haven't seen a lot of poll numbers. now his team has spent a valuable campaign day on the defensive over this. does this story concern them overall? >> i think it does, anderson, and you can tell by the fact that senior romney advisers were really out of sight all day long. we did not see them at either of the big campaign events that he had today. in nevada and here in iowa. and i think this is what happens when the romney campaign has a
narrative, a news cycle that sort of gets out of its control. and we saw that happen earlier today. before they put out that statement saying what they wanted to do with that pro-richard mourdock ad and whether or not they would continue to support him, one of their top surrogates, new hampshire senator kelly ayotte, who was on his vice presidential list of potential running mates, she already went out and said that she was not going to be joining richard mourdock out on the campaign trail today and then shortly thereafter the romney campaign put out that statement, basically saying they still support him but they don't agree with his view on whether or not god intends for a woman to become pregnant after being raped. and anderson, this is really sort of splitting -- or threading the needle for this campaign. trying to distance themselves from richard mourdock while at the same time not throwing him under the bus. >> and i'm going to ask senator john mccain whether he still stands by richard mourdock, and you might be surprised what he said. dan, we saw the obama campaign jump on this pretty quickly.
do they plan to keep those attacks up beyond today? i mean, do they think this is something that has legs, that can help them? >> well, to the extent this continues to be part of the news cycle, certainly. they believe that this issue fits into the overall portrait that they've been trying to paint of mitt romney, that when it comes to women's issues, women's health issues, and them having control over their own bodies, that mitt romney and the republican party in general is really dangerous. as you pointed out, the campaign jumping on this right away. the traveling campaign spokesperson, jen saki, saying that the president thought this was outrageous, these comments were outrageous and demeaning to women. but it was really the dnc that was pushing this very hard today, putting together a conference call where they were laying out and trying to make this argument that mitt romney and the republican party would be dangerous for women and that women should be concerned about this as they head to the polls because this is the kind of thing that you'll see not only
with the republican congress but with the republican president. >> dan lothian, appreciate your reporting. jim acosta as well. ahead, what new polling from ohio shows and a shift in north carolina as well. could richard mourdock's comments about pregnancy and rain actually help decide the outcome? that's next. this isn't just a headache. trust me, this is new bayer migraine. [ male announcer ] it's the power of aspirin plus more in a triple action formula to relieve your tough migraines. new bayer migraine formula. yeah, you -- you know, everything can cost upwards of...[ whistles ]
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welcome back. more proof tonight just how dynamic the presidential race remains. a new "time" magazine poll shows president obama with a five-point lead in the pivotal state of ohio, 49% to 44%. additionally it shows mr. obama had a 2-1 lead among ohioans who have already cast their ballots. meantime, cnn has moved north carolina from the tossup column to lean romney. the latest wild card, as you saw, the comments of indiana republican senate candidate richard mourdock. senator john mccain made some
news on this when i asked him earlier if he still has -- well, if he still supports mourdock. >> do you still count yourself in his corner? >> it depends on what he does. i think it depends on what he does. if he apologizes and says he misspoke and he was wrong and he heed asks the people to forgive him, obviously i'd be the first -- you know, as i said, i'm not sure how big a mistakes i have made, but you know, in the years i've -- i've made a few, anderson, and i've asked for people's understanding and forgiveness when i own up to it. it's when you don't own up to it that people will not believe in you. >> the romney campaign as we said earlier has not withdrawn support for mourdock or pulled the pro-mourdock ads that they made. joining me is cnn political contributor alex castellanos. he was a political consultant on mitt romney's 2008 presidential run. and cnn chief political analyst, gloria borger. and women's rights advocate
sandra fluke. gloria, you've been talking to the romney campaign officials today. are they concerned at all? >> well, of course you are concerned about everything that happens at this point in the campaign. and obviously, they have an ad running in the state with mitt romney. they did not ask for it to be taken down. but i spoke with a romney senior adviser who said you know, they did some testing on this after the whole todd akin case in missouri and what they say they've discovered is that when somebody makes a stupid remark they're not going to blame mitt romney for it. so they're feeling like this is a story that's not going to have much of an impact on them. >> alex, you've looked into this kind of stuff in the past. you've done ads. do you agree with that, that this doesn't really have much of an impact on romney? >> this too will pass. it's more of a distraction. that's really the cost the campaign pays. instead of talking about the economy and jobs which is what mitt romney would rather be talking about, he has to spend a few hours discussing this.
>> but it's taken on a whole news cycle, basically. we've been talking about this all day. >> not for the romney campaign. they're going start talking about jobs and the economy again. it's fairly clear what mourdock meant. he was talking about life, not that god willed women to be raped. i mean, that's such a ridiculous comment that i think it's going to be hard for anybody to embrace. and right now we're at the point of the campaign, anderson, where all this hype is irritating voters and overhype is turning them off. it's the quiet voice now that will cut through and get attention. i think this kind of thing will blow over in just a bit. >> sandra, what do you i? the romney team is saying voters aren't going to hold their candidate responsible for what another guy said. >> well, i think voters are going to hold mr. romney responsible for his own positions. and for the positions of the members of the republican party like mr. mourdock. >> but mitt romney's position is different than mourdock's position.
>> that's right. his position is that he would appoint justices to the supreme court who would overturn roe v. wade. and his position is that he chose a vice presidential nominee who agrees with mr. mourdock and mr. mourdock is running for the senate, which has been the last stopgap between these radical policies in the house and these becoming law for women in this country. >> but just factually speaking, his position on abortion is different than mourdock's because he says in the case of rape or incest or life of the mother abortion should be allowed. >> he has said that. but he's also said that if mr. mourdock's position were to take hold he would be delighted to sign a bill that would ban access to all abortions. >> gloria, the gender gap, i mean, it does cut both ways here. romney's had a big advantage with men. could he build up enough of an advantage with them that women voters are not as decisive here? >> right. i mean, well, that's their hope, anderson. look, recent polls everywhere show that there is a gender gap,
that where women are much more geared towards the president. you look at this powell just put up there about ohio voters, and you see that obama is plus 19 on women here and romney is only plus 9 on men. so what he needs to do is to get his numbers up with men in a state like ohio so that the gender gap with women is balanced out. it's not that he has to beat president obama when it comes to women. but he just has to improve his numbers with women, you know, by a few points everywhere. and that's -- you know, that's proving difficult for him to do, which is why in the last debate we saw a more moderate romney. we've seen romney talk more about his family and his faith and education. you know, talking more about issues that women care about. >> alex, we are seeing some republican candidates distancing themselves from mourdock. to senator mccain earlier today
who you know, said -- i asked him if he's still in mourdock's corner. he said mourdock should apologize and whether or not he's still in his corner depends on whether or not he apologizes. if he doesn't apologize, i mean, does the story continue? does pressure on mitt romney grow? >> you know, if there were something substantive underneath it the story might continue but it's pretty clear what he meant. he was talking about a baby and life was god's will, not that -- god's will that a woman be raped. you know, anderson, looking at these surveys, this survey is a bit of an outlier. mitt romney has been closing the gender gap with women since the first debate. i think one of the things that's happening here is the obama campaign has had this very focused campaign of women are a collection of reproductive parts, that's the only thing they care about are these kind of issues as opposed to having enough respect for women to understand that guess, what they participate in the economy, they're the engine of economic growth, they're starting most small businesses in this country. and i think it's a little bit
demeaning to say that women only care about one thing and one thing only. and i think that's one of the reasons that obama's having a problem, an increasing problem with the female vote right now. >> let's be honest. both of these -- both of these campaigns are talking about issues they think women care about right now. because women are late deciders. women also go to the polls. so you know, both of these campaigns are talking about things they think women want to hear. >> sandra, appreciate you being on. alex as well. and gloria, thanks. >> sure. >> you probably saw felix baumgartner jumping, breaking the freefall record from the edge of space. he's going to reflect on that coming up. >> did it feel faster than -- like timewise-d it feel like did it go by very quickly or do you remember every sort of second of it? >> i remember every second. i was totally concentrated. i was focused. just trying to do the right thing. >> whoo-hoo! with the ability to improve roi through seo all by cob.
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new insight tonight on the man who set the new record breaking the sound barrier by sky-diving 24 miles, hitting speeds of more than 830 miles an hour from the edge of space. my interview with felix baumgartner in a moment. but first a look at his historic jump. >> sometimes you have to get up really high to see how small you are. i'm going home now. >> jumper away. >> and come home he did. we wanted to know what it was like up in the stratosphere looking down at the earth knowing there's only one way home. i spoke to fearless felix earl groer my "360" interview. >> when you opened that capsule door, and you were standing on the edge, looking down, what is going through your mind? >> well, it was a unique and
outstanding moment because i've been working so hard for five years to reach that point. it was a beautiful view when you look out there. but at the same time you realize that everything around you is hostile. plus when i disconnect my oxygen hoses from the ship's system, i only breathe oxygen from my bailout bought sxilz only had ten minutes. so there's not a lot of time to waste right on the exit point. >> i read that if you'd even gotten a tiny tear in your suit you that could have died, you could have been boiled alive. is that true? >> that's not true. i mean, i've been told if you have a hole the size of a dime it will still do the job. >> what does it feel like to be traveling more than 800 miles an hour? do you feel like you're traveling -- >> you feel you are fast because you accelerate so far but you do not feel that you're traveling at 830 miles an hour. plus you do not feel you travel at supersonic speed because all my scientists before, i've been told -- that told me that you're going to have a shock wave going through your suit. i never saw it. i never felt it. and the supersonic boom happens
way behind you. >> do you notice anything? >> i had no reference at all. never -- it still -- until i hit -- until i hoped my parachute i did not know if i broke the speed of sound or not. so when i touched the ground with my parachute, i've been told by a lot of people on the ground they heard the supersonic boom. so it's the first and only supersonic boom created by a human person, which is kind of cool. >> to say the least. and then there's this incredible moment when you're spinning and it seems like you're out of control. were you actually out of control? >> no. i knew from the beginning, or we knew from the beginning that you could not go off stable because there's a -- >> off the -- >> you cannot go off the capsule'll stable. when you step off you're going to spin. it's almost in a vacuum. no supportive air, and as a well-trained skydiver you use the air to stabilize yourself but the first 30 seconds you have no air. sought only way you can do it is you spin. so now you have 50 seconds to
control that spin. and you cannot practice this before because either you go for supersonic speed or not. so while you constantly spin you have to figure out the solution how to stop the spin. so i was moving my arms and legs but really gentle because you're still keep in mind you're traveling at 830 miles an hour so you cannot stick your arm out like this because then it becomes worse. so i was trying to figure out a way how to stop it. and once i had it i never lost it. >> for the entire time are you just thinking -- i mean, are you thinking second by second? or there's no point to -- no time to really enjoy it, i guess, is there? >> it was business. as soon as you step off it's business. because you know you have been working so hard to accomplish what we have to accomplish and there's no second thought about emotional stuff. you have to perform well. >> timewise-d it feel like did it go by really quickly or do you remember every second of it? >> i remember every second. i was totally concentrated, i was focused, just -- just trying to do the right thing. >> is there ever a moment of fear or worry?
>> well, it's not fear because my life was never in danger. if it looks like that for regular people, we have been doing a lot of testing before, you know. we have developed a lot of safety equipment to make this as safe as possible. so my life has never been in danger. the only worry i had is not breaking the speed of sound. >> also, your landing seemed perfect. i mean, you've seen people doing regular sky jumps, skydives, and you know, they collapse on the ground. your landing was amazing. >> i never thought about landing in my whole life because it's a natural thing on a skydive, but this time i was still worried about falling down, you know, because the whole world was watching. sow want to finish this, you know, with style. >> you want to stick the landing. >> and that's why i was getting a little bit worried when i was 30 seconds prior to landing and i still didn't know where the wind is coming from because you have no flares out there, no nothing. and my helicopter guys were supposed to drop some flares. and 30 seconds before landing i
still didn't see flares. that's why i was yelling at the guys over my radio drop some flares because i want to know where the wind is coming from. because i want to finish this in a perfect way. and then finally they dropped some flares. i could read the direction from the wind and i landed on my feet. >> i love that after all the stuff you've gone through the last 30 seconds you're worried about looking good on the landing. that's -- talk about finishing it well. i read also you that had panic attacks or a sense of claustrophobia in the suit. what was that like? what was that feeling? >> well, it happened in the beginning. every time when i was in the suit for almost an hour i kind of felt anxious. but i was fighting my way through. and then after all the test that's we did there was this big chamber test at brooks air force base in san antonio, texas. and i was supposed to spend five or six hours in the capsule. we took that capsule, we put it in a chamber, they cooled it down to what we experienced up there. they brought me all the way up to 129,000 feet inside that
chamber. and i knew this is a full dress rehearsal and it goes on for six hours. and i knew that i could not do six hours in this suit. so i had to address that. >> why? it's -- i mean, it's clauft roh phone snik claustrophobic? >> yeah. when you put that visor down, you're trapped in your own little world. the only thing you hear is your breathing, for hours and hours and hours. it's very stiff. at altitude it becomes pressurized. it's very stiff. you have a lack of mobility. and if you have negative thoughts, it's getting worse inside that suit. so i was working with a psychiatrist to get over that problem. >> and how were you able to get over it? >> mostly by thinking positive and outside the suit. if you stay -- >> that's interesting. >> -- with your problems inside the suit, it's like -- you know, when we work every day and we're busy, we do not think about stuff. but when it's getting silent around you you start thinking about a lot of things, and then this is where your worry starts. >> it sounds like being in prison almost. ? it i
. >> it is. it is like a prison. i started skydiving years ago when i was 16 because i love the freedom and now i'm like a bird in a cage. that's what the suit did to me. >> what do you do next? are you done? >> i'm going to break the speed of light. that's a joke. no, actually i think -- not i think, i know i'm done, because it's time to move on. so when i was young, when i was a little kid, had i two dreams. the first was becoming a skydiver. the second was becoming a helicopter pilot. i could never afford to take helicopter lessons. but i did back in 2006 at van nuys airport. now i'm a commercial helicopter pilot. and i'm going to put my skills into public service. i'm going to work as a firefighter or mountain rescue helicopter. >> that's cool. >> yeah. i'm still in the air. and that means this is where i want to be and this is where i belong. >> i wish you the best. it's incredible what you did. >> thank you very much. >> it was a pleasure to meet you. >> good talking to you. >> thanks. amazing stuff. you can see more of how felix pulled this off on "space dive,"
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time for the ridiculist. and tonight we're adding crazy carp. yeah, that's right. they're carp and they're crazy. here's the thing. invasive species of carp actually pose a big ecological problem in certain parts of the country. journalists have been covering this for a while. and recently a reporter for wsmv in nashville decided to head out
onto the water and grab the story by the tail. >> and look. they're big. this one is about 12 pounds but they can grow to be about -- [ screaming ] >> oh, no. >> are you okay? >> ouch. right? the poor guy she fell on as well. buff start tweeting me for make fun of her, you should know that the reporter herself thought it was fun pi. she's got a sense of humor about herself and tweeted out the video. no, i'm not going to make fun of her for wearing a dress on a fishing trip because frankly i'm not even wearing pants right now. we've actually had some experience with invasive carp right here on "360." a few years ago cnn's david mattingly did a story about them including how they can jump out of the water and hurt people. how did david find that out? take a look. >> ouch. >> there we go. >> that hurt! >> poor david. he was fine, though. but you can really get injured by those crazy carp and believe it or not we actually don't think it's funny when our colleagues get hurt. >> do it.
oh! yi, yi! stop! oh. it hurts. it's painful. but sno one's dead. >> all right. that still holds up. back to being a reporter, though, and working with wildlife you have to be careful not just with exotic species of fish but with cuddly little friends as well. >> a couple is accused of throwing two cats like this one here out of their car and killing them. now, as part of their sentence this little guy's having fun but now as part of their sentence the couple is going to have to come right back and -- >> i've seen that video so many times, i feel so bad for her. the reporter was fine as well. she thought the whole thing was funny. i don't think she thought it was funny at that moment but she came to think it was funny. underscores my point. if you're going to get into the glitzy world of television or attempt to work with animals do what i do and call upon a real star. yes, that's right. i'm talking about the horse that looks like gary busey. just look at that calm face.