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today. current president zuma and several other officials visited him in the hospital. president zuam saying, quote, doctors are doing everything possible to get the condition to improve and assuring he is well looked after and is comfortable. the south african civil rights activist has been hospitalized with a lung infection since june 8th. again, nelson mandela, in critical condition in a south africa hospital. it was days ago that one of his grandchildren said he was improving and now this turn of events according to the current south african president zuma that nelson mandela in critical condition. we'll keep you posted on his situation. and other breaking news we are following, a very busy day. edward snowden is heading now for ecuador, according to wikileaks. they helped snowden get to
moscow today. ecuador's foreign ministry said that he requested asylum today and there's reports he could make a stop in cuba on the way possibly to ecuador. the u.s. said today it is asking those countries not to let knowden in. and a source tells us that the u.s. revoked snowden's passport. president obama is being briefed on the situation at the white house. so this is becoming quite the diplomatic nightmare for the u.s. china and russia seemingly don't -- don't seem to comply to u.s. requests and are allowing him to move freely. jill dougherty is joining us right now. what's the latest on what you're hearing as to when or if snowden will be taking off from russia? >> reporter: the situation right now, fred, is that he is at the airport and he's apparently in moscow and he apparently is in a
hotel. when, in effect, is in legal limbo because he didn't have a visa to come in to russia and now we understand, of course, his passport, u.s. passport, was revoked. so there are many questions as to what exactly can happen now. would the russians allow him to go on to ecuador? would they follow and do what the united states wants them to do, which is to turn snowden around and send him back to the united states? that was a statement that was issued just about an hour ago by the state department saying that that is the way according to u.s. law that somebody with a felony arrest warrant should be returned, especially if they don't have a passport, as we were saying, return to the united states. but no indication from the russians exactly what they're going to do. fred, it is a complex situation and it would appear that already the chinese now have him, you could almost say out of their
hair because for the chinese, hong kong and china, of course, one country but two different systems a little bit. and they were not that eager to get involved in this. it would appear either. so now the ball is in russia's court and we have to' what will happen next. >> so u.s. relations with china and russia, no surprise, hasn't been great. i spoke with a former cia director james woolsie and he was mentioning that it's an affront to the u.s. and china and russia wouldn't hesitate for a minute to do something like this. so what does this mean for the u.s. going forward as it tries to work things out with china or russ russia? >> i think if you talk to the chinese and russians, they take it differently. they would, of course, say no offense intended but, obviously, in the political sense of how this is turning out it really does look bad and i think
politically here in the united states that's where it is really going to be bad for the relationships with both countries because you can already hear from chuck schumer talking about saying that essentially, you know, russia and china are sticking it to the united states and they should not be allowing snowden to move on. so i think it's going to be very bad for the relationship. and it also raises, you know, ultimate questions. with ecuador what happens with ecuador. relations with them. very complex. and a cascading series of results coming from this. >> jill dougherty in washington, thanks so much. keep us posted. right now, edward snowden in moscow after flying from hong kong. passengers who say they were on the flight describe what it was like for them.
>> translator: i do not even know who is edward snowden. i saw that there was a black car near the aircraft. a car with a regular registration number. in the cabin all was quiet. departure was not delayed. there was nothing unusual. >> translator: i saw two cars pulled up to the jet. everything was fine. the border guards boarded the plane. no one was detained. everything was fine. then, three buses with passengers left the airport. everything was fine. >> phil black joining us now live from moscow. phil, reports that snowden just might spend the night there. what more do you know about his whereabouts? is he still in the airport or did he find a back door? >> reporter: fredericka, we believe he is still there. no one knows for sure. he's not seen leaving the place and diplomats from the ecuador embassy here in moscow spent much of the day at the airport. their vehicles clearly visible
with the diplomatic number plates and so forth, even the ambassador's own car was there. we understand that he's been airside at the airport in the transit area dealing with snowden directly himself. so yes. we understand that he's spending the night in the transit area of moscow's airport. with the hope of catching a connecting flight out of moscow tomorrow. it's not likely to be a direct flight to ecuador because there aren't any. speculation and it is just speculation, we can't con did i remember it. probably taking a flight to cuba and then from there, one or more connecting flights to get him to ecuador. fredericka? >> thanks so much, phil black. appreciate that. washington likely pretty aggravated with moscow and hong kong for enabling snowden to escape from their clutches. dan lothian joining me now. what options does the u.s. have? >> reporter: well, the main option is that they hope that
law enforcement and whatever country snowden ends up in will immediately detain him and send him back here to the united states. they had hoped that would have been hong kong. there's hope that perhaps even russia will jump in on this. at this point, it's unclear. we know there are a lot of discussions taking place behind the scenes with u.s. officials and officials hong kong, as well. but, you know, officials here at the white house are relatively tight lipped. the president has been briefed throughout the day, updates from the national security team. there's a tricky diplomatic situation and talking about what's happening with russia and the role russia could pailly play in all of this. officials here not talking about how it could potentially damage further that relationship. but chuck schumer, senator chuck schumer, talked about it quite a
bit on "state of the union" this morning. take a listen. >> what's infuriating is prime minister putin of russia aiding and abetting snowden's escape. the bottom line is very simple. allies are supposed to treat each other in decent ways and putin always seems almost eager to put a finger in the united states, whether it's syria, iran and now, of course, with snowden. >> reporter: and of course, you know, officials were not really thinking that russia would be a major factor in all of this. they expressed confidence that hong kong would have gone along with the treaty of the u.s. and extradite snowden back. but now we have a cat and mouse game. >> in a big way. thank you, dan lothian, from the white house. many u.s. lawmakers publicly condemned snowden's actions. just yesterday house speaker nancy pelosi was boo'd referring to snowden as a criminal.
>> as far as snowden, he did -- went on to have a disagreement and violated the law in terms of releasing those documents. we don't know -- i understand. i understand. i understand. but it did violate the law. >> pelosi speaking at a net roots nation conference in california. she said earlier that more transparency in government intelligence programs would be welcome. all right. word that nsa leaker snowden is on the move is raising a whole lot of questions all day long. why was he able to leave hong kong? will the u.s. indeed be able to intervene? more questions like that, the legal ins and outs coming your way. and in massachusetts, a man is found dead near the home of a nfl player. latest on police searches as the home of nfl's aaron hernandez.
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susan candiotti is watching the investigation. >> reporter: if patriots tight end aaron hernandez had plans for a quiet saturday afternoon it didn't turn out that way. for the second time in a week, investigators this time almost twice as many as before descended on his home and several cars and spent four hours conducting a search. a lol lock smith was involved going in and out. so were at least two police dogs. investigators wearing gloves carried equipment and cases. no outdoor sightings of the famous homeowner but the lawyer arrived two hours in to the search. for a flash, the football player appeared at his front door looking outside. police have not calling hernandez a suspect in the murder of lloyd. shot to death monday. however, investigators are making the star football player a focus. lloyd's body found less than a
mile from the tight end's home and on saturday police continued to guard the scene. lloyd's family describes hernandez as a friend and says the two partied at nightclubs together. the girlfriends of both men are sisters. surveillance video reportedly shows the men together on the street where lloyd lives hours before lloyd's body was found. authorities on thursday searched this providence, rhode island, strip club in connection with the murder investigation. police tell cnn detectives seized surveillance videos taken inside club desire that covered more than two days. it's unclear whether they're trying to document whether the victim and hernandez may have been there or for another reason. and it is very quiet out here today at aaron hernandez's house but meantime back at the home where murder victim odon lloyd lives, his family tells me they
cannot imagine why someone would want to kill him and who that might be. they have no comment on whether they think aaron hernandez might have some answers and so everyone remains on the wait to find out where this investigation will go. >> susan candiotti, thanks so much. the food network fired paula deen after 11 years but many of the fans are upset over the decision. deen admitted and apologized for using the n-word and fans say she should be forgiven. listen. >> was it right? no. i mean, she could have used another term. but hey. it was a mistake that she made. >> she made a mistake and probably shouldn't have said that but she apologized and i think maybe we ought to take it for what it was. it sounds like it's sincere. >> a learning lesson for her and the people to dprif. i will forgive her. >> deen and her brother are sued for alleged sexual and racial
harassment for a former manager at the restaurant. so, nick, what more is being said and what about her many endorsements and sponsorships? >> that's the key to all of this as the fallout continues. i spoke earlier to qvc, the popular home shopping network and will reexamine the business relationship and there's so many coming out in support of paula deen saying that the media blown this out of proportion. that paula deen is from an era where this word was on condoned and used and apoll gists for her and despite the supporters, even those going after the food network, bashing them. there are others saying there's no excuse for her use of that word. take a listen to an interview we had on friday night on cnn's "anderson cooper." >> she's profiting off of southern culture today. so to say that she was born in a
time when that was okay, i don't buy that. i feel like the fried chicken has come home to roost and she has to make a real effort and get uncomfortable to make a historic connection to where she's living and how she's living. >> so many people in the united states, has become a larger context july issue about race in america and, fred, they say it's a very real issue. >> all right. thanks so much, nick valencia. there's more to this. paula deen made a whole lot of money selling an old-school southern way of life. one writer says she went overboard. more from him in our next hour of the "newsroom." there's a super moon. it happens when the moon is full and the same time at its closest point to the earth in the oesht. a super full moon is 14% larger and 30% brighter than most full
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over with. physically, i really don't think i'm prepared. >> one day away from opening statements in the high profile george zimmerman murder trial. he is charged with second-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old trayvon martin. you heard from the victim's dad. the state and prosecution will lay out the case to the jury tomorrow. our martin savage is in sanford, florida, where the trial will take place. what is the expectation tomorrow, the sequence of events? >> reporter: well, i mean, the expectation's huge, certainly, by those following the story and following it very, very closely. but here's what we expect to happen tomorrow morning. first thing 9:00 everyone goes in to the courtroom and even though the trial began with jury selection, it is the opening statements that in the minds of many people signals the start of the real trial here. the first thing, though, people listening for, any last-minute
motions, this is the final moment before it all really begins where the defense or the prosecution could raise an issue to the judge saying, wait a minute, judge. before we start, there's this. assuming there isn't anything like that, they go in to the opening statements and the state goes first making the presentation of why they believe it's george zimmerman to profile trayvon martin walking through the neighborhood and then confronted, shot and killed him. the defense will go next and we're told it's don west that makes the opening statement on the part of the defense. he's the co-counsel in this case in addition to mark o'mara. he's a really smart guy and cerebral and expect the opening statement, very thoughtful, very careful. no drama. no theatrics. fred? >> the attorney revealed anything to you prior to, you know, tomorrow about how they
may direct their case to the jury made up of six women? >> reporter: no. they haven't. i mean, you know, part of this is that, of course, they say they're pleased with the jury they have. sexual orientation, male, female, that doesn't matter to them because they say they have an impartial jury. that's critical. both sides ask that the jurors ask -- they used the exact same word. common sense here when weighing the evidence and making a decision. the judge did, of course, warn all the jurors that, listen, you must only weigh based upon what you hear inside this courtroom, not from any other source. fred? >> martin, thanks so much. we'll be watching. you will be there at the start of proceedings tomorrow there in sanford, florida. appreciate it. something else of huge interest really globally. the edward snowden case and already a rather tangled legal
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condition today. south africa president zuma says, quote, doctors are doing everything possible to get his condition to improve and assuring that he is well looked after and is comfortable, end quote. mandela has been hospitalized with a lung infection since june 8th. now to another piece of breaking news, sizable we're following, the man accused of leaking information about u.s. surveillance programs has been on the move. edward snowden jumped from continent to continent in a few weeks and today he made the way from hong kong to moscow. tom foreman joining us now. tom, this is anything but easy. it's a rather complicated but he's making it look simple like this. >> yeah. you're right. it is anything but simple. think about this. he's managed to make a latest run from hong kong up to moscow here. while he's these enormous
diplomatic powers of the united states reached out to try to capture him. wikileaks saying he's an american whistle-blower who revealed a global surveillance regime and really just looking for safe haven in a democratic nation. this is part of the pr campaign here, basically to say this is a hero the world should help protect him. while the u.s. government is saying he's not a hero. he is something that did very wrong and should be returned to face the music here. but beyond that, it's the simple physical equation here. the last report, the last place to be here is the airport in moscow. this is a big airport that serves the whole area down here. and we hear a lot of rumors about where he may be going. possibly going through cuba on to ecuador or directly to ecuador or venezuela. there are a lot of different equations. it looks like the cuba route but things looked differently for a number of days now.
we do know this, though. if you look at the entire world out there, just about everybody in the western hemisphere has an extradition deal with the united states. there is an interesting framework under which he could be returned to the united states to face the charges against him. that includes by the way ecuador right down in here or venezuela down here. that's not so much true moving to other areas. europe has a deal with us. india, australia, other places down here. but most of africa does not have such a deal or russia or china. but here's the tricky part of all of that. even in the places where there's no deal, there are provisions where a country like ecuador could refuse to fulfill the extradition treaty if they want to and they feel they have grounds to. the flip side is true, also. even in nations without a deal with the united states for
extradition, they could hand him over if they wanted to and decided it is in their interest politically or think that in terms of how they look to the world, this is the right move, he could be handed over and why, fred, even though it looks simple to travel around right now, arguably, every hour of his day is filled with peril that he may be scooped up by the authorities and brought back here to face the music and a fair chance that will be true for the rest of his life. fredericka? >> it would be the case for the rest of his life but for now, looks like an incredible cadre of protections around him. the wikileaks provided escort by way of their legal counsel so that he's been able to go from point "a" to point "b" and still unclear what could happen next. all right. appreciate it. thanks so much. cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes is joining us now. tom, this is pretty extraordinary. the u.s. tried a few things. it didn't work in terms of
trying to get the cooperation of hong kong. but at this juncture, how concerned or worried are national security personnel about what kind of information he may provide to, say, russia while he is there waiting his next step? >> hi, fred. i'm not sure that they're too worried about how many secrets he has with him or in his possession. obviously, he can tell them a lot of information about how extensive the u.s. surveillance of other countries has become, including russia, but i think right now it's a political football or he's a political football for all of the countries that we're talking about. now, not so sure that a back channel deal wasn't struck with china and hong kong to say, look, you know, they're not going to grant him asylum and at the same time not going to deport him back to the u.s. so they'll just let him move on and let china off the hook for not having to decide whether or not to grant him asylum and make him
a perm feint resident of china. that may be going on what he's doing in russia, communicating with other countries. you know, we just don't know all the background. what we do know is that with assistance of wikileaks and apparently he is gathered sponsorship from fairly wealthy people and looks like he has resources at his disposal to try to use them legally to get him in to another country which he would believe will not turn him back over to the u.s. >> hmm. wikileaks founder julian assange is facing his own troubles and has protection in the ecuadorian embassy in london. he has a press conference tomorrow out of london. perhaps off the balcony. we look forward to hearing from him. but since we're hearing reportedly wikileaks provided some counsel, they have helped to afford edward snowden this kind of access to travel,
ultimately, might wikileaks founder julian assange face potential u.s. charges of assisting, you know, in harboring a fugitive? >> i think he hasn't been charged. i'm sorry. in the earlier investigations of the wikileaks case, he's not been charged and i think enough removed to not show that he's directly involved in it and it was done through subordinates. i think he would have the same issue here, hard time proving that while he's in the custody of the ecuadorian embassy in london he's able to orchestrate this personally so even though other people of wikileaks are assisting snowden, it's difficult to say that assange personally did it. unless he makes that admission tomorrow in his press conference. we don't know what for sure what he's going to say. >> if you were working this case and still with the cia, to what
degree would you be trying to negotiate or talk with, say, ecuador if russia is off limits? >> actually, fred, i was in the fbi. >> sorry. fbi. >> dealt with more international extradition cases of trying to get many individuals back to the united states for many years, as a matter of fact. in this situation, this becomes for the u.s. in the hands of the state department. even though the department of justice filed the charges, the request of assistance of other countries comes from the u.s. state department to the foreign ministries and so this rises to the level of a national policy issue that's beyond the individual law enforcement agencies. obviously, the charges have been brought. the warrants have been filed but this is a matter for the state department. the other issue with this is since his passport has been revoked, if he attempts to be in another country, they have to grant him asylum or deport him.
he's not traveling on u.s. valid documents anymore. they could have -- i'm not sure that -- well, we'll see if they think that's in their best interest. it's possible but, you know, there's a lot of things going on behind the scenes diplomatically and politically we won't see right away. >> tom fuentes formerly of the fbi, appreciate it. insight of an intelligence point of view, as well. we'll be talking to that -- a representative or former representative from that other agency, the cia. we'll be exploring what kind of impact there is on intelligence for the u.s. plus, an incredible scene in canada where a town of 10,000 is mostly empty now. almost all have evacuated as floodwaters like these had their
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in canada, massive flooding forced thousands to evacuate calgary and surrounding areas. three flood victims were found in a river south of the city. paul vercamin has been watching the floodwaters. >> reporter: the mayor of calgary saying with the sun out we have turned a corner. you can see behind me that the floodwaters are receding. the water was up to the windows. now sunny, clearer, off in the distance the bow river. this is what caused the evacuation of some 75,000 people in calgary including most if not all of the entire downtown.
the power is still out here. and off on the horizon, the calgary stampede. the huge rodeo here beloved in the town. the mayor says that the show here will go on. >> some people will return to work on monday. downtown will look more normal in the middle of the week and 13 days from now i will wear cowboy boots and a cowboy hat to lead off the greatest outdoor show on earth. >> reporter: the next concern were the bow river turning in to south saskatchewan river in medicine hat. 10,000 of the 61,000 people in the town have been evacuated. that river expected to crest between 6:00 a.m. and noon on monday. now back to you. >> thank you so much, paul there. edward snowden is quite the dip plo mattic headache for the united states but it's the impact on the intelligence gathering that could have the most long-lasting influence.
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and now possibly heading toward ecuador. south african government confirms that snowden requested asylum there. this all happening after snowden fled hong kong this morning. outraging u.s. officials who were trying to have him extradited. a source said the u.s. revoked snowden passport. what are the chances the u.s. will be able to bring him to justice? bob baer joining me now from irvine, california. bob, we know that among the charges, theft of classified government documents as well as espionage. but clearly, that did not stop hong kong from allowing him to leave to go to moscow and now not likely the u.s. will have cooperation with russia. right? >> we're going to get -- it's very clear at this point that the chinese were cooperative in moving him out of hong kong. they didn't intend to honor the extradition request and i
understand it was sent to peking rather than hong kong and the chinese government has control of this man. not hong kong. it was the chinese government who decided to send him to moscow. it was the russian president who agreed to take him, let him land there. so this is a high power stakes. you have to keep in mind the damage he has done to national intelligence. >> to what extent do you see that damage? i think people don't understand that or have a hard time understanding why so aggressively pursue him? what kind of damage are we talking about? >> he tapped in to message traffic at the national security agency which shows in totality, the intercept ability, the chinese military communications, any number of systems in china and the rest of the world that went across his desk or the fear of that. now the chinese and maybe the
russians will know what we're listening in to and be able to correct their weaknesses. this is a catastrophe. there's no other description. >> do you worry that because reportedly he had told "the guardian" he has other information that he wanted to reveal. he has not yet. but is it your concern or worry that he would reveal that to russian authorities while he is spending time there? >> oh, absolutely. my understanding is he took a thumb drive, stuck it in to his computer and downloaded and downloaded. who knows what he has on there? you can count on it that this is major, major damage and to pay his way in moscow as he did in china, he handed this stuff over. there's no other explanation and i think that's come out in congress today. they're talking about it. >> he was a former contractor doing contract work for the cia and in your view now, do you
believe that there have been some modifications within the cia in terms of access that contractors would have just in the short amount of time that this short time -- time span, since his information was revealed in "the guardian" newspaper and "the washington post" to today? do you think there's changes put in place at the cia to limit access that contractors would have? >> oh, i think absolutely they're looking at it. but keep in mind it's 70% of the intelligence budget. about that goes to contractors. you know, getting contractors out of the government, out of the intelligence business will take years and years. they're just everywhere. they're writing their own contracts and takes a very, very long time. >> bob baer of the cia, thank you so much from irvine, california. all right. a lot of folks are mourning the loss of the big hollywood star to a lot of his fans james began doll if iny and tony soprano
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professor of television and popular culture joining me now from syracuse because james gandolfini really was more than that character but he did symbolize a lot. professor, good to see you. >> yeah, i mean -- >> go ahead. >> i mean, it's true. he'd become -- i mean, the mob story had taken the place of the western as the great american epic. if not in the 1930s, at least by the 1970s. and when "the sopranos" came out, it takes that american epic and updates it in ways that were especially for television really exquisite. >> isn't it extraordinary? what is it about that character? tony soprano was despicable. i mean, he was -- you were engaged with the show. it was an incredible story. being told all the time. but i mean, looking at the video right now, he was not a lovable,
likable guy. not a guy you wanted to be but something about him. viewers were enamored by the character and the show. is it kind of -- is it the new, you know, "godfather" of today or something very different from the following? >> yeah, well, this whole anti-e who idea i think you are describing very aptly is really nothing new. what had happened is when hollywood started with the code and then radio and then television for a good part of the 20th century there were these rules that when bad people were portrayed they had to, in fact, get the come uppance. nasty guys that do bad things, shakespeare. what about macbeth and richard iii? the bible is full with heroes
including king david. we had this like almost century where all the bad guys were punished and all the good guys were good and i think tony soprano reminded us how compelling really bad guys can be. >> wow. fascinating stuff. well, many mourn the loss of james gandolt fini. the body will be back in the states tomorrow evening and then funeral proceedings later on in the week. thanks so much for joining us. appreciate it from syracuse. >> thank you. all right. we'll get you up to speed on the dramatic movements involving edward snowden coming up next. a live report from moscow at the top of the hour. when we made our commitment to the gulf, bp had two big goals:
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