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predicting it will sell, get this, for between $300,000 and $500,000. wow. got some old computers in my basement. let's see what they're worth. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern with the situation room. brooke baldwin picks up our coverage right now. wolf blitzer, thank you so much. good to see all of you on this monday. i'm brooke baldwin. it is turning out to be the best kept secret for the man known for spilling secrets. his location. edward snowden charged with espionage is the target of this worldwide man hunt that is crossing hemispheres and tangling diplomatic ties. as the u.s. authorities search for snowden, snowden is searching for asylum. first he fled to hong kong from hawaii. remember, that was back
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reportedly on may 20th. then yesterday he took this flight to moscow according to russian officials. and he was able to leave hong kong, apparently, by using refugee papers issued by ecuador. which may actually turn out to be his final destination. you with me so far? so the big question here is, where is he now? we don't know. snowden apparently missed a flight to cuba. but a minister from ecuador confirms snowden has applied for asylum there. big question is, why ecuador? one possible reason is this. this is the country giving asylum to this man, another famous, famous leaker, wikileaks founder julian assange. assange confirmed wikileaks has given financial help to snowden. this is all via this conference call this morning. assange explained why snowden has good reason to seek political asylum. here he was. >> every person has the right to seek and receive political
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asylum. those rights are enshrined in the united nations agreements. of which the united states is a party. and no self-respecting country would submit to such interference. >> but secretary of state john kerry says snowden's leaks regarding nsa surveillance of personal information has now endangered americans. >> what i see is an individual who threatened this country and put americans at risk through the acts that he took. people may die as a consequence of what this man did. it is possible the united states will be attacked because terrorists may now know how to protect themselves in some way or another that they didn't know before. this is a very dangerous act. >> i want to bring in jennifer robinson, legal adviser to wi
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wikilea wikileaks. she joins me live from london. thank you for coming on. i have to ask, first couple of questions, where is edward snowden right now? >> as julian assange confirmed this afternoon on the conference call, he's in direct contact with wikileaks. at this stage they're not tis closing where he is. he's in good health. he's in high spirits, we understand. they are not disclosing his whereabouts. >> can you tell me where he would like to go? priority number one? >> i understand, my instructions are, and has been widely reported, that he has now sought asylum from ecuador and has made an application exercising his legal right under international law to seek asylum. ha is now a matter for the ecuadoran government. >> as we mentioned, jennifer, he is facing espionage charges in the u.s. he is the most wanted man right now for his leaks. we just heard secretary of state john kerry basically saying that people could die because of what he has done. so given all of that, in terms of this communication between wikileaks and snowden, can you tell me just what is his
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demeanor like? how is he doing? >> i'm not in direct contact with mr. snowden myself. but i understand that wikileaks, they have said today that he has no regret about what he tid and he feels the disclosures that he made were in the public interest. of course, it's important to focus on those disclosures. mass surveillance by the nsa in breach of institution law and constitutional law, mass breach of privacy for all americans. i think senator kerry -- secretary of state kerry's response is very indicative and is reminding of the wikileaks disclosures. of course, there were widespread comments about potential risk. but those risks did not materialize. i think it's important to focus on the public interest of mr. snowden's disclosures. and, of course, emphasize his right to seek asylum under international law. >> can i just ask this? is he nervous at all? according to people you talk to who are in communication with him? >> all i understand is what wikileaks has disclosed today. which is that he's in good spirits and has made the asylum
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application. >> tell me this, jennifer. how did this communication between wikileaks and snowden begin? who contacted whom? >> again, my instructions from wikileaks are that they were contacted and have decided that it is their mandate as wikileaks to facilitate whistle blowers' communication with the public where possible. and to provide their resources to the extent that they have them to protect whistle blowers. on that basis wikileaks decided to provide assistance to mr. snowden in facilitating his travel from hong kong to moscow. >> okay. in listening and reading about this conference call this morning where julian assange was saying -- let me quote julian assange. obviously on the defense for snowden. quote, every person has the right to seek and receive political asylum. those rights are enshrined by the united nations agreement of which the united states is a party. he went on,s the counterproductive and unacceptable for the obama administration to try and interfere with those rights. you can flip the question, jennifer, and critics of that line of thinking would want to
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know, is it not counterproductive for wikileaks to be interfering with the u.s. government seeking a fugitive facing criminal charges here? what would wikileaks' response be? >> wikileaks hasn't interfered. edward snowden as was reported by the hong kong government left legally and voluntarily from hong kong and has traveled to moscow. there is no international warrant that has been validated in those jurisdictions that we're aware of as yet. so he was free to travel internationally. it is his right to take political asylum under international law. >> even though the u.s. is seeking to find him based upon espionage charges and julian assange is in touch with him? >> he's right. asylum takes precedent over every other matter. the u.s. recognizes whistle blower journalism as a basis for persecution for political opinion. this is a recognized basis for which he can claim asylum. that takes precedence. >> final question. i know wikileaks is picking up the cost for snowden at the moment. as he might be in transit.
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but let's say if, if he winds up in ecuador, how long does wikileaks intend to help snowden financially? >> i am not aware of those arrangements at present. all we know is what julian assange has said today in the press arrangement which is they assisted him to travel to moscow and they have facilitated communication with the ecuadoran government. it's now a matter for the ecuadoran government as to whether to accept that application and what happens from here on in will be a matter for them. >> jennifer robinson, live in lond london. thank you so much. we'll get into the legal in a moment. as we mentioned this batch of countries from russia, here, to venezuela, to cuba and others may end up having or helped snowden. the u.s. is upset with china in particular since officials there let snowden leave despite american efforts to revoke his passport. i want to turn now to our chief white house correspondent, jessica yellin. jessica, one senator says these countries have, quote, put a finger in the eye of the united
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states. a finger in the eye. how is the obama administration reacting? >> reporter: well, publicly, brooke, for now, with strong words. and that's all. behind the scenes there's also diplomatic efforts and some international legal efforts. but beyond that, there's not much the white house is going to do in the public eye. jay carney here from the podium said that china was behind the decision to let edward snowden leave hong kong. and he called that a serious setback in our relationship, the u.s.'s relationship with china. then he went on to say that russia is where the white house believes snowden currently remains. and that he and the white house believe that russia has an obligation to return snowden to the u.s. now because they have a history of returning, quote, criminals. that's their word. criminals to the u.s. i asked if president obama has gotten on the phone to call russian president putin to ask him to return edward snowden.
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here's what carney had to say, brooke. >> the president made a call to president putin, and if he has not, why not? >> again, i don't have presidential communications to read out to you except to say there is no reason why, given international law, given the relationships that we have with the countries in question, that this would require a communication from the president. again, i'm not reading out presidential communications. there are communications at all the appropriate levels. and we note as i just did that we have a strong cooperative relationship with the russians on law enforcement matters. and we expect the russians to examine the options available to them to expel mr. snowden for his return to the united states. >> brooke, there is a long history of russia returning violent criminals to the u.s. but if they view snowden as a criminal of conscience or a man who committed a political crime,
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then they would view him as a dissident. there is zero history, no history, of russia returning dissidents to the u.s., brooke. >> jessica yellin for us at the white house. thank you much. let's talk ecuador here. ecuador yet to make a decision whether it will give edward snowden the refuge he is clearly seeking. one lawyer for wikileaks pointed out that there are other options for the fugitive. >> the other country in south america who've been willing to take an independent stand from the united states, venezuela, ecuador, bolivia, argentina, cuba. that doesn't mean anything about what he's done. >> however, the signs are good ecuador will step up. if you listen to the ecuadoran foreign minister. let's go to cnn's paula newton, who's live if the capital of ecuador. paula, what is the foreign minister there saying about this? >> reporter: well, he's actually
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in vietnam on a foreign trip. he said, look, we're going to make our decisions not based on the relationship with the united states but based on moral principles. he confirmed they did have the request from edward snowden to get asylum here. based on what, brooke? based on freedom of expression. the fact he felt he would be persecuted for what he has done in the last few weeks and that he would not get a fair trial in the united states. that's what edward snowden is requesting of the ecuadorans. the ecuadorans are saying we're considering his request right now. ecuadorans being cagey about this, not saying they know where he is, not saying they know exactly the kind of timeline it will take for them to consider this. they say only they are in contact with their russian counterparts. they know where mr. snowden is. they also didn't tell us where he is. and that they will in their own good time consider this kind of request. brooke, you have to say, a very provocative move here. one that leaves many people here puzzled. not just people around the world, but people here very puzzled as to why this is going on. >> paula newton, thank you.
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the big question, why ecuador? let's talk about that with paul callen here. cnn legal analyst. doing some reading on ecuador today, you have a leftist president. rafael correa. perhaps wishing to deflect criticism on his own repression of free speech. my question to you, what's in it for snowden? obviously there's the assange connection. is it that or do you think it's more political than that? >> you know, his options, snowden's options are getting increasingly limited. he's looking at venezuela, cuba, ecuador. countries that have foreign policies hostile to the united states. i suppose he figures if he goes to cuba he's going to wind up driving a 1952 ford for the rest of his life. whereas maybe he gets to live a little better standard of living in ecuador. i will tell you that ecuador has had a treaty with the united states. an extradition treaty since the 1800s. but it like most countries has an exception.
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>> loophole. >> it's called the political offense exception. >> tell me about it. >> yeah. well, that exception basically says that espionage, sedition and treason are defined as political crimes. now, he's been charged under the espionage act. a classic political crime. i would add that even the united states views espionage as a type of political crime. we've granted asylum to russian spies and to refugees in the past. so it puts us in sort of a difficult position here since we chose to indict him under an espionage theory. they might have been smarter if they'd come up with a nonespionage approach to the case. they're going to have a tough time in court, i think, fighting ecuador, if ecuador decides to grant asylum. >> let me also, though, ask you about criticism on the timeline. there are legal experts out there criticizing the obama administration, you know, asking questions, why didn't the state department revoke his passport after charges were filed? why, you know, unseal charges
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friday instead of waiting till he was in custody. let me play this. this is from secretary of state john kerry who sat down with cnn responding to some of that. here he was. >> the moment the indictment was unsealed, and we knew of it, at that point his passport was pulled within two hours. so his passport was pulled immediately that there was an unsealed -- not indictment, as a matter of fact. it was a complaint. so we don't know what authorities allowed him to leave under those circumstances. we obviously have to find out from the chinese what happened. we hope that the russians will recognize the request of the united states. particularly given that over the last two years, we have sent seven prisoners back that they requested from the united states. >> paul callan, your thoughts? >> the criticism they waited too long to revoke his passport, it sounded good on the surface. in truth it probably wouldn't have made any difference anyway.
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once china decided to let him go and russia said, okay, you can land here in moscow, it wouldn't matter if he had a u.s. passport. those are separate countries. they can let a political refugee land even if he doesn't have a pa passport if they view the person in this way. he doesn't have a passport now. he's traveling elsewhere. some other country may allow him to enter. it may not be ecuador. this could be a total fake by wikileaks. notice how careful robinson is being, attorney for wicky leaks. >> very careful. >> we're not telling him to go any place. we're not giving him money. we're just hping him communicate. they're very careful because they don't want to be indicted for obstruction of justice or some other criminal offense. this is a story we don't know the final chapter yet. >> paul callan, thank you. >> nice being with you, brooke. and wall street. wall street having a rough go of it today. look at that. in the red down 72 points here. the dow plunging by triple digits, actually, within minutes of the opening bell today.
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worries about the fed easing up on stimulus and a plunge in, speaking of china, chinese stocks causing u.s. stocks to tumble to their lowest levels in two months. straight to cnn's global economic analyst and "time" assistant managing editor ran na foroohar. some of the worry over the fed tapering off its bond buying program, again, somewhere down the road, do we know when the -- that part of the road happens? >> well, that part of the road could happen as early as the end of this year. what's really interesting is the markets have been reacting as though all this is already happening. which is fascinating. all bernanke has said is at some point we will stop this $85 billion a month asset buying program. he hasn't talked about raising interest rates. although you are starting to see worries about that in the market. i think that there has been this sort of flight from risk. and, indeed, the fed itself has
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worried about the fact that its asset buying program has created bubbles in the markets in different sectors, in certain kinds of corporations that have riskier junk bonds, in emerging markets, in commodities. you're seeing a flight from some of that risk now. that's what's happening. >> what about also china? i know you have written so much about china in a series on "time." explain to us the concerns with china. what's behind the plunge there? connect the dots. how does it affect me and you? >> it's a great question. so there are two stories out there about china right now. only one of them is correct. the two stories are that china is having a lehman brothers moment, that it's having a banking meltdown because banks havetopped lending, the credit crunch there right now, that is not the case. china is, however, slowing. growth is slowing. growth is no longer in the double digits. it's probably not even 8% which is what it's been the last few years. that sounds relatively high to us. but in china, that's a lot slower than it's been in the last few years. so wherever growth is, it's
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going to be slower than it was in the past. now, the big question is, what does that mean for the rest of the world? >> right. >> what does that mean for us? there are going to be some headwinds, of course, because the u.s. does a lot of trade with china. i don't think that we're going to see china falling off a cliff. the important thing to remember is that the state, the communist party, actually owns the entire banking sector. so you're not going to see a meltdown of the kind that you did in this country. it's wrus not like that. i think we will see some slowing. but the u.s. is still on track for recovery this year. the big question is how that plays out. >> rana foroohar, i know the conversation on all this will continue. look forward to having you back on. thank you so much. coming up later this hour, michael jackson's daughter paris recovering in a los angeles hospital after an apparent suicide attempt earlier this month. but a video-taped deposition she gave is expected to be shown in court today. we'll take you live to los angeles later this hour. first, strange statements today from the defense in the
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opening of the george zimmerman trial. his lawyer even told a knock-knock joke. we'll take you to sanford, florida, next. i dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust.
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more than a year after florida teenager trayvon martin was shot and killed, opening statements are finally under way in the trial of the shooter, george zimmerman. the prosecution is trying to convince this jury of six women that zimmerman is guilty of second degree murder. that he pursued martin. that he engaged him in a fight and ultimately shot and killed him. the defense is arguing, meantime, that zimmerman was forced to act in self-defense to save his own life. >> i think the evidence will show that this is a sad case. that there are no monsters here. sometimes, you have to laugh to keep from crying. so let me -- at considerable risk, let me say. i'd like to tell you a little
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joke. i know how that may sound a bit weird in this context, under these circumstances. but i think you're the perfect audience for it. as long as you don't -- if you don't like it or you don't think it's funny or inappropriate, that you don't hold it against mr. zimmerman. you can hold it against me if you want, but not mr. zimmerman. i have your assurance you won't. here's how it goes. knock, knock. who's there? george zimmerman. george zimmerman, who? all right. good. you're on the jury. nothing? that's funny. after what you folks have been through the last two or three weeks? >> and that is where i want to begin with martin savidge. outside this courthouse in sanford, florida, opening statements, martin, a
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knock-knock joke? do we know what that was supposed to be? was it supposed to be funny? >> reporter: you know, a lot of us have been wondering what was it supposed to be? it was clearly a defense dud. there was not a snicker. no one laughed. you looked at the jury and no one on that jury thought it was funny. was it an attempt by don west to kind of lighten the mood because you had this very strong aggressive presentation by the prosecution? i don't know. there had been an objection by the prosecution just before all of that. and it seemed to rattle don west. maybe it threw him off his game. maybe getting back into it was that joke. but just by measuring reaction from people who heard it, it was awful. and a really awkward way to begin what is still the ongoing opening statement by the defense team. it is now well over two hours. they had to break to have lunch in between. and don west is still going on. whereas, before that, you had
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the prosecution. they had a very sharp, 30-minute presentation that was made. it was done by john guy. this is a very good looking guy that we really hadn't seen much of. he'd been in the background. we thought it was going to be bernie that was going to make it. no. this new man steps up and by many in the courtroom, he nailed it as far as the job that the prosecution had to do. lay out the case against george zimmerman saying this is what you'll hear, this is what we'll prove, this is why you must rule in this particular way. he ends with a strong line. he began with profanity. ends with a strong closing statement where he says george zimmerman did not shoot trayvon martin because he had to. he shot him because he wanted to. boom and done. this for the defense still going on, brooke. >> as it's still going on, we know, martin, that before the opening statements this morning, we saw this judge ask the zimmerman family and the martin family attorney ben crump to leave the courtroom. why? >> reporter: right. well, you know, of course, both
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families are there. martin's family is there because they are wanting to see justice carried out in relation to the death of their son. george zimmerman's mother and father are there and other family members. the judge basically said, okay, under the rules of sequestration now, anybody who's a witness in this potential trial can't sit and listen to the state as they put out the evidence against him. they have to be out of this courtroom. well, it's anticipated that george zimmerman's parents will be called as witnesses. it's really the judge's discretion. she said nope, you know what? zimmermans, i'm sorry. you're now ordered out of the courtroom. that's when mark o'mara for the defense jumped up and said, well, what about the attorney, ben crump, who represents trayvon martin's family? he argued and eventually ten minutes later then crump was ordered out of the courtroom. so george zimmerman's parents are not there to hear any of what is transpiring. trayvon martin's family, because they are family of the victim, remain. >> okay. martin savidge, thank you so much. for much more on the zimmerman murder trial, watch self-defense
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of murder. the george zimmerman trial tonight, 10:00 eastern here on cnn. we have breaking news here. continuing to follow this where is edward snowden story and what is next for him. we now have official public comment from the president of the united states. we're going to turn that around for you and play that with our chief white house correspondent jessica yellin on the other side of the break. uffer's starts with freshly-made pasta, and 100% real cheddar cheese. but what makes stouffer's mac n' cheese best of all. that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. made with care for you or your family. what are you guys doing? having some fiber! with new phillips' fiber good gummies. they're fruity delicious! just two gummies have 4 grams of fiber! to help support regularity! i want some... [ woman ] hop on over! [ marge ] fiber the fun way, from phillips'.
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breaking news. we have learned the president of the united states has made this official public comment about the nsa leaker, edward snowden. let's go back to the white house, back to our chief white house correspondent, jessica yellin. we were just talking about this. tell me what the president said. >> reporter: hi, brooke. president obama in a meeting now with business leaders on immigration reform was asked by a journalist whether he has talked to russia's president putin and asked him specifically to return edward snowden to the u.s. the white house, as we've reported, believes that snowden is in russia. here's what president obama said when asked if he's spoken to russia's president putin.
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>> you know, what we know is that we're following all the appropriate legal channels. and working with various other countries to make sure that rule of law is observed. beyond that, i'll refer to the justice department that has been actively involved in the case. all right? >> reporter: you can see he quite carefully avoided answering that specific question, brooke. a couple of reasons i can tell you, bottom line, the president of the united states would not want to put his own prestige and that of the united states on the line by calling world leaders and asking for the return of a fugitive or whatever you want to call edward snowden in this case if they think he might not be returned. it could be a blemish not just for the president but the u.s.'s fwloebal leadership, brooke. >> jessica yellin, thank you very much. we also talked at the top of the show with talking the sort of
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legal ramifications here. so next hour at the top of the hour we're going to bring in a former cia operative. one of the questions on so many people's minds is, you know, how can the u.s. find him again? he is faced with espionage charges. that is at least, thus far. we're going to look at possibilities of finding him and grabbing him into custody. that's at the top of the next hour. meantime, coming up, michael jackson's daughter paris. she is recovering still in this hospital in l.a. after an apparent suicide attempt earlier this month. but a videotaped deposition she gave is expected to be shown in court later today. we have a preview of that, next. it's monday. a brand new start. your chance to rise and shine. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner, you can do just that. with our visionary cloud infrastructure, global broadband network and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable - secure - agile.
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michael jackson died exactly four years ago tomorrow. can you believe that? it's been four years now. so this wrongful death trial is under way. it's revealing these new details about those horrifying moments when his children first learned their father was dead.
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allen duke is covering this for us today because, allen, you have this preview of what paris jackson, jackson's 15-year-old daughter, gave as part of this deposition to be played today at the private schotrial. what did she say? >> we saw this clip of her last week played by the aeg lawyers and released. on the eve of the fourth anniversary of michael jackson's death we expect later this afternoon when court starts to be allowed to have a clip of paris's deposition, a question the jackson lawyers asked. we are going to -- we'll find out then, actually. i can't tell you yet what she's going to say. i do know she'll be talking about her relationship with her father and she will be talking about how devastating it was that day four years ago when she was at a hospital following an ambulance to ucla medical center where her father died. and incidentally, of course, she is still hospitalized being treated under psychiatric care for that suicide attempt.
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very serious situation with paris jackson. >> how is she doing? >> you know, i don't stalk her. i'm not going to tell you intimate details of her treatment. >> thank goodness. >> unlike some, i'm not going to do that. i will tell you what i do know is that they searched high and low and interviewed people and found the team to treat her and they're doing that now. they're not ignoring the situation. they are taking it very seriously and she is still hospitalized nearly a month after she was taken by an ambulance from her home. >> allen duke, thank you very much. appreciate it for us in los angeles. coming up, former italian prime minister silvio berlusconi sentenced to seven years in prison for an underage sex scandal that absolutely rocked italy. we will tell you how someone named ruby the park stealer, remember her? played a role in this trial. live to milan next.
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the supreme court said today, yes, an applicant's race can be considered for entry into college. but only, only, only, only if nothing else works to maintain campus diversity. this case starts with a young woman by the name of abigail fisher here. she was tenied admission by the university of texas. abigail fisher turned around and sued, claiming nonwhites were admitted with lower grades than hers. today the high court refused to decide that case directly but said a lower court was wrong in ruling against abigail fisher. so this case now goes back to that lower court with a note from the supreme saying this go round, texas has to prove that using a racial standard is the only way of ensuring diversity. got it? we're going to talk about that a little later. glamorous sex parties. erotic dancers. and sex with this woman. a 17-year-old moroccan born
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prostitute known as ruby the heart stealer. behind closed doors this was the life for former prime minister sill vio berlusconi. his sordid past is catching up with him. he's just been sentenced to seven years in prison, found guilty of sex with a minor, banned from ever entering politics again. live with me from milan senior international correspondent, ben wedeman. before we walk through the charges here and whether or not he'll actually see the inside of a prison, remind me. remind our viewers about these bunga bunga parties. >> reporter: thuz bunga bunga parties refers to the room in his mansion where after dinner entertainment took place. this included some fairly not for family viewing activities where there was sort of suggestive, erotic, burlesque dancing by paid, shall we say, exotic dancers. now, silvio berlusconi has
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denied all the time that any sex took place at these parties. but certainly the stories one hears, the claims that have been made, are quite colorful, to say the least. for instance, one of these women apparently dressed up as barack obama and engaged in fondling with one of the other women there. it's pretty spicy stuff by any standard. as i said, he denies it all. another instance was where ruby the heart stealer was arrested for petty theft by the milan police. and silvio berlusconi called the police station and explained she was the granddaughter of the new deposed egyptian president hosni mubarak and that they should release her to avoid a diplomatic incident. of course, brooke, she has no relation with the egyptian president. that's one of the major charges, actually, is that he abused his position, his power as prime
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minister, to intercede to win her release from police custody. and this, of course, is just the tip of the iceberg. some of the stories you hear in italy about silvio berlusconi. >> i was just thinking, involve in. one of them is a serious tax evasion charge relating to his media empire. at the end of this year his appeal process will run out.
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even though there's a special dispensation for convicted criminals over the age of 70 whereby their sentence is automatly redu llically reduced no guarantee he's going to escape that time. i would not bet my bottom dollar or euro that he will never spend a night behind bars. >> okay. ben wedeman for us in milan. i appreciate that. coming up next, new york gangster jimmy "the gent" burke. remember robert denero in "good fellas"? he played the character based on this real life guy. police were searching burke's former home in queens last week. we've been reporting on this. big news here. we'll tell you what they have now found, next.
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police investigators, they are back on the job today near the home of nfl player aaron hernandez. this time around, they're searching a roadside stream there. they have already searched his home not just once, but twice in recent days along with his car, some nearby woods and a strip club. this whole thing, this is part of the investigation into last week's death of a man named odin lloyd. whose body was found in this industrial park near hernandez's neighborhood. lloyd's family says the two men were friends. hernandez hasn't commented on the case. it is a new york mobster mystery with a new huge lead. test results on materials found
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at the former new york home of late gangster jimmy "the gent" burke have come back positive for human remains. you may not recognize his name. again, we just have to remind you, he was the real life inspiration for robert de niro's unforgettable character in "good fellas." jason carroll, he's been all over this story. jason carroll, this is a huge development. now that investigators know the material is, in fact, human remains, what's the next step? >> yeah, brooke. it's the story that just keeps on giving. right now the medical examiner's office is conducting what they call an an tlo po logical investigation on the human remains. doctors will try to extract dna to help them identify who was buried beneath the home. and when. and, brooke, you remember fbi agents -- when was this, last week. that's when they began searching burke's former home in queens. it was last monday. it's now owned by his daughter. a law enforcement source says investigators are looking into a case that occurred sometime before 1996. though it is widely speculated
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that burke was involved in that infamous lufthansa heist back in 1 1978. in the movie "good fellas" burke kills many of those who helped him out in the heist. the reality is many of those missing crime associates are still unsolved even to this day. investigators say it should also be noted burke was also involved in a number of other illegal activities. that search that you see there that took place at burke's former home may end up having nothing to do with the lufthansa heist. it certainly would be interesting if it did. in any case, investigators would not say what led them back to the home after all these years. one source telling me the search was successful. that's how he characterized it. now we'll see if they're able to make some sort of positive id from these remains. and see if another chapter in this mystery unveils itself. >> we know you'll be following it. jason carroll, we will be asking
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and sticking by that closely. thank you so much. and now, coming up, it is being billed as the sweetest comeback in history ever. we're going to talk twinkies. we're also going to talk about this furry little guy. my goodness, the red panda. missing in washington. that's coming up.
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all right. i can now tell you within the past hour a rescue unit from the washington national zoo rescued a missing red panda. this little adorable fella here. this is rusty who was gone from his quarters this morning. zoo officials were petrified, they were worried, rusty might be dead. now they have him. and we have brian todd in washington who apparently has been all over this, brian. this is good news for the zoo. what happened? >> reporter: well, brooke, they noticed rusty missing at about 7:30 a.m. eastern time this morning. the last time they had actually seen him in this exhibit area was about 6:00 p.m. eastern time last night when they fed him and his partner, shama, the female who was in here. at 7:30 this morning they did notice rusty missing. they had a horticulture team out here checking to see if he could have escaped via some of the trees that are here. he's a big time climber. these are arboreal ananimals. they climb in trees, sleep in trees. we just got word he has been
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found. he has been crated and is on his way back to the zoo. that does not mean he's going to go right back into the exhibit. a zoo official just told me a short time ago they're fwoigoin take him to the zoo hospital over a little this way on the edge of the zoo ground. they're going to put him in there. not clear how long they're going to keep him in there. probably for observation, make sure he didn't injure himself. very interesting, the lay out of this whole place. he would have had to have crossed to get over to the place they captured him, he would had to have crossed a fairly major thoroughfare, the rock creek parkway, to get to the area where they captured him. he had to have made his way out there somehow, brooke. >> that is a busy spot. brian todd, thank you very much. zoo officials can rest, i guess, a little easier. brian todd in washington for us. coming up next here, arresting edward snowden. we're going to talk live to a former cia operative and ask him many questions including what options the united states has in terms of getting snowden in custody. and bringing him back to the
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hemispheres and tangles diplomatic ties. and as u.s. authorities search for this man, snowden is searching for asylum. first he fled to hong kong from hawaii. that was reportedly back on may 20th. then yesterday, follow along here, he took a flight to moscow. this is according to russian officials. he was able to leave hong kong reportedly by using refugee papers issued by ecuador. and that country may turn out to be his final destination. maybe. we toedon't know. ecuador is helping another famous leaker, wikileaks founder julian assange. he confirmed on a conference call today that his organization has, in fact, been giving financial support to who is currently the most wanted man in the world. >> edward snowden is not a traitor. he is not a spy. he is a whistle blower. who has told the public an
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important truth. >> so where is edward snowden now? we don't know. there is no direct flight from moscow to ecuador. so the plane has to stop somewhere. and speculation is it will land in cuba. snowden has already missed one flight to cuba. but we know there is another one scheduled. so let's go straight to havana to cnn's patrick otman who is there. do we have him? you with me? >> hey, brooke. >> i'm looking at the picture. there you are. i see you. i understand there is a flight tonight coming in from moscow. so you just wait. >> reporter: that's right. i'm here, but is edward snowden going to be here? at least for the moment it seems like he's leaving cuba off his i tinry. that could change. it seems to be a logical stopping point if he's going to try to get to ecuador as you said, how does he get to ecuador, which appears like they
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seem at least willing to consider an asylum request. but without going through a third country where he might be grabbed by the u.s., where that third country might hold him and extradite him to the u.s. that's really the problem he has. he was supposed to be on -- scheduled to have been on a flight, expected to have been on a flight this morning from moscow to havana. apparently pulled a no-show. where is he? exhua dor's foreign minister says he doesn't know. julian assange says he knows but isn't saying to protect edward snowden. right now the u.s. is putting pressure on countries throughout the world including here in cuba where they really don't have a lot of pressure they can exercise. they've asked havana if edward snowden shows up here that he be turned over to the u.s. still no word back from cuban authorities on what they would do if snowden does appear here. something of a political battle of wills being played out. whether to place edward snowden under the care of political asylum or in handcuffs, brooke. >> as you point out this is all the what if game. we don't know if he's headed to
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cuba, to venezuela, ecuador, et cetera. if he does land in cuba, what are -- walk me through, patrick, just sort of some of the possibilities while he is on cuban land. >> reporter: you know, does he ask for political asylum here? enjoy the dozens of other american fugitives? most of the people the cuban government claims have a political element to their cases. black panthers. people who came here in the 1960s and '70s who've enjoyed asylum here despite the fact for years the u.s. has asked for their return. the u.s. really doesn't have anything they can do. there's already an economic embargo on cuba. they don't really have a lot of pressure they can apply that they already haven't applied over the years. or does edward snowden if he lands here immediately go to another country like ecuador or venezuela that's close with the castro government, that has that kind of close relationship that the castro government would be willing, apparently, to let him go on to that country.
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you know, close ally like ecuador. of course, the cuban government at this point has confirmed none of this. they say they're watching the situation very closely but say they have no knowledge of edward snowden's impending arrival here in cuba. >> so you and i'm sure many other reporters continue to stand in havana and wait. patrick oppmann thank you so much. we'll stay in close contact with you. let me bring it back to washington. we now know within the past hour the president of the united states has responded briefly but publicly to the situation here. let's go to the white house to our chief correspondent there, jessica yellin. just set the scene for me. tell me where the president was when he made these remarks. >> reporter: hi, brooke. president obama was in a meeting to promote the immigration reform bill that's moving through congress, meeting with top business leaders, when reporters started shouting questions at him, asking what he's doing to try to win edward snowden's return to the u.s. you can see here with the videotape we'll play shortly, he really is trying to take a low key approach on this personally.
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it would seem trying not to put his own prestige and that of the u.s., the white house, on the line in winning snowden's return. here is the president responding to those questions. >> you know, what we know is that we're following all the appropriate legal channels. and working with various other countries to make sure that rule of law is observed. and beyond that, i'll refer to the justice department that has been actively involved in the case. >> reporter: so he first said thanks, thanks, thanks, guys. tried not to get into it. as you saw kicked it over to the department of justice state department. bottom line, he was asked if he's put in a call to russia's president putin. and didn't answer that directly. one reason would be, brooke, the president wouldn't want to place that call and then not win the return. no reason to put himself out there like that if it's unlikely that it would win a result. i should make it clear the white
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house has already said they believe, here from this building, the belief is that snowden is in russia. that's what they're telling us, brooke. >> i know the president obviously had a -- understand snowden has up staged the president's plans today. >> reporter: where news goes, no one here can really control it. the president wanted to highlight immigration reform, an important priority for the president. but he was asked about edward snowden. at the briefing today jay carney tried to lead off by talking about, a new initiative to get people signed up for health care reform. no one asked about it. all the questions for about edward snowden. it does look like the agenda is being eclipsed by all this nsa news, brooke. >> jessica yellin for us at the white house. no surprise there. jess, thank you so much. just a short time ago we heard from the young woman who was denied admission to the university of texas and took ut to court, as in the united states supreme court, and won today. sort of. here's abigail fisher.
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>> it's been a great privilege to witness how our legal system works to seek justice for an individual like me. the most important lesson i've learned during the last five years is to stick by your ideals even if it means some personal sacrifice. >> abigail fisher claimed the university's race based relation rules violated her rights. the supreme court pretty much seems to agree. jeffrey toobin, cnn senior legal analyst, good to see you. >> hello, brooke. >> let me make sure i have this right. we have the u.s. support saying, yes, that an applicant's race can be considered for entry into college only, only, only if nothing else works to maintain diversity on campus. is that correct? >> that's more or less what they're saying. i mean, it's a -- it's a very peculiar opinion. because, you know, there's this big windup to, you know, we're going to have the supreme court talk about affirmative action. and then they say, well, we want the lower courts to look at it
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again. it seems clearly to be a compromise verdict. it was a 7-1 opinion. ruth bader ginsberg, the liberal, was the only dissenter. elena kagan didn't participate. they seem to be kicking the can down the road a little bit under affirmative action. they said we think it's okay, but under very narrow circumstances we haven't spelled out. that's the status quo. you can be sure this decision is an invitation for lots more challenges to affirmative action. this issue is far, far from over. and the opponents of affirmative action are certainly going to be emboldened by this. >> what if, you know, you're part of the college admissions staff. do you wait, then, for this to go to the lower courts or do you pretty much have your marching orders? >> you know, what are you asking, like, a practical question? what are people supposed to do in their real lives? you know what, it's a very tough question. and i don't think i know the answer to it. because i don't think there's a
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clear answer out there. >> huh. >> you have put your finger on exactly the issue here. you're an admissions officer at the university of texas or any other school. you look at this opinion and you say, what am i supposed to do? and i don't really know the answer. i think that's -- that's a very frustrating aspect to this opinion. because it seems to say, you know, race can be considered, but in a very narrow way. and i don't really know what that means. i think that's really an example of the supreme court not doing its job very well. you got to answer the questions for people. here they seem to have gone out of their way to do a compromise, but one that i think leaves a lot of mystery in its wake. >> jeff toobin, darn those practical questions people can actually relate to. that's our job, right? >> that's why we're here if not them. thank you. now to another case the nation is watching. george zimmerman. on trial for killing an unarmed teen. and his defense team just finished its opening statement.
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the whole thing started with a knock-knock joke. >> knock, knock. who's there? george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right. good. you're on the jury. >> yep. that really happened. you will have to hear how the jury reacted to that. we're live outside the courtroom in florida, next. [ female announcer ] your smile. like other precious things that start off white, it yellows over time.
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more than a year after florida teenager trayvon martin was shot and killed, opening statements have just wrapped in the trial of his shooter, george zimmerman. the prosecution, they're trying to convince this jury of six women that zimmerman is guilty of second defwrgree murder. that he pursued martin, he engaged him in a fight and
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ultimately shot and killed him. >> [ bleep ] punks. these [ bleep ]. they always get away. those were the words in that man's chest when he got out of his car, armed with a fully loaded semiautomatic pistol and two flashlights to follow on foot trayvon benjamin martin. who was walking home from a 7-eleven. armed with 23 ounces of arizona brand fruit use and a small bag of skittles candies. >> on the other side, the defense is arguing that george zimmerman was forced to act in self-defense to save his own life. i want to bring in our legal analyst here, sunny hostin, who has been following this so closely. she's outside the courthouse there in sanford. sunny, we have to talk about this defense opening statement. you have don west. he tells this knock-knock joke
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which to quote martin savidge, it was a defense dud. but now the news is that he came back from the lunch recess, has apologized to the jury. tell me more about that. what do you make of that? >> reporter: yeah. i mean, you know, i think it fell so flat in the courtroom, brooke, i was there when he was delivering the opening statements. when i heard that and looked at the faces of the jury, i mean, it was just unbelievable how poorly it was received. and so i suspect that, you know, he regrouped with mark o'mara. because mark o'mara did, in fact, walk up to him, brooke, during his opening statement and sort of pat him on the back. then we took a recess. i think the defense obviously reassessed. they obviously saw what we all saw in the courtroom. and he apologized. where does that go? i'm just not so sure. i think the problem with the defense's opening wasn't even so much the knock-knock joke. although that was terrible. it was the length of the opening statement. it was rambling. he lost many of the jurors. i was looking at them. brooke, it's the first day.
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the first day of the trial. >> how long was it? >> reporter: some of the jurors were sort of nodding off. it had to by my estimation go beyond two hours. what was fascinating is, on the flip side, you've got the state, a very, very short opening statement. about 32 minutes. very succinct. it was sharp. while it started with profanity, it was really strong. and it was delivered by a very good looking guy. he looks kind of like a young kevin costner. i will tell you that the women on that jury, an all female jury, they were riveted. they didn't look away. >> tell me, between the it shall y -- the state's opening statement and the defense's lengthy opening statement, was there a moment that was most poignant for you just sitting and observing? >> reporter: you know, there were so many moments, actually. i think the state's opening was just flawless. it was textbook. law professors will be using that opening, i suspect, in law school classes in the fall. what was especially poignant was that he attributed the words,
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the profanity, and many of the actions just to the defendant. they were his words. and i think another very poignant moment was sybrina fulton walked out of the courtroom when the defense started playing the tape of someone screaming in the background. now, of course, the defense says, no, that's george zimmerman. but sybrina fulton has always maintained that was her son's voice. remember, there are five mothers on that jury of six women. when she walked out of the courtroom, brooke, i looked right at those jurors. and each one of them followed her with their eyes outside of the courtroom. it was especially poignant. >> sunny hostin, we'll check back in with you tomorrow as this thing continues here for at least several more weeks, sunny. thank you. for more on the zimmerman murder trial i want you to watch "self-defense or murder: the george zimmerman trial tonight at 10:00 here on cnn. something so many people are
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buzzing about. he is one of the top players in the nfl. but aaron hernandez is in the news today for a much different reason this offseason. he is being questioned in a murder investigation. and now some are taking a closer look at his background. before he landed in the nfl. could that provide any clues? we're going to talk with the nfl writer for "the boston globe" next. if there was a pill to help protect your eye health as you age... would you take it? well, there is. [ male announcer ] it's called ocuvite. a vitamin dedicated to your eyes,
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police are back on the job today near the home of nfl player aaron hernandez. this time they are searching this roadside stream. they have already searched his house not just once, but twice. they have looked in his car. they've gone and searched the nearby woods. even gone to a strip club. why? this is all part of an investigation into last week's death of odin lloyd whose body was found in this industrial park near hernandez's neighborhood. lloyd's family says the two men were friends. ben as a ruvulan joins me from . he covers the nfl for "the boston globe." let's be here. police haven't named hernandez as a suspect. but if he is not officially a suspect, is it safe to say he is
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the focus of this investigation? >> it's very clear that he's a person of interest in this investigation. the investigators and police have been to his house four times now since the beginning of last week. they've scoured inside his house twice including for four hours on saturday. they came by with a locksmith and a crowbar. they walked away with some paper bags, presumably of evidence. today they came back with scuba gear. they were searching the streams near his home. they also had metal detectors, looking for any kind of weapon. they scoured also the industrial park about an hour -- a mile from his home. where they believe the murder took place. they're looking for shell casings, bullets, anything that can tie a murder weapon to this incident. so far, though, it doesn't appear like they've come up with anything substantial because here we are and aaron still has not been charged yet. i think there could be a warrant for obstruction of justice. but it seems like they're trying to build a big r case on aaron. maybe apply some pressure to him. see if they can get a lengthy rap sheet instead of just going for a lesser charge. they're definitely still
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investigating this very thoroughly. aaron is absolutely a person of interest. it hasn't reached that critical point yet. >> so, you know, obviously you cover nfl. new england patriots. he's a pretty stellar player on the field. off, once you start looking into his background, this guy is not exactly -- how would you describe his background? let me just ask you that way. >> sure. you know, since this incident came out, you've started to hear from a lot of people from his past, a lot of nfl scouts, saying they stayed away from him in the 2010 nfl draft because he had some drug problems in college. and he had some people hanging around him, maybe some bad influences. he's from bristol, connecticut, which is about two hours here from boston. he's kind of living close to home right now. and i think it's pretty clear it's another case of a professional athlete not being able to say good-bye to people from his past. he doesn't have his lengthy rap sheet. but at the same time he is being sued by a friend who claims he negligently fired a gun at him and shot him in the eye and exploded his eye and permanently
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ruined his vision. he's being sued for $100,000 now. there's also an incident in college in 2007 he was questioned in a shooting. never really went anywhere. again, it's not like he's got this lengthy rap sheet. but at the same time, it appears that he has a significant history of weapons and hanging around the wrong people. it looks like it may have finally caught up to him this time. >> you would know about his college career. you were in florida. krou covered him as he played for florida. let me ask you about odin lloyd. according to hernandez's family these two guys were friends. do you know anything more about him? >> he was a semi prolinebacker here in boston. 27 years old. athlete just trying to keep the dream alive, i guess. apparently he was friends with a bunch of the patriots players. he was always seen hanging out with them, driving around various cars with patriots decals. him and aaron both date a pair of sisters, dated, i guess. there's definitely a connection there. there's video surveillance the
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globe has reported of showing hernandez and the victim together in the early morning hours before the murder took place. there's not much of time there, much of a window between when aaron could have possibly left and when the murder happened. video evidence that i think can be pretty damning to tie him to this case one way or the other. certainly this wasn't just a random thing. the two knew each other well. like i said, they dated a pair of sisters. they obviously knew each other very well. and the police -- it's pretty clear the police believe aaron knows something about this murder. >> ben volin, we know you'll be following it for "the boston globe." much more now, next, on the search for edward snowden. we'll talk live to a former cia operative. we'll ask him what options the u.s. has to arrest snowden and to bring him home to face these espionage charges.
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the best kept secret for the man known for spilling his secrets, his location. edward snowden charged with espionage is the target of this worldwide manhunt that crosses hemispheres, tangled diplomatic ties. as the u.s. is search r for him he is seeking asylum. look at this map with me to see where he's been thus far. first he left hawaii for hong kong reportedly back on may 20th. yesterday took this flight to moscow according to russian officials. and he was able to leave hong kong reportedly by using refugee papers issued by ecuador, which may turn out to be his final destination. maybe. where is he now? we don't know. snowden may have missed an earlier flight to cuba. but it's not 100% clear he even got on the plane. a cnn photographer on board not able to spot him in the cabin. that doesn't mean he isn't onboard somewhere else on this plane. here's what we do know. we know from ecuador's foreign minister that snowden has applied for asylum there.
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and to get to the south american country, speculation is that snowden will land in cuba for a stopover. mike baker, let me bring you in. former covert operations officer with the cia. bringing you back on this story. because i'm wondering just what options might -- does the u.s. have to physically grab, go find and track him down, grab snowden, and bring him back to the u.s.? >> well, brooke, the fact that we seemed unable to exert sufficient pressure on the chinese authorities, you know, you don't want to talk about hong kong as some separate entity. it's the chinese authorities. the fact we couldn't exert that pressure on the chinese authorities to have him returned thame tells me there's no chance this administration yun lat rr rylat going to try to nab him where he
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may be in a third country. i don't see it happening. >> if you don't see it happening, a number of of us on our team this morning started thinking, by no mans are these two men wanted for the same thing. pakistan and osama bin laden. we remember the special ops. s.e.a.l. team six swooping in. we didn't tell pakistan we were going in to get bin laden. we got him. along that same vein of not telling a country, is there, you worked in the cia for years, is there any kind of special ops team that does this kind of thing? he's a fugitive. he's wanted for espionage. >> i think there's -- it's apples and oranges. you're talking about bin laden. the dynamics entirely different. i'll raise one point. with the bin laden issue, it was -- i don't think -- obama and the white house understood that, you know, this operation, the potential and the decision about whether to actually go in and get bin laden would not be kept secret forever. there was no interest in being known as the president who didn't go in and get bin laden when we knew where he was.
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i think that was one of the driving dynamics of this. with snowden, it's an entirely different world. there are a lot of people here, many of them in the current administration's sort of base, that view him as a hero. in a sense i'm wondering how much of appetite, you know, within the white house they have for getting their hands on him, bringing him back, then the spectacle that would be his trial. >> what do you think, mike baker, just finally, best case scenario? the likelihood, i think you've already answered this, of getting him home to face these charges? >> brooke, that's a great question. when this story first broke, i mean, i -- you know, i completely miscalculated. i said i could not imagine the chinese authorities would not be convinced to cooperate with us on this issue. because they wouldn't want to bend their spear or potentially damage the relationship over something like this. well, i think in a sense, i
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mean, i really misplayed that. i didn't understand, i suppose, just how -- our relationship currently is with the chinese authorities. the lack of leverage that we currently have with them. he's in moscow likely right now. probably in the transit area of the moscow airport. the russians certainly have no obligation to be seen as playing with us and sharing well. if he does end up in ecuador which by all accounts is sort of the direction he's heading, the ecuadoran government is famously anti-american right now. he could well actually be given asylum there. we may not get our hands on him. which is, to me, again extremely surprising. >> we're waiting to hear how ecuador responds. we know he's filed. see if ecuador will take him. meantime the royal family in england is ready to welcome the new member of their family. the duchess of cambridge will be giving birth very soon. and it will be much different than baby deliveries here in the
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lebron james and teammates. looks like some cameras as well making their way through the city a little while ago. along with the championship trophy somewhere there, of course. they know the route well. they won the title last year, too. rachel nichols was in miami covering the end of it. she's back in new york. rachel, you, last time i saw you, you had the head band. then you got the man. you had the sit-down with king james himself. how is he doing? pretty good, i imagine? >> he's kind of happy. you know, it's a good summer to be lebron swraems. he's getting married this summer to his high school sweetheart. he's got his second nba championship trophy. i would say things are going pretty well in his world. this is a guy that undergoes such intense scrutiny, brooke, that he can't even be on his phone or social media or anything during the playoffs. because it's so distracting. everyone has an opinion on him. but the good side of that intensity is when you win, you win big. talk a listen. >> last year you kind of -- the time went by so fast.
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you know, and it's like, wow. dang. did i really just -- it's gone. it's gone like that. i'm going to make sure i take full advantage of this one. >> after you won your title last year you said it was the toughest thing you'd ever done. after you won the title this year you said you were going to go back and tell the guy from last year, no, no, no. this is the toughest thing you've ever done. why. >> i want to say i apologize. i lied to you last year. >> directly to my face. >> this one right here was definitely tougher. i tell you one thing. i love the feeling. >> i know during the playoffs you try to tune out all that outside noise. that you get off social media, you turn in your phone and that kind of thing. >> right. >> what do you do? >> i watch a lot of old basketball finals games, playoff games. watch some tv series. some tv shows. i rip through 24, a few seasons of that. watched a lot of the old bull finals games. >> michael jordan and kiefer sutherland got you through it. >> got me through it.
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>> you've been in the public eye since you were 16 years old. when you came down to miami, it's the first time you've ever been away from home. from that kid to this man getting married is a big change. >> even though i played for cleveland for seven years i still lived in my hometown of akron. i was in akron for 25 straight years. that's all i knew. all my friends, my family. when i made that change, it was very challenging for me. it's made me, i guess, grow. it's made me comfortable. and play the game of basketball at a higher level. >> being more of a grownup now, being more comfortable, being an adult, it can't be a coincidence that you feel that way off the court. professionally you're in the best time professionally of your life winning two championships. >> right. timing. timing. just try to take full advantage of it. >> brooke, i love that idea. that the moment powerful, talented basketball player in the world is just like the rest of us. that the first time you leave home, you get your shaky little wings out. you kind of test out the world. it teaches you new things.
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smacks up up aside the head a few times. you become a better, more strong person in the world because of it. that is why he feels he is professionally where he is, personally, as i said, he's getting married to the mother of his two young sons, high school sweetheart. good to be lebron james right thousand. turns out he's just like the rest of us. who knew you could say that about lebron. >> just like the rest of us. listen to you, rachel nichols. let me ask you, though, just because he brought up number 23, when you do the math, i was reading an article in one of the papers this morning. when you stack up the mvps, the rings, the finals, et cetera. at age 27 wh8 when you do the k james versus is comparison he's already surpassed michael jordan. >> here's the reason why lebron james is talking about staying off social media during the playoffs. because his career isn't even finished yet. all those articles and all of those twitter comments are happening in realtime with him. such a strange time to be a pro athlete. your legacy is being written, unwritten with every game that you play. i think when it's all over he
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will be a pretty interesting comparison to michael jordan. we'll have to see. he's only got two rings. michael had six. >> rachel nichols, great interview. thank you so much. good to see you. coming up next, news on everyone and everything. including the search is over. rusty the red panda had zoo workers in d.c. pretty nervous when he wasn't in his cage this morning. cnn crews were there within the last hour when he was captured. we have the video. plus, two big changes when you get your latte fix on in the morning at starbucks. one has to do with your wallet. the other, your health. and why actor jim carrey is having second thoughts about his latest role. power block coming up next. first, cnn's unique look at innovators changing the world. here's a preview of this week's "the next list." >> this week on "the next list," changing the lives of children born with shoulder injuries. >> when nathan was born, nerves
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the agency's deputy commissioner just came out with a report. cnn has obtained a documents that some of the lists were being referred to as recently as this month. the report also says there was no sign of intentional wrongdoing or outside influence. the findings of the full report will be the focus of a house hearing this thursday. >> and it seems to be a hot topic for both political parties, that being immigration. the senate will vote on immigration in just a couple hours. that could put the speaker of the house in an interesting position. jake tapper, host of "the lead" is following that for us. jake, set up the vote for us. >> well, the first, big important vote is the vote to increase border security. anyway senate sources on the democratic and republican side say they expect that it will pass, this amendment will be allowed to join the larger
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overall immigration reform bill. they do not think it will get much more over 60 votes but it will clear the 60-vote hurdle. and then later in the week there will be a final vote likely this week on immigration reform. and these same sources say they expect that the final bill will pass with an even greater number than the key amendment today. but here's the rub and, brooke, you nailed it, will this be able to get through the house? right now that is a big, big question. even if there is overwhelming support for this immigration reform bill in the senate, the idea of whether or not john boehner, the speaker of the house, would even bring it up for a vote is very much in question. brooke? >> so immigration. what else, jake tapper, do you have up your sleeve for the next, hour? >> well, we'll be talking to glen greenwald about the mystery of where ed snowden is and we'll
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talk to him about his role with snowden. over the weekend there was something of a dust-up between glen and a correspondent on another network and we'll talk to him about the role that glen greenwald actually played. we'll being talking about nelson mandela, about starbucks' new ruling that they're going to post all the calorie counts for all their food stuff. so everybody will get to know exactly how many calories are in those drinks -- >> mocha frapha. >> we're going to have our hash tag challenge, brooke. you really should be entering these. i don't know why you're not. the challenge will be to come up with new names for your favorite starbucks treats. >> interesting. >> and ones that hue more to the reality of what you are putting in your body. my humble example would be the
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fat fat fattachino. >> i will enter into said challenge. >> that's good. >> now technology, sports, business, health, science, show biz news. we begin with the panda story. little red panda disappeared at the national zoo in washington today, rescued within the past hour or so. brian todd, this guy's been all over the story for us today. let me go back to you, brian. what's the very latest? >> brooke, the very latest is very good news here at the national zoo that rusty, the red panda, has been captured, crated and brought back here to the national zoo. he's at the zoo hospital for a few days while they monitor his health. they say he has no signs of injury or ill health right now but they'll monitor him for a few days before they put him
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back into the exhibit he escaped in. we talked to a neighbor whose yard he was in. >> i came back from dinner with a friend and then i saw people with nets and police cars and everything. i asked what was going on and they told me there was an animal that apparently was seen in the back of my house. so i offered to let them in the house to see if they could spot him. and apparently they did. that's good. i'm glad they managed to catch him. >> were you worried at all? >> no. >> not afraid of a red panda? >> no. they're pretty calm animals, aren't they? >> i talked to another reporter, they were able to zero in on his location and surround him and lure him into nets and then into a crate, brooke.
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so there was a very dramatic recapture. another big question, how did he get out? these are tree dwelling animals, they sleep in trees, they climb a lot. they're investigating that now. they don't think -- >> did we lose him? brian at the national zoo. rescued. >> jim carey with thoughts on his new film. carey tweeted on sunday that he can no longer support this movie because he says it's too violent. carey said the sandy hook massacre, which happened right after the movie, changed his mind. the creator of the comic said the movies were based on said he respected carey's views but urged the actor to reconsider withdrawing his promotional support. and did you see this dare devil walk across the grand canyon on a tightrope?
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last year he walked across niagara falls. he's the grandson of carl wallenda, who launched the famous flying wallenda circus act in the 1920s. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. >> how do you catch a man who already knows all the tricks you'll use to find him? he keeps zigging when he's expected to be zagging. edward snowden is on the move. but with is his final destination? >> the money lead. stocks on a roller coaster. if you are following the markets closely today, seek a chiropractor for your whiplash. a wild day on wall street for your portfolio and your 401(k). and the pop lead. actor jim carey denouncing one of his own movies and, no, it's not "the grinch." why you may not see