tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN June 18, 2013 11:00pm-12:01am PDT
"outfront" next the nsa says they've stopped dozens of terror attacks by snooping. they described a few of them in detail today. so here's the question. would americans have died if it were not for these secret snooping programs? plus police say they have uncovered another instance of people being held captive for years in ohio, this time it was a mother and a daughter. and we're going to have the latest on that for you tonight.
and then amanda knox, an italian court citing what might have happened the night her roommate was killed. a major development that could totally change knox's life. for a special report let's go "outfront." ♪ good evening everyone i'm erin burnett. terror attacks foiled. today the head of the national security agency told congress the top secret surveillance programs, like the ones recently leaked by former nsa contractor edward snowden, were key to thwarting specific terror plots against the united states. >> in recent years these programs, together with other intelligence, have protected the u.s. and our allies from
terrorist threats across a globe to include helping prevent the terrorist -- the potential terrorist events over 50 times since 9/11. >> over 50 times since 9/11. but among those 50 events, according to general alexander, there were at least ten, quote/unquote, homeland-based threats. including a plot by a kansas city man to blow up the new york stock exchange. and a plot to bomb the new york city subway system in 2009. but could these plots have been foiled using other methods? or, and this is the big question, did the government need to snoop on citizens' phone calls, e-mails? "outfront" tonight, cnn national security analyst and former cia operative bob baer. thank you for coming on, because you know so much about this. you've heard general alexander testifying today, saying these programs, together with other intelligence, have protected the u.s. and our allies. 50 plots thwarted since 9/11. how important were the surveillance programs, do you think? >> well, erin, you know, if you listen to his words carefully, he said they aided in uncovering these plots. he didn't say that they were solely led to the uncovering of
these plots. and it's important in those words, you know, perhaps there was a warning from overseas, from another intelligence service than we turn the programs on a certain individual, and confirmed the information. so without the details, you know, i'm very skeptical of this, whether it was actually key to thwarting 50 plots. you know, you just really need to look at this. we're not going to get to look at it. but i'd feel a lot better if congress independently, you know, had investigative committee look at it. >> yes, absolutely. to point the nuance of exactly what words they choose because that appears to be very crucial. i mean you know if everyone's looking for transparency here we don't really seem to be getting it because general alexander was asked by mike rogers just how much capability authorities actually have and i want to play that exchange for you, bob. >> does the technology exist at the nsa to flip a switch by some analyst to listen to americans' phone calls or read their e-mails? >> no. >> so the technology does not
exist for any individual or group of individuals at the nsa to flip a switch to listen to americans' phone calls, or read their e-mails? >> that is correct. >> now that was a pretty definitive answers. but today senator rand paul said that the president's director of national intelligence, james clapper, was quote/unquote flat-out lying when he told lawmakers in march that the government wasn't collecting data on millions of americans. is alexander lying now when he says the technology flatly does not exist to flip a switch and listen to phone calls? >> erin, again, we're parsing words. flip a switch is probably true. but the technology exists. we have it in afghanistan. we used it in iraq, as well. where you can go in and you can listen to cell telephone calls. the technology is very good, and the national security agent is brilliant at this. and yes, they could whether it's going to take a day or two to put it in place, i can't tell you. i don't know enough about it, but yes the technology does exist. a switch? no.
>> all right. well bob baer, thank you very much. of course, you know, bob didn't say this but i'll say it, i think it was pretty clear from the way representative rogers asked his question that he was asking whether the technology exists, not whether it was a switch or not. so we're still looking for answers from general alexander. "outfront" tonight democratic congressman adam schiff. he sits on the congressional committee which held that hearing today at which general alexander testified. thanks for taking the time, congressman. always good to see you. let me start off because we just had that little exchange there with bob baer that you heard where congressman rogers had asked does the technology exist to flip a switch and listen. the answer was categorically no. bob baer saying the technology does exist it's just not technically flipping a switch, it's a different kind of technology. if that's true does that frustrate you that you sat there and heard answers so definitively that could be wrong? >> you know it's very frustrating talking about this topic generally because so much of it is classified and only now are we beginning to declassify portions enough to have a -- an informed public debate about it.
but it's very hard to talk about this intelligently when so much of it is kept under wraps. and some of it kept under wraps of necessity. some kept under wraps probably in an overdue precaution, and you know, i've urged the nsa to declassify more. they are declassifying more. i think some of the most important information has come out in the last week and that is that, of this, you know, tank, this tank of meta data that contains so much it's only been queried 300 times during 2012. that is an important fact to get out to the american people. and i don't think it compromises our security to have that kind of information in the public domain. >> right. so you're saying they're collecting it but not necessarily culling through it and using it. i understand the point. what about the 50 attacks that general alexander talked about today that he says were thwarted because of the nsa gathering this meta data. do you think the nuance here that the gathering all this meta data of who was calling whom, of all these phone numbers, was critical in stopping those
attacks or not? just a small part and they could have stopped them anyway? >> well, i think what the general has said that of those 50 thwarted attacks 90% of them were stopped in the 702 program, the program called p.r.i.s.m. only 10% were stopped in the meta data program, and of the 10%, you're right, i think the agencies have been a little ambiguous about whether they were the definitive cause of stopping these plots. whether they had a contributing role. whether these plots might have been stabbed in the absence of information. some is impossible to say in the sense that if we didn't catch it through the meta data program we might still have caught it. you can't say it necessarily has saved lives but you add up the sheer number of plots over time, and i think you can reasonably conclude that not only have they improved the security of the country, but they've probably have saved american lives, or will. >> and obviously as you're aware americans are frustrated here. you know people disapprove of how the president is handling
surveillance. 61%, more than did when president bush had his nsa scandal when only half of americans disapproved. now, you heavily criticized the bush administration's surveillance programs when he was in office, and then senator barack obama did, as well. i wanted to play just a brief clip of some of the criticism this president made about president bush in 2007. >> this administration also puts forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish, and the security we provide. i will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists, without undermining our constitution and our freedom. >> then, of course, congressman there was a different president obama when his own nsa story blew up. here he is then. >> you can't have 100% security and also then have 100% privacy
and zero inconvenience. we're going to have to make some choices as a society. >> congressman, what's your point of view on that? i mean has the president basically learned once you're the boss and if a terror attack happens on your historical record that all of a sudden there are some tradeoffs that he thinks this country must make on privacy for security. >> well, i think it's a couple things. i think first what was going on in the last administration was warrantless wiretapping of americans and i remember asking the former attorney general gonzales did he believe that the commander in chief under his article ii power had the power to surveil on americans in the united states without a warrant or without court authority, and basically he said he wouldn't rule it out. that's a very different view than this president. these programs are under court supervision. they are not warrantless in the way they were in the last administration. but the president is now, as commander in chief, and not simply as a member of one of 100 senators, ultimately responsible
for the security of the country, and that is a different job than the one he had in the senate. but i do think he has a point that there is a balance between privacy and security. he thinks he struck the right balance in his administration, and a very different balance than under the bush administration. >> congressman schiff always a pleasure. still "outfront." two people held captive in an ohio home. you think you know the story? no, it's different and it's next. plus, did the roommate of amanda knox die not in a murder but in a sex game gone wrong? and a former hitman testifies against whitey bulger. but he says he was a nice family man, and his nickname by the way? the executioner? and the new treasury secretary has cleaned up his signature to go on the new dollar bill. this was the old one. you think the new one is legible?
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our second story "outfront," held captive in ohio. so for the second time in two months we're hearing people being held captive against their will in ohio. this time, a woman and child allegedly held for two years. according to federal authorities, the disabled woman and her daughter were allegedly held in an apartment in ashland, ohio, where they were forced to eat dog food and treated like slaves. >> suffice it to say these victims were repeatedly exposed to subhuman living conditions such as frequently being denied meals, access to bathroom visits, they were physically punished for toiletry accidents
and threatened not only with weapons but also vicious animals to include pit bulls and pythons. >> pit bulls and pythons. the mother and child were also forced to do manual labor and three people have been arrested including jordie callahan, jessica hunt and daniel brown. "outfront" the u.s. attorney for the northern district of ohio. and thank you very much for taking the time to be with us. what can you tell us about the victims in this case? and obviously these allegations are horrific to contemplate. >> yeah, one of the things that's so troubling about this is that according to the charges, you know, the defendants took advantage of the victim's physical disability and her love for her child. the most human of all things and used that to basically hold these two people as modern-day slaves. it's very troubling. >> and can you tell us a little bit more about how these two, the mother and daughter, came to be held captive and what their living conditions were like. >> well, look, according to the complaint that was filed in
court the living conditions were simply, you know, subhuman. talking about people who were locked in rooms, forced to work all the time. people who were threatened and beaten, and injured, people who were exploited. people who had their money and benefits stolen, sort of used as pawns to get drugs and the worst part of all this is, you know, they tried to rob the victims of their basic human dignity. so almost everything they did was to prey on them, prey on their vulnerabilities and exploit them. >> and what kind of charges are you looking at here? when you think about the ariel castro case he was holding these women captive for a decade and
raping them and abusing them and holding them in awful conditions. what we're hearing here is horrific as well. if ariel castro would go to jail for the rest of his life, what about these people? >> these charges are different. that case is being handled by the local authorities as a kidnapping case and sexual assault and rape case. this is a case where we've charged forced labor in the federal system, and obstruction of justice. and the investigation is ongoing, but the gravamen of this offense is that these individuals held these people and forced them to provide labor and services against their will for the benefit of the captors. >> all right thank you very much. as we said u.s. attorney for the northern district of ohio. well the u.s. treasury has unveiled secretary jack lew's new signature. you know i've met jack lew. he's a really nice guy. and i would have thought he had a really normal signature. but one of the things i liked the most about him was he had an utterly bizarre signature. some people called it horrible. i liked it because it was strange. even president obama joked about his signature. saying that it was, well, he just teased him about it. >> i had never noticed jack's signature. and when this was highlighted yesterday in the press, i considered rescinding my offer to appoint him. jack assures me that he is going to work to make at least one letter legible in order not to
debase our currency. >> see, i liked it because it's hard to forge. that's a squiggly thing. but anyway, mr. lew, secretary lew, he totally succumbed to the pressure. and now, i mean you know, you still can't totally read it, all right. but it's a little more normal. this is how it's going to look on the dollar bill when you get jack lew's signature. but here's the thing. should the signature be appearing on dollar bills at all? that brings me to tonight's number $4.4 billion which is how much the u.s. government could save over 30 years if the u.s. ditched the dollar bill and instead used a dollar coin. this is a dollar coin right now available only to collectors. okay. i got a problem with it, i'll tell you in a minute. that savings is even after you strip out the cost of switching over. you know when you have to switch the machines and phase out the bills. but you're still going to save $4.4 billion. but here's the thing americans don't care, they don't want to save the money. this coin is part of a series of $1 coins with images of presidents which was introduced in 2007. but nobody wanted them.
and i'll tell you why, because all they are is the size of a quarter and the width of a quarter but colored gold. so it's like you can't feel the difference. it's all about touch. and september 2011 then-treasury secretary tim geithner told the mint to stop with the coins. there was about $1.4 billion in surplus coins just sitting around that nobody wanted to use. people like to pick on europe. this is a two euro coin. it's got different colors. it's fatter, it's thicker, i put my hand in my wallet and i can tell it's real money, not skinny. we could do it just make it feel different than the quarter. a thirty story "outfront." was it a sex game gone horribly wrong? knox was acquitted by an appeals court in 2011 but the high court overturned that ruling and said the jury didn't consider all the evidence, including a theory from the prosecution that
kirsher was killed during a twisted sex game. a new trial could start this fall, and this is bad news for amanda knox's camp. paul, this is bad news. obviously they were hoping to avoid a retrial here. >> this is very bad news here. this is a 74 page opinion that really ripped apart the appellate court, which ordered her acquittal. so knox, you know, fans are very, very upset at this point. >> all right. so explain what happened here. they're saying originally the prosecution had this theory of a sex game gone wrong that then was not pursued and was not part of the case, was not part of the ultimate appellate acquittal. so why did they abandon this theory and is now going to become the center of everything? >> explaining the italian court system is no easy task. she's been tried twice. at the first trial the prosecutor starts out by saying this was a sex game gone wrong. that's the motive for the
killing. that went so badly during the l e of disappeared. so when the appellate court then came in and took a second look at the case, they had real problems with the motive issue. so now enter the supreme court, the highest court, they say there was strong motive evidence here and you should have considered that. >> all right. so it's unlikely she's going to return to testify. she's in the u.s., why would she do that? but if she's convicted at a third trial of this murder will the u.s. extradite her to serve her time in prison? >> i think that's a fascinating question. and a lot of people say oh, the u.s. will never send her back. but bear in mind, if a hit man the u.s. says we want him back. >> they'll say no because you didn't give us amanda. >> you say we have a kangaroo court system and what do you do, you have a nice rule for nice-looking girls from seattle? they don't get extradited to the united states when three levels of courts in italy have found them guilty? it's going to be a tough argument for the u.s. and i frankly don't know how it's going to turn out. it will be more politics than law in the end.
>> wow. fascinating, and everyone's watching. paul callan. thank you. a man with the nickname the executioner speaking of the mafia took the stand today despite taking part in 20 murders and hit jobs. he says he's just a nice family man. i'm sure tony soprano would understand. and the jury who will try george zimmerman in the trayvon martin case. what does the racial makeup mean for this trial? everything or not? we're going to ask a lawyer for the martin family. and, a deadly land slide.
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and the whole building in with a giant splash. and obviously there are lives lost here. monsoon rains can clearly be dangerous, but they're also vital to agriculture in india. according to a usda report monsoon rain irrigate more than half of india's farmland, good monsoon rains boost yields and reduce costs of production. very sad news we want to share with you tonight because we have just learned of the death of a reporter named michael hastings. buzzfeed confirms hastings died in a car accident early this morning in los angeles. he was the reporter who wrote famous profile of stanley mcchrystal former commander of the u.s. war in afghanistan. that profile which ultimately led to his resignation. buzzfeed editor in chief said the staff is devastated by the news and called him a fearless journalist with an incredible instinct for the story. it's a tragic story no matter how you look at it. but perhaps more so when you consider this, hastings was only 33 years old. reading between the lines is what the wall street will be doing tomorrow. the federal reserve is going to release the results of a two-day
meeting. nobody expects they're going to stop pumping money into the economy but we know they're going to do it at some point but wall street is going to be reading between every line to get a sense of timing and nuance. rbc capital markets put it this way the markets will be looking for a distinction between applying less pressure to the gas pedal and hitting the brake. it's that balance that ben bernanke is trying to get right. and meanwhile there's speculation about who's going to succeed mr. bernanke. in an interview with charlie rose president obama said bernanke has already stayed a lot longer than he wanted or he was supposed to. ben bernanke's made no secret of the fact he wants to go home. it has been 684 days since u.s. lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? there is more good news on housing. the government report shows the pace of home building rose 7%. our fourth story "outfront" evidence mounting tonight against ex-mob boss james known as whitey bulger. prosecution star witness and former hit man john martorano
took the stand again today. for the first time he said bulger wasn't just an accessory to murder but the former head of boston's irish mob pulled the trigger. that's a significant development here and in a sweeping federal indictment bulger is accused of drug dealing, extortion, and 19 murders committed while he was a prized fbi informant. "outfront" kevin cullen, a reporter for "the boston globe" and author of "whitey bulger: america's most wanted gangster and the manhunt that brought him to justice." what exactly did martorano say when this big revelation came out that according to him whitey bulger actually pulled the trigger? >> that was the killing of a guy named eddie coners. eddie had helped them set up a guy named spike o'toole. after spike was murdered, eddie was bragging about it, and the winter hill gang decided he had to go. the hit team came over, johnny martorano who usually was a hands-on guy himself. he was the driver he claims and he says that he took whitey bulger and stevie flemmi,
whitey's partner in crime, and they actually laid an ambush for eddie coners when he went to a phone booth supposedly to talk to holly winter the head of the gang they opened fire on him. john martorano admitted under oath that he did not see whitey pull the trigger. that he was over the hill, and that whitey and stevie ran up to the car after he heard the gunshots and said he's gone. >> did bulger's defense team when they were trying to defend against this actually putting the gun in whitey bulger's hand but john martorano was able to do today did they do a good job defending him? >> well i think hank brennan, one of whitey's lawyers, did a very good job on cross-examination of martorano. if only by portraying him as venal and vile a guy as he is. there was this almost comical exchange about john not admitting he was a serial killer. because he said serial killers enjoy killing and he never enjoyed killing.
the one thing the defense really has a problem with and this is just indisputable. john martorano put himself in those murders. they did not have him on any murders until he actually volunteered to give them up as a way to get back at whitey. he was so angry at whitey and stevie flemmi for being informants with the fbi that he was the one that volunteered to give the murders and put them in murders and put himself in murders, as he said today from the stand the racketeering indictment he was facing when he got grabbed by steve johnson of the state police here in 1995, he might have done two, three years, tops. and then he put himself in a murder, and -- in 20 murders. he admitted to 20 murders and he ended up doing 12 years which is a sweet heart deal by any definition. as the prosecution will argue, they had whitey, they had nobody in any of these murders, they were all unsolved murders until john martorano came forward and admitted that he did them. >> what about whitey bulger. obviously he's sitting just a few feet away from john
martorano as he's been testifying. you've had a chance to watch his face. >> he will not even give johnny martorano the satisfaction of looking at him and staring him down and thinking that what he is saying is bothering him. he's just ignoring him. >> kevin, thank you so much. >> thanks, erin. >> all right and now to san ford, florida, where the judge is one step closer to seating a jury in the george zimmerman murder trial. today the judge narrowed the pool of potential jurors down to 40 and we do know a little bit about this group. of course i'm going to cite the orlando sun sentinel who's done the reporting on this. they say that of the pool of 40 it's going to get winnowed down to six total, of that pool, 22 are white, 6 are black, 2 are hispanic, 1 identifies as mixed race and 9 are not racially identified at all. there are 24 women and 16 men and they skew middle aged. now, zimmerman identifies himself as hispanic, and as you are aware, has admitted to shooting black teen trayvon martin last year. he says it was self-defense. he has pleaded not guilty.
attorney benjamin crump is representing the family of trayvon martin. let me start off with the way this is now. now look it's 40. we don't know what the group of six is going to end up being. obviously right now 22 of the 40 are white, only 6 are black. if this final pool of six is not 3-3 can you get a fair trial? >> we believe we can, erin. trayvon's parents and i sit in the courtroom every day and we watch the demographics of the jury and we listen to every answer that they are honest and truthful because as long as they're honest and truthful we believe they'll be fair and impartial, and we know if we get a fair and impartial jury, based on the evidence, george zimmerman will be convicted. >> now, let me ask you about zimmerman's racial background. and i think it's fair people have talked about how important race is in this case you know, and some have said this would be different if trayvon martin was white. but george zimmerman is hispanic.
is that relevant, as well? he's not white. >> well, you know, they say white, hispanic, people have to decide for themselves how much emphasis to put on ethnicity. what we do know from jury selection, there were many prospective hispanic jurors who came and answered questions, saying they believed george zimmerman was guilty, and they were hispanic. and so that's all we can ask for, that people are honest, and fair, and say we're going to base our verdict on the evidence, and nothing more. and if that's the case, erin, it doesn't matter who's on that jury. the evidence is there to hold him accountable for killing an unarmed teenager. >> and, and, and there have been people out there, ben i know you've already, you know you've responded to this at times but there are people out there who say look if there isn't a guilty verdict there's going to be, you know, there's going to be riots on the streets. people keep saying this. and, and, and i think you
believe that just saying that in and of itself would be, is, is, is racist. >> well, what i do believe is this. all the evidence is there to convict george zimmerman, so, i think somebody should start asking the question, when they return a just and fair verdict and it's a guilty verdict against george zimmerman, how are the zimmerman supporters going to act? nobody asks that question, even though trayvon parents get so many threats and so many nasty things said to them, nobody's asking the question about the zimmerman supporters, and their reaction to the guilty verdict. >> so, so, what do you, do you think will happen? do you think if there's you know there's a verdict one or one way or the other do you think that the american public will accept it and move on? or do you think that there's going to be anger and violence?
>> well, erin, i think this is a very emotional case. and but that's why it's so important that this has to be very fair. it has to be very transparent so everybody can see the case unfold, and they can accept the verdict. because they said it was fair and it was transparent and everybody got equal justice. and the other point, erin, everybody's talking about this voice analysis that she the judge is going to rule on tomorrow. >> right the 911 tapes, yes. >> yes, ma'am. a big point on that, that people are not asking or talking about is the best voice expert on a person's voice is them. george zimmerman told detective serano three days after the tragedy when the 911 screams were played for him that that didn't sound like him. so, he's the expert here. and i believe once the jury hears this evidence, they're going to hold him guilty of killing trayvon martin. the evidence is overwhelming. >> all right. well thank you very much, benjamin crump. always appreciate talking to you. still "outfront" is the number
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and we are back with tonight's outer circle where we reach out to our sources around the world. tonight we go to london where police met with charles saatchi the husband of celebrity chef nigella lawson about an incident in which he was photographed grabbing his wife's throat. he's obviously one of the
wealthiest men in the world. i asked matthew chance what happened in the meeting. >> erin, british police have now cautioned the husband of celebrity chef nigella lawson after he was photographed in a london restaurant grasping the neck of his wife. charles saatchi, a 70-year-old millionaire advertising executive, and art collector, says he voluntarily went to a police station to receive the caution because it was, quote, better than the alternative of this hanging over all of us for months. there's been no comment still from the 53-year-old nigella lawson on the incident which shocked britain, after the photographs were published at the weekend. charles saatchi had initially described the images as showing a playful tiff. there was no grip he told a london newspaper, adding that nigella's tears were because we both hate arguing, not because she had been hurt.
the power of a song. specifically this song. this terribly disgusting song, blurred lines by robin thick. the most popular right now. i hate to say this, but i have to let you listen to make up your own mind. so here goes. ♪ ♪ you're a good girl, the way you grab me ♪ ♪ must want to get nasty >> and there's plenty of things in there i can't show you. that was the g-rated part. yeah. listeners think it's catchy with a good beat. the numbers speak for themselves. but it's also "kind of rapey." tricia writes, it's how a girl wants crazy, wild sex but doesn't say it. "outfront" tonight, two men shaking their heads. i'm assuming the woman is not,
but i do not know. okay, you both sitting there shaking your head. when i said it's a bad song, you're rolling your eyes on me. there's a second version where all the women are naked. >> i've seen it. >> i'm sure you have. >> i was doing research for the show. >> things continue here, i know you want it, but you're a good girl. i show you want it -- i'm not going to read all the words. they get much more -- >> graphic? >> is this promoting rape? >> i don't think so at all. i would not joke around at all if it was. i'm involved with a group that counters domestic violence. i think it's playful. it's the song, upbeat, catchy and fun. it degrades women a little bit. have you watched "true blood?"
the guy that plays a werewolf has his shirt off every scene. sex sells. >> what is this look you're giving me? >> this song is so there's a man with a syringe, who appears to be miming injecting the syringe into a woman's bottom. there's a woman holding a lamb in her arms as though the lamb is possibly her lover. this song is about fantasy, about role play. it's bizarro. >> now you're talking about having sex with lambs. >> that's the point of it. it's totally weird. the thing is, that's one of the delights of our culture, that you have the normal way one lives, then you have musicians and artists and others who realize a fantasy life for us. so you need to have a space for fantasy and play in our culture. >> okay.
stephanie, a blogger writes on a website, a feminist in l.a., the majority of the song has someone murmuring, i know you want me over and over again. seriously, this song is disgusting, though admittedly very catchy. what's your take? number one on the bill board means a lot of teenagers and kids are listening. >> erin, i've got your back on this topic, sister. our two friends there, are they running for republican congress? are we discussing the degrees of rapey-ness now? i mean, i think it's offensive. erin, i don't know if you saw the one thing where the guy blows smoke in her face and she goes like this and she says you know you want snit like really, i want cancer in secondhand smoke? i think it's offensive. >> you don't think i'm number one on the bill board charts without having a lot of women enjoying the song. but the thing is, there's -- role play is a part of sexual practice in our culture. the idea of having a sense of i mean, i think it's offensive. erin, i don't know if you saw the one thing where the guy blows smoke in her face and she goes like this and she says you know you want snit like really, i want cancer in secondhand smoke?
i think it's offensive. >> you don't think i'm number one on the bill board charts without having a lot of women enjoying the song. but the thing is, there's -- role play is a part of sexual practice in our culture. the idea of having a sense of human around these things, that's exactly where it's fun, it's transgress save. the more we talk about this, he knows there are so few tabus left in our culture, that's the point of the syringe and the lamb. it's totally weird and why it's fun. >> a song that repeats "i know you want it, i know you want it, i know you want it," how is that -- there are songs out there that say that in rap land. but this is something that's number one that will be heard by a lot of girls. wow you want your daughter hearing that?
>> i think it would be troubling. i don't think it's popular because of the lyrics. you know, it has a theme in here, the real theme is women want the nice girl on the street and the freaky girl in the bedroom. usher said the same thing in 2008. this is a theme we've heard time and time again. >> are you talking about the christmas song? >> exactly. it's persuasion. >> that's romance. >> exactly. these two people in a song are a couple. >> this is talking about shoving a syringe in someone's butt. >> no, it's not. it's this playful persuasion that happens in relationships. >> i'm sorry, erin. they're all good with it until it's their daughter. it's disgusting. >> oh. okay. thank you, guys. all right. always a pleasure. now to tonight's "outtake." tonight is game six of the nba finals, and i will add mitt, i'm
not a basketball fan, as anyone close to me knows. i do like some basketball players and i love cool sports shoes. today, when we found out lebron james and nike might have a new version of their shoes, we got excited. until we saw it. this is one ugly shoe. this is from kicksinthecity.com. the starting price for shoes like these is $165. are you kidding? it also says lebron james is the two-time champion in the shoe, which he is not. he would need to win tonight to be crowned a champion again. so he's selling an ugly shoe that is not true. that's not the only good brand that's got bad today. oreo is rolling out a watermelon oreo. that is not cute or tasty, it is
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this is "piers morgan live." welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. three suspects in a hire of accused of keeping a mentally disabled woman and her daughter slaved in an apartment with snakes, dogs and iguanas. should the boy who wore this nra t-shirt go to jail? his father joins me and the government says nsa snooping shopped 50 terror plots. a plot so crazy, robbing celebrities homes, paris hilton in the chair with me tonight. a mentally dils abled woman