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pictures that show the city returning to business as usual. this city was on a virtual lockdown for almost 24 hours as they tried to find that one suspect and they eventually found him in a boat. there you go. the city, one of the largest metropolitan cities in the country on virtual lockdown. now, getting back to normal after losing millions and millions of dollars in revenue and tourist money. here is what we know right now in this investigation. we have learned a short time ago that the suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, now will not face criminal charges until tomorrow. even though massachusetts doesn't have the death penalty, he should face the death penalty under federal law. >> this is just kind of case that it should be applied to. in fact, the only other time it has been used since '94 is on timothy mcbay. given the facts i have seen, it
would be appropriate to use the death penalty in this case and i would hope they would apply it in federal court. >> reporter: there is growing evidence today that his brother, tamerlan tsarnaev had become incredibly radical. this video of a radical jihadist was posted and then removed from his personal youtube channel. he created it in august shortly after an extended visit to russia. there are increasing questions about how the fbi handled its investigation of tamerlan tsarnaev. they did not follow up after that trip to russia last year. the very latest on the investigation from our crime and justice correspondent, mr. joe johns. joe joins us from washington. joe, no charges today for sure. does it have anything to do with the fact that they haven't been able to talk to him. >> that's an interesting question. you are right. it could be soon for the charges. it may be important to say that
the authorities are reporting that they are not able to interview the suspect. he is in serious condition at the hospital but important also to say, don, that not is being able to interview a defendant hasn't stopped the feds from filing charges before. it could still happen. that's a pretty common practice, because sometimes defendants have lawyers who intercede and say investigators can't talk to this defendant. it is not that different a situation necessarily, don. >> we have heard about a number of different charges that could happen including federal charges, murder charges. what are some of the likely charges that he might face, joe? >> well, we've heard as recently as yesterday that authorities were contemplating a terrorism charge most likely, something related to use of a weapon of mass destruction. it is certainly a possibility of a state murder charge there. the use of a firearm and commission of a felony,
conspiracy certainly possible, because authorities allege that this suspect actually worked on this crime with his brother. so just a whole barrage of potential charges. i'm sure i haven't gun to name all of the potential charges the suspect could be facing, don. >> joe johns, thank you very much. >> reporter: we are learning more about the suspect from the russian republic of dagistan where they once lived. alleged boston bomber, tamerlan tsarnaev had video on his youtube channel. nick, what can you tell us? >>. >> reporter: certainly, investigators have been trying to establish any kind of link between these bombers and extremism. he posted and removed link to an extremeist allege etly down here
in southern russia. is there a connection between this gun fight involving militants and police in dagestan and one of the boston bombers? the youtube page of the deceased brother, tamerlan tsarnaev. there might be. he put up a video. it was removed but cnn has now found it and it shows this man. abu dujan is the name used by an islamist militant. russian special forces hid his hideout last december. an armored car brought in to kill as much as six militants inside including delagato. the heavy hand used to kill them. four months later, the marks
remain for the tit for tat violence. in the dust lies a question, why is his youtube page linked to the militant who died here. in a town where he lived and the tamerlan visited just last year. where inside you can see how intense the violence must have been against this apartment. it could be the clearest link yet between one of the alleged boston bombers and the violence that's been gripping southern russia. >> a u.s. intelligence source told cnn that the social media accounts are being examined for possible links to extremists . none of this means that tamerlan tsarnaev met abu.
why was he posting that video from a town where his father lived where he visited in 2012? something investigators may be looking at with regard to what history there may have been with extremism from that alleged bomber. >> reporter: so, nick, let's talk about his time in russia. what do you know about that? >> reporter: a limited amount. there is a window between 2002, 2006 when he could have been here or coming and going from the united states and kaziksta in. . we know from talking to a shop keeper that i have wills opposite his father, that he went to stay with his father for a month. we don't know what he was doing really for the rest of the time while he was there. he has relatives in chechnya, many other things that could possibly have happened.
that surely must be what investigators are looking at given some of the suggestions of radicalization that krcrept in the past few years. >> reporter: at this point, with he don't know why these two brothers decided to carry out this bombing together. nobody can ask them. one is dead and the other is badly hurt and unable to speak. cnn did talk to the brother's uncle who lives in maryland. he knows who made the decision. >> he used his younger brother. he wasted his life. i understand he messed up his own. i don't know what was going on there. he messed up his life. that's why he decided to take lives of innocent people, hurt innocent people. i believe he has been full of evil. maybe he turned to be evil himself, entirely confused.
>> reporter: cnn's brian todd has done a lot of reporting from here in boston. he joins us now. you talked today with someone who knows the younger brother personally. what did she tell you? >> reporter: well, don, we are trying to piece together the relationship between the two brothers. from this friend and neighbors and others, we are getting pictures of two brothers that were alternately close and not so close. the friend of dzhokhar tsarnaev. she was a lifeguard with him in the spring and summer of 2011. she really liked him, gave no indication of doing something like this. she said they would jump off the diving board and race in the pool together. she did not meet the older brother but when i asked her to characterize the relationship two the two brothers and what the younger had to say about the
older, here is what she had to say. >> i always got the sense from my conversations with dzhokhar, that maybe they were just two different people and that dzhokhar was trying to establish himself and create his own life. there was an effort to create some distance between himself and his older brother, because they didn't see the world quite in the same way. the gentleman har that i know, that i knew, could never have been capable of something like this. so there had to have been another factor, something outside. >> reporter: rose also told us that from speaking to friends of the two brothers, she got the impression that the older brother, tamerlan tsarnaev, was more intense. a neighbor hold us today that up until about three years ago, the entire family lived together in that one small apartment on norfolk street in cambridge. the parents, the two sisters,
the two brothers and even tamerlan's wife and child came to live with them. the neighbor hold us that he observed tension in the family when they all lived together at once but that the tension dissipated when the parents and sisters moved out. he thinks that was about three years ago, don. >> brian todd, thank you. that's what most people have seen out on the street in almost a week behind brian todd who is in boston, not far from where we are. we want to go live to the hospital, beth israel hospital, in boston. where the younger brother, the only surviving bombing suspect is in serious condition. our senior medical correspondent, elizabeth cohen, is there right now. we are told that dzhokhar tsarnaev cannot speak. his throat is injured. what have you learned about his condition and when he might be able to talk? >> i think it is probably going to be a while. he is in the intensive care
unit. he is sedated and intubated. they have put a tube down his throat. when patients like this are sedated rkts th sedated, they are out of it. it is as if they are asleep. they might grunt. they might move a bit. really, they are out of it. he would not understand a conversation or anything that was being told to him. don? >> reporter: we keep hearing, elizabeth, that he is in serious condition. that means he is stable, i would imagine, and expected to survive, correct? >> it is difficult to know how stable or not stable he is. the only official word we have gotten is serious. we haven't been told stable or anything like that. serious means that he is acutely ill. he is seriously ill. however, he is not in critical condition. critical condition would mean
his life is on the line. he could die at any time. serious condition is a step down from that, not quite that severe. >> reporter: just looking at the hospital, i've been watching your reports all day. it kind of looks like a place for a high-profile patient to me. there is obviously very high security where you are. >> right, don, there certainly is very high security. there are police officers at every door we have seen. our affiliate, whdh, says the suspect has put in a separate area within the icu and he has two guards and he is handcuffed to his bed. like many big city hospitals, this hospital is accustomed to having suspects, to having inmates come in for medical procedures. this is not a foreign concept to them. they have done this before. >> reporter: elizabeth cohen, thank you for your reporting. still unclear on all of this.
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the investigation into these bombings moves forward. a lot of questions surrounding the fbi's decision to interview the older of the two bombing suspects in 2011. agents talked to him but never took any action even after tsarnaev took a six-month trip to russia. we want to talk about that with our regular political analyst, mr. elsie granderson and anna alvaro. first of all, i want you both to listen to some of the comments this morning, by congressman, peter king, republican from new york, talking about the fbi a
handing of this case. >> this is the late tefst in a series like this. now, this case with the older brother where the fbi is given information about someone as being potential terrorist. they look at them and they don't take action and they go out and they carry out murders after this. again, i'm wondering, is there something deficient there? what went wrong? >> he wants answers from the fbi. l l.z., others are making similar points. do we need to look at how the fbi is handling cases like this one? >> that's a fair question to ask. i want to be careful playing monday morning quarterback. everyone can look back now, 2020, and say everything that everybody else did wrong. september 11th is what, 11, 12 years ago now. he has only rattled off five names. i took a look at the fbi's counter terrorism website.
they apprehended seven people in the month of december alone. we don't hear about that, because the terrorists are stopped before they are able to go through with their intent. that's an important distinction between us finding out things that happened and us finding out things that never happened. if you look at the things that never happened because of the fbi, i think there is a lot to applaud. i would be careful about bashing the fbi about this. >> anna, are you worried that questioning some, second-guessing the fbi, could turn into a political football? >> don, i can't even stand the word politicses in the midst of this discussion about boston. i think it has no place. i don't think it is political. i think whether you are a republican, a democrat, a libertarian, a humanitarian, a ross ta fairian, you have questions as to what happened. they are natural questions. when you do question what may have happened in a bureaucracy like the fbi, let's begin by
saying i think we all agree with congressman king. we respect and are grateful for the work of law enforcement, particularly this week, whether it be local, federal or state law enforcement. that being said, they are human. mistakes sometimes are made. of course, it raises questions when you hear that the government of russia alerted us about this man and he was under questioning, was investigated and nothing happened. if there are questions that can lead to improving the protocol, to improving the process, to maybe catching a bad guy before he does heinous terrorist acts, i say, let's go through the process. we're all going to learn from it. >> we've been talking about the weapons that these guys had. you know the gun control debate is coming into this. l.z., the centers failed to advance gun control that would have ics panded background checks and closed the gun show loophole. on friday, some gun rights activists said that the boston lockdown with residents warned
to stay inside and not to answer their doors to anyone but police, they said it was a perfect justification for owning a gun. are we done with new gun control efforts and does this story, what's happening here, play into that, l.z.? >> no, we are not done with it. i think we just had the first step that was a misstep. to be quite honest. i know a lot of people may not like this. i was kind of glad the bill didn't go through. i thought it was a toothless bill to begin with. it didn't address the things that we needed to address. if we are basing this off of what happened in newtown, nothing in that proposed bill was addressing how that played out. before we start throwing things out to the trash and saying, let's move on, we have to remember, we didn't come up with anything to address what happened in newtown to begin with. we didn't talk about anything in terms of mental health, beyond rhetoric. that whole private sale element of the bill which you could have private sales without having a background check, that made the whole thing toothless.
i am glad it didn't pass in some ways, because we are able to try to continue to work toward slg that made sense. as far as having a gun in the household, i agree with the gun rights advocates. i think that's a good thing to have but that's not what we are talking about. we are not talking about your second amendment rights. we are talking about curtailing violence. >> quickly, would you like to respond to that? >> i think l.z. is right. i think it wasn't the right approach for dealing with the aftermath of the newtown tragedy. also, look, the white house took ownership of this bill and they forgot a key component, all politics is local. this was a fight that had to be given and done locally and some of those where democrats voted against it and, of course, republicans voted against it. i think if we had -- this is a piece meal approach for what is a comprehensive problem that requires a multi-faceted solution and that needs a lot more selling and a lot more
educating toward the public, it was done too fast. it was the wrong approach. it was piecemeal. it didn't address newtown. it was handled incorrectly from start to finish, unfortunately. i would have liked to see it pass. >> yeah. >> ana navarro, l.z. granderson, thanks to both of you. we have lots of news outside of massachusetts to talk about. we are going to get you caught up on all of the headlines next on cnn [now arriving: city hospital] which is why we're proud to help connect our students with leading employers across the nation. [next stop financial center] hoo-hoo...hoo-hoo.
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moments this week. poisonous threats in the form of letters sent to president obama and a u.s. senator. each tested positive for ricin, a third letter stoent a judent in mississippi is being retested. paul kevin curtis is in jail in mississippi. he vehemently denies the allegations. he is not aware of any illness as a result of the letters. after the boston bombing, some say work on an immigration bill should be delayed. republican senator, dan coats, of indiana, says that congress should wait until the emotional reaction to the bombing subsides before debating immigration. the two brothers came to the u.s. legally from the russian caucasus region. the younger brother immigrated with his parents in 2002. the older brother came later. the younger brother became a u.s. citizen last year. for the boy scouts of america, gay scouts might soon
be allowed to join but not gay scout leaders. that's the proposal from the scout's executive committee. a final proposal is expected to be presented to the boy scouts voting members at their meeting in dallas in may. let's go back to boston now. don? >> thank you, victor. we'll check back in with you. investigators have a lot of questions for the boston bombing suspect who is still alive. they can't talk to him yet. he is still recovering in the hospital. he could be charged while he lies in the hospital bed. stay right here for more of our coverage from boston. i don't want to pour over pie charts all day. i want to travel, and i want the income to do it. ishares incomes etfs. low cost and diversified. find out why nine out of ten large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus, which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal.
welcome back to our continuous coverage of the boston bombing. there you see copley square where they are opening up more of the back so lives can return to normal as much as possible. a federal law enforcement officials tells cnn that investigators believe the tsarnaev brothers purchased their bomb components locally but that their guns came from elsewhere. gun traces we are told are still ongoing. the justice department says no charges will be filed today against dzhokhar tsarnaev in the boston attacks. they said he could be charged with both federal terrorism charges and state murder charges.
we continue to learn more about his brother, tamerlan tsarnaev, who died in friday's shootout. last year, he created a youtube channel with links to chech chechynian radicals. >> federal prosecutors are prepared to move forward with their case against the surviving boston suspect. we are hearing questions about his older brother's six-month trip to russia last year and his family ties to chechnya. they are wondering could he have been trained or radicalized by jihadists. more questions are emerging about the boston bombing suspects. did they do enough to learn about one brother? now, who questions the younger
brother. >> he should be designated as a potential enemy combatant and we should be allowed to question him for intelligence gathering purposes to find out about terrorist organizations that he has knowledge of. >> reporter: lindsey graham says the enemy combatant designation would allow them to question dzhokhar tsarnaev without a lawyer saying none of that information could be used against him. dianne feinstein argues question can happen for a limited amount of time without calling him an enemy combatant. it let's investigators question a suspect about any imminent threat. >> i am not worried about whether they can convicted. the question is, what else would they have been up to? who are their associates? how did he become radicalized? is there a chechynian connection. that's what has to be discovered. >> reporter: there is also
debate about tamerlan tsarnaev shot dead during the manhunt. they interviewed him at the request of russia and dropped the matter after asking for more specific information from russia the fbi never received. >> why is this fbi interview important? because if he was on the radar and they let him go, he was on the russian's radar, why wasn't a flag put on him. >> reporter: michael mccall says he and fellow republican, peter king, want answers from the fbi. democrats have questions too. >> why wasn't he interviewed when he came back, either at the airport when he was returning, or later? what happened in chechnya? >> a lot of questions. emily, do lawmakers feel like the fbi dropped the ball by not interviewing the older brother after his trip to russia? it certainly sounds like it. >> that phrase, dropped the ball, is exactly what we heard lindsey graham talk about on one of the talk shows today.
he said he wanted to know how the fbi or the system dropped the ball when they didn't have an interview with tsarnaev when he came back into the united states. a lot of the lawmakers were saying we don't want to monday morning quarterback this. we are not necessarily putting the blame on the fbi. they said they also have some tough questions that they would like to hear some answers to based on this unfolding investigation. don? >> emily snmith, thank you very much. worshippers filled the largest church reflecting on violence that began nearly a week ago. members of law enforcement took part in the service at the cathedral of the holy cross. four large photos of the people killed were prominently displayed behind four lit candles. cardinal o'malley said, in the midst of the darkness of this tragedy, we turn to the light of
jesus christ. ♪ ♪ ♪ with every step i take, let this be my solemn vow ♪ >> reporter: elsewhere, a group of christian, jewish and muslim leaders gathered near the line in a show of support. the area remains barricaded. while the bombing suspect recovers from the hospital, the investigation is heating up. we'll find out how prosecutors plan to make their case. that's next.
gunshots. we're with police right now. we're trying to stay back right now but we are surrounded by police. we are seeing police running, guns drawn. we have heard multiple gunshots. i'm actually standing behind the car right now tichlts not a good position to be in. the officers are putting on bullet proof vests. we have police running, all guns drawn around me right now. there are probably 10 different cruisers and officers getting out of their cars, guns drawn. they are running all around me right now. when we pulled up, the car stopped around here. i heard probably 28 gunshots. i'm just staying down. i never in my life have been in a situation like this. >> reporter: unbelievable. the legal case against the surviving suspect just now beginning as both federal and state authorities tried to build
their case. joining me now from new york, in session correspondent, beth care r careas. let's talk about this possibility designating the suspect an enemy combatant. talk to me about that. >> i really don't see that right now. we don't have all the information. if this is something broader than these two individuals working alone in the united states, then they are not enemy combatants. i would argue. however, if it is something more global, if they are working in conspiracy with others in another country shall maybe so. enemy combatants are basically unlawful combatants. usually, there is some sort of war going on. these are at least one american citizen committing an act on american soil against americans. it might be a stretch right now. however, we don't have all the facts. so we need to keep the possibility open. >> is this going to be -- one was thinking. it may not be, though. just looking at this as a lay
person, that this would be a slam-dunk for the prosecution. what does the prosecution need to do here, beth? >> listen to what they have right now. they have physical evidence of the explosive device. they have photograph and video of the one defendant now carrying a device. there is an eyewitness of his brother placing the device right next to him. one of the victims of the bombing. there are statements that they allegedly made to the man whose car was car jacked admitting that they were the boston bombers. it looks like ample evidence for a grand jury, for example. you don't only need probable cause to charge them at this point. you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt later on. but when dzhokhar can finally go to trial and be prosecuted and can communicate with his lawyers, i suspect his lawyers are going to say he was influenced by his brother and he was less complicit. however, he carried one of these
devices and placed one of these devices. so i think it is a tough road for a defense attorney in this case. >> reporter: i was just thinking about this as you said that, being influenced by his older brother, because he was 19. where when swup omeone is trieda minor, do you know what it is? >> usually, it is 17 or 18. he is 19. he is not considered a minor. he is not a minor. he is young to have a criminal record. >> he is just outside of it at 18. i was just wondering. it is just a question i was wondering here. >> that will work in his favor. that works in his favor. that's what, i anticipated your next question. sorry. >> you mean the death penalty. is that what you are talking about here? there is not a state death penalty here. he is going to face federal death penalty charges, we are hearing the possibility of that. >> yes.
there is a possibility. because a weapon of mass destruction, the charges carry the death penalty. his age, 19 years old, no criminal record, is a factor to be considered in his favor to mitigate against the death penalty. so that works in his favor. however, there is plenty that works against him. >> beth karas, reading my mind anticipating the next question. we really appreciate it. coming up, much more on the developing story here in boston. plus, another community dealing with tragedy today. victims of that deadly fertilizer plant explosion are being laid to rest. we will check in on the church service is. if you think running a restaurant is hard, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores.
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a second wave of people who live near the site of that massive explosion at a fertilizer plant in the town of west texas were allowed to return home today. residents who were lucky enough to still have homes began returning yesterday. wednesday's explosion flattened the north side of the small farming town heavily damaging a nursing home, schools and neighborhoods. 14 people were killed. hundreds of others injured. authorities still don't know why it happened. straight ahead, the role of sports in boston's healing. when bombers targeted the city's marathon, the cities fans and teams rallied to their cause. is we learned a lot of us have known someone who's lived well into their 90s. and that's a great thing. but even though we're living longer, one thing that hasn't changed: the official retirement age. ♪ the question is how do you make sure you have the money you need to enjoy all of these years. ♪
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moment at wednesday's boston bruins hockey game. the bruins' first home game after monday's attack. the soloist let the crowd take over and sing the national anthem. a rousing and heartfelt show of support by and for the people of boston. certainly very moving there. and we saw more of that spirit yesterday. when the red sox returned to action. the one and only neil diamond showed up in person to sing sweet carolina's song usually played at red sox home games. ♪ sweet caroline >> the game featured pregame tributes to first responders, law enforcement, and a moment of silence for those who died. i want to talk about this extraordinary time in boston. and how sporting events played such a central role in all of this. terence moore is in atlanta, sports contributor to cnn.com
and columnist for mlb.com. it's good to see you. the bombing disrupted the boston marathon, you know, but you could argue the bruins and red sox have helped the city begin to heal now. tell us a little bit about how this city embraces its sports team. it's a big sports town. >> well, don, you're exactly right. and in that respect, the bombers picked the wrong city. because, you know, we look at boston, and the sports teams and sports events, they're almost synonymous with patriotism. the nfl team, the patriots. when does the boston marathon take place? takes place on patriots day which is something that's symbolizing the first battles in the american revolution. then you look at the boston red sox. babe ruth starts where? the red sox. which it can't get any more american than that. you would expect nothing less than bostonians to react the way they have the last few days. >> absolutely. you know, we should note, too,
that the texas rangers are collecting money and donations for victims of west texas explosion. and minutes ago, major league baseball announced it's joins the red sox to donate $600,000 to people affected by the bombing. let's look to the future here. will this week's bombings, you think, have a lingering effect on the rest of the sports world? >> people are going to look over their shoulders, law enforcement people, athletes, coaches, fans. i tell you what, don, you hope it goes back to the old world war ii thing in england where they had placards made up saying keep calm and carry on. we saw a lot of that today at the london marathon. people went about their business doing what they were doing before. and matter of fact, they said it's the largest london marathon crowd in six years. but here's the problem, though. it will never be the same because particularly at major events because you know coming up in the next few weeks with the kentucky derby and the indianapolis 500, the organizers
of those events, they've probably had a lot of sleepless nights here the last few days. >> yeah. i tell you what, fenway park yesterday, i mean, it was like a ceremony at church. very uplifting. people needed it. and it was good to see. terence moore, always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> thank you. all right. you know, he is the best american marathon runner to race in boston. now more than a decade after retiring, bill rogers is lacing up again. when he comes back, when he makes his comeback. i'll get thoughts on monday's attacks and the plans to get, for a big return to boston. excuse me. we'll be right back. oh, no, no, no...i'm sorry, but this is all wrong? i would never say that. writer: well what would you say? gecko: well i'd probably emphasize the savings. ya know...lose that green with envy bit. rubbish. it's just a reference about my complexion. writer: but the focus groups thought that the... gecko: focus groups. geico doesn't use focus groups. uhh...excuse me.
you guys should really sit down and watch this. it's an honor for me to interview this next person. the man who knows the boston marathon better than anyone. he won the race four times. two of those times breaking the american record. bill rogers hasn't competed since 1996, but in the light of last week's attacks rogers is now, he's coming out of retirement right now to run in next year's marathon. he joins us now live from boston. you did run, in 2009, right? >> yes. >> and you haven't for a while because of your health? >> yeah. i actually retired at the 100th anniversary of boston. i ran the marathon 23 years. i've run in five continents. i've done a lot of racing. >> yeah. >> so time to take a break. >> so you're planning on doing it next year? because of this?
>> yes. and because just about every runner i know wants to run boston next year. it's going to be a huge race. and i think it's going to stand as a symbol of what maybe we can only run, but that's something. >> yeah. you know, the president said, you know, we may fall, but we get back up. you know, it's like the 79-year-old runner, the older runner who ran. he was talking about this time. but we get back up and keep running. he predicted next year's marathon would be bigger and better than ever. you're making that same prediction. >> i definitely agree 100% with what president obama said. you know, it's -- but it really wasn't something about the marathon. it was more of a spirit of the american people and the way we are. and he made that very clear. i think boston, the oldest marathon in the world, we want to keep it going. nothing will ever stop it, i don't think. and we're going to have a great day in boston next year. >> where were you when you heard about it? >> i was actually at home with my girlfriend, karen. we had gone for a run. but my daughter d