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is at the airport in moscow, but not in russia. how is that possible? and later the high wire act that ahead tens of millions on the edge of their seat. he made it, but now nik wallenda has something bigger in mind. we begin with the powerful testimony at the george zimmerman trial. so powerful that trayvon martin's parents could not bear to hear it. it's centered on what happened in the seconds and minutes after george zimmerman shot trayvon martin as martin lay dying. it was by no means the only big moment today. there were others including a legal battle what the prosecution considers the linchpin of its case. but the testimony from the sergeant that tried to revive trayvon martin packed a serious punch. martin savidge joins us live. >> reporter: that was an extremely difficult day. this was a day that took the entire courtroom back to that
failful night in february of 2012. this was the first time we heard the story. the jury is hearing this essentially for the first time. they've seen george zimmerman. they know he's the defendant. they've heard the name trayvon martin. but today they saw the body of trayvon martin. that had tremendous impact in the courtroom. you saw a teenager laying on the ground. and you knew the fact that he was dead. george zimmerman admits to shooting him. so the imagery was strong, but even stronger, it was the first responder who showed up on the scene moments after the shooting and is trying to revive this young teenager with the help of another officer. here is some of what went on in court today. day two of george zimmerman's murder trial took the courtroom back to that tragic night, february 26, 2012. for the first time, jurors saw the body of the teenager zimmerman killed, trayvon martin. and listen to graphic testimony from one of the first police
officers on scene, who, with another officer, tried to revive the teen. >> after you rolled his body over on to his back, did you try to get a pulse? >> yes, sir, did. >> were you able to get a pulse? >> no, sir, i was not. >> what was your role on the cpr attempts on trayvon martin? >> i was doing breaths, sir. >> reporter: in the courtroom, martin's mother sat listening to the last moments of her son's life. >> did rescue take over the cpr efforts after they arrived? >> yes, sir. >> what did you see the rescue personnel do to treat or assess trayvon martin? >> i watched them hook up the leads of the akg machine. >> was trayvon martin pronounced dead by rescue at the scene? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: also taking the stand, a crime scene technician who gathered evidence around martin's evidence and examined the gun zimmerman used to shoot the teenager. she also photographed zimmerman's injuries, which the defense says were the result of
a vicious attack from martin. >> do you see that sort of lump on the top right of his head? >> yes, i can. >> and you saw it that night, too, right? >> yes, i did. >> did you see that lump on the top of his head? >> yes, i do. >> the top right side, and you saw it that night, as well? >> that is correct. >> reporter: also shown in the courtroom was the hoody sweatshirt marten was wearing when he died. to many it's a symbol of racial profiling that elevated this case to a national debate. earlier in the day with the jury out of the courtroom, the defense and prosecution fought over phone calls, specific calls zim made to police prior to that fatal night. police records showed zimmerman made does dozens of calls to police states things he found suspicious. the state wants to introduce six from the six months prior in an
effort to show zimmerman is frustrated seeing people as suspicious. they want to say zimmerman followed 17-year-old trayvon martin to make sure he wouldn't get away. the last witness on the stand said she saw two people standing upright and fighting that night, potentially more damaging to the defense, she said she heard a sound like running from left to right, possibly implying a chase. it's a detail she hadn't previously mentioned according to police transcripts. >> when was the first time you ever told anybody that you heard or saw whatever it was, movement from left to right outside of your back door? was it today? and if so, just tell us. >> i don't know if it was just today. >> okay. i'll ask it this way, could it be that the first time you mentioned this new piece of evidence was just now as you testified?
>> it could be. i don't know. >> reporter: martin savidge, cnn, sanford. >> the trial is not only televised but playing out on camera, it's been that way since the shooting itself. last night, martin teach ben crump came okay the program. but he's not trying the case. mark o'harra is. your co-counsel got some attention for a knock knock joke. what did you think about it? >> we had not discussed it before hand. i think what was happening, don has been frustrated with some of what has been going on. i made no bones about the fact that we've frustrated with the discovery from the state. this was an attempt by him to loosen himself up a little bit, because he's carrying some of that frustration with him. i would note it didn't work the way he wanted it to.
>> the state had wanted to have some audio experts, what they said were audio experts testify saying that on that 911 call that according to these audio experts, it was not george zimmerman's voice yelling for help. those so-called experts were not allowed to testify because essentially the fbi and others said the science just isn't there yet, the techniques aren't there. that must have been a key ruling for you. >> well, you know, yes and no. obviously on the surface, it looks like a key ruling but we have to back up. we had our expert witnesses who would say that it was george zimmerman. so i was not worried about the idea of having a sort of spectrum of experts to say everybody across the board. but what we realized once we found out about the case was that no expert could have a firm opinion about whose voice it was. even two of the state's experts, the two that the state pulled off of their witness list, those
two witnesses said though they thought it might have been trayvon martin on the first scream or two, they believed or thought it was probably george zimmerman on the last scream or two. so it sounds as though this is some huge deal for the defense that we kept out this witness. that's not true. the evidence that would have come in would have been across the board. mr. owen, who has a financial interest would have said what he said, and that was only a tendency. and mr. rike was not let in because nobody else could create his supposed test. so i would almost have encouraged letting those people in front of a jury just so we could have shown them for what they are. >> how concerned are you about the presence of trayvon martin's parents in the courtroom? several times, because of testimony, graphic pictures,
they have gotten up. his mother, his father today. apparently jurors are watching that, are seeing that. does that concern you? i know you had wanted the zimmerman parents to -- george zimmerman's parents to be able to be in the courtroom. they won't be until they have testified. >> this is a tragedy for both families. i've said that sense the first day we talked. and the victim's family, mr. martin's family has a right to be in the courtroom, and as long as they act appropriately, that they should stay there. obviously, there are things that we do that are somewhat insensitive to a family that has lost a loved one, and if they need to leave the courtroom because of that, i'm fine. what i don't want is any type of maneuver or show boating or something that would suggest to try to impact on that jury. as long as they stay away from negative impact on the jury,
both the martin side and the zimmerman side, we'll have a good, just verdict based only on the evidence. >> it's probably too early to ask this, and you probably wouldn't answer it if you did know, but have you planned to have george zimmerman take the stand? >> that's a dynamic decision we have to make. the prosecution has to prove this case and that george did not do so in self-defense. they have to disprove self-defense beyond a reasonable doubt. if i think they ever get to that burden, then we might consider whether or not we have to present any case at all. >> mark, good to have you on. thank you. as always, what we see, what the trial attorney who is advocating for what his client sees, joining us time is paul
henderson and mark geragos. mark, it's interesting to hear mark o'mara says he wished the opposite side had been introduced a witness just because how bad a witness he thought he would be. >> well, i feel his pain, so to speak. you cannot just lay down in a case like this and say we're not going to object to something that's complete junk or bogus science. but at the same time, can you imagine the sandbox you could play in if you put that so-called expert up on the sand? as a defense lawyer, you would have a field day. and i think the judge made obviously the right decision by keeping it out. there isn't anybody that would say that's a peer reviewed or generally accepted in the scientific community. i understand, most good defenses lawyers give up the opportunity
to eviscerate somebody on the stand who has gone over the top in their opinion. >> palm, as we said earlier, zimmerman's defense team did spend a lot of time today trying to keep the jury from hearing those past 911 calls. how damaging do you think they could be if they're admitted? >> well, one of the things that people would hear or could hear is that maybe there was a past pat attorney or past practice or they would glean from those conversations that this guy really was acting in a style that was more similar to vigilante rather than someone just protecting the neighborhood. so this is why you see the prosecution fighting so hard to introduce those tapes and to show that to the jury to try and give them their lens of why zimmerman behaved the way he did on that night and how he approached the ultimate confrontation that ended up in the homicide -- or ended up in the death.
>> mark, those calls cut both ways. you could listen to them and say he was the neighborhood watch guy and those are the calls he's making. >> you know, anderson, you would think that i did a preinterview with you, because i would thinking the same thing. these calls, generally, and you ask paul, i've been in case where is the prosecutor would want to put that on. here's somebody who is being a good samaritan, somebody who is trying to do the right thing. and what is their reward? you know, they end up getting into a fista cuffs with somebody. so it cuts both ways. i understand what the prosecution is trying to do. they're trying to tap into this kind of collective, unconscious, if you will, that people have, the feeling that they have about security types or wannabe security types or neighborhood watch people. i think the problem they've got is, they're playing from a prosecution playbook, but they do not have their typical
prosecution kind of script hor set of facts that they normally would have. i'm not sure that what they're doing is effective. >> mark, the jurors did see these crime scene photos today of trayvon martin. some of them were very graphic. the prosecution didn't seem to be trying to prove anything in particular by showing them. is that common to enter evidence in order to elicit emotion or sympathy from the jury? >> absolutely. this is actually a little bit unorthodox. i generally have the experience where the prosecutors will wait until maybe towards the end of the case to introduce the autopsy pictures or crime scene photos. the reason is, you want to have the jurors not be desensitized to them, if that could happen, but you want to send them off into the jury room with that image in their minds. it's a little unorthodox to
front load with this. so they have a reverse playbook on the usual prosecutor does. >> we also saw a pictures of george zimmerman, the injures he sustained. paul, mark, thank you. lot us know what you think. follow me on twitter. coming up next, edward snowden is in moscow at the airport, at least we believe he's there. but russia's president says he can't be extradited to the united states. we'll take a look at why that is and what, if anything, is russian intelligence up to when it comes to the secrets he may be carrying. >> >> later, the little girl that was taken from her adoptive parents. today, the supreme court gave them hope. they join us shortly. la's known definitely for its traffic,
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welcome back. edward snoeden finds himself waiting at the airport for a connecting plate. he's got a headful of stolen secrets and the number one superpower wants him and them back. the other difference, we get stuck in atlanta. he's stuck in moscow in the precustoms transit air. at least this is what we believe. which is where the russian government today said it makes him legally untouchable because he's there. john, the russians are admitting that he's in moscow's airport,
but has anyone seen him, laid eyes on him? >> reporter: certainly not, anderson. we have been on the ground for 18 hours, and snowden arrived here 72 hours ago from hong kong to moscow and has not been seen since. president putin reaffirming what we thought that snowden is in the transit area. this covers an area of about half a mile. a couple things we found out here on the ground for sure, he didn't hop on this flight to havana which takes off at 1400 in the afternoon. we saw the plane tax-to-the runway. there was no stoppage to put on a special passenger. he never stayed in the transit hotel. it's about 100 yards behind me here. 40 rooms, we spoke to the
management. they knew the name of edward snowden but said he has never checked into that hotel. which leads us to believe he's here somewhere, but in a modern facility, and in true russian fashion, if they wanted to create an area to blocked off to hold someone like snowden -- >> and putin is not mincing words in his comments today. >> reporter: he's not mincing words and it's fair to say he broke his code of silence. this is something he wanted his foreign minister to handle. but he thought as the intrigue started to rise, he needed to step in. he's suggesting the sooner that edward snowden can find a new destination, the better for all of us. >> john, thank you very much. let's dig deeper now into what kind of impact this has had already, what more edward snowden might be able to do, as well as the spy game.
we're joined by former senior official with the fbi and cia. phillip, what happens now? would snowden be able to stay in russia for a while? does he go somewhere else? how long can someone stay in the transit lounge of an airport? >> my guess is this a an uncomfortable environment for him. the relationship between russia and the united states is not great. putin is going to say, we have this guy, he's in essence in a no-man's land. we want him to leave, we can't force him to leave. the u.s. is in a difficult spot. we're not going to send in a s.w.a.t. team, what do we do? >> what are the options? >> the first option is to go in and say look, we have an arrest warrant, the department of justice has said he's violated a federal law, will you turn him over? beyond that, arnold schwarzenegger does not work for the cia. you're not going to send in a seam with black hawk
helicopters. if he wants to move to ecuador and wants to live in a government compound, i'm not sure there's much we can do. >> if he had wanted to sell secrets to the russians or to the chinese, he could have very easily done that and be ensconced somewhere in beijing or moscow. he seems not to have done that. do you believe what he has said, which is he's only talking to journalists? >> i don't. if you're sitting there in a russian airport, who do you think is sitting around you. do you think journalist are sitting around you or people that want to understand about how we attack russian sicyber systems. he's a naive then 29-year-old, now 30-year-old. he had an idea hi wanted to expose u.s. collections systems to the world. now he's thinking i didn't think about the next step, what is the next step? i'm sure he doesn't know what that is.
>> you don't think he thought this through? he seems like an intelligent guy, no? >> i think that's a different question than whether he thought this through. we're dealing with three dimensional chess here. he had to figure out how to deal with the russians, how to deal with wiki leaks. there's no way that a 29-year-old living at the national security agency thought through three dimensional chess at the level we're playing today. >> if the situation was reversed and there was an official from chinese intelligence or the russian security services who had information and was in the u.s., the u.s. would want to hold on to that person. >> i would take a step beyond what you just said. if i'm sitting in a room at cia or fbi and someone says there's a chinese intelligence official who wants to talk to us or
russian intelligence official and moscow is asking him back, i would do two things. number one, what is hard drive, thumb drive, his phone and download it. talk to him, and then third, tell the russians or chinese, he's not going home right now. there's no way we would take a different position. >> phil, thank you. just ahead, the supreme court issued its ruling in the baby veronica trial. we'll talk to the parents just ahead. also, what was going through nik wallenda's mind when he was walking across the grand canyon on a two-inch cable? that's next. "i'm part of an american success story,"
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dy voided supreme court today struck down key parts of the voting rights act of 1965. this is one of the most closely watched cases on the docket. the ruling found congress had not provided adequate justification for subjecting nine states in the south to federal oversight. the rational outlined the majority opinion was that the law passed at the peak of the civil rights era is out of date. the ruling leaves it up to congress to revise the law. and we have a "360" follow. the court issued a ruling in a child custody case. not many custody battles end up on the supreme court's docket. but this one turned on the indian child welfare act, a 35-year-old federal law. this is baby veronica, she's now 3 years old.
the 5-4 decision issued appears to be a victory for her adoptive parents but it is complicated. >> reporter: this is video from the last time matt and melanie saw their little girl, veronica, new year's eve, 2011. they raised her for two years and were in the process of adopting her, when a south carolina family court ordered them to hand her over to the girl's biological father. >> do you think this is in her best interest? >> i think so. >> reporter: a man veronica had never even met. >> for a little girl to be put in a car with strangers and driven to oklahoma and having no recourse or control over it, you know, we're her parents. i'm her father. we're supposed to be there to protect her. >> you want to be an engineer when you grow up? >> yes.
>> reporter: now 3, veronica is caught in the middle of one of the strangest adoption cases we've ever heard. it began in 2009, before she was born. when veronica's biological mother put her up for adoption. the couple was thrilled when an adoption attorney connected them with the biological mother. he said the girl's father, dustin brown, agreed to waive his parental rights. when veronica was born, it was matt who cut the umbilical cord. ever since, she had lived with them in social. >> i guess people think we're not supposed to love her until the ink is dry. we're supposed to kind of care for her until everything is years down the line and she's adopted. >> reporter: the couple was heart broken when just four months after they brought her home, her biological father filed for custody. even though he signed a legal
document saying he would not contest the adoption. he was able to do so because of the act known as the indian child fair act. brown is a member of the cherokee nation, which means veronica is part cherokee, too. congress passed the law after realizing many children were being removed from their homes. the law was designed to protect the interest of indian children. >> i don't know how faring a child away from the only family she's ever known with no visitation is in her best interest. >> reporter: the attorney general for the cherokee nation thinks the law is working. >> it's not anyone's intent to rip a child away from a loving home. but we want to make sure those loving homes have the opportunity to be indian homes first.
>> reporter: after the family court ruled in dustin brown's favor, the couple petitioned the south carolina supreme court. after more than three months waiting, they got more bad news. the supreme court here in south carolina ruled in favor of veronica's biological father. it wasn't an easy decision for the court. the justices were split 3-2. in the majority opinion, they wrote they are upholding the family court's ruling with a heavy heart. the majority opinion concluded the biological father and his family have created a safe, loving and appropriate home for her. those in the dissenting opinion argued federal law shouldn't trump state law, finding father knowing thely abandoned his parental responsibilities in every respect. lawyers for dustin brown say "he's a good parent and veronica is happy, healthy and thriving." since she went to live with her biological father, they say
they've only been allowed to speak with her once. >> we told her we loved her, she said i love you too. and that was it. >> reporter: but matt and melanie didn't give up. they took their case to the supreme court and just today, heard the ruling. the court sided with them, but the journaly is not over. >> they now have to go back to family court in south carolina and at long last final ize the adoption. they should get it. they should win, but it could believe contested and it could take months. >> this is her room. >> reporter: they have always held out hope that veronica would come back to them. >> this is her home. it will always be her home, but she's going to come home and play with her stuff again. >> it's a symbol of our hope that she's coming home.
>> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, charleston, south carolina. >> in their split decision, the supreme court justices said the adoption of veronica was proper and did not intrude on dustin brown's federal rights. but it sent the case back to the lower court. they join me tonight for a "360" exclusive interview. i cannot imagine the nightmare, i don't think anybody can imagine the nightmare this has been for you the last two years since your daughter was taken away. melanie, how are you feeling? >> pretty good, relieved. we still have some way to go, but it was a huge win. >> take us back to the moment when you learned of the ruling, matt. >> i was at work, and melanie called me and at that point we weren't exactly sure what it meant. there was a little legalese to figure out. i knew it was good, though.
so i just got in my car and went home as fast as i could, and it's good news. it's real good news. we're very excited. >> just to be clear, this ruling doesn't mean that veronica is back in your custody yet, correct? >> not necessarily, no. no. we're still cautious. >> so you go to the south carolina courts and to formally adopt veronica, correct. >> that's our intent, absolutely. >> we're hoping they'll finalize the adoption. >> were there times sense 2011 that you thought this day might never come, that this ruling would not turn out as it did? >> we feared that, absolutely. we had to keep hope and keep fighting. but there's always that fear, yeah. >> melanie, what kind of contact have you had with your daughter sims she went with her birth
father in 2011 to oklahoma? >> we had one phone call the day after they took her, and we've had none at all since. >> none at all? >> none whatsoever. >> emotionally, i can't imagine what that's been like. >> it's been awful. >> terrible. what would any other parent feel like if they were cut off completely from their child for so long? and just not knowing, you know, how she was doing. we don't know how she was feeling and it's been pretty awful. >> i know you haven't had any contact with her in the last two years. have you had any contact with the birth father to find out how she's doing or anything? >> none. >> the only thing we've ever known is what's been put in the papers. that's the only pictures or information we've ever gotten. >> you've had to learn about your daughter by looking at pictures in the paper? >> uh-huh. yep. >> yeah.
>> do you have -- i mean, maybe you don't want to hope too much, but do you have any special plans for a reunion? have you allowed yourself to even think about that yet? >> i think we have pretty good visions, we've had that for the last year and a half. but in terms the of plans, we don't have any plans yet. we just -- we're still trying to figure out what this all means. >> we just want her home with friends and family and all of our family. so she can know everybody. we're just looking forward to that. >> melanie, matt, i'm so happy for you both and i wish you the best and i hope you are all reunited soon. >> thank you so much, anderson. >> thank you. thank you so much. >> it's been a long, long journey. coming up, a terrifying home invasion caught on nanny cam. a new jersey woman is beaten on
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skyline, hoping to walk a tight rope for his next big adventure. there you see the distwans. on sunday, he became the first person to walk across the little colorado river gorge near the grand canyon. he did it without a safety harness, walking 1500 feet in the air for 22 minutes and 54 seconds. here are some of the death defying highlights from that tight rope walk. >> oh, i praise you jesus. help this cable to calm down. the winds with way worse than i expected. hard to relax when you're 1500 feet above a canyon. [ applause ] thank you, lord. >> incredible to watch. i spoke with nik wallenda just a short time ago. first of all, congratulations. >> thank you. >> i was weak in the knees. i'm afraid of heights, so
watching it was terrifying. did it go the way you thought it was going to go? >> well, you know, there's no way to really tell in advance of what it's going to go like. to i try to prepare for the worst case. in sarasota, florida in my hometown, we put up a cable that was 1,000 feet long that simulated the movement of the cable and i brought in wind machines. i walked in 92-mile-an-hour steady winds, as well as 50-mile-an-hour gusts. torrential down pour and 52-mile-an-hour wind. just to try to prepare for anything. >> you had to contend not just with wind but sand. >> something i didn't think ant. there's always those unknowns. >> even as much as you prepare, there's always something. >> there's always something. thank god once i got over that edge, it started to feel all
right, as far as the grip on the cable. >> i read you say that the view was beautiful. >> it was amazing. >> do you think about that? >> i do. it's funny, i've done this my entire life. i started walking wire at the age of 2. my grandfather said life is on the wire, everything else is just waiting. so i was so focussed, and there were three points where i looked down and enjoyed it. >> wow. ever trip and fall just on the street? >> it's not very often, for sure. but there are times -- i've never fallen all the way ground, but yeah, i've stumbled on things. of course. walking and texting, not a good thing. even for me. >> i read that your dream is to go between the empire state building and the chrysler building. the city has said no way, that's not going to happen. do you think you can change their mind? >> the government said no way when i walked across niagara
false at least 100 times. and my mantra is never give up. so if i have a dream about something, i'm passionate about it. never would i ever do anything without authority's permission. so it's a process. i've never even submitted anything to them. so they don't even know the details. we have meetings years in advance for most of these events. we go through all of that stuff in advance. we haven't even knocked own their door. >> there are other places in new york, just looking at central park, you were saying you would love to walk across central park. >> i would. a mile over central park. >> is that possible? >> absolutely. >> where would you run a cable? >> we would put cranes up, park them in central park. i would love it to be longer than a mile. >> you talk about the time
warner center. >> that's another one i've had my eyes on for a long time. >> it doesn't look like you could put a cable anywhere. >> i've got amazing engineers, and we've went between many, many buildings. i'm sure we could do it. i was hoping when i heard we were going to be on the roofer, i thought we were going to be up there. >> you talked about not doing anything without permission. another performer walked between the newly built world trade centers in the '70s. you wouldn't do that? >> i wouldn't. i have permits in place before i do anything. >> what does through your mind when you're on that wire? >> a lot of times it's very peaceful. it is so natural to me that all the troubles of the world, whether i'm in an argument with
my wife or father or any problems, they all go away. one of the reasons is, because i'm so focused on what i'm doing. there's something special, there's something spiritual about it for sure. >> can you be too focused? >> i don't know if you can be too focused. i was pretty darn focused walking over the grand canyon the other night. >> ever been afraid of heights? >> no, but i respect heights. i realize there's a lot of danger here. >> we're talking about walking on this. >> i was standing here thig it would be fun to walk on this. >> you think it would be fun to walk on this? >> absolutely. but i was looking, yeah, that's anchored good and sturdy. >> please don't do that. >> i won't. >> it's a pleasure to meet you. >> thanks for having me on. crowds are gathering outside the hospital where nelson
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nation. that thing where people wear pants too big for them. the problem is being addressed in mull try, georgia. pants can't be three inches lower than your waist. and at least one resident seems happy about the rule. >> when i go out to eat somewhere, i don't want to see nobody's undershorts. it just ain't nothing pretty about that. >> nothing pretty about it. the city manager says the saggy pants ban is a matter of simple decency. but now the good citizens of the town could face fines up to $200 for repeat offenders for first time offenders $25. >> it should make people open up their eyes and see you don't have $25 to waste. >> this isn't the only town taking a stance. from the jersey shore to louisiana, there is a crackdown
on saggy pants. an issue that's been hagging around for a while. in jacksonville, florida, someone started collecting belts to give away for free. >> it's disrespectful for men to be going around with their pants hanging down and underwear hanging down. >> i can't tell them to pull up their pants without feeling like i'm 100 years old. our trousers went all the way up to our armpits. we were happy, gosh darn it. back in my day. i don't know who i'm imitating. i feel like this is a fashion thing and it will run its course. although if you remember "clueless" cher was waxing poetic about saggy pants in the '90s. >> i don't get how guys dress today. it looks like they just fell out of bed and put on some baggy
pants. with a backwards cap and we're expected to swoon? i don't think so. >> that was a good movie. that was in 1995. so maybe saggy pants are here to stay and with more and more towns banning them, you can make your check payable to the "ridicu-list." that's welcome to "piers morgan live." shocking testimony about the last moments of trayvon martin's life and the decision of the legal court, my team breaks it do you remember. 13 million people watched this live on the discovery channel. >> praise you god, praise you jesus. a wing and a prayer, quite literally. i'll talk to a key member of the team and pastor joel osteen and the mind of edward snowden, who is the man that revealed america's secrets.