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the country? we go behind the vail. our live coverage continues here live from tehran tomorrow. look forward to seeing you then. this is "piers morgan live." fighting the flames in colorado, the december street struggle to contain the spreading wildfire, the worst in state history. we'll go live to the front lines and chad myers has the latest on the weather affecting millions of millions in america and on the east coast here. six months since the shooting at sandy hook elementary. i'll talk to two teachers killed by adam lanza and they met with president obama and chris murphy about his war against the nra and the growing leak investigation and privacy and security in america and takes on the obama scandals and the grill tonight, chris como and kate baldwin talk new day and much, much more.
breaking news tonight on syria's use of chemical weapons. chris lawrence has the latest. >> piers, tonight there is a major policy shift from the u.s. towards syria as u.s. officials conclusively say the u.s. government has used chemical weapons and crossed the red line president obama set. they said quote following a deliberate review they used chemical weapons including s usa rin. it was used at least eight times over the past year and killed up to 150 people. now the u.s. has been providing non-lethal aid to those rebels, food, communications gear.
they asked for missiles for anti tank weapons and hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammunition. they aren't saying what military support will be given but are confirming there is a move now to give the rebels direct military support. i'm told by sources that will not include establishing a no-fly zone that would involve rescue teams, americans but some of those weapons may be on the table given to the rebels in some form perhaps through european allies or other allies in the region. there is a renewed sense of urgency after they helped the syria government. >> let's get to the breaking stories extreme weather and wildfires in colorado live in colorado springs, chad myers and
we'll begin with chad. >> washington d.c. got in on the act and rockville, maryland, a lot of power lines down, trees down in places you don't think about severe weather. right now it's run through atlanta, georgia from the north, here is a live shot from the tower cam. we've been seeing lightning strikes here. here you see the flash at this point, still sparking from the south of atlanta. we're talking about back down here to the south of the i 20. something else that we've watched all day is the wind out west. you talked about that. you talked about how the dry air and the wind and the heat out in colorado have just baked this ground. baked where there is just not much living left in some of these areas, some of these grasses, shrubs and bushes and the winds are south at 28 miles per hour, and for the next
couple days, those winds don't die off. those winds are fanning the flames and those flames are just completely out of control and our victor is out there in this smoke-infested area giving you the latest on this live report. victor? >> reporter: hey, chad, thanks, the latest 15,700 acres burned and 5% contained, a small victory but victory nonetheless is so tough to fight because of those gusty winds. the big headline tonight, the black forest fire has become what so many hoped and prayed that it would not become, the deadly black forest fire. two bodies recovered by the sheriff's office. he is not giving a lot of information. they were trying to retrieve items for an evacuation. an evacuation after 5,000 people and 6,000 people asked to leave
in a voluntary evacuation. 360 homes lost and we want to bring in now two people who, unfortunately, are part of that number that lost they are home in the black form rest fire. we've got kyle kirkland here, daniel burn and their three dogs kya, jack and shadow and first, we want to share with you, of course, our sorrow for you losing your home, but you were asked to leave in the first evacuation. when did you learn that this was is serious is this. >> i was actually at work, and i got a text message from one of my boys' parents on my soccer team asking me if we've been evacuated and not knowing what was going on, i turned the radio on and by that time we were already in the mandatory evacuation, so i locked up the gym early and speeding down the black forest to grab the dog. >> reporter: what did you have? >> i was at work. he only could grab the dogs.
he didn't have enough time. we had smoke around the house so grabbed important things and got out as fast as we could. >> reporter: i understand it was difficult to get back and get the dogs. a friend told you things were getting serious around the home. how tough was it? >> it was tough by the time i got back, the police closed it off and i got out of my car and asked them listen, i have three dogs, it will take me five minutes to get down there and i'll be back within a flash and he said i was risking my own life and obviously did what i have to do for our family. >> reporter: you went back to get them. daniel, tell me about this moment you had in target when you realized the gravity of what was happening. >> well, we already found out the house was gone but it didn't actually hit me until i went to target and had to buy these things like socks and under car -- under garments like socks and shampoo and things i should have.
>> reporter: what did you feel? >> i wanted to have a melt down. i felt homeless. i felt out of place, i felt so many mixed emotions, i just wanted to go home and that was no longer an option. >> reporter: so you say you felt homeless. where are you guys staying now? >> a friend of danielle. she's in the air force and we're down there. >> reporter: i read you now want to volunteer as these shelters, why? >> we've experienced first-hand how it feels and we have a lot of friends in the black forest community, friends, family and we just -- that's -- we want to give back to them. >> reporter: all right. danielle, jack, shadow, kia, thank you for speaking to us. 15,700 acres, the 360 homes just a number, when you hear the
stories from the people here, you get an idea how much is lost but how much they still have. i had a conversation with the sheriff here yesterday and he said this is a resilient community. after so much was lost after the waldo canyon fire, they rebuilt, supported each other and worked in the shelters and we're seeing that again this year. now this fire is continuing to burn as we said just 5% contained, almost 500 -- change that, the update tonight was 750 firefighters working on this. there's a federal incident commander here trying to take advantage of the increased humidity to try to get this fire out but it's been really unpredictable with the winds that continue. back to you, piers. >> thanks very much. tomorrow, six months since the massacre in new town and six months since adam lanza murdered 20 children and six adults. you know where i stand on the
issue of guns but has anything changed. i turn to senator murphy. thank you for joining me. six month haves gone by, nearly 5,000 more americans have been killed by guns and it seems to me, let's be brutally honest, absolutely nothing has changed and prompts the question if nothing changes when 20 children get murdered, when does it change? >> how can you look in the eyes of the families of these murdered 6 and 7-year-olds and say we can't do anything when the facts are the facts that in columbine if we had universal background checks they may not have gotten the guns. if we had limits on magazine clips there would be people alive in aurora and tucson and 20 kids got shot at in sanity -- sandy hook and they died because of that. there is a political infrastructure built around the
gun issue and i'll tell you colleagues in the senate that went the wrong way back in april are looking for a different path forward because they don't want to go against the mayors against illegal guns and gabby giffords and more. that may give us a path to get a bill on the senate floor. >> they need some of these people to stand up to the nra as it always does has another threatening attack add, attacking for a bill that would have strengthened background checks which seems to be the least that's happening. let's watch the nra add. >> remember this tv add? i'm joe mansion, i approved this add because i'll always defend west virginia. >> as your senator i'll protect the second amendment rights. >> he's working with president obama and new york mayor michael bloomberg. concerned? you should be. tell him to honor his commitment
to the second amendment. >> they bully, threaten, spend money, force politicians on the back front and unfortunately, it usually works. >> yeah, but why does it work? the fact is that these guys have become pretty miserable at winning elections. in 2012 the nra spent money in 16 senate seats. you know how many they won? 3. they lost 13 of 16. i would argue more than being with them and the idea of his commitment to the second amendment, i'm commented today second amendment, too, but it doesn't protect hundreds of rounds of ammunition and it has limitations just like the first amendment does. >> of course he is. there is -- lindsey gram who i
happen ton personally like but he's pro-second amendment pro-gun rights, very anti any new form on gun control or background checks and yet, he's one of the first people to pop up in the last week whole heartily endorsing the nsa gathering all the information about americans, seemingly oblivious and one of his arguments against background checks is why should the government have all this information on us? >> the nra came out and said after sandy hook what we should have is a database of everybody that's mentally ill and we'll track them to make sure they don't do anything dangerous. that's a violation of privacy but if you don't know who has these diseases, what does that do you? the nra strikes the fear of the
hearts of senators, it will continue. >> this segway quickly to the nsa scandal. the fbi director robert miller testified before the house judiciary committee invoked 9/11 saying had these programs been in effect before 9/11 it may prevent what happened. listen to what he said. >> if we had the telephone number for yemen we would match it to san diego and could have derailed the plan in any case, the opportunity was not there. if we had had this program, that opportunity would have been there. >> senator, you've been briefed on a lot of this stuff, and where do you see the line being drawn? >> clearly, they will get some success of what they are doing in some kind of terrorist activity but what risk and damage to the average american's privacy do you think? >> well, clearly, the information that they have gleamed from this program has
led to bad guys being stopped from doing bad things. i think it's probably a little over reach to say that we would have stopped 9/11 if this program was in place. we don't know what people would have done with that information. but to me, the issue is this, that i think administration needs to give the american people more credit. i think we should have a much more public debate about private programs, not giving out detailed information but leveling with the american public about what kind of information that administration thinks it needs. my problem is that so much of the war on terror is being conducted behind closed doors, whether it be the drone program or whether it be these nsa data collection programs, and the american public doesn't need to know every detail, but they certainly should be part of the discussion. >> senator murphy, thank you very much indeed for joining me. >> thanks, piers. coming up next, a man that never holds back, donald trump, and things hillary clinton will run and possibly win in 2016. that's all coming up.
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so the fallout from the scandal is worse than we thought. it's making americans read. [ laughter ] >> conan o'brien making fun, donald trump is the man with pretty serious opinions about himself. making too much of the surveillance and on the leak with edward snowden and donald joins me on the phone. how are you? >> i'm fine, piers. >> great to talk to you. >> great talking to you. >> what is your thought on this? look in the bigger picture. americans are concerned about the level of privacy but where do you sit? >> snowden, i think he's bad news. i've watched him and he's having a good time. out of all places he goes to hong kong for protection. that's interesting because that's not a place where actually he should get that kind of protection but it looks like they are going to protect him. i don't know what information he'siving them but it could be
serious. he's a bad guy. i have no doubt that he's a bad guy. as far as, you know, privacy, certainly we want the privacy. now people are saying that this is national security and it real he depends on how far they are going and that will come out, but we do want privacy. we also want national security. >> rand paul said today he'll challenge it under the fourth amendment. here is what he had to say. >> americans are rightly concerned about having all of their phone records collected and monitored all the of the time. we're here today to announce that we will be challenging the constitutionality of the court ordinary there collects all of american's cell phone data all of the time. >> to rand paul there making it pretty clear that he thinks this is a breach, i would imagine, of the fourth amendment rights of americans here and it's a
serious business, if that's what it is. >> piers, it's certainly a point of view and there is no question about it this is a mess. no matter how you look at it, it's a mess. where do they stop? where do they go? what kind of power do they have? it's a point of view and conservative people feel that way and liberal people. we're looking at a lot of people are concerned about how far are they going to go and that's what we're talking about. >> what about journalists? peter king said he thinks journalists should potentially be prosecuted and go to jail for publishing and reporting leaks like this. do you agree with that? >> well i think that -- and we've had this over the years and actually a number of times over the years but there has never been anything quite like this and this is all because of what happened with all of the e-mail and the twitters and all of -- you know what is taking place in a computer world. ten years ago you write something down on a piece of paper.
today everything you put down is there and it's there forever. it's indelible. so it's a real problem for this country, and you look and the kind of secrets that are being given out, a lot of people are saying china learned more from this young man that -- you know, without a high school education that had access to everything you could possibly have access to. what kind of security is this? this is tremendous security breach. >> if you're not american, you look from the outside saying america is accusing the chinese of hacking computers for a long time now and snowden revealed and americans and the last three to four years. is that not in the public interest. >> china is having a field day because it's true over the last year we talk about them hacking and over the last couple days, they are talking about us
hacking, we do far more than they have ever done and they are having and the bigger question is what is snowden giving. how much information is snowden giving them because it sounds like he has just about all the information we have in this country. >> absolutely. one other thing that leaked out is about a friend of yours and mine, murdoch. you're a billionaire that's been married three times and he's divorcing his third wife. are you surprised by that news? >> i was surprised. i know him and like him a lot and i know and like wendy a lot. this is surprising to me and surprising to a lot of other people, including my daughter who is a good friend of theirs. >> yeah, i mean, what do you hear or think is maybe behind it? >> well, i don't hear anything. i was just very surprised to hear the news. i was very saddened by it. they are both very good people, so i was really surprised and i'm sure you were probably more
surprised than anybody. >> it's a shock for anyone that knows them both. >> if you know him and the situation, it's a big story because i thought they got along really well. i was very, very saddened to hear about it. >> yeah, i'm with you. i'm sad about it, too. let's move on to hillary clinton. a lot of activity with her this week. she burst on to twitter, which many saw as a sign she's bracing everyone for a run in 2016 then she was hit by state department scandal allegations, coverups over sex scandals and so on. what do you think of hilary generally and her chances if she does run in success for 2016? she's getting hit hard. there is no question about it. i've liked her on a personal basis and i've liked her and her husband a lot. she was on your show saying he likes me. it's hard no to like -- >> yeah. >> i like him and i think he does like me and we played golf together. i've just always gotten along very well.
they are members of my club up in west chester and they are wonderful members, and actually, wonderful people. i have always licked hilary. if benghazi and all of the stuff coming up lately because she's getting hit hard but if it doesn't stick, which perhaps it will and perhaps it won't, i think she's going to be the easy nominee for the democrats. >> do you think she could win? there is a lot of traction now behind chris christi who i've found an extremely engaging charter when i interviewed him. do you think he could put on a real race for hilary? it was a hell of a fight for the media? >> is a another friend of mine and i think he will be effective and certainly somebody that you cannot mess with. it will be an interesting race if that's the race. i know there are a lot of people on both sides. i know hilary's numbers have gone down. they have been a little bit effected and quite a bit
effected by what's happened. i hear the vice president would like very much to run and they that he may be running, but it seems to me if hilary wants it, assuming if nothing much happens of what we're talking about for the last two weeks, it will be hilary on the democratic side. the republicans, it's not quite as clear what will happen as of this moment and certainly, chris has not made any indication that we would be running. he'll be running for governor and will do well on that race, i believe. i think that should be an easy race for him -- >> if he did run, donald, would you see yourself endorsing him pretty quickly? >> well, i have a great relationship with him. i have a relationship with many of the people we're talking about. it's never easy piers because i have a relationship with many of the people we're talking about, but we'll see how it goes. chris is somebody i've known for a long time and i've always backed him. we'll see how it goes. we're learning more about edward snowden but only raising more questions about what kind
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and the reason we have you in, john, is because you unearthed fascinating stuff of this guy. to me, needy, quite weird geek. am i over stating things? >> he's definitely a geek. one of the big things here is that since this information has come out, there have been two responses, there have been people who -- who see him as an increasingly weird and strange gamer, animation fan, you know, hacktivists type and people that spend time on forums and the online community recognize him as a type. >> what is that type? >> he's a little bit of a know-it-all. a little bit of a troll but a guy with very strong convictions about privacy, about freedom of information, about government. >> here is the thing, if you're
such a great, you know, campaigner for privacy and everything else, why on earth would you go and work is the nsa? >> that's a great question. you know, we don't have a psychiatric term of geek but there is something coming across in his words, looking at his blogs, references he makes to his super hero cape and so on. you know, i have top secret clearance. people i know who have it, you take an oath, and you take an oath to keep a secret, even knowing full well there may be things you learn from the government that you're morally and ethically opposed to and that's a decision he had to make. to think he's acting out of ethical concern and we're not talking genocide, as far as i know, we're talking about maybe very, very serious issues but he
broke his oath and that says something about his personality or he's been compromised. the government said he might be compromised or involved in things. he's been compromised, something about his past -- >> right, john hermann, looking at some stuff you unearthed, his gaming name wolf king awesome fox. >> right. >> you know, he used quite describing sex talk and krispy kremes and importance in life was quite important in his little world, was nowhere near important for him to start making decisions about national security, was it? >> what's important to understand on this forum for tech geeks and it guys he posted nearly 800 times. he posted about a manner of
things and he wasn't really -- first of all, he didn't expect this anonymous scrutiny but he must have known this would all be unearthed but he was embodying a type we will see more and more of -- >> they are celebrity hactovists. he's a bit of a loser but all accounts and gone for it and thinks i'm going to make myself a global star, a hero, if you'd like. that's what i read into him from the moment from everything i'm gleaming. am i unfair to say that? >> i don't think you're unfair and that's one viable scenario for sure looking not just as a psychologist but another person. this has to go into this thinking he has to keep the secret and is going to and he has an immature personality and impulsive. he hasn't had a security
clearance for very long. he's a young guy. it may have been a mistake. >> quite bizarre, javier that he ditched his girlfriend, this beautiful girl that seems intelligent, beautiful, his father says they are shocked -- i don't know if we have pictures. the question is sanity just for leaving her. >> look, i've heard a lot of couples and a lot of people break up for a lot of reasons, so you may be reading -- you may have a crystal ball that i simply don't have. >> finally, john, what is the reaction, you know, from our community, the media world, we have our view taken from our positions but in the internet world, your world, is he seen as more of a hero than a villain? >> i think the internet, at least types of communities is broadly sympathetic. he spent a lot of his 20s posting about his job, hobbies,
security clearance and a lot of people online, particularly young men see themselves in him. they, you know, they see him as, as a type of almost hero that maybe they could relate to or be like. so i think there is a gap between the public perception of who he is and what he did and the internet is a narrow perception. >> the mystery will continue until we get a sense of what his real motivation is and i'm sure that will come out in the next few weeks. thank you both very much. six months after the sandy hook massacre, the victims' families meet with president obama. that's next. dad. how did you get here?
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particular meeting with the president? >> the president has been so supportive of our course and we're more than happy to work with him and vice president biden in their effort to pass common sense gun legislation. >> julian, you know, i totally applaud the president and the vice president's rhetoric on this. what i find hard to deal with is the complete lack of any action at the end of it. you must, as a group of families, feel pretty frustrated that here we are six months after this appalling atrocity which so terribly effected your families and nothing has happened. >> i do feel frustrated at times
but sitting down with the vice president and president today i did feel -- you know, they talked to us and told us, you know, lit take time but as long as we keep showing that we're not going anywhere, we'll keep fighting it, we're going to get somewhere. i'm confident in that. it's taken six months for this talk to get as far as it has and it's not going to happen overnight to get universal background checks and rifle bans and magazine control and not let the nra win, we'll get what we came here to fight for for the past six months. >> teresa, you red out names today of 4,800 americans killed by guns since new town, a staggering statistic. when you see this on an almost daily basis more gun shootings. there was a mass shooting on friday in santa monica and every
day casual violence taking people's lives, how does it make you feel? >> it makes me feel very sad. one of the saddest things at the beginning of our journey to this point in time was to visit the shrines that were the gifts and mementos sent to sandy hook and read in the paper americans running out and buying guns in record numbers, that was really, really heart breaking. i guess, the sad thing is we know what those 5,000 people who have lost loved ones throughout the country since we lost our loved ones, we know the depth of their grief and the enormity of their grief and they are probably not getting the comfort and support that we have. our hearts go out to them and we hope we can fix it. >> julian, it wasn't just any
gun americans raced out to buy. they raced out to buy in record numbers, the ar 15 assault rifle the very gun used at sandy hook to kill so many people. what does that tell you about america right now? >> it just shows you how screwed up this country has become and how you can see someone walk into an elementary school and use that gun to kill 20, 6 and 7-year-olds, to look at them and not even care when you hear them scream and just open fire, to look at six educators who are there to teach their kids, to teach them how to write and do multiplication and add and to open fire on them and americans felt they need to go out and buy these guns in large sizes and go out and mass produce them and get them and just shows how
awful things are and how badly we need change, how badly we need to do something about this before another crazed man walks into an elementary school and opens fire or into a movie theater and opens fire or supermarket, anywhere, we have to do something about it. >> teresa, we're six months into this battle, those who believe something has to be done and there is only one reason i feel so passionate about it. i want less americans to be killed by guns. simple as that. there is no other agenda other than to reduce the number of people that get killed by guns every single day in america. what do you think it's going to take to persuade the people in washington to actually take this more seriously than they have done so far? >> well, i just think more average americans, though, almost 90% that seem to agree with gun registration will speak up. we need to talk to our
lawmakers. we need to send them e-mails. we need to call them on the telephone and let them know how we feel about this, maybe we need some more demonstrations. maybe we need to march on the capital. whatever it takes to make them aware that we are paying attention to what is happening in washington. >> well, i want to say, again, that both lauren and vicki were heroes that day. i'm sure the carnage could have been worse if it wasn't for how brave they were in the face of a terrible situation and i thank you both teresa and julian for joining me and i hope we talk again to get something done. thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. i am an american success story.
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i wouldn't have a pulse. but it's nerves of excitement. we're ready to go. it's the anxiety leading up. that is what we're feeling. i just want it to start. >> i launched 2 1/2 years ago and it was this huge buildup and you get sick of your own promos. but chris, you're an experienced anchor guy. this will be made or not by your chemistry. what is the most annoying thing and it? >> if you're right, and i hope you are, we know already. we're going to be fine. i have the least question, and i have the most confidence. >> any faults of hers? >> i'll tell you my faults. >> if we could pretend that kate can't hear us for a second, this has been hell on earth.
this has been great. she's a friend in every sense of the word. we get along great, and that is a blessing going into it. my concern is that this is too much. i'm tired of seeing my face. i can't explain what the show is about when it's about what happens tomorrow. so as you have the frustration, so do i. i want to do the show. for me, as you know, it's all about the purpose of the job. i want to get into it, be relevant and help people day in and day out. we have a great team. if anything happens other than success here, i have to put it on my back, because we have everything we need to succeed. >> what is your impression of cnn? what is its unique selling points? >> big is the word that comes to mind. big personalities like you. big resources. big priorities.
there's a lot of manpower here. and big responsibility. what you do is so much harder than what i'm used to doing. that was the big growing pain for me coming here is how am i going to do this for five hours when this story is developing in front of me? >> because you were plunged right in. you started before we knew it. suddenly the boston bombings, the kidnapped girls were found, great tornadoes lashing, and suddenly you're up to your knees in this stuff. i felt what you brought to our network was a real sense of passion for the people that were involved in those stories. is that something you've always tried to do? >> i believe to be fair, i think that is the job. i think most of us are doing it for the same reasons. to me, i just believe that why i stay in it, because it's a hard life. there are a lot of great benefits to it. if you're successful, you're well paid, you get to travel, it's great. you see a lot of dark things and carry a lot of that with you. what motivates me is that people need us. they need us to be there and to connect to what happens in the
world emotionally and intellectually and to fight the fight. you only get one chance to wake up in the morning. >> now you're going to be starting on air at 6:00 a.m. >> 12 hours earlier. >> that will test all your beauty products. >> exactly. this is not how i wake up in the morning. >> it is a brutal thing. i know people in britain that have done morning shows and it's very brutal. are you ready for the 4:00 a.m. alarm call every morning? >> tell them what you've been doing. tell them, tell them. >> i am ready. because why? it's a great job i'm waking up to and we're going to have a lot of fun. but to get ready for it, i've been calling it my spring training. we're very competitive, so i want to be ready even earlier.
so i've been waking up extremely early. >> how early? >> i was waking up at 2:15. >> are you serious? you freak. >> i wake up at 2:15. then when we start the show, i wake up at 2:45 or 3:00. >> so apparently at 29, you are the youngest morning show anchor on any major tv network. >> i can only say that for one more month, because i'm hitting the big 3-0. >> i've got shoes that old. >> i wish you all the best. "new day" premieres this monday, june 17, weekdays from 6:00 to 9:00 a.m. >> look forward to seeing you on the show. >> like he's going to wake up that early. >> forget it! >> when he's in london. >> we'll be right back. when i first felt the diabetic nerve pain,
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