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this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. tonight, breaking news. live from tornado alley, we've got more exclusive video of a large twister forming right now in oklahoma. >> just stop anywhere right here. it's coming straight at us. look at this shot, dude. look at that mesocyclone. >> got to get my camera. >> a spectacular wildfire north of los angeles. more of that later in the show. and breaking news on the ricin case. the fbi says it made an arrest and are searching for another letter, this one addressed to the cia. i'll ask former new york top cop bill bratton how dangerous is all this. also, law and disorder. on the docket tonight, what could be a turning point in the $40 billion michael jackson death trial. and break in the news. you've heard the headlines.
now my guests sign off on attorney general eric holder. should he stay or should he go. are we making maybe too much of some of these controversies. also tonight, boston's favorite sons, james taylor and donny wahlberg at tonight's star-studded concert for the boston marathon victims. lot to get to but i'll begin with breaking weather news. tornado alley at risk again tonight. joining me is cnn's chad myers in oklahoma and wabc meteorologist amy frieze and storm chaser jeff petrowski. chad, what is happening right now? >> reporter: we behind me now have a new tornado warning. you have to understand we're on a special kind of signal here. we'll have a small little delay, maybe three or four second delay so this will go back and forth between you and me. right behind me there was a tornado forming not three or four minutes ago. the funnel tried to get to the ground but didn't quite get it. we are near paul's valley, oklahoma. if you are in the paul's valley
area, you need to take cover right now, because that funnel could come to the ground. something else i think you should see, piers, is that there are cars and trucks on i-35 right here driving right straight into this storm. they don't really know that this storm is ahead. they just saw that lightning flash, clearly, but they don't understand that there's a tornado warning right in front of them. now, there are apps that you can buy for your cell phones, for your smartphones, that will tell you that you are driving into something like this, because your smartphone knows where you are. the smartphone knows where the tornado warnings are. they put those two things together and all of a sudden, you can be a much safer driver with those apps, the mobile apps for your smartphones showing you the potential for what's happening today. not only are these storms potentially tornadic, but according to the national weather service in norman, there are tennis ball size hailstones, piers, falling out of that storm. those cars are driving straight in it. piers? >> extraordinary stuff. jeff, you're in tulsa, i think, north of oklahoma city.
tell me what you're seeing there, jeff. >> i tell you what, piers, early this afternoon we had thunderstorms with tornadoes and tornado warnings from just northeast of oklahoma city. we tried -- a couple tornadic storms, we got film of six very small tornadoes, no damage. the storms are producing tornadoes as well. did have a report earlier, about an hour ago, hail 3 1/2 to 4 inches diameter south of oklahoma city. we now have a tornado warning with tornado reported on the ground east of tulsa. if you look at the live feed, got a severe thunderstorm in tulsa metro, with golf ball size hail with a tornado warning in effect for a tornado [ inaudible ] confirmed tornado on the ground. >> jeff, thank you very much indeed. let me go to amy now, who is with me here in new york. when i was walking around earlier, it was unbelievably hot, like in the 90s, yet a few
days ago, it was pretty chilly. what is going on with the east coast weather? >> reporter: just four days ago we were talking about wind chills. now tonight, here we are post-sunset and temperatures are muggy, still in the mid 80s. what we've got is our first heat wave of the season. today, philadelphia was hotter than boston and new york city and new york city was hotter than houston, dallas, miami. we were hotter than the south today and it's because of the jet stream's position right now, allowing for the flow of unseasonably hot and very humid air. this is the first of three days and it could be our first official heat wave of the season on the east coast. >> right. it's incredibly early. we are also seeing some wildfires in los angeles. obviously the tornadoes down near oklahoma again. this extraordinary weather in new york. is this as extraordinary as it seems to me, or not? >> reporter: well, of course we've got these major extremes and the transition during spring typically produces this type of extreme weather. but what's happening especially tonight in the south is the low
level jet is just firing up creating a lot of wind so the nocturnal tornado threat especially for tornado alley, where jeff is, is extreme tonight and of course, night tornadoes are the most deadly. as for what's happening on the west coast, as soon as we get the heat going, of course, it's fire season and those winds also create a lot of spreading quickly. not to mention the flooding issues that we've had over the last couple of days, piers. the water has just been extreme, falling at four to five inches in less than an hour's time. that's some real extreme weather. of course, all of this happening in populated areas where people have their cameras ready and were capturing it all on film. >> let's go back to chad myers quickly. chad, are we heading towards a particularly extreme summer, do you think? >> reporter: we're heading to a particularly extreme hurricane season, according to the hurricane center, 13 to 20 named storms, almost double possibly the number of hurricanes, and
double possibly the number of major hurricanes. so yes, obviously if that's part of summer. but we can't tell you whether it's going to be hotter or colder yet. the 90 day forecast does say an above normal season in the east but a slightly below normal season in the west. that's just the way the jet stream goes. we're going to have to see if the hurricane season shapes up like they're forecasting because it could be a very long summer for the people along the coast. >> chad, amy and jeff, thank you all very much indeed. i want to turn now to breaking news on ricin letters. the fbi has announced they are searching for a fifth ricin tainted letter that was addressed to the cia. deborah feyerick, trying to explain to me exactly what we know. there seem to have been a flurry of reports in the last few hours about a number of ricin letters. are the fbi in the belief that it's all the same person? >> reporter: well, there are two separate cases, actually, both involving ricin letters. the one in which they're searching for a fifth letter, that is a ricin case that originates out of spokane, washington, and last week authorities arrested a man by
the name of matthew ryan buquet. it's believed he sent five letters, including one to the cia, and that's the letter they're searching for now. this latest case that we're talking about, the one that's been in the news today, the one where letters were sent to new york city's mayor michael bloomberg and the president also, in that case, we are being told by a source who is involved in the investigation that they are questioning an individual. what we don't know is whether that individual is connected to sending the envelopes or whether it's somebody who knows something about who may have sent the envelopes. so right now, that is breaking, that is developing right now in terms of somebody who they are questioning in terms of this latest ricin case. what we can tell you is that all three letters were postmarked from the same city. shreveport, louisiana. we know that at least two, the one sent to the mayor and his gun control group, were written by the same person because they contain the same threat. the writer says quote, you will have to kill me and my family
before you get my guns. anyone wants to come to my house will be shot in the face. the right to bear arms is my constitutional god-given right and i will exercise that right to the day i die. piers, the person then goes on one step farther and this is even more scary, referring to the ricin tainted envelopes, he says what's in this letter is nothing compared to what i've got planned for you. so authorities are really taking this case extremely, extremely seriously, not only because of the presence of traces of ricin but also because of this additional threat. >> just to clarify, deb, the fbi don't believe these two sets of ricin letters could be linked in some way. >> reporter: it doesn't appear. right now the two cases are being held separately. the one on the west coast in spokane, washington and the one on the east coast. president obama, sort of the link in this, because he receives letters from both people who were sending these letters. >> thank you very much indeed. bill bratton is a man who knows all about this kind of
security threat. he's the former new york city police commissioner who is also top cop in boston and l.a. he joins me now. thanks for joining me again. what do you make of this latest ricin letter attack on the president and on mayor bloomberg? >> well, it's intended i think to attract publicity which it certainly is, intended to potentially intimidate but qte clearly the president and the mayor are not going to be intimidated by it. ricin is probably one of the worst ways to try and kill somebody. so i don't see it as a real threat in the sense of an actual capability to kill. but rather, to intimidate and attract publicity. >> the worrying trend is that a lot of these things, making ricin, making the kind of bomb that we saw in boston at the marathon, guns now, can all be done through the internet. how worried would you be if you were running the fbi or an
organization like that now or even a city police force, how worrying is it that it's so easy now to make guns, bombs, poison? >> well, that is the concern. the internet, the social media, if you will, has changed the complexity of what law enforcement has to deal with relative to potential threats. al qaeda, for example, has sought through their sources to inspire people to make ricin. it's fairly easy to make. and to put it on doorknobs and car handles. that's a very ineffective way of trying to effectively use it. but in any event, people i'm sure that are watching these newscasts are going to go rush to their computers, look it up and see that there's instructions on how to make it. it just makes it much more complex for law enforcement because the potential for wanna-bes to go out and imitate is so significant. undoubtedly there will be some wanna-bes that seek to be, if you will, that will be inspired
by the events of the last two days, all the news coverage first with mayor bloomberg and now with the president. >> we know that the tsarnaev brothers, the boston bombers, they had relied apparently for information on how to build this pressure cooker bomb on an al qaeda backed magazine called "inspire." that has a new issue coming out in which they laud these two brothers as heroes and encourage readers in the u.s. to follow their example. what can be done about that? what can you do about such blatant incitement to violence in a publication? >> really nothing. i just received a copy of it on my blackberry just prior to the newscast. so anybody can get access to it. even if you try to block it, they will find ways to get around that blockage. that's the world we're living in. i'm attending a law enforcement conference here in dallas, texas with major city chiefs and the national executive institute, and we have just spent the last two days getting all types of
presentations on the latest forms of cyberthreats and terrorist types of activities. we've got presentations by ed davis, police commissioner in boston. we have talked extensively about the bombings up in boston. and it is the world we live in today and it's one that police say are attempting to stay ahead of the curve rather than get behind the curve. >> what did you think of this extraordinary story of the florida man who was killed by the fbi agent while being questioned about his relationship with the boston bomber, tamerlan tsarnaev? his name was ibragim todashev. original reports were he was armed and attacked the fbi agent. now it would appear he wasn't armed and his father has been showing pictures of his son with multiple gunshot wounds and so on. would you be worried about this? would you think this needs a police investigation? >> oh, it's having a very comprehensive investigation
conducted by both the fbi and the massachusetts state police. there's an old adage in policing, the first story is never the correct story. the first story that i heard was that these three law enforcement agents were interrogating this young man in his home or his residence and that he pulled a knife on them. i've come to understand that there's never been any statement by the police to that effect, that it was something that was basically created by the media, that there was a knife involved. so there's some confusion about even the source of the story relative to the young man was armed with a knife. something that's not been really discussed is that the young man was one of these rage fighters, one of these people that gets into a cage and literally just fights with no limits on how they can attack their opponent. so he was somebody that physically could be very overpowering. my understanding of some of what went on in that room was after a
period of time of questioning, that at least the initial story was that he did assault the law enforcement officers. as to actually what transpired in the room will be the subject of an extensive and lengthy investigation. >> thank you for joining me. >> pleasure to be with you. when we come back, boston strong. the concert to help heal a city. i'll talk to boston's own james taylor and donny wahlberg who are performing right now. i do a lot of research on angie's list before i do any projects on my own. at angie's list, you'll find reviews written by people just like you. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.
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45 days since the boston marathon bombings, tonight the city is proving itself truly boston strong with a benefit concert for one fund boston. aerosmith, carole king, some of the big headliners. boston's own new kids on the block are in the middle of a major tour right now, are also performing. joining me is one of the band's star, donny wahlberg. how are you? >> hey, piers. great. great. really, really excited to be here with you and to be here tonight in boston for this amazing event. i'm just so excited. >> where were you when you heard about the boston marathon bombings, and what was your first reaction? >> i was on set on my tv series "blue bloods" in new york and
was surrounded by new yorkers. our entire crew are pretty much mostly new yorkers, and having been through 9/11, they immediately started coming to me one after the other saying you should step away from set, because something's happened in boston. and my initial reaction was well, you know, what could it be, you know. i didn't probably take it that seriously, but the looks on their faces told me that it probably was pretty serious, and i immediately thought about my band mate, joe mcintyre, who was running in the marathon and just the night before, we had joked that he would probably finish around four hours and ten minutes. him and i had a little personal bet, he said he would make it under four hours, i said just after four hours. and i looked at my watch and realized it was probably about four ten so i was immediately hoping i was wrong on the wager and that he was safe. i found him and then started checking on other family members, and still didn't really understand the magnitude until
later in the day. just how severe it was and what exactly had happened. i think like every bostonian and every american and every decent thinking person on the face of the earth, i was immediately just thrown into shock and started to think, you know, what can i do to help? >> when you discovered that the perpetrators of this atrocity were two young brothers who had been living in boston for quite a long time and had suddenly committed this outrage, what was your view of that? >> well, it's frightening. obviously to think that somebody could be so close, you know, and be plotting something so horrible. but you know, it's tough, you know. i mean, you know, when 9/11 happened, i think immediately after 9/11 this is sort of what
some of our worst fears probably were is that these things would start to happen a lot, and fortunately, they didn't. this has been a tough one to handle, piers. i grew up and walked those very streets where these bombs went off thousands of times in my life. i went to high school moments from there. i took theater class in the old south church right there. this is so close to home. it is home for all of us bostonians. hopefully the people who are here to protect us will take this as a serious wake-up call and keep us protected. >> boston has proved itself to be extremely strong and resilient as a result of this, and tonight's concert really encapsulates that. it's a huge event. many people saying it's the most
historic night in boston music history. you have incredible lineup, aerosmith, detoured from singapore. you guys are on, great cast list, james taylor, who i'm about to talk to. how do you feel about being able to put on such an amazing show in your own city for your own people? >> it's a wonderful feeling, piers. but you know, in all sincerity, this night is about the victims and their families. it's about honoring the city, the first responders, and raising a lot of money for the one fund. we want to put on a great show, lift the spirits of the city which are already lifted. i mean, you can see outside, just walking over here to do this interview with you, everybody's been amazing and they're so ready to have a great time and to celebrate the pride of this great city. it will take a lot more than what happened on the day of the marathon to keep this city down. >> well said. great to talk to you. best of luck tonight. it sounds like a cracking night of entertainment and you're doing a great job for your city and the people there. >> thank you, piers. thank you for all your support through this. you've been really great in honoring our city as well. thank you. i want to bring in boston's own james taylor, who performed at the memorial service in
memory of the murdered m.i.t. police officer, sean collier. he joins me with his wife, kim. welcome to you both. >> thank you, piers. >> thanks, piers. >> i just spoke to donny wahlberg. sounds like an incredibly exciting atmosphere down there. for both of you, for donny and for you, james, you're from boston. it's your home city. it's been through a terrible wounding experience, but this whole concept of boston strong is really alive and kicking with your show tonight. tell me about how you feel. >> i think that's right. it's been traumatic. it's a shock. you know, people feel as though -- people feel bad about what happened and they want to respond. people want to -- there's no way we can make it not to have happened, but you know, we want
people -- i think people all over boston want to show their concern and try to make whatever effort they can to pull together and to try to feel better about the city again. >> you've obviously come into contact with victims along the way here. how are you finding that direct contact with these victims? what do you say to them to try and make their lives a little better? >> well, there's nothing -- there's no real way to adequately respond or to minister or, you know, i don't even think we can really understand entirely what's happened. the only thing you can do is just in the moment and at the point of contact, you know, try to offer -- just offer support and friendship. >> a lot of money has been raised by the concert and indeed, since the boston marathon with various funds and appeals. you as a couple have donated $50,000.
what do you think from all you've gleaned about the way the money should be spent is going to be the most effective way of using this large amount of cash? >> i hope the people in charge of the concert who have been in direct contact with the families will have a sense of what -- how they need it the most and what's the most effective way to distribute it. for me, it's a new 02:01:11: definition of a kind of courage and the first responders and civilians. we think of a saint in our culture as someone, kind of an extreme definition like mother theresa. it's very hard to emulate that i think for people with kids and lives, but to me, it's a kind of saintly behavior that we've seen. the people that have rolled up their sleeves and gotten down and dirty and helped these victims and the victims
themselves, it's really a remarkable thing. i know we feel really privileged to have met the victims, some of the victims. >> james, finally for you, what does it mean to you to be a bostonian? >> well, i was born here. my father met my mother here. >> he worked at mass general. >> my dad was at mass general just across the way here. kim has worked with the boston symphony for 30 years now. a long time. >> 30 years. >> unmentionable period of time. but you know, we feel very connected here. we feel -- we're proud of boston. it's funny, you know, boston is such an inclusive place, it's so -- it's so open and welcoming, you know, its puritan beginnings notwithstanding, and it's -- it really, this is so wrong, what's happened, it's so un-boston, really.
we just feel a strong connection with the place and a sense of pride in all things boston. >> i wish you all the very best tonight with what sounds like a terrific show. great that you're doing it. to you, james and kim, thank you both for taking the time to join me. >> thank you, piers. >> thanks a lot. we've got breaking news on the ricin investigation. a source with knowledge of the investigation says a person is currently being interviewed by law enforcement in texas in connection with the probe into the letters sent to president obama and mayor michael bloomberg and the mayors against illegal guns group. we will bring you all the latest on that as we get them tonight. coming up, the mother of seven behind bars in mexico tonight. will she be charged with drug smuggling? that's on the docket in tonight's law and disorder.
welcome back to "piers morgan live." searching for the smoking gun in the jackson family lawsuit against concert promoter aeg live. today jurors were shown e-mails from company executives worried about michael jackson's health as he prepared for a comeback tour just before his death. that's on the docket of law and disorder with my legal eagles, tom meserow and gloria allred. tom is on the witness list on the aeg trial. welcome to both of you. tom, let me start with you. you obviously have great knowledge of this case.
key day today in many ways because paul gongaware gave his deposition, is still giving it, and basically refused to answer questions of any real significance. what was going on? >> well, my understanding is that brian panitch, the lawyer for katherine jackson and michael's children who incidentally has been going over e-mails with mr. gongaware and i'm told mr. gongaware is professing not to remember why the, mail was sent, answering often i don't recall, i don't recall, i don't recall. the answer i'm getting because i'm not allowed in the courtroom because i'm a witness is that he's not looking very truthful and looking very evasive. if that's true, it's going to really hurt the defendants as they try and prove to the jury that they never assumed responsibility for michael jackson's welfare or his doctor. >> gloria, this is the key part of the case, really, because if it can be proven based on these pretty damning e-mails that aeg not only were aware of what was
going on with michael jackson but were paying vast amounts of money, $150,000 to conrad murray, the doctor, who was there when he died, if that can be proven, that is the case done and dusted. is it any defense to say you don't recall sending an e-mail when there's a copy of the e-mail sitting in court? >> well, it's a problem, piers, because when a witness continues to say, says over and over i don't recall as apparently this witness has, then it starts to give the impression of untruthfulness to the jury and in fact, it's reported that the jury began to laugh when this witness continued to say i don't recall and when the jury begins to laugh at the witness, it should be a cause for concern by the defense that perhaps the jury's thinking this witness is just not credible. >> let's move on to another case
that a lot of americans are concerned about, i think, which is the one of yanira maldonado. she is this mother of seven on her way back from a family funeral in mexico when she was arrested, and she's facing these charges of having 12 pounds of marijuana under her bus seat. tom, what do you make of this case? >> well, i think it's a tragedy for this family, and i think the heat is going to be so intense on the mexican government that she'll be released at some point. you have mexican public officials saying they think she was set up. you have very conservative, very experienced law enforcement veterans in america saying they think she was set up. she has no history of any criminal behavior at all. she sounds very credible. how would she get 12 pounds under her seat and attach those 12 pounds with metal hooks without somebody seeing it, and i also am informed that the police officers who detained her have given conflicting stories on where they found the marijuana. one says it was all under one seat and another says it was under different seats.
so i think you put this together, i think she's going to be released at some point and i hope it's very soon. >> gloria, you can never be the judge and jury here sitting where i am. i can look at her and say this looks like a complete stitch-up to me but you don't know that for sure. if this was your client, though, what would you be doing now to try and put the maximum type of pressure on to the mexican authorities to get her out of there? >> well, i would do just exactly what was done today and cnn in fact have seen what i'm going to call the smoking video. that's the video of her getting on to the bus where reportedly she only had her purse, two blankets and two bottles of water and her defense attorney is arguing and that's what i would have argued that there's no way that this five inch high, 20 inch wide package of marijuana could have fit into her purse. so that i think is the key in
this case and i think it's a good argument that she should be released. >> we shall find out possibly as soon as tomorrow. gloria and tom, as always, thank you so much for joining me on law and disorder tonight. see you both soon. coming up next, breaking news on the big stories of the day from ricin to the white house controversies to the president's popularity. which may surprise you, the latest polls. we go behind the headlines. to e written by people just like you. with angie's list, i know who to call, and i know the results will be fantastic. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.
now it's time for breaking the news, when we break down all the big stories making headlines tonight. joining me is mark lamont hill, professor at columbia university. also cnn political contributor and republican consultant, margaret hoover. a veritable dream team tonight. let's art talking dream teams with this tangle, this mess that president obama has got into particularly with eric holder, his attorney general. what is interesting about this is that i had jay carney on recently and we were talking about these three scandals, the irs, the benghazi scandal and the fact that the attorney general's office were targeting journalists at associated press. now we know fox news as well. this is what jay carney said to me at the time. >> did you ever think you would have to deal with three scandals like this at the same time? >> i dismiss the premise, the idea these were scandals. one is a total concoction by republicans on the first hand, you know, and the other, depends on the irs issue, absolutely.
inappropriate behavior, wrong activity by personnel by the irs, and action needs to be taken, is being taken and will be taken. >> the obvious question, margaret, are they scandals? >> yes. they're scandals. all three of them are scandals. they all rank as jay carney spun it accurately, he also reflected what the american people are saying. american people are saying they're less concerned about benghazi, they are deeply concerned about the irs scandal and they're increasingly concerned about what's happening with the a.p. reporters but then more so -- >> here's what i would say to you. i agree with what you've just said. i think they are all fairly scandalous. however, the american public doesn't agree with it. a quinnipiac university poll may 22nd and 28th, what is a higher priority for president obama, dealing with the economy or investigating these controversies. 73% would prefer he focus on the economy. >> but that same poll -- >> how scandalized can they be if that's what they want him to
do? >> okay. so the same poll, just to your point, same poll says 76% of americans think a special prosecutor should be appointed in the irs case so clearly they care about it. but to your larger point, i think the american people are smart. they are able to distinguish between their approval rating of the president and by the way, there is no clear connection between the president and the irs scandal right now. >> that's the point. >> so -- by the way, ronald reagan was called the teflon president, why? because none of the scandals reached the administration. there -- >> let me turn to mark. here's what's interesting again. another poll, cnn poll of polls, how is obama handling his job as president. approve, 49%. disapprove, 42%. this has actually gone up. despite all these scandals and i do believe all of them in their own way have been pretty scandalous, we can debate that, why is he getting more popular through this period rather than less? >> because the american people know that even if there are
scandals and presidential scandals, they have nothing to do with him. it's also a referendum how they feel the republican party have dealt with these scandals. in other words, they see benghazi as an issue that needs to be investigated but they also see the way the right wing has attempted to convince us this is the scandal of all scandals connected to president obama. they look at the irs and say clearly bad actions have taken place here but clearly the president was not sitting in the white house figuring out how to take down the tea party. >> or they're willing to withhold judgment until further investigation. to suggest they're scandals and this is wishful thinking that this is only republicans trying to bring down the president is casting the american people in -- >> no, no, you didn't hear me. i agree with you. i think they are scandalous. i think it's completely unacceptable for the president and the white house to basically say hey, nothing to do with us. three big bombshells have erupted, you know. you have the assassination of an ambassador in benghazi and other
americans, you've had the targeting of right wing tea partiers by the irs, and you've got the targeting of the press now in two different places, a.p. and fox news. all of them, i think, come down to a culture at the white house. can he really, the president, stand by and jay carney and these guys and say none of these are scandals, nothing to do with us, our fingerprints aren't on this? >> oh, i was waiting -- >> didn't take long. didn't take long. >> every time people mention nixon -- >> even nixon didn't do what holder's done. even nixon didn't seek to go after a journalist like rosen at fox news and try and get all these background details, his e-mail, his family's e-mails. >> holder is not a sitting president, okay? again -- >> he works for the administration. >> not exactly. the state department doesn't exactly work -- the department of justice doesn't exactly work that way. ostensibly operates independently of the president and of course we know there's connections there. but let's not overstate those connections.
>> but if you say of course we know there are connections and everyone does know there are connections, how far can you stretch the line of credibility? let me ask you this, margaret. where literally, the president can say i had nothing to do with any of these scandals. >> until you can prove and look, again, americans are smart and willing to reserve judgment. bill clinton had very high approval ratings in terms of his performance as president, even though the american people felt that morally, he was -- >> a scumbag. use the technical term. >> ronald reagan, again, the teflon president. why? even though all the iran contrastuff was breaking in his second term, he was considered this happy lawyer. people liked him personally. people are able to separate thou they feel about someone personally. until there's a clear connection between the oval office and the justice department -- >> should eric holder resign? >> i think you need an independent -- >> i say yes. there is no doubt about it. eric holder should resign. >> i think for what he's done with rosen at fox news, i think that is completely unacceptable. he has personally authorized them going after him.
i don't think that's acceptable behavior by the attorney general. i actually quite like eric holder. i think he's a smart guy. i think he's crossed the line. >> it's also the perception of impropriety. we could make a compelling argument that he did nothing wrong in those cases but the entire american public is uncomfortable, skeptical, wary. the buck needs to stop somewhere. it has to be eric holder. >> let's have a little break, calm down slightly. let's come back and talk ricin and guns. n??tç7
right now, breaking the news. just checking a few tweets about richard nixon and what he tried as president. it was a piece, actually, by james goodal who was with the "new york times." nixon convened a grand jury to indict that he failed at the of the grand jury after 17 months. and as he pointed out, nixon failed in his effort to treat him as a coconspirator.
and for that reason, he should resign. i think that's a really interesting perspective for somebody who's right in the thick of the pentagon scandal. let's move on. what i think is interesting about this is you've got various rights. but focusing on the one involving letters to mayor bloomberg and the president in which the author to the letters, you had to kill me and my family before you get my guns. anyone who gets in my house will be shot in the face. the right to bear arms is my constitutional, god-given right. and i will exercise that right until the day i die. i mean, it's now a god-given right. >> in this country, as you know -- >> a god-given right? how about a constitutional right? ? >> well, it is a constitutional right.
this guy is committing a felony. he doesn't represent the majority. >>. >> and i'm sure that's true. kbu what is also true is how a guy has screamed when he came on the show, a lot of these more extreme gun rights lobbyists, and i would put wayne lapierre in that category. they are to such an extreme level, obama is going to grab your guns, defend yourselves, arm yourselves, record gun sales after sandyhook and so on. is it surprising that you're getting some people to flip now? >> there were people saying obama is going to take your guns before any of this happened, before sandyhook. >> again, morgan, i would
caution us from allowing this one crazy person for people who advocate gun owners. >> i was curious about his constitutional right. but a god-given right? >> these are natural rights and these inalienable rights are given to us as we are endowed by a creator. >> absolutely. >> do you think that's the case with the constitution? i believe the constitution was a leisurely-framed document drawn up by the founding fathers. now i'm being told this is a god-given right to have an ar-15 machine gun. >> you're taking it crazy seriously. >> you went from gun to ar-15. >> what's it mean? god-given right?
>> it's entirely possible to pursue life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. that's what's going on here. he's also a nut, which we shouldn't give too much credence. >> is he a nut being driven by nutty rhetoric from extremists? >> absolutely. they're taking our guns narrative that has emerged over the last really not just ten years or five years, really last 40 years. whenever there's a democrat in office or gives any resistance to the second amendment, in my mind. >> do you think that the gun debate will ever change? >> i think it could, but the difference between that and say civil rights is big money. there's so much money invested in gun money.
>> you and i both know that there's a culture in the united states, and it's a difference between urban and racial. >> same there. >> what i'm talking about is a cultural situation in america that is one position that could change. see, to me, the rights to bear arms over the rights of a child's life is one way. >> from our country to the country that you're from, the imperative, the part that made it distinct was they were able to do it because they had their own guns. >> we couldn't resist the american government with our shotguns right now. >> the british -- >> who knows. >> all right. trust me. >> you are.
interview with joshua cook. he tells me why he murdered both his participants and we talk about the shootings in aurora and newtown. that's all for tonight. "anderson cooper" starts right now. i'm susan hendricks. anderson will be back in a moment. but first breaking news in oklahoma. a tornado has touched down in the tulsa suburb of broken arrow. tornado warnings and watches have been in effect all evening through much of the southern plains and also mid-mississippi river valley. cnn's chad myers and tom saider will join me now. chad, you're storm chasing in oklahoma and have been there for a day now, what are you seeing and seeing now? >> reporter: although the storms die off in the evening hours, the storms tonight seem to have held a lot of punch. we just rolled through the valley, a string of hail, an awful lot of hail, probably