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she gave an interview after her conviction. arias said she would rather die than serve a life sentence. but the question is does she mean that or is she trying to manipulate the jury. we'll talk about that. we begin, though, with the breaking news here in cleveland. and authorities have released the 911 dispatch call that sent the police to the house behind me 2207 seymour avenue. >> i have a female on the phone who said she has been kidnapped ten years ago and at the location now. the code one account is 0149-0149. >> copy. is she still on the line? or did she hang up? >> she is still on the phone right now. she is saying that the male is ariel castro, a 52-year-old hispanic male who lives at 2207 seymour, and he has been holding
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her here for ten years. >> the others in the house -- georgina dejesus might be in this house, we found them. also. we found them. we have a female who has a young child with her. >> make it two. we also have a michelle knight in the house, and i don't know if you want to look that up in the system, but 32 years old. >> you can hear some of the cries in the background, some of that audio. new video just released that was shot today at the cleveland justice center of ariel castro, the owner of the house, charged with four counts of kidnapping. three cases of rape.
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police say that they will not charge his brothers in the case. there are a lot of new details about what life was like for the last ten years. cnn's pamela brown joins me now. what are you hearing from the sources? >> anderson, we're hearing that ariel castro would test the girls. over the span of the decade, he would attempt to leave the house, and stick around to see if they would attempt to flee. if they attempted to escape, he would discipline them. we don't know the extent of how he disciplined him, but we know he did that to instill fear. on monday we're hearing from sources that amanda hit her breaking point. somehow she knew castro had left the house and she used that opening to escape. >> is it known where they were kept in the house all this time? >> we know they were kept in separate areas in the basement, and that most of the time they weren't together, but that they still at times were able to rely on each other as one source said rely on each other for survival, and they were taken to the garage in a couple of times at least.
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>> also, anything about their cycle condition or what they went through? >> well, it's interesting to note here, anderson, as we heard the audio there that amanda berry ran out of the house. but the other two actually stayed in the house. we don't know why, but it's safe to assume talking to experts here that they were fearful and that you have to think about it. this is a decade that they have been trapped in this house. all of a sudden the door is open. you never know how you're going to react in that situation. >> and we're going to talk to some experts and one woman who has been through similar circumstances. held captive for a long period of time. about the psychological impact this can have and how quickly one can be dependent on the captor. appreciate that, pamela brown. we will hear more of that. today also we had much needed joy, a lot of joy. two of the rescued women. gina dejesus and amanda berry actually went home. amanda arrived at her sister's home, escorted by authorities in a van.
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it pulled up behind the house, and well wishers from the neighborhood cheered from the street. berry was obviously missing for a decade and she gave birth to a child inside of the house and that child is now 6 years old. a few hours later, gina dejesus was greeted outside the home that she was not been in since 2004. she gave a little thumb's up and whisked inside of the house. she was just 14 years old when she vanished and now she is 23. imagine what it is like stepping inside of that door. we are joined by a friend of the family he was at the house when gina came home today. what was it like to be inside that house? >> thank you for having me. >> what was it like to be in that house? >> joy, happiness, everyone was smiling, and it was a normal life. >> did you think this day would come? >> oh, my god, i didn't know it was going to be this far. i was out there helping in search for her.
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my god, i never -- it was like an angel that came down from the sky and brought her out. >> how did she seem? >> she seemed happy. >> happy to be home? -- it is like an angel came home from the sky. and brung her down. >> i don't want to invade your family or privacy, but how did she seem? >> she seemed -- happiness. happy. happy to be home. ate ice cream, and people was happy and everybody in shock. >> it's got to be just a reminder of how important it to keep hope alive, when in those dark days that other people were given up hope. family members were out there. >> i was out there hustling and on the rail road tracks for nine years, ten years. i have been with felix, and keeping him up, and push, push to the finish line. >> he is a great guy. i met him. he kept this family together. >> yes, he kept the family together, and he is a fighter. >> yes. >> and gina is a big girl, and she is a lady.
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she's an angel. >> all right. >> and she is a fighter and stronger than you and stronger than me. >> i don't doubt that to get through that. >> i will tell you one thing, it is up to god, and god is number one. it is jesus christ and like i go the church everyday on sundays and i pray for the people everyday. >> i know this is a family of strong faith as well that helped them get through this. william, appreciate you joining us, thank you so much. william burgos. just ahead, we have video of ariel castro who was grilled by police on a traffic stop, and we will show you what happened in the encounter and would it have made a difference if he had been arrested which could have been in that time. also ahead, just hours after she was found guilty of first degree murder, jodi arias is making some surprising statements. what as she saying as her lawyers prepare to fight for her life. playing a game?
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welcome back. the search of the home behind me over there is finished for now. the story, though, unfolding here broke open in west cleveland on monday when amanda berry decided to break free with her daughter, screamed for help from the front porch of that house that had been her prison. one of the men who heard her escape was charles ramsey. he made it clear he wasn't the first person actual to hear berry's cries for help. he talked about another neighbor who he saw running across the street. that is what got his attention. >> i heard the girl scream, saw him run across the street. i went outside, wondered what he was doing, and amanda say, i'm
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stuck in here, help get me out. so he -- either don't know english that well or panicked. he just looked at me and it was like it's a girl. that is all and i here i come with my half-eaten big mac. and i say, what's up? >> that other man was angel cordero. we now know. here's what he has to say about what happened. >> translator: i looked toward the front door of the house where the kidnapping was. i saw that woman screaming, asking for help. she couldn't open the door, i looked over. i crossed the street and i went to ask her that the house was on fire. she said, no, i've been kidnapped for ten years. and so i pulled the door but it was locked with a chain. so i tried to open the door but i couldn't, so i had to give it a few kicks. if you see, the house has two doors. she opened the inside door, but the glass door, the one on the outside that's the one that had the chain. so when i tried to open the door, it had the chain and i couldn't open it so i kicked it.
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several kicks underneath, she managed to escape from underneath the door. she remembered the little girl and went back inside the house, she took the girl and came out. when she came out with the girl i said, let's get out of here, if that guy arrives, he's going to kill us. if he finds me here, he's going to kill me, he'll kill you. she crossed the street and came to this lady's house and used the phone. if that lady hadn't managed to come out to the door, the kidnapping would have continued for years. >> that was angel cordero and you heard from charles ramsey. two neighbors who helped end the nightmare in the house taking place behind me. tonight we are hearing for the first time charles ramsey's 911 call. >> cleveland, 911, police ambulance and fire. >> hey, bro, i'm at 2207 seymour west 25th. check this out, i just came from mcdonald's, right? so i'm on my porch eating my little food, right. this broad came out, and she said that her name was linda
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berry or some [ bleep ], and you know what i mean, bro -- >> sir, sir, you have to calm down. what street? >> seymour. >> is she still in the street where did she go? >> i am looking at her. right now she is calling y'all on the other phone. >> is she white, black or hispanic? >> she is white, but the baby look hispanic. >> and what is she wearing? >> like a little wife beater, sweatpants. >> do you know the address she was was in? >> 2207. i'm looking at it. >> i thought that was your house? >> no, i am smarter than that, bro. i am telling you where the crime was, not my house. >> sir, we can't talk at the same time, do you want to leave your name and number? >> charles ramsey, r-a-m-s-e-y.
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>> are there other people out there in the house? >> i don't know, bro, i was just came from mcdonald's. can you ask her if she needs a ambulance? do you need an ambulance or what? she needs everything, he's in panic, bro. she's been kidnapped. put yourself in her shoes. >> we'll send the police out. >> cleveland's police chief said charles ramsey deserves a reward, a lot of people, a lot of good people here helping out. local leaders are praising them for their efforts as they should be. earlier i spoke to cleveland's city councilman about what he's been hearing about what happened inside that house. what else have you heard about the investigation? what can you say? >> well, i just heard about an hour ago, that apparently a report of the incident has been leaked. i've not been able to read the report, i don't have a copy of it. but from what i gather from talking to this source there's some things that have been clarified in the report that we've been hearing from
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confidential sources within -- i guess i'd call it the official employees that have dealt with the victims. particularly once they were saved and then in transport to the hospital. so i think a lot of it deals with, you know, the conditions. i know the miscarriages have come up in the rumors of that. it is apparently been confirmed that there were multiple miscarriages, that the physical duress they were put under actually caused the abortion of children, you know? it's pretty gruesome and pretty savage. >> local media had been reporting based on local law enforcement sources they had yesterday. where is the information you have coming from now? >> i've been told by a source that i have, that actually has a copy of the report that some
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of this type of information in fact is contained within the report. very graphic and detailed information. >> i believe earlier in the day you said something about the birth of amanda berry's child, the circumstances of it? >> well, we know from several sources that michelle knight was forced to assist with that birth. that it ostensibly occurred within a small pool of some sort. and that miss knight was actually threatened with her life relative to the success of that birth. >> if amanda berry's child was not born successfully, it was -- that michelle knight would suffer? >> yes. this is our worst fears that 24, 36 hours ago of only imagining the horrors and the savagery of the mental and the physical duress they have been put under. >> you talk to people in the neighborhood and there's some
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criticism of what they say have been missed opportunities. do you find that? >> i really question it. we all question why it's taken this long. to find them. and for them to escape. a few things i can point out on the physical aspects of this layout. these two properties that are before that crime scene, they've been vacant for a long time. >> they're boarded up as well. >> yes. >> when you hear this guy's windows were boarded up on the ground floor, it sounds unusual, but when you see two houses next to it are also boarded up. >> in terms of the complaints, we have a robust police dispatch system. when the calls come in, they're logged in. could there be human errors, sure. i'm confident in the police's abilities when they confirm that there's only been two or three calls from or about that address. the problem with that is, people may have called, if they didn't give the address, if they didn't give proper information, it would have been logged
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incorrectly. we run into this all the time when residents call about issues. if they're not using common sense protocols, it won't get recorded. >> councilman, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. the cleveland police chief said ariel castro has waived his miranda rights, and he has been talking with investigators, sharing details. here again is the new video of castro today at the cleveland justice center. he is facing four counts of kidnapping and three counts of rape. his brothers will not be charged in the case. ariel has been stopped by the police in the past. martin savidge has obtained video of him being grild in 2008. it's fascinating to see this tape. >> it is. let me give you a bit of background on it. this is dashcam video, it's taken from what is supposed to be a routine traffic stop, would have been a routine traffic stop except for the person stopped is ariel castro, and we know according to the authorities at the time that he has three women supposedly prisoner in his home. okay. take a look at the video, it's rolling video that comes from
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the police car. it is june 12, 2008. it's about 8:30 in the evening. officer jim simony rolling along. he notices that a motorcycle whizzes past. you see it real quickly. what he notices and you don't in the video, is that the motorcycle had a license plate that looked suspicious. so he pulls into the gas station and pulls the man over. here's where it gets interesting. the conversation, how polite castro seems to be. how nervous he seems to be. well, there may be a very good reason for that. listen to the interaction. >> let me see your driver's license? >> excuse me? >> let me see your driver's license. >> what's wrong? >> first off your plate is improperly displayed. it has to be left to right and not sideways or upside down. the other question is, why are you riding it? you don't have a helmet on, a tlons operate it. you're subjecting yourself to being arrested. is that what you want? >> no, sir, i don't. he doesn't want that to happen, because he's a school bus driver, which he brings up.
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and tells the officer because he's in a lot of trouble. the officer could have arrested him, didn't. wrote him two tickets and let him go. the last the officer saw of him was castro pushing his bike the mile home to seymour. and that is where the women were being held. >> and had he been arrested, unclear what would have happened to the women inside? >> that's the haunting question. i asked the officer, he said, you know, he's glad he let him go, for this reason. had he taken castro and locked him up, then what he thinks is that those women and now a newborn child at that time, would have been in that home without food, water and no one knew that they were there. >> you grew up in this area, spent a lot of time here. you know the impact that -- the disappearance of these women had on this area. >> yeah. i did. i mean, i come back and forth and i knew and followed the story. the whole community was wrapped up. that police officer, he had gone out on searches for these women
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and here he was talking to the man who had them. i mean, it was personally felt, it was deeply felt, it went on for years. >> it is extraordinary the connections between the castro family and the dejesus family that ariel -- excuse me, regina dejesus was best friends or close friends with ariel castro's daughter. >> and this brings up what everyone talks about, the missed opportunities, were there missed opportunities. they talk about law enforcement, did law enforcement miss connections there? and did the families miss connections and did the neighborhood not see things quite how they were. >> and ariel was on "america's most wanted" talking about the disappearance of her friend. she said she was the last one to actually see her before she disappeared. >> and the uncle was out there canvassing the streets trying to find the girls when the nephew had them.
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>> and there were articles written that referenced regina's mother. so many question, and there is so much more that we don't know what these three women have been through and we won't know until the stories come out, but we want to look at the psychology behind the relationship that often developed between kidnappers and victims. we have heard of the stockholm syndrome, and we want to talk about how quickly that relationship can happen. we'll talk to a woman who survived a hellish situation. also, jodi arias guilty of first degree murder charges. she spoke on camera right after that verdict, and we will is that for you.
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some interesting statements
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tonight from jodi arias, just moments after a jury found her guilty of first degree murder in the death of her boyfriend travis alexander. ted rowlands has the report. >> -- do find the defendant as to count one, first degree murder guilty. >> reporter: >> reporter: jodi arias had very little reaction in the courtroom to the guilty verdict. but minutes later, she did an interview with phoenix television station ksaz. arias says she understands why the jury didn't believe her, because of the lies she originally told investigators. but she maintains that she didn't plan the murder of her ex-boyfriend travis alexander. >> there was no premeditation on my part. i can see how things look that way. but i didn't expect the premeditation. i can expect the murder because the way the law's written. but the whole time i was fairly competent i wouldn't get premeditation, there was no premeditation. she also said she hopes the family of travis alexander will
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be able to find peace. when the verdict was read, his sisters broke down with emotion. >> they're happy, we'd rather have travis back, but we can't have travis back, so with that said, this is a good day. >> reporter: the guilty verdict means jodi arias is eligible for the death penalty and arias says she hopes that's exactly what her sentence will be. >> the worst outcome for me would be natural life. i would much rather die sooner rather than later. longevity runs in my family and i am healthy and i don't smoke, and i would probably live a long time, so that's not something i'm looking forward to. i said years ago that i would rather get death than life, and that still is true today. i believe that death is ultimately freedom, and i would like to have my freedom as soon as i can get it. >> well ted rowlands joins me live from phoenix. the same jury now immediately tomorrow starts to begin the next phase, correct? >> yes, anderson, a two-pronged
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penalty phase. first they'll have to decide in their mind, can the state of arizona move forward with the death penalty. if they say yes to that, it will be up to these four men and three women as to whether or not jodi arias is sentenced to death. >> we don't know if she was trying to manipulate the jury with reverse psychology, but it seems like prison officials are at least taking them seriously. >> yes, right after that interview, right here in maricopa county, sheriff joe arpaio put her on suicide watch. because of that last sound bite that you heard where she said she would rather get the death penalty than live her life in jail. at least for now, she's on suicide watch in the maricopa county jail. >> all right. ted rowlands, appreciate the reporting. joining me live criminal defense attorney mark geragos who is co-author of "mistrial." also, former l.a. deputy district attorney marcia clark
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author of "guilt by degree." mark, your reaction to this verdict, you've been saying all along the defense was focused on making sure jodi arias isn't given the death penalty. what happens now? >> well, i think clearly, all they were doing all along was trying to get this jury to not give her death. and this is not unexpected. in fact, it's interesting. they had on the verdict form the ability to say premeditation, felony murder, or felony murder and premeditation. and they split 7 to 5 on that. i think that they're leaning right now towards not giving her death. but frankly, i understand what she's saying. i mean, if you're in her position, you'd rather have death. you -- what's the point of getting life without -- you don't get all of the automatic appeals, you don't get any of the death penalty apparatus, it makes sense to me, but ultimately, i think the verdict was completely expected. >> mark, some are saying she was using reverse psychology, she really wants life in prison.
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and so she thinks maybe the jury is going to try to punish her as harshly as possible so they're going to try to give her what they think she doesn't want. is that true? >> well, you can have a double-reverse psychology. i don't understand why she would want life without. she loses all kinds of benefits by not being a death penalty or sentenced to death penalty. frankly, i've had these cases, and clients have always told me i'd rather have the death penalty than life without parole for a variety of reasons. you get more resources when you are sentenced to death. it is part of the reason that the death penalty apparatus or machinery is broken in america, and why this case was such an exaggerated form and kind of a hyperbolic example of the death penalty machinery being broken. >> marcia, this next phase starts tomorrow for the defense. is it all about trying to find
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one juror who does not want to give her the death penalty? >> well, at the very least, that, anderson. now they're moving into the aggravation phase where they're going to show proof of cruelty, and that's what will justify a death penalty verdict. whether or not they can persuade 12 people, this will be their crucible now. of course, it does have to be unanimous. if they don't have a unanimous verdict, a unanimous jury saying that it was cruel, then they're not going to even wind up in the penalty phase. they will have to declare a mistrial and convene a new jury that will simply vote only on the penalty and whether the aggravated factor of cruelty has been shown. >> so, mark, how do you go about that as a defense attorney? do you try to track down her
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third grade teacher saying she did nice thing or something like that? >> yes, and the family and things like that, but they have frontloaded this. the entire guilt phase of this case, from, you know, watching from the outside, i see it is designed to save her from the death penalty in my opinion. putting her on the stand for that period of time. and 30 years i have been doing this and i don't know if marcia has seen anything like this, but i've never seen a defendant in a death penalty case be on the stand for 17 or 18 days. it's just unheard of from my perspective. so i think they were always looking for the penalty phase of this case and, you know, i think that they probably will prevail on that. if she does get the death penalty, there is a perverse logic to it for her. from her standpoint, she gets kept under much better circumstances if she's sentenced to death than if she gets life without. >> marcia, do you think she'll go back on the stand during this phase? >> you know, she can, anderson. if i were her lawyer, i don't
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think i'd let her back up. 17 days, mark is right about that, that's unprecedented and i've never heard of a defendant being on the stand for that length of time in a case like this. but they could put her back on if they believe she could do herself some good or show some remorse or something that the jury has not seen. i don't believe she can, so that is why i would not put her up there. i don't want the jury sitting there examining the fact that she can't show remorse, and she seems cold-blooded. and she may even pop out with something like, you guys didn't believe me, but i really didn't premeditate, which would only make the jury angry. i think it's a dicey move, but the family, put the mother on, the sister on. that usually helps to humanize the defendant. >> i think the fact that she gave this interview to the local station tonight, i think that's calculated on her part. i think when she says, i want death, i don't want to live. i have longevity in the genetic history so to speak, that is calculated on her part. >> it certainly didn't seem to
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be something that the lawyers wanted her to do. >> exactly. >> sorry. i think that the lawyers were arguing about that. >> do you see that often, giving an interview immediately after giving a conviction, have you seen that before, marcia? >> never. i have never heard of it, i'm surprised the sheriffs let her do it. that's what shocked me. what are you doing? what is going on? you remember the show "chicago." this is feeling like "chicago" all over again. and now she's going to be famous and -- >> and marcia, remember who the sheriff is in this county, who is in my opinion a complete clown. so, you know, that's a whole different issue. >> we can go on like that for like hours. >> yes. okay. another time. mark geragos and marcia clark, thank you for being on. >> sorry. >> no worries. as we reported at the top of the program, we have new details about two of the women not
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fleeing when they were held captive. the question people always ask in this situation. why didn't they run, if there were opportunities why not? the reaction was not unusual. we have learned so much in recent years about what happens to people in captivity. you all heard of stockholm syndrome. we'll talk about it. more details ahead. >> announcer: you never know when, but thieves can steal your identity and turn your life upside down. >> hi. >> hi. you know, i can save you 15% today if you open up a charge card account with us. >> you just read my mind. >> announcer: just one little piece of information and they can open bogus accounts, stealing your credit, your money and ruining your reputation. that's why you need lifelock to relentlessly protect what matters most... [beeping...] helping stop crooks before your identity is attacked. and now you can have the most comprehensive identity theft protection available today... lifelock ultimate.
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as crowds gathered outside the dejesus family this afternoon, waiting for gina to return they warmly greeted her with cheers and balloons. it was a day that many had prayed for and worked hard for. no doubt it was a day some people never thought they would see. gina's father never gave up hope. >> i'm the one that kept this family together. i'm the one that had the heart and soul to fight to see this day. because i knew my daughter was out there alive. >> as it often happens, a lot of people wonder why the women couldn't try to escape. as we reported at the top of the program, we learned from authorities that when amanda berry made her getaway, the other two women could have run out, but they chose not to. the decision to stay, according to law enforcement source
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reflected their state of mind. sources say they were brainwashed in a sense, fearful from their years in captivity. that reaction was not unusual. it even has a name. we're learning more and more about what can happen and how quickly it can happen. relationships between a captor and a captive. here is randi kaye. >> reporter: kidnapper and victim, a relationship that can be one of the strangest and strongest in human psychology. and it may be just what the three girls kidnapped in ohio relied on to survive. >> it's a very primitive, almost child-like attachment that develops. they come to know that their very survival is dependent on keeping this person happy and satisfied. >> reporter: forensic psychologist chris mohanda has studied cases involving cases like stockholm syndrome. he says kidnapping victims like those in ohio bond with their captors in a matter of days. stockholm syndrome got its name during this bank heist in stockholm, sweden in 1973. when the hostages were freed,
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they kissed and hugged their captors, two refused to test against them. perhaps the most famous case involving stockholm syndrome is patty hearst. the newspaper heiress was 19 when she was kidnapped in 1974. she was imprisoned and sexually assaulted but later robbed a bank with her captors and remained on the run with them for more than a year. >> you come to a point where you believe any lie that your abductor will tell you. >> reporter: often in cases like these, people ask why didn't they leave? why didn't they escape? they must have had the chance? our expert says, the victim is usually so overwhelmed by the situation, they're unable to strategize. they feel powerless and feel if they anger their captor it could mean death. for 18 years, jaycee dugard was held by a convicted sex offender, locked away in a secret backyard shed.
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he forced her to have two children with him. >> it is a fake little family, but it is a necessary illusion that she has to have in order to live day to day. >> reporter: dugard spoke about it with diane sawyer on abc. >> the mind manipulation. plus the physical abuse i suffered in the beginning. there was no leaving. >> elizabeth smart, kidnapped from her utah bedroom in 2002 never tried to run either. she was found after nine months. shawn hornbeck who vanished in 2002 in missouri stayed with his captor, too, for more than four years even though the police say he was free to play outside, even sleep at a friend's house. for all of the victims, escaping the monsters who took them isn't nearly as easy as it may seem. randi kaye, cnn, atlanta. >> joining me now is laura cowans who counsels victims of this type of violence.
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she knows first hand what they've experienced. she was a victim herself, held captive for four years by a polygamist husband. beaten, tortured. she was held in a garage at one point for six months, i spoke to her earlier. can you explain what makes somebody stay? because that's the question so many people sometimes don't understand. >> i know. so many people ask, why do women stay? i'm quite sure the women were threatened, i was threatened. he probably threatened them, the child. family members if they left. >> law enforcement says there were beatings he would do trial runs where he would leave, pretend to leave, if it looked like he tried to get out, he would surprise them and beat them? >> exactly. that happened to me several times also. >> really? >> oh, yeah, definitely. victims like that go through a survivor mode. you know what i mean, i think it's called stockholm syndrome, where they relate to the captor and really they're just trying
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to stay alive. >> it happens pretty quickly from what i understand, people kind of accept their new circumstances. >> yes, that's a psychological trauma, they do. they see there's no hope. they go into a depressed mode. post-traumatic stress disorder. i'm surprised and glad the girls made it out alive, a lot of women do not make it out of situations like this. >> you finally -- in the end, started writing letters, writing letters, keeping really close notes to all the abuse that happened to you. you finally slipped a note -- and the guy who was keeping you took you to the post office and you slipped a note to the postal worker. >> exactly. i started writing those notes that i had a bad feeling i wasn't going to make it through. at least if someone found me they would find the notes on my body. and, yes, when he took me to the post office, i was able to slip it to her. she made eye contact with me, i made eye contact with her. she knew something was wrong. >> and that's really critical for people who -- as these stories emerge, we often hear
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people have suspicions. with shawn hornbeck, people asked him, are you shawn hornbeck. and he would say no. >> people need to get involved if they have a suspicion. thank god for mr. ramsey, he got involved, he helped them girls get out. he could have turned an ear, shut the door. they would have still been in there. >> and angel cordero who is actually the first man who ran across the street. that's incredible. and getting -- you built a new life. >> yes. >> do you -- that process is a long time. >> yes, and even with the girls, because we went through intense therapy, with me and my children and it took me a long time to use my voice and come out to talk to other women, and once i did, i saw it was helping and i started volunteering with other organizations and it was a healing process for me. >> thank you, laura. >> thank you, mr. cooper. >> thank you, with that amazing story. shawn hornbeck was abducted when he was 11 years old, held captive for four and a half years before he was rescued.
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women in cleveland are facing as they try to move forward with their lives after their ordeal, but one of the people who can is shawn hornbeck. he was kidnapped in missouri in 2004 and he was captured and held for four years. in 2007 was found along with another abducted boy. who had been missing for four days. after they were found gina's parents were interviewed. by a local television station at the time. gina had been missing for three years then. take a listen to what they said. >> it is a miracle that they found these two young boys. i cried almost all night. >> that gives us all of the other parents now more hope. to stand up stronger. and never give up that hope. never. because you never know. >> well, they never gave up hope, and today, gina is home with her family, and i spoke to shawn hornbeck earlier. and before we talked i agreed
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not to ask him about what happened in captivity. out of respect for his privacy and the recovery, and i also spoke with his parents. craig and pam. when you heard that gina's family had hope after your rescue, to never give up, what goes through your mind? >> it shows that people are watching and my story has really touched some people in ways we could hope that it did, and it just makes me so happy. >> pam, how important is it, and how important is it to keep hope alive while your child is missing? >> for me it wasn't all that difficult. i always felt like i had that connection to shawn. i always told myself that if he had passed on or something bad had happened to him, i would know it and i would feel it, and i just never got that. and then also, too, when you're in a situation like we were in, you either decide that you're going to be on a dark side or you're going to be on the lighting side. and i just chose to make sure that we stayed on the light side.
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>> shawn, i heard some people talk about, how when someone goes through something like this, an abduction of this nature, of this kind of length, that some people may never recover. you say you don't believe that. talk to me about that. >> well, it really depends on the individual and how much support they get. from day one, my family was there for me, to let me know that i was safe and i was okay, and i had nothing to worry about no more. to me, that's what helped me out the most, was knowing that i had their support and everything was going to be okay, and i didn't need to burden myself with it. >> craig, i remember in interviews after shawn returned, that you were saying that it was important to kind of let him talk to you in his own time. is that something that you would recommend the parents of these young women that the family members of these young women that the peppering with the questions is not the way to go about this? >> oh, yeah, absolutely not. try to refrain from discussing
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anything related to the case. our feeling is, that's going to perhaps make them withdraw more because if they're not ready to talk about it, they may not want to even be around you because they're afraid that you're going to bring up something that you're uncomfortable with. when they reach the point that they're ready to talk about it. one day, you know, they're going to walk up to you and say, you know, i'm sure you've got some questions, and if you want to sit down and talk about it, we can. we know that is one of the things that happened with us. we just really caution everyone, friends, family, even the media, not to throw out all those questions. we know everybody's curious and everybody wants answers but now's not the time. answers will come, there's no rush. it's been ten years, we don't need to learn all these details tomorrow, maybe never. only when they're comfortable talking about it.
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should they come out with it. >> and how are things now, shawn? how's your life now? >> my life now is pretty fantastic. you know, i work a 40 hour a week job. i mean, just your are standard 21-year-old. got my bills that i pay, nothing real special. >> he says that he's nothing special. but, you know, in our eyes and i'm sure a million other people's eyes he is special. i do -- i am proud of what he has accomplished since he has been home. and that's one reason why we're doing all these interviews. is to let other victims out there know that there is life after this. that you can go on, you can feel that love again. you can feel that trust. and for the families that are still out there of missing children. it gives them hope that their child may be gone for a year, two, four, ten, you just never know, but they can also too come home. >> there is light at the end of the tunnel for some families out there. pam, shawn and craig, i appreciate talking to you.
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thank you for taking the time. >> thank you. >> thank you, anderson. >> it's hard to imagine the mental torture parents go through with their children missing for years. in 2003, shawn hornbeck's parents went on the montel williams show to get information from a self-professed psychic sylvia brown. take a look. >> here we go again with the wooded areas. so southwest of you. >> is there any landmarks around? >> yes, strangely enough, there are two jagged boulders which look really misplaced, because everything is trees and all of a sudden you have these stupid boulders are sitting there. >> he can be found there? >> he's near the boulders. >> is he still with us? >> she said he was dead. years ago, amanda berry's mother turned to sylvia brown on the montel williams' show for help and again brown told the mother that her missing child was dead.
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>> so you don't think i'll ever see her again? >> yeah, in heaven. on the other side. >> thankfully, for both families, we know silvia brown was wrong. she released a statement today saying, for more than 50 years as a spiritual psychic and guide. when called upon to help authorities with missing person cases, i've been more right than wrong, if ever there was a time to be grateful, this is that time. she could have put out a statement saying, i have no shame whatsoever. we will be right back. hmm, it says here that cheerios helps lower cholesterol as part of a heart healthy diet. that's true. ...but you still have to go to the gym. ♪ the one and only, cheerios
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that does it for this us. thanks for watching. suspected kidnapper and rapist ariel castro awaiting arraignment this morning as horrific new information emerges. how did castro allegedly lure three young women into his home and keep them captive for over a decade? we have the disturbs details. and home at last. kidnap victim amanda berry and gina dejesus reunite with the family that they were taken away from for so many years. finally, a verdict in the case that has captivated millions. jodi arias is guilty. and a shocking admission by arias has prison officials on