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if some brainchild can look at that and come up with another idea how that happened, god bless them. but it's been 17 years and that hasn't happened. welcome to the program. we'll talk with bill maher. >> politicians will always say, if we only had a government as good as the people. our big problem is that we do. >> here's the thing. if you're going to make a film about the end of the world, and your friends are the funniest out there, you better check your feelings at the door. that's what jay baruchel and his pals had to do with their new picture called "this is the end." >> if you're making a movie where everyone is insulting everybody, i would assume people will get offended.
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>> she's walked that line between really big films. ellen page talks about acting and accountability. >> we live in a time where expressing emotion is seen as weakness and i think it is the exact opposite. >> "stroumboulopoulos" starts now. [ applause ] here we go. the show is under way for the night. i don't know if you've seen the trailer for "this is the end" with jay baruchel. google it. if you're easily offended, don't, don't. but if you're not, check it out. so the guy that has been able to offend people and also to really validate other's opinions is bill maher over the years. bill maher has been sharing his opinions for ages. got himself canceled that said some controversial in this country. but he's found his place, and there's a lot to get into with mr. bill maher. here's his story.
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>> what do we want? a small improvement. when do we want it? 2016. he used to be a nazi and he wears the hats. >> the jokes and the controversial statement -- >> america, home of the freedom pit. >> with all of that, bill maher was the son of william maher senior, who stopped going to church because he didn't believe on the stance on birth control. growing up in rivervale, new jersey, he took the job that bums out every parent. he said i want to be a comic. so for 15 years, he was a comedian's comedian. hosting shows at new york city comedy shows, and doing small roles in movies. in 1993, comedy central, an unknown cable network, gave bill his own show. "politically incorrect" and it
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prospered until this. >> say what you want about it. >> but it wasn't over for bill, he got himself a new network and new name. bill is still going strong, giving his point of view from religion, peta, food, guns, marijuana, and donald trump's resemblance to an orangutan. at the end of the day, bill is a comic about something. everybody, please welcome to the show bill maher! [ applause ] >> congratulations. >> look at you, you made it to america.
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there's some people in canada looking at you like lebron james. >> let them feel that way, that's okay too. >> our game. >> i was thinking about the run you've been on with "real time." could you ever imagine that this is the place you would be right now? >> well, we tape in the studio that we're in right now, and i've been on this same lot, we tape "politically incorrect here" we taped "realtime." here. i was with abc, now with hbo, and industry the same office and the same phone number. because i'm a gangsta. >> does it feel different at all for you? >> it's a different show. "politically incorrect" was fun for what it was, but it was a designed train wreck. it was on five nights a week, four guests, 20 people talking about politics.
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there aren't 20 people in america that know about politics. let alone that i could get on my show. the show we do now was once a week. it's truly for smart people. this is a real a-list kind of panel that's really smart and there's many -- fewer celebrities. we used to have a lot of celebrities. all you had to do was get on "politically incorrect" was be breathing. >> the way reality television is now, everybody is famoufamous. >> i read the tabloids, and half of these people, i have no idea who they are. even if they're on the cover,
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because they're a reality personal. if you don't follow that word, you know, of people throwing drinks in each other's faces, you don't know who they are. >> can you get a handle on a culture based on who they determine is famous at the time? >> that's a smart observation. people know that that is true, what do people worship? what does a society worship? you can't get a handle. our culture is shallow. we're proud of it. that's who we are. we've got to own it. >> is it a place where you found jon stewart is great, tavis smiley, a group of people that have found a real footing. >> of course, it's a big country, over 300 million people. there's a great smart european country in america. it's just surrounded by a bunch of rednecks. but sure, a european country is, you know, like germany, france, england, those countries are
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between 60 million, 80 million people. we have those 60 to 80 million smart people. we just have more people. >> can you find a way to make those disparate opinions and values work? >> obviously, you know that we have a lot of paralysis in our government. we obviously can't do that anymore. that's a real shame. the two parties had different governing philosophies, always. but they did find ways to work together. and there was things that they could find common ground with. that doesn't exist anymore, and it's not the fault of them equally. one party is a bunch of knuckle draggers. i won't say which. but the fault does not go around equally. it's partly the media's fault because they're not very bright either and they promote false equivalency. we should put the blame where it
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is. >> i want to play this clip, one of the greats of alltime. sltz they're out in the open now, not even trying to conceal it anymore. the owners of the country, they got their election and said we're going to get this election and put you people in that court for a opinion. forget all that stupid [ bleep ]. >> that's what i loved about george carlin. he was not afraid to do that. politicians will always say, if we only had a government as good as the people. well, our big problem is that we do. we have exactly a government as good as the people. our democracy is very representative. we get to choose these people and these are the people that we put into office. it does come back to the people. they're very easily fooled, and they're horribly misinformed about everything. and the people who watch fox news the live in a bubble i can't even describe to you. they have the facts that never get in. it's like the air lock on an
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alien movie that you can't let the alien in or else you have to blow up the ship, that's the situation we have in this country is you have a hard time passing legislation that means something if people don't understand what's in it. they still don't understand what's in obama care. they still don't know what that is, and we passed that three years ago. >> so there's an intellectual impasse going on. is there a way around snit >> not a quick fix. it would start with education, but we don't really concentrate on that in this country. we don't have a sense in this country that it's -- we're all in it together. it's an every man for himself philosophy that governs this country, much more than other western democracies. and that's not a good thing for a country, because every country is now a quausi socialist country. in america, most people don't know what it means, they just
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know it's super bad like pedophilia or atheism. meanwhile, they do nothing but take money from the government. they hate socialism, but live on social security, farm subsidies, unemployment, all this money. but they hate socialism. >> is this a natural place for this country to be for its age? >> you're saying we're a teenager? >> that is part of it. civilizations literally do grow up. i mean, europe is the old civilization, and then in some ways, they're jaded, and that's not great, and they're worn out in some ways and there is energy here that maybe you don't have in the old world. but they also do have that sort of wisdom and that savvy, and they understand -- they don't get excited about oh, my god, we're becoming a socialist country. so what, if it works, that's all
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that matters. >> how much of this guy, this version of you that has a strong belief system, but the ability to stand by it. is it from your father >> father and mother. my father did it for a living, which was different. he was a newsman in the days of radio news, when there was radio news at the top of the hour on every radio station. and it's something we talked about in the home, which i think was different than most kids. i think most american families, if they have dinner together at all, if the family is together at all, they're watching tv at dinner or talking about reality tv or whatever. >> stuff you would have teen in your life. >> i remember the riots in chicago, when the democratic convention was there. i was 12 years old. >> big moment. >> yeah. i remember the summer of love. and then '68 was like the summer of hate. it was the opposite. it all turned. the people who were on drugs were not sketchy characters or
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in the gutter. they were od'ing and the police were beating people up, and the country was at each other's throats. assassinations. >> that would leave a mark in a way or at least put a filter the way you would see institutions. >> doctor, i know our time is up, but i hope we can get into this next week. >> i heard that your father left the church at one point. >> the best day of my life is when i found out we don't have to go to church anymore. i was 13 years old. i put this -- i interviewed my mother for my religious documentary. i wanted to ask her on camera, because i never really understood this. why did we stop going to church? and why did you, mom, never -- i knew at this point in my life i knew she was jewish. but i never knew when i was a
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kid. we were catholics. my father, sister and i were catholics. i had to go to catechism, do all that bull [ bleep ]. my mother stayed home and i ever asked why. i was just so petrified about church that i wasn't thinking about anything else. why didn't you tell me when i was younger? she was like, well, i didn't think it was my place. the mindset back then was so different. i was like, but you weren't catholic. why were you helping me with the catechism? she said well, the way we thought back then, it's better to have some religious training than none. as long as you believe in nonsense of some kind, that's what's important. >> let's memory lane this now. >> i was raised catholic formally, although the jewish mind comes out even in the catholic system. we used to go to confession and i would bring a lawyer in with me.
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>> that's my first time on tv. that's johnny carson, 1982. >> what was going through your mind just before? >> that my pants were too tight. >> were your nervous at all? >> of course, we're all nervous, because we know that's like the -- if you don't pass that test, you don't go on. if you do well, you might have a career in show business, and you are legitimized. if you don't do well, there's really nothing for you, because every other show you would do would be to build up to that show, to the "tonight" show. so there was a lot riding on it. you've been working in clubs, you know, where the audience can be very difficult and drunk and whatever, heckling. now you're on with johnny carson, who set you up. we found a fabulous young comedian. you're going to love him. all that bull he would stay every time.
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hard commodity to find. there was a new one every week. if you did well, you got to keep going. the mistake people made in that era was it made you a star. those days are over. i did 30 "tonight" shows and still was not very well known. but it could get you your own show. >> more of bill maher right after this. we'll talk about bill's childhood habits. stick around. it's a fresh-over. that's great. tastes like you just picked them. so far it's about the best strawberry i've had this year. walmart works directly with growers to get you the best quality of produce they've ever had. all this produce... is from walmart. oh my god. i'm shocked. (laughing) i know where i'm going to be shopping for strawberries now. get 2 full pounds of strawberries, just $2.98. backed by our 100% money back guarantee. walmart
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have opinion changes and let you evolve? >> i'm certainly free to evolve, but when you're a politician you can't evolve. you have to have the same opinion at 60 as you did when you were 18, or else you were a flip-flopper. but yes, i've switched by opinion, because i now have more information. >> what's the biggest shift you've had? >> that's a good question. i'll give you one. like hunting. i'm a big animal right s advocate. but when i talk to a real hunter. they say, do you eat meat? sometimes i do. i'm not against killing animals if it's humanely. they kill each other. you know, we are at the top of the food chain, i get that. would you rather eat something that was factory farmed where they tortured the animal or do you think it's better that i can kill an animal in the wild and eat the whole thing? then i would have to concede that is a preferable method than
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keeping it in a pen in its even feces. >> peta is one of those groups that when you're a loud group or have a strong position. >> they're on the edge. i don't agree with everything they say or do. but animal rights wasn't even on the agenda before they existed. so they kind of had to elbow their way into the room. there is no constituency, except the constituency of the heart for the animals. there's no money in it. they can't vote. i kind of related, i understand people who feel that way about children and feel that way about abortion. i'm pro choice. but i always say you don't have to be religious to be against abortion. if you say okay, i'm against gay marriage and i think gays are wicked.
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that's coming from the bible. that's nonsense. but you can be an atheist and understand that, you know, a child inside of the womb, it's not a child yet, but it's becoming one. i kind of get advocacy of something that's innocent. i don't feel it there, i feel it for animals. that's where i feel that compassion. >> when you were a kid, was that your deal? >> i collected butterflies when i was a kid. maybe it's all guilt from that. you are a psychiatrist, aren't you? yes, there was a killing jar.
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it's we don't see that many butterflies anymore, because -- it wasn't me. i personally didn't kill them all. look at these people blaming me. yeah, bees are dying out. we are completely destroying the planet. >> is it inevitable? are we just doing what we're designed to? >> it's not inevitable, but have i lost all hope? no. but i always say it's the younger people who have to be
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passionate about this. more than i am. i'm 57. i've had my fun with the word. when you're 25, you're the one who is going to be on the cleanup committee. you're going to be wearing a haz/mat suit to go down and get the mail. right before
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you go to bed. there's just too much ignorance and hatred and it's depressing. it's depressing that people aren't fair. trust me, i could say good morning on twitter and there would be immediately within a minute saying where do you get off saying good morning, bill maher? ronald reagan invented morning and you're not fit to shine his shoes. they're just looking to be contrary. it can really depress me to read the twitter feed. but i have to remind myself, i don't think that is america, necessarily. but it is a side of it. >> what a pleasure. thanks for coming in. bill maher, ervel. we'll be right back. so much more to come tonight. jay baruchel is here, talking about working with clint eastwood. and ellen page later in the red chair. to play, stay active, and enjoy the outdoors.
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ok, well, remember last week when you hit vinny in the head with a shovel? [chuckling] i do not recall that. of course not. well, it was too graphic for the kids, so i'm going to have to block you. you know, i got to make this up to you. this is vinny's watch.
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welcome back here on the show. all right. i haven't done the math on this yet, not because i don't care about you, i'm just not very good about math. but how many people start out doing kid's tv shows? and then grow up a little bit and find a real moment with clint eastwood and then get to be in some of the best comedies of their time, as well? he's done it all with a maple leaf tattooed right over his heart. he's a good man, he's jay baruchel. >> jay baruchel is hilarious. >> he's like a cool young woody
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alan. >> i love how cute and nerdy he is. >> he's out of my league. >> it's cool to see an actor with that kind of range. [ applause ] >> as i said, jay baruchel! [ applause ] are you? >> i'm very well. chilling. >> chilling. >> good scary movies, good disaster movies, that's where you learn how you really would be. >> or something, yeah. >> how close is it to you? >> i would like to think i'm not as much of a sad sack as i come off in the movie. but probably am just as much of a worry wart and sad sack as i come off in the movie.
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it was like we just sort of figured out what's lamest >> it started in like 2006. seth and i were in this short film called "jay and seth versus the apocalypse." i played jay, and seth played seth. fascinating stuff. >> and you guys were true to yourself. >> we tried our best and to keep it real. i don't even know what that means. and then they convinced somebody who controls purse strings that this could be a movie movie. of course, when it's a short film, it can be just seth and i in an apartment for a big future studio movie it has to be a mansion.
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>> was everybody a buddy on that show? >> oh, yeah. we're as buddies as our lifestyles allow us to be. i live in montreal, and they live out here, and we're all fairly busy, and north of 30. but yeah, at this point, i would stay -- i've known seth since we were both 18. and i'm 31 now, so i'm terrible at math, but that feels like a while. >> long enough. >> so at this point, the only word i could use to describe it is family, blood. >> you are going to babysit tracy tomorrow night. >> oh, no. what are the hours? >> alex is doing very well. >> alex is doing really well. that's the show that's never appeared in this country, i
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don't think. >> that was in 1996. >> yeah about that. my hometown. >> did you know that's what you wanted to do at that time? >> even before i started acting at 12, i had known all i wanted to do, it's kind of cool, passion has remained consistent my whole life. all i've wanted to do is write and direct horror movies and action movies. so like my way into acting was a means of getting to be on the set. i have a great respect for acting. >> who took you to your first movie? >> mom and dad. i think the first -- they claim that they brought me as a baby to see "e.t." of course, i can't vouch for that. but the first i remember seeing is "star trek 4" with my parents. where they go back in time in san francisco to kidnap the humpback whale. >> classic story. >> it's up there for me.
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>> so you get on a set with clint eastwood as the director. how was that? >> scary is the word. definitely scary. well, still to this day clint eastwood is the only guy i've worked for that were my grand dad was still alive, he would have been impressed by. my grand dad had no idea who ben stiller or any of those were, but clint eastwood. >> but he's not a nurturing director, is he? >> well, the first day was quite a learning curve for me, because i was -- i could. help but feel the goeps of my grandfather watching me. there's clint eastwood and morgan freeman. it'stake, i was like, was that all right, sir?
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yeah, that was final. i thought he was going to fire me. i just imagined a flurry of cell phone calls to my agent about like, do you have anybody else skinny who can play disabled? and then, i guess, morgan freeman saw me freaking out and he leaned over and he said, if he doesn't say anything, it means he likes it. i was like oh, it. you never get -- like, that one more is infinite. it would force this epiphany where it doesn't matter how i feel about it. he's the director, he's making the movie. if he thinks i serve my purpose, if i've done what i have to do, what difference does it make?
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>> is that compartmentalized to you just onset or are you like that in life? >> i suppose. i have to say i'm pretty content for the most part with my life. you know, i have a really great mother and sister. i live very close to them. i have an awesome house with cats in it. >> how many cats? >> there's two right now. >> because three is the limit, right? you can have three, but after three, and three is each weird in some places. >> i agree. i know that these two cats that i have make an unholy stink in my basement constantly. here's a disgusting little bit of trivia. we were making this movie "tropic thunder" in hawaii, a lot of people got sick on the set from massive pooh inhalation from the mud.
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every animal in god's creation was poohing into this mud and we were working in it and a great deal of people got really sick. this is a fascinating story, guys. so glad you showed up. considering that the symptoms are a cross between monoand food poisons, i was one of the few that didn't get sick, which i was like super psyched about. and i was like, that's just because i grew up around cat pooh and didn't wash my hands after cleaning the litter boxes. >> you're just tough. >> if nothing else, i have a high tolerance for pooh. >> stick around, more with jay after this. >> please do. coming up, more with jay.
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welcome back. i want to go back to the movies for just a second. are you a religious person? >> that's a tough question to answer. i suppose yes and no. i was kind of raised in two faiths growing up. one was catholic and my dad was jewish, and we were sort of, you know, mom read the bible to me when i was a little kid like 2
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or 3 or something. even back then she read it to me with this sort of caveat of, remember, god didn't write this, men wrote this. that's fair enough. i'll give the ultimate cop-out answer, i'm probably agnostic. if there is a heaven, i'll feel like a shmuck when i show up there. >> if there's a heaven, i don't think agnostics are getting in either based on the bible. >> i think i have a better shot. i guess to be hokie for a second, i would be lying if i said that i hadn't seen some things in my life which led me to believe that there was a kind of connectedness to things. whatever that is, whatever is behind that, i definitely -- i've seen something. >> what kind of things?
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>> well, sometimes there's -- you notice patterns, you notice things happen a certain way that they should. good or bad. i've been able to see this sort of -- again, this is all -- this might just be the delusions of a pothead, but i have seen things in my life, and i just like -- i don't know, it can't hurt to keep my mind open. >> a lot of people want to feel like they have some sense of control over their life. are you one of those people? >> indeed, yeah, yeah. >> that's something that can be taken away from you. >> i suppose. there's times where it's nice to breathe a bit easier and just to forfeit control to some higher power.
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you know, i just -- i think i'll find control in the places where it allows itself to be found. what i can control is the food i eat, what i do with my free time, and hopefully, you know, what i do with -- what i do for a living, for the most part any way. because there's so much other stuff you can't control. so yes and no. >> so good to see you. >> likewise, buddy. >> jay baruchel, ervel. [ applause ] we'll be right back. next on "stroumboulopoulos," when artists become political. we talwith ellen page about her new movie. [ female announcer ] last day, deb.
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"east." welcome ellen page. how are you? >> hey. >> welcome. >> thank you. thank you. >> how are you? >> i'm good. >> nice to see you down here. >> nice to be here with you. >> on "the east," i know that you're an interested person at what happens in the world. in the movie where you're talking about something that is of the time, corporate responsibility poisoning the earth, groups trying to hold them accountable, is that more exciting for you to get into that kind of thing? >> yeah, firstly i was just a fan and i loved "sound of my voic voice." to get a script that is so well written and thrilling with topics that i think about, and i think a lot of people are
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thinking and right now. of course makes it that much more enticing and interesting to sort of explore your own anger and your own frustration, which is i think very palpable right now with people, regardless of where you are on the political spectrum or a chris chtian or atheist or whatever. interesting time to be alive. >> what did you identify in yourself where you said i do have this frustration and this ageer? >> you know, a lot of the anger could be at one's self. that's what makes it complicated. every morning that i open my eyes, i'm oppressing a lot of people because of the way our society is structured. >> one country's gain is off at the expense of others. >> of course. we have a system that is
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absolutely profit before people. economic system based on just exponential growth, just constant, constant growth, which reflects nothing in the natural world. and we've found the poorest countries to exploit. and then it get my iphone and tweet. >> you have to be okay with being vulnerable. are you okay with that? >> yeah. i mean, i think it's so funny vulnerability. i think to be vulnerable requires a lot of courage, and i think it's funny that we see vulnerability as a weakness. i see vulnerability as this brave way of opening and way of relating to one another. my job is so fantastic, because i get paid to go to work to go
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to all kinds of different parts of myself, and really go through a lot of emotional turmoil, you know. >> people watch "hard candy" and all the other stuff you've dope, you haven't necessarily taken the easy road. >> i wouldn't want to. it's funny when people say oh, that must have been challenging because you were on the basement floor being tortured or whatever. and i mean, it is and it can be difficult. but there's also something incredible about having that release, quite frankly. i just think when you go about your life every day, that's so not allowed, you know, where we live in a time where sort of expressing emotion is seen as weakness. i think it's absolutely the exact opposite. >> let's go back for a second. >> we never get to see you anymore.
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you're asleep when you come home. >> that was my first acting job. i was 10 years old. >> that's unbelievable. >> more with ellen right after this. [ applause ] coming up, the danger of tweeting early in the morning. more with ellen, next. where we switched their fruits and veggies with produce from walmart. it's a fresh-over. that's great. tastes like you just picked them. so far it's about the best strawberry i've had this year. walmart works directly with growers to get you the best quality of produce they've ever had. all this produce... is from walmart. oh my god. i'm shocked. (laughing) i know where i'm going to be shopping for strawberries now. get 2 full pounds of strawberries, just $2.98. backed by our 100% money back guarantee. walmart we've been bringing people together. today, we'd like people to come together on something that concerns all of us. obesity.
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we're back here. ellen page is here. what i love about anybody who
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makes a film with any political component to it, i can't wait for the backlash. do you think about that? >> yeah, i don't care at all. what's funny is when people say oh, it's an idea movie. it's funny to me because everything that happens in the movie is something that has happened or is happening, you know? it's to me just so profoundly relevant and doesn't offer a different window of perspective into certain goings on that we're not used to seeing. then sure, everything in the movie is stuff that's real. >> do you plot out the kinds of choices you want to make? do you plot out the films you want to make? i want to do this or that? >> no, but maybe i should. maybe it's to my own detriment,
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but things come along, and if they speak to me and i feel passionate about it and i want to live with it or explore it and work with certain people, then i want to do it. it's that simple. >> are you good with stress? >> i don't know. some could say yes, some would say no. >> who would say no? >> i guess it depends on the stress. >> what would you say? >> internally i would say no, but i make it seem like i'm good with stress. >> here's a tweet from you which made me laugh. shop till you drop, at least until the sad tinging is tamed. clear out the toxins with fox skins. >> i think i had just woke up.
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i was reading the latest ad busters. i mean, we consume too much. i think that's obvious. >> there's such a bizarre thing to this business that you can reach out to people. twitter has become amazing for people who wouldn't otherwise be heard. in the early days, it was a place where people wanted to see what celebrities thought. have you found yourself in the post tweet moment where, i shouldn't do that? >> no, i think twitter is interesting. i love it. some people's tweets make my life. i want to follow big mckiben and i want to know what 350.org is doing. >> you met him, what was that like? >> amazing.
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>> like a leader, we're talking about environment. >> incredible writer, incredible writer. he wrote this book called "deep economy" that i read a few years ago and it was one of those books that is so paradigm shifting and so profoundly powerful. he's incredible what he's doing and what 350 is doing. so twitter is amazing for something like that, obviously. and it gives people a place to express themselves who otherwise don't have as easy as a time with those that have a lot of money or corporate backing. and it's also just funny and fun. >> always a pleasure to see you. thanks, ellen. ellen page, everybody. [ applause ] the film is called "the east." you can see it now. that's our program. thanks for hanging out with us. we'll see you next week.
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good evening. a very busy night tonight and paula deen is dumped by the food network after making a video apology, though, what she was apologizing for remains unclear and tonight i interview alan chambers, the president of the longest running ex gay group exdus international. tonight he gives the first interview since going public with that apology, so we have a lot to get to. edward snowden is alleged to be hiding in hong kong. the complaint in the eastern district court of virginia charging him with the following,

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