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me. i want them to have their own identity and to be cool on their own. >> do you like better fielding or batting? >> i kind of like both. it depends really. like if i'm like real tired i like to hit really. >> really cute kids. prince will be playing first base. "cnn newsroom" continues right now. thanks very much i'm ashleigh banfield. danger comes with the territory but that does not come close to explaining an apparent vendetta on prosecutors in kaufman county texas of dallas. it was monthed ago when we brought you this video of hasse gunned down in the parking lot.
this was hasse's boss and how he reacted to it. >> i hope that the people that did this are watching because we're very confident that we're going to find you. we're going to pull you out of whatever hole you are in and we are going to bring you back and let the people of kaufman county prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. >> and that was what mike mclelland said back then but today texas law men, the fbi and many others are now also searching for his killer or killers. yes, of the man you just heard from, mike mclelland and his wife cynthia, as well. they were both found dead in their home in nearby forney, texas on saturday evening. for the moment the kaufman county sheriff won't say the killings are connected.
other officials will. some are seeking a potential link with last month's killing of the colorado prison chief. the main suspect there was killed in a texas shootout.
i'm going to stop here and bring in a former prosecutor who knows a thing or two about how dangerous it could be to prosecute bad guys. nancy grace joins me by telephone. as many years as a prosecutor i know you must know it is not an easy job that prosecutors do. do you see any potential coincidence or do you think this is becoming a targeted pattern? >> thank you for having me. good morning. i have always said, my entire legal career, there is no coincidence in criminal law. interesting the colorado prison chief was also killed. that gun has absolutely been linked up to a gun used in a
texas shootout. so the possibility that the texas murders are linked to colorado murders is very high. i do think there was absolutely a link in all three texas killings. and by all three i'm referring to mike mclelland, the actual elected district attorney, his wife cynthia both found dead in their home. and hasse, an assistant district attorney. interesting also there have been many comments that hasse never prosecuted arian nation who has come under suspicion as a gang. very often gang members are prosecuted alone like one gang member for murder, one for armed robbery. they could infuriate an entire gang. the more likely is that it is a single person acting alone.
>> so the harris county officials are now putting out the alert and protecting their own. harris county down in the houston area. i'm sure you will remember there were federal charges brought up against arian brotherhood members in houston last fall. my concern is like you said, they can be prosecuted individually. can they become members of the gang once they end up in prison? >> absolutely. it's some people think it is harder to try. if you go behind bars you can find out who has the kind of members of the gang specifically arian brotherhood has never been really secretive. they make no secret of their activities. danger to prosecutors has always reared its ugly head. i recall prosecuting for a decade in intercity america.
i had my tires slit on my car when i would get out of the courthouse. and my car windows would be bashed in. there was a time during a
particularly vicious homicide trial that i had my back door of my home kicked in, the alarm went off while i was in court. i had to move out of my home during several high profile prosecutions. sometimes i would be in hotels. sometimes i would stay with friends during those prosecutions. very often -- this is kind of silly, but i would get faxes of death threats from the jail or letters from the jail. those did not really concern me since the people were behind bars. >> or their friends. you are not working in a small community. there was some kind of budget to at least help you in protection. you look at kaufman county this pretty small comparatively.
what kind of protection was there for you and your colleagues prosecuting? and then compare that to what there might be for people in places like kaufman county. >> most of the time i would travel with my investigator who stayed with me during every case. i was with him for about ten years. he would stay with me, get me to where i was going and back if i wasn't driving myself. in a smaller jurisdiction you can have police protection but that's not going to protect you. who would think that someone would come into the home on the elected district attorney and open fire. and in atlanta the elected d.a. i served underway, he did not have police protection outside of his house. and he was the d.a. for 37 years. we routinely get threats. normally they would not be serious or we would not take
them that way. there is always the threat of danger when you prosecute. even now that i have been out prosecuting for many years i often run into people and pasthem and think i know him. he somebody i put behind bars. >> i'm sure that you heard mike mclelland in january with his very strident language saying we will find you. we will get you. and then ultimately a man who was known to have carried a gun just walking the dog is gunned down in his own home along side his wife. what is the chill effect here on people like you and others, prosecutors who do this for a living who know this is 2 1/2 months. how is this going to effect the people who try to put bad guys rai? >> you know, the merger and the
retaliation against prosecutors is nothing new. and when you take the job especially if you are one lit gators. if you are drawing up accusations or indictments there is less of a threat. if you are front and center in the courtroom trying cases, putting the bad guys in jail you are signing up for it. you know is that possibility. it is rare bud it does happen. >> how does it change the dynamic if they do catch someone and if they go for a criminal prosecution? is that official capital punishment? is that a capital offense? >> it absolutely will be a death penalty case. it absolutely will be. and not only for the person who
pulls the trouble. look for prosecutions in anyone who knew about the killings. they will be in line for prosecution, too. this killer will be caught. he is already -- >> you can get the death penalty for conspiracy. if this is something that has been hashed out of, say, a prison gang, and someone on the outside joined that conspiracy there are a lot of people that can face the death penalty. >> you are absolutely correct. it is harder to get a death penalty verdict from a jury unless you absolutely pull the trigger but they will be facing the penalty. and there is no place in the united states that is more likely to give you the death penalty than texas. >> when you have a case like we saw in january where mark hasse was gunned down and it seems like without a trace. there was so little to go on there except someone with a hood. and then a case like this where
there is an intruder. they know what kind of weapon was used. there are more forensics perhaps because there is this intruder. will it make it an easier case to solve? >> it will make both easier to solve and to prosecute it. that's a mistake that criminals make. they commit one crime and get away with it. and then another and then another and then another. if you can link the crimes. like the old equation if a is b and b is c then a is c. if he killed the first victim then you can get similarities and prosecute for all three. the more crimes he commits and he will commit more -- whether it is a murderer or robbery he will be caught. because he is leaving a trail all three killings can be linked back to him. >> what if it isn't just him or
it is a her and there is a group and it is tougher to trade. >> i hope it's a group because when it is a group somebody will blab. if they are acting alone it will be much more difficult. >> the minute you get one you offer the best deals to the first people to the tab so you can get to the hench men? >> hell no. i wouldn't offer a thing. i would prosecute every single one to the fullest extent of the law. that is the death penalty. for gunning down a lawman and his wife? a deal? over my cold, dead body. >> what if you want to get them all instead of just one? >> this is my saying and this is what i stuck with all of the years i prosecuted. sometimes you have to go to hell to get the witness to put the devil in jail. if you have to cut a deal you have to and there is no way out.
but i would try everything i could to put them all away either life in prison or the death penalty for gunning down a lawman and his innocent wife. >> nancy grace, it is good to see you. i thought about the fact that you knew the people in the atlanta courthouse who were killed. hopefully you and i will talk again on another segment. >> god willing. >> thank you ma'am. so the texas governor, rick perry, in this case is also expected to talk about the attacks later on in this hour. we will bring you those statements as soon as we can. i also want to get you up to colorado because the young man who is suspected in the theater shootings in aurora has been at the center of a lot of conversation over the death
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and this breaking news coming to us out of colorado. the suspect in the aurora, colorado movie theater shooting in which 12 people were killed and more than 50 people injured. at the center of your screen is going to face the death penalty. this is just coming out of the courtroom in colorado. james holmes had been at the center of a lot of conversation last week over whether a deal had been offered from his defense attorneys to plead guilty and spend the rest of his life in prison or whether the prosecutors would say we are going to go to trial no matter what and seek the death penalty. there you have it today out of that hearing the breaking news that they will seek the death penalty, that there will be a trial. they will not take a plea
bargain. an official plea bargain hadn't been registered. something much to the dismay of the prosecutors who felt this was a publicity stunt. breaking news out of colorado. that man will face the death penalty at trial. we are also following the jodi arias case. that murder trial gets back underway tomorrow. for some of you who are addicted to this case tomorrow is not soon enough. she is a 32-year-old woman in glasses. people are willing to drop just about everything to follow every minute detail of this case, just for the chance to see her in person they will drive across the country. what is it about the ora of david ariosto? >> reporter: to linda in washington, d.c. she is hooked on the jodi arias trial. >> i am addicted y. get home and
i turn my tv on. >> reporter: thousands of people around the country are watching the trial. some are showing up at the courthouse in phoenix like kimberly mcdonald who said she passed on a trip to hawaii to see jodi arias in person. i asked if we could come to the courtroom. she dragged her husband to the courthouse. >> i watch it every day starting at 5:00. >> reporter: why do they watch? >> i think it is the toxic relationship between the two. it is the mormon faith. >> reporter: and there is the graphic testimony. >> he is somebody that you could not stay away from sexually, right? >> yes. >> reporter: nude photos and phone sex. >> no one would believe that they would record these tapes and the pictures. >> it is graphic and quite frankly i tweeted about that. i said i needed to take a shower
after i heard some of it. >> you have new information in. >> reporter: ratings are way up for hln which is not only carrying the trial gavel to gavel but providing constant analysis going so far as building a replicca of a bathroom where travis alexander was killed. >> it is sex. it is the attractiveness of the defendant, the testimony. this case has it all. >> reporter: this, of course, isn't the first trial to draw high ratings. through were three o.j. simpson trials, michael jackson and most recently casey anthony. >> casey anthony did not have this. >> reporter: casey anthony did have a dramatic ending being found not guilty which sent some trial watchers into his terices. the verdict in this case is expected at some point later this month. when it does come hundreds of
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sometimes trials are won or lost in closing arguments. and that may be the case with jodi arias. her trial could end later this month. while we are wrapped up day to day in all of the testimony and nitty-gritty details, the lawyers on both sides are likely crafting what some of their last words to the jury are going to be. if closing arguments are anything like cross examination you know it is going to be good. >> ma'am, were you crying when you were shooting him snl. >> i don't remember. >> were you crying when you were
stabbing him? >> i don't remember. >> how about when you cut his throat? were you crying then? >> i don't know. >> well, you don't get to put the witness back up on the stand during your closings. it is all you and your words and words matter. in session correspondent beth karis is outside the courthouse in phoenix. beth, let me begin with you. you have been a prosecutor. how important are the closings? >> opening statements and closing arguments clearly are important but are not evidence. really what is important is what happens on the witness stand. the argument will put together whenever side is arguing their view of the evidence. if it resonates with jurors, if juan martinez says here is the evidence of premeditation they will go with it.
they will be looking for arguments to push them one way or the other. they are leaning one way or the other. it is human nature to kind of take sides. >> if you are dealing with a trial that is, say, a couple of weeks versus a trial that is a couple of months as jodi arias's trial is, aren't you dealing with a lot of fatigue, a lot of information and a lot of stuff that could be forgotten? don't you need to remind them everything. you need to remind them of every moment that was critical. >> that is the key right there. you're right. they have to really bring home the closing arguments but remind them of everything. there is so much information here but they have to find a way to hammer home their main point. so the key thing is going to be, for example, juan martinez has jodi arias on the stand. how do you narrow down her testimony to the most important detail and bring home that theme as to why she is guilty of
premeditated murder. the key is to not bore the jury but hammer home the point and bring home the argument on each side. >> keep it simple, stupid. just get to the point. when we worked on court tv together my partner said there was a great debate among that the opening statements or closing statements that you have to be really good at what you do. does that mean you have to be very dramatic or just catherine callawayi callawaying -- calculating as an attorney. >> it is very boring to read a prepared statement. you need to know your material and make eye contact with the jury. and just speak with passion, speak from your heart. if you believe what you are saying you will convey that to
jurors. studies have shown that about 85% of jurors kind of have their eyes made up. they can be swayed but the longer the case the more important the closing arguments are. >> there is something to be said about the last word. the last word and i'm going to take the last word to say thank you both. i'm going to have you back in a moment but appreciate your commentary there. there is a lot to talk aboutt about whether a woman should lean in or lean out these days. a woman is leading the discussion this week. her remarks are creating a viral fire storm. you will find out what she said in just a moment. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world up.
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are worthy of you. find a husband on campus before you graduate. find a husband on campus before you graduate. that is part of the letter to the editor of princeton student newspaper written by the mother of a current student. that letter, by the way, as you may imagine, has stirred up a heck of course of complaints. susan patten is a princeton graduate. they are both kind enough to join me now. let the fireworks begin. susan, i want to begin with you. some people wrote right away, is this a joke? i want to ask you on the record on television was this satire? >> not at all. i couldn't have been more serious. >> so the next question is, you had to know that the hackles would be up not just on the
women of princeton but women across the spectrum. you are suggesting a college kid look for a husband? >> what i am suggesting very specifically and you understand that this letter was intended for a very small audience, the audience of women on princeton's campus and a subset of that group, those women who are interested in some day having a traditional family, marriage and children. and my advice to them was take a good look on campus now for a potential life partner which is not to exclude pursuing a career but add this to your mission while you are on campus and have access to this extraordinary community of extraordinary people. get your world class education. make your life long friends. if you can find a life partner good for you. and the problem is that these --
>> i want to make it clear to our viewers. i read the piece. i got the feeling that you were saying this because in essence men may be okay choosing women who aren't as intellectually bright as they are but women aren't as comfortable with a mate who isn't at least at their level. nina, you have serious issues with this argument. what is the most important issue that you have? >> i'm not sure that this is what we should be telling young girls that they should be looking for in their college experience. i think it is important for young people to find out who they are and what they want unrelated to a spouse and unrelated to a future. girls need to know what they need to learn in order to be the women that they want to be. >> they are going to school at 18.
>> i don't disagree with any of that. i am suggesting women that graduate and then spend the next ten years focusing on nothing but career find themselves with nothing but career. for the women who want to be married and want to have children to be in your early 30s and have a great job and nothing else it becomes panic time for them. i am suggesting to those women who want marriage and family keep an open mind because the window of opportunity to find a mate and bear children is limited. men it is not. men can take virtually their whole lives to have families. women can't. >> you are a lot closer to this age than i am or susan is. and i'm not going to ask you to speak for your generation. how important do you feel having a spouse of equal intellect to
you is because that is what susan's argument comes down to? >> i understand that so many people it is incredibly important. i don't think that intelligence is the most important thing in the world. i don't think that the name on your university diploma means that you are just one of the smartest people out there. princeton, i love princeton. i met incredible people there. but i think that i have intellectual equals all around the world, some people who never went to school let alone princeton and i hate to think that princeton was this kind of special elite place that can't be replicated anywhere else. >> you are suggesting this is for the princeton audience and the ivy audience. >> for any woman who has
invested herself in academic achievement, any woman who has a sincere love of learning and a curiosity that will be with her for a lifetime. find a man who will not be threatened by your capacity for greatness. find a man who is at least your equal. all i was suggesting, the reason i wrote this is from a sheer numbers perspective the concentration of extraordinary people from which to choose your best friends and potential life partner, the concentration of that community will never be greater than it is during your under graduate years. of course you can find it elsewhere. from a numbers perspective. >> i want to bring in a colleague of mine who is a very bright woman. she is an accomplished attorney. she is listening. she was ready to be included in the next segment of the program but i get the sense that you
would like to comment now. >> i guess i'm going to say something that is probably not that popular but i agree, the most important decision that you make is the man that you marry. and that man is probably available in more abundance when you are in college and studying. and i mean, i married a very, very smart guy. he is an orthopedic surgeon. he is my best friend and he is my intellectual equal. it gets better and better because he isn't threatened by my career, because he is my best friend and we are growing together. i have many friends that did it the opposite way. either they didn't make it or they had trouble because men feel, some of them, that they lose their man card when their wife is more successful. >> one thing i want to read to you that was point number seven from nina in response to your letter is this.
my younger son is a junior at princeton. nina's question to you was after the piece that you published are you quite sure of that? i want you to respond to that. >> fine. i think that's a universe of potential marriageable young women on any campus or any other school of outstanding academics reputation is endless. not only is the pool of women they can marry endless but the time within which they can make that decision and start having children is endless. i have classmates who are first time fathers in their 50s. that is not an option for women. >> our eggs get old. >> we have a limited period of time not only to find that best friend, that mate but then to
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video video. you can hear the little boy crying in this tape. and to make matters worse -- that little boy is a special needs child, a special needs child. the woman in the video has been charged with stalking. authorities say she verbally attacked that child leaving him scared, crying and according to the police department this is not the first time that she has harassed the little boy. they say she has done it several times even threatening at one toi point to take that child home with her. this was the easter weekend. a lot of people away. we did make the overture and have not had a response. i want to bring in my legal
panel. former juvenile court judge is with me. glenda, let me start with you. i mean, honestly. the first question i have is stalking. i don't understand that charge as opposed to a harassment charge. >> i was really baffled by that, as well. i was looking that up. i don't understand why she was charged with stalking as opposed to harassment. why has this gone on multiple times? this is not the first time that this has gone on multiple times. i think it is absolutely outrageous. and also not just harassment, why wasn't she charged with assault because it is alleged that she actually caused the child's head to fall over into the window. this is just awful. >> so can you weigh in there? there are a lot of legal issues obviously. sometimes assault is just words
and not physical contact. >> how about abuse? you can commit child abuse without physically touching someone. i suspect often times when prosecutors first bring cases they bring charges they believe they can easily meet under the guidelines and then you see additional charges being brought as the investigation goes on and as the videos get looked up and as the child is interviewed. so i suspect that we will see more charges. we will hear more charges. i think the good thing about it is we now have these video cameras. >> you would think so. this video camera was set up in november. that's four months ago at the very least. why on earth would it take more than four months to actually arrest someone and charge someone when you have the evidence or at least this
evidence? >> i don't understand it. i think this is actually outrageous because we have been told that allegedly this has happened several times. i am wondering if they have been called in in the separate investigation. i am disappointed that it is taking this long. thank goodness we now know and there have been charges brought. >> does it make a difference that this 5 year old, i can't imagine this happening to any 5 year old let alone a special needs trial. does that trump up any potential charges? >> i think the standard for child abuse is different. you have to look at the particular child. and so certainly i think it actually enhances this case and it enhances the charges. and i would suspect that anyone that sees this kind of evidence. i am just thrilled that there is
this kind of evidence. you don't need the child to testify when you have this. this video i suspect that because the child is a special needs child there will be an enhanced type of charge that we will see. >> we will continue to watch there. i'm curious as to whether there will be civil charges brought against the school system because these are employees. why didn't they do something sooner? i think we are going to see layers of actions here. >> and maybe civil charges against the accused herself. you never know how deep the pockets are. >> she is sure lucky that wasn't my kid on the bus. >> oh, boy. >> they would have to be getting >> sonny is close to me, too. thanks to you both. i do appreciate it. stay with me, as well. an arkansas neighborhood has
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arkansas, are looking out their front windows this morning at a major oil spill. and by major, i mean thousands ofallo several homeowners knee-deep in slick mess after a major pipeline ruptured. 26 homes had to be evacuated. a major oil company saying we regret that this incident has occurred and apologize for any disruption and inconvenience it has caused. speaking of the cause, the cause of the spill is unknown at this point and it's under investigation by federal, state and local authorities on the site.usually bring up this expression in cases like this, bring your wheelbarrow to pick up your cash when it comes to whatever kind of civil litigation. is this one of those stories where those people are going to get a lot of money? >> it's hard to tell, you've got
state, you've got federal, you've got a lot of entities that are going to investigate what happened. this is exxonmobil, they are schooled in this sort of thing. bp didn't know how to handle it. this is a company that came out in front of it immediately, sent people there because they know how to deal with this type of crises, so we're going to see certainly a containment of this issue and if they need to pay people for their injuries, i suspect they'll be able to do that because they're prepared to do that, they have a history and they'll be able to handle this kind of thing. >> the pictures we're seeing the cleanup crew onsite and the possibility response, but people are talking about the long-term impact. how does litigation factor into that? >> it's going to be a big factor. i agree with sonny, if they can
contain this and legitimize this, but now we're looking at the water in the lake nearby being contaminated and of course are there other streams, are there water sources, does this sink into the well water in that area if there is some, so i think it's right to say a that it is much too early to tell, but i think there are a couple of things, we have to remember and we don't think about it until these things come up, that there are millions of miles of pipeline that we just don't think about all over this nation and this particular pipeline was built in the '40s. so there's a question about corrosion, so i think there are a lot of issues that will flow from this particula incident. let's hope they canontain it quickly. >> what about all the other parties? how do you find out who might be to blame? what sort of investigation does the actual plaintiff have to bring into the table, sonny, do
they have to do something to establish who's going to pay? >> assuming there are plaintiffs. >> if you're looking at your yard like that, i'm assuming there will be a plaintiff, right? >> we have seen this sort of belief before, we have seen this with bp, we have seen this with exxonmobil actually and when there is this kind of action, an investigator is set up, there's a fund set up for people to sort of pipe their complaints through and because we're deal with this kind of company that has this kind of experience. i don't think the plaintiffs will have to do their own investigation. i suspect this is going to be a very transparent process because they have not only learned from "exxon valdez," they have also learned from bp, a pr nightmare when a company didn't know how to deal with this kind of situation. >> when gas prices are so expensive, free oil. i'm societotally kidding, lets clear about that. by the way, this story is
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26 points at least. but we have a lot of time to go. in the meantime, i am sure you at least are talking about this or have heard someone else talking about this, a gruesome, there's really no other way to put this, a really gruesome injury on the basketball court leaving teammates horrified, some of them actually in tears, coach as well. louisville player kevin ware is recovering this morning after breaking his leg in yesterday's march madness game. he's in the top middle, he's about to take a jump and land and we had to blur it. there's no other way to tell you this. it was so awful we had to block his injury. but you can see how his tell reacts ow bad that injury actually is. because it was astounding to the players. but the teammates and the coach really having a tough time with this. actually a couple of players falling mid court, unable to
deal with what they witnessed. pretty remarkable. it is not often that you see something play out like this. wow. cnn's jared greenberg has more now on how this really shook up the entire stadium. >> a trip to the final four on the line, the game, oh, so close. 6:33 left in the first half. louisville guard kevin ware leaps to contest a shot on the perimeter. then the unthinkable. water lands, he breaks his leg, a horrific open fracture of his right tibia. players were stunned. >> oh, my goodness. >> fans in shock. a rare sight, a coach visibly emotional. louisville's rick bettino wiping away tears. time stands still as medical personnel stablize ware. >> it was a gruesome sight, nothing like i