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pac-man fever. you get to walk in pac-man's shoes. it's pretty creepy. it was created by a british fee lance game developer and it's available for free online. i turn you over to wolf blitzer in "the situation room." mr. blitzer. thank you. happening now, the boston bomber indicted. >> and another gripping day in the trial of the man charged with murdering trayvon martin. and a make-or-break vote on immigration. which way did the senate go? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we begin with what's been another fascinating day in the george zimmerman murder trial. on the stand today for the second day in a row as a so-called star witness for the prosecution, rachel jeantel, the
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last person believed to talk to trayvon martin before his deadly confrontation. amid hours of cross-examination from the defense, it was almost impossible to turn away from her animated expressions, combative answers and often irritated demeanor. now the big question is this -- did she help or hurt the state's case? cnn's martin savidge has been inside the courtroom all day. he's joining us right now with the very latest. so what happened? >> reporter: rachel jeantel is the kind of witness that journalists love but also the kind of witness that can be both a nightmare for the prosecution and defense and she probably lived up to that reputation over these past two days. however, that said, she did seem to be different today on the stand. her responses, depending on how you weigh the "yes, sir" seemed to have a bit more respect and decorum than yesterday and she also seemed for firm in her
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answers when challenged. she is key as a witness. she maintains she was on the phone with trayvon martin right up to the moment that the confrontation happened between zimmerman and the teen. he said she heard trayvon say "i'm willing followed" and then she heard him say something like "what are you following me for?" and zimmerman said "what are you doing around here?" and then she said she heard the wet grass and then she heard trayvon saying "get off, get off." that's all very damaging to the defense, which is why the defense went after her again today. take a listen. >> so he told you that he could see the man again, the man was behind him, correct? >> yes. close. >> sure. >> yes, sir. >> and if he were hiding somewhere and the man walked close to him, they would be close together, correct? >> objection. argumentative.
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>> in any event, your sense of it was that they got close together at that point? >> he got close to trayvon, yes, sir. >> and you don't know whether the man was approaching trayvon at that point and getting closer or whether trayvon was approaching the man and getting closer. >> trayvon would have told me he'll call me back, sir, if he was going to approach him, sir. >> so you're assuming that trayvon didn't approach the man because he would have told you if he was going to confront the guy, he would call you back when it was over? >> yes, sir. >> that's one of those exchanges, wolf, where you could feel the tension in the courtroom. love her or hate her, the real question is what did the jury think? i looked at their faces, many paid very close attention. some often were writing notes. we just don't know at this
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particular point, wolf. >> martin savidge covering the trial for us, thanks very much. let's dig a little bit deeper with our senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin and sunny hostin in sanford, florida. you were inside that courtroom. what's the bottom line? how do you think it played out? >> you know, i was in the courtroom and watching the testimony and watching the jurors really closely because it is their opinions that matter, right? i think that they were very engaged, as martin said a lot of them were taking notes, they were looking at her. not with a look of confusion as if they didn't understand what she was saying but engaged and listening. i think that she actually did pretty well considering the tension that was there and considering the fact that she's a young girl on the stand for the first time being cross-examined by a very skilled attorney. she maintained the same thing throughout. she says george zimmerman was following trayvon martin very
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closely, that trayvon said why are you following me? and that really described george zimmerman as the initial aggressor, as the pursuer. that is crucial, crucial to the state's case because, after all, george zimmerman is claiming self-defense. if he is found to have been the first aggressor, if the jury believes rachel, then i think self-defense is almost off the table here. >> jeffrey, the defense, they have a tough job walking that very, very thin line. they want to undermine her credibility, but if they go too far, that could undermine their defense of george zimmerman. how do you think they did in that cross-examination. >> i think they did better today. i think it's useful to think of rachel's testimony in two parts. the first part is about her view that trayvon was saying he was following me that, george zimmerman was following me. i think her testimony there is very strong and very helpful for the prosecution. but when you get to the actual confrontation, i think her story
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gets a lot more wobbly. the idea that she could hear trayvon martin say get off, get off, think about that. he's holding a phone, it's such a chaotic situation and she has told different versions of that -- of that part of the story several times. so i think she is definitely a helpful witness for the prosecution, but she doesn't give the prosecution everything they want. and the most important part, the actual confrontation, i'm not sure she helps that much at all. >> how much of this trial, sunny, rests on this one young woman? >> she certainly is the star witness in my view because, again, it's about who started this fight, who started this confrontation. i don't think there's any question in anyone's mind that there was a confrontation, but what's most important is how did it begin? if you listen to george zimmerman, he says trayvon martin came out of nowhere and sucker punched him. if the jury believes that
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version of event, if the jury hears that version of events, it's over for the prosecution. but if they hear that version and have heard what rachel has said and they believe her, then the prosecution is well on its way to a conviction in this case. >> sunny hostin, thanks very much. jeffrey, don't go away, i've got some other questions on another case that we're watching as well. jeffrey tubin is standing by. let's go to the devastating boston marathon bombings and the subsequent manhunt that left four dead and injured more than 250. federal grand jury today returning a 30-count indictment against the surviving suspect in the attacks, dzhokhar tsarnaev, involving, among other things, his alleged role in using weapons of mass destruction. our national correspondent deborah feyerick is in boston, combing through the details. what's the latest, deb? >> reporter: wolf, we can tell
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you of those 30 counts, 17 of them carry a penalty of life in prison or even the death penalty. that would be have be decided by attorney general eric holder. the u.s. attorney who announced the indictment today did not discuss any sort of motive of the tsarnaev brothers. however, it shows tsarnaev's notes from the boat that say i p u.s. is killing innocent civilians, he doesn't like killing innocent people but there are situations that justify it and he says stop killing our innocent people and we will stop. the indictment also sheds light on a number of things that happened in preparation leading up to the attack on the boston marathon on april 15th. for example, the brothers allegedly purchased about eight pounds of explosives. also the electronic components used in the pressure cookers, wolf, those came from a store
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online. they bought it and had it shipped and they also bought a prepaid cell phone. dzhokhar tsarnaev is supposed to be here in this court on july 1th. >> and he was downloading a lot of information from jihadist web sites. there's a lot more detail on that. let's bring back jeffrey toobin for analysis. i read this entire indictment. i'm sure you read it as well. what's your bottom line? >> it really expands our knowledge, at least the government's version of it. it's so richly detailed. it reads like a thriller. and the theme of it all, i thought, was to preempt a like live defense in this case. the likely defense is this whole thing was the older brother's idea, that he was the mastermind, the only surviving brother, just went along. what the indictment does is it
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focusses on -- focused on dzhokhar's own activities and his action, calling his brother right before the brother sets off the two bombs. it is interesting, though, that it says the older brother is the one who actually pushed the button and set off both bombs. >> i'm sure there's going to be a lot more on this. the formal appearance in court i think scheduled for july 10th. thanks very much. >> up next, he's facing one murder charge. could there be more, though? details of an another investigation involving aaron hernandez. >> and a landmark vote on comprehensive immigration reform but the bill's biggest challenge still lies ahead. [ female announcer ] doctors trust calcium plus vitamin d
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ex-nfl player aaron hernandez is now being connection with a double murder last year in boston according to a law enforcement source close to the investigation. susan candiotti is working the story for us. what are you finding out, susan? >> reporter: hi, wolf. well, yes, it's more potential trouble for the former new england patriot tight end, that star player. we have learned that authorities are now looking at an unsolved double murder in boston that happened last summer, and they have now impounded, according to our source, boston p.d. has seized a silver suv with rhode island plates that they have been looking for since last year. now, they also believe that aaron hernandez was renting that suv at the time. wolf, it's unclear whether there is any linkage between that unsolved double murder and the current murder investigation going on right now, but that
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wasn't the only trouble facing aaron hernandez this way. by the way, i asked him lawyer whether they had any comment on the double murder possible link and they said they had nothing to say about it. but in court today, again his lawyers tried to convince a judge to grant him bail. they failed but the arguments they again were using was, look, he has no prior record, he owns a home, he has a fiancee and an 8-month-old child and the prosecutors in rebuttal argued again going into great details about the investigation and the execution-style slaying of victim odin lloyd and pointed out more information about a new search in the area we didn't know about where they seized additional ammunition and acc e accused hernandez of providing a vehicle for confederates, they
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called it to get out of town. >> he should be treated like any other defendant. if he's not a risk of flight, if the equities are in his favor, he has no prior record, he has a stable family situation, he's a member of the community, he has a solid employment situation. >> there's every reason to think that the case against him is strong, that he would be looking at -- that he would flee the commonwealth and potentially flee the country. >> despite the fact that he has a fiancee and a baby and is a homer, he also has a bracelet. >> the judge said that she was convinced that the prosecution seemed to have some considerable and very strong evidence at this time. also the defense attorney said, well, they're disappointed but they'll try to figure out what to do next. and in the meantime, hernandez
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today lost a second major endorsement, one that he had from puma. >> so the investigation goes on, wolf. . if he's convicted, he's going to be in jail presumably for the rest of his life. we'll watch the story together with you. >> when we come back, an historic day for imkbrags reform. we're going to live to capitol hill. an important vol has just occurred. plus president obama says he's not going to scramble jets to get the nsa leaker edward snowden. so how far is he willing to go to track him down? stay with us, you're in "the situation room." ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪
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a sweeping planned overhaul of immigration law, including a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants and billions for increased border security. the senate passed the bill just about an hour ago with vice president joe biden presiding. >> expressions of approval or disapproval are not permitted in the senate. the yeas are 68, the nays are 32. the bill as amended is passed. >> let's bring in our chief congressional correspondent dana bash. how long big of an moment in the effort to get comprehensive immigration reform this was is this. >> a big moment, a huge moment.
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this was the moment that proponents of immigration reform, comprehensive reform have been working for for seven years since the last time the senate was able to pass this. you heard the vice president not to say anything after the vote. the galleries were packed with staffers and members of the public because of the importance and the moment that this was. so much that the senate majority leader harry reid asked all senators to vote from their desks, which is something that they do on a rare occasion to really have the optics of something that is memorable. usually you see senators milling around when they're voting. but, look, in the end 14 senate republicans voted with all senate democrats. and this is really a big deal when you look at the way that most conservatives, many of them in their base feel about the whole idea of giving a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. they think it's amnesty.
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so the idea they got that many republicans should give this momentum going into the house. lindsay graham capped it off and explained why the senate voted for this after this issue being dead for a while and that is because the republican party lost so many latino voters in the last election that their base, white men basically, has been shrinking in the electorate and he said he hopes that this puts an end to the party of self-deportation, an elusion to what mitt romney said in the last election and hopes that term will be in the rear view mirror now. >> the president, even though he's in africa now, issued a statement after the vote saying the bipartisan bill that passed today was a compromise. by definition, nobody got everything they wanted, not democrats, not republicans, not me but the senate bill is consistent with the key principles for common sense reform that i and many others have repeatedly laid out. at the end of the statement he said we just need congress to finish the job.
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this is maybe halfway there because the house of representatives, they now is to either take up this legislation or come up with their own legislation, and it's by no means a done deal, is it? >> not at all. and the chances of the house republican leaders taking up the senate legislation, which gives a path to citizenship and does pour a lot of money into securing the border is basically zero. they've already said it's dead on arrival. the speaker himself said today if they do anything, they're going to take up their own version of it. many other leaders have said passing what the senate did was a pipe dream. because what the talk is now is of them doing it piecemeal. because a lot of conservatives in the house are from districts that are very, very red, wolf, and they don't have a lot of hispanic voters so their pressure is to focus more on border security, less on giving illegal immigrants a path to citizenship. many say they don't even want to
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touch that until they know the border is secure for years. >> and john boehner is saying he's not even going to let it come on on the shore unless he republicans members on the floor will support it. that's a big issue going forward. this is by no means a done deal yet. >> up next, justice right, left and senator. are politics now driving the u.s. sport? and president obama talks about what he won't do to capture america's most wanted leaker. [ whirring ] [ dog barks ] i want to treat more dogs. ♪ our business needs more cases. [ male announcer ] where do you want to take your business? i need help selling art. [ male announcer ] from broadband to web hosting to mobile apps, small business solutions from at&t have the security you need to get you there. call us. we can show you how at&t solutions can help you do what you do... even better. ♪
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happening now, president obama says he isn't going to be scrambling jets so just how far is he willing to go to track down the nsa leaker edward snowden? and a major decision for new jersey governor chris christie, with a controversial measure banning so-called gay conversion therapy heading to his desk. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room."
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a series of major rulings with something to upset just about everyone. the supreme court handing down decisions this week on some of the most controversial political issues facing the country, but has the court itself become too political? our national political correspondent jim acosta has been listening to all sides. jim, what are you hearing? >> reporter: wolf, this week the supreme court looked a lot like the rest of washington and for that matter of the rest of the nation, evenly divided, 50/50, mostly down partisan lines but, guess what? that's pretty much how it was supposed to be. all week long the supreme court felt more like a tennis court with decisions flying back and forth. the conservatives there day in the 5-4 decision against the voting rights act, leading liberals to cry judicial activism. >> an act of the supreme court cynically legislating from bench jim crow style, engaged in
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historic overreach. >> reporter: but then progressives came out on top striking down the defense of marriage act. >> when you look at this court, it is a divided court but it's not a politically divided court. it's an ideologically divided court. >> the republican appointed kennedy often plays the decisive swing vote. the court is so divided, 30% of the decisions this past year were 5-4. kennedy sided with the majority 91% of the time. that explains the razor thin margins of the roberts court in recent years on issues ranging from gay rights to issues dealing with money and politics.
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law professor jonathan turley says it's all a reflection of a supremely divided nation. >> if you walk across the street, you'll find a divided congress. that's not strange. if you walk in the neighborhood, you'll find a divided country. we are a country that has very strong conservative and liberal wings. it is not strange that the make-up of the court is a microcosm for society itself. >> i don't think any of my colleagues on any cases vote the way they do for political reasons. >> in an interview with cnn last year, justice antonin scalia said he and his fellow justices -- >> it should be no surprise. that's what elections have been about for a long time.
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>> reporter: turley says that's the way the court is supposed to work. did the court work this week? >> i think it worked exactly the way the framers wanted it to work. the framers wanted the president to renew the court with new appointees, with new voices and expected the court would shift with the attitudes and values of society. it has. >> indeed it did. now affirmative action, prayer and public spaces and presidential appointment powers are all expected to come up in the next term of the supreme court and once again, with the deeply divided court, the rest of the country will be keeping score. >> and election does matter as far as the supreme court is concerned. jim acosta, thanks very much. let's dig deeper with michael crowley. there's the cover of the new issue of "time" magazine, the pursuit of happiness. a wonderful pursuit that is. also gloria borger joining us and senior legal analyst jeffrey
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toobin is a real sport on the sport. is the supreme court, jeffrey, becoming too politically active shall we say? >> no. i think the court reflects the political divisions in the country and specifically the court reflects the disappearance of moderate republicans. think about the last three justices to leave the court, sandra day o'connor, david souter, john paul stevens, all moderate republicans who sometimes voted with the liberals, sometimes with the conservatives. they're all gone. we have a court where there are five republicans and four democrats and eight of the nine vote predictably along those lines most of the time. >> the cht justice voted to uphold obama care and justice kennedy voted to do away with the defense of marriage act. >> eight of the nine i said. justice kennedy is certainly the one who changes -- who is -- >> you don't include the chief justice you don't include in that potential swing vote?
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>> i don't and i got to be honest with you, wolf, i am still baffled and amazed that chief roberts voted the way he did in the health care case. i don't understand it. it is completely out of character for him but he did and, you know, that's why we listened to the opinions. we can't predict them all all the time. >> jeffrey is never going to get over that. >> but, gloria, as far as the criticism from the right, for example, and newt gingrich and others say the court is becoming too politically active -- >> unless it for the voting rights act. i think when you lose you say the court is activist. so newt gingrich says it's an activist, it's an activist court, saying on same-sex marriage. but when the court says, okay, we're going to overturn part of the voting rights act they very
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often rule 5-4 but you're not always going to get the kind of consistency that you might expect because while people may be ideological, they may interpret the law within those confines differently. so one of the great things about the supreme court is you can't predict it. >> the next three and a half years, president obama, michael, he'll have a chance if there is another retirement, shall we say, to deal with something that will go on for 20, 30, maybe 40 years by naming a new justice. >> wolf, you're exactly right. i always feel that one of the more underdiscussed elements of presidential campaigns is the effect on the courts. it's more of a long-term secondary thing. it's not one of the things that comes up in debates as often as some other pressing issues, we're seeing how this composition of the court has this fundamental effect on the country. so it means that the court will go in a very different direction than if we had a president
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romney. this politicalization really to me dates back to the bush v. gore decision in 2000, which put it in a whole new category of the peception in the country of partisanship, of ideology. i think the public around the supreme court was changed -- that was a real inflexion point that we still see reverbations to this day. >> what i do see in terms of public opinion in the court is the fact that the court is taking the kind of cases that the publicin wants them to decide, for example, issues like same-sex marriage, that are on the public's mind, show a changing society and the court is saying we're going to have a conversation about things that are important in the country. it's interesting to me because i do think they pay attention -- >> the other thing, jeffrey, it was sort of predictable, the vote among the nine justices in terms of doing away with the defensive marriage act. but you had an odd couple
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coalition, if will you, on dealing with proposition eight in california. you had very liberal justices? well, i -- not to deal with proposition 8. that's what they didn't do. they did not address whether every state in the union starting with california has to have same-sex marriage. that was the issue potentially in prop significant 8. they split on a proiior issue. in the doma case, justice kennedy hinted that there was a constitutional right to get married for gay people in every state in the union, and you can be sure cases making that claim are starting to -- and abortion and campaign finance and all
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those big issues will be back in force next year. >> they got three months, the justices, to take a little vacation. they'll be back in october. you want to make one correction, right, jeffrey? >> yes, indeed. we were talking about the tsarnaev case earlier and i said that the indictment said that the older brother, tamerlan, is accused of setting off both bombs. in fact, the indictment says that each brother set off one bomb, not to the older brother doing two. >> and if you read that indictment, as you and i have, it makes it clear this the younger brother was not brainwashed dupe. he was deeply involved in in making sure the weapons were there to kill, slaughter people. >> it's a very chilling document. you should read it. >> people should go ahead and read it. it's online, >> and how far will the
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president obama today is down playing efforts to take the nsa leaker edward snowden into custody on felony charges, even as the case strains some foreign relations. our correspondent is following the latest from the state department. >> reporter: nsa leaker edward snowden is cooling his heels for another day at moscow's airport. but is that the plan or is he stuck? obama administration officials are lobbying hard for countries around the world to stop him and send him back, but president barack obama says he's not going to do any wheeling and dealing and trading on other issues in order to get snowden extradited. >> no rk, i'm not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker. >> reporter: but the state department is warning ecuador
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not to granted? asylum. >> that would have grave difficulties for our bilateral relationship. >> reporter: the u.s. is ecuador's largest trade partner, 40% of their global commercial. some in congress are threatening to delay or end trade preferences. >> it would probably cost the ecuadoreans over 40,000 jobs and a very significant market share in areas that they export here, you know, and various products that they produce and that they export to the united states. >> reporter: ecuadorean officials say they're not accepting any threats or pressure from anyone, but they're also denying reports they gave snowden a safe passage document after the u.s. took his passport. >> translator: we have never authorized the document to mr.ed? so that he can come to ecuador.
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>> reporter: while the world waits, the nsa chief is still concerned about what snowden may do next. >> i worry that there will be more leaks. >> reporter: meanwhile, a rare glimpse of what snowden thought about people like him in 2009. in a chat line he wrote "these people should be shot in the genitals. are they trying to start a war? he does say there are pretty significant difficulties at the nas and they have to be solved. >> let's get a little bit more with fareed zakaria.
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what did you make about the president's comments that he's not about to scramble fighter jets to bring him back to the united states? >> i think the president is playing a delicate game. on one hand it's serious, lives may be in jeopardy, it's seriously illegal. on the other hand, he doesn't want to overplay it because he can't deliver it right now. he's he's in this weird no man's land, the ecuadoreans claiming they didn't give him travel documents. how the heck did he get on the plane? the president is trying to downplaying the urgency of doing something because frankly there isn't likely to be in i progress here. but you can tell they're concerned and they're mostly concerned about what the director of the nsa said, the next set of leaks. >> can we assume some intelligence officials clearly do whatever he has, the chinese and the russians managed to get
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their hands on it already? >> people have said that. i think it really depends when the chinese figured it out and whether his computer was live in the sense of being connected either threw weify or cable. if your computer is not connected, it's sealed off, it's much more difficult. we don't have any evidence that the chinese has gotten what he has yet. >> that would be a development if the chance has everything already, the u.s. could say he's a bad guy, we want him back. but they don't have to necessarily worry that others are -- that that information is still at large, if you will. >> it not clear that they need to protect him and the data though it will probably reveal a lot of sources and message. at the end of the day, whatever they cache is unlookly to
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rereally blueprints for the united states arsenal. it's likely to reveal this is how the u.s. attacks through the routers and through the servers, this is what we, the chinese or the russians, can do to protect ourselves. that's actually very crucial information. >> i'm sure we'll have a lot more coming up on this on sunday morning. fareed zakaria, must watch tv every sunday morning. thank you very much. >> thank you, wolf. >> and coming up, chris christie has to decide whether a bill to ban conversion tactics for minors will become law. goals. a quick glance, and you can see if you're on track. when the conversation turns to knowing where you stand, turn to us. wells fargo advisors. it's lots of things. all waking up.
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a few hours ago in new jersey, senate passed a bill that would ban what's called conversion therapy for miners, which proponents claim can turn gay people straight. so, here's the question, will the governor, chris christie, sign it into law? cnn's poppy harlow takes a closer look. >> reporter: do you think that you were born gay? >> i don't know. i do think that who you are is who you are. >> reporter: at 25, matthew shirka says he finally feels like himself, but it's been a painful road. he questioned his sexuality at 16, so his parents put him in conversion therapy, therapy they were told could make him straight. >> i said to myself, you know, if i can really have the same feelings for a woman that i have for a man, then why not. >> reporter: he saw four therapists in five years and wrote about it in his journal. >> i come up to the point where i'm really beginning to change. >> reporter: but he didn't change. his feelings for men remained,
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despite these methods he was taught. >> how to avoid thoughts of same-sex attraction, if you have any urges, dismiss it right away from my mind, whether it's through masturbation techniques or distraction techniques. >> reporter: he says he was left feeling like a failure. >> and it put me in this place of being uncomfortable with who i am. every morning go to school and say i'm not going to be me today, that then destroys other areas of my life, like academics, family, friends. >> reporter: the therapy is highly controversial and is opposed by major medical groups, including the american medical association and the american psychiatric association, which says there is no scientific evidence it works. the world health organization says it represents a serious threat to the health and wellbeing of affected people. >> the theories upon which these practices are based have no scientific basis, and they may also cause harm. >> reporter: but new jersey counselor tara king insists it can work.
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she says she was a lesbian, but therapy and prayer turned her straight. >> i didn't leave homosexuality because i was unhappy. i left because it was a contradiction to my faith. >> reporter: she says she's used conversion therapy on patients and a ban that would make it illegal for minors muzzles her. >> it prevents them from getting the help they desire. >> reporter: if a parent comes in and says my daughter says she's gay, we want you to change that, what do you do? >> if the child doesn't want to change their sexual orientation, i honor and respect what the client wants, because ultimately, the child is my client, not the parent. >> reporter: now, this won't restrict religious institution or others that are not licensed therapists from talking to youth about this. >> right, but they're not trained professionals, they're not licensed, they're not under a board of ethics that they must follow. that's the concern. >> reporter: king and others say to ban this infringes on their rights. >> talk therapy is talk therapy.
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there's no danger in talking. >> reporter: but here's the key question, will governor christi sign the bill? he doesn't believe in conversion therapy but is wary of government overreach. matthew shurka hopes he does. >> it gives an opportunity for parents to question it again. what is really best for my child? and is this really appropriate for them? >> reporter: now, wolf, governor christie's office just sent me this statement, and it reads in full, "governor christi does not believe in conversion therapy and believes sexual preferences are determined at birth. the governor's office will take a close look at the final bill and its details." what's going to be very interesting here to see is if he is following his beliefs or if he is following his thought that the government shouldn't tell parents how to raise their children. and when you look nationwide, california passed a similar ban last year, but it was challenged by a group that advocates for conversion therapy. they argued that banning this
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violates first amendment rights of therapists. so, right now in california, that law is on hold pending a decision by california's 9th circuit court of appeals. elsewhere, there have been similar bans proposed here in new york and in massachusetts but not voted on yet. wolf? >> see if this ever winds up before the united states supreme court. >> reporter: yeah, i was thinking the same thing. >> some day down the road. thanks very much. good report, poppy. appreciate it. just ahead at the top of the hour, trayvon martin's friend on the stand for a second day in the zimmerman murder trial. was she the star witness the prosecution hoped she'd be? uh-oguess what day it is!is?? huh...anybody? julie! hey...guess what day it is?? ah come on, i know you can hear me. mike mike mike mike mike... what day is it mike? ha ha ha ha ha ha! leslie, guess what today is? it's hump day. whoot whoot! ronny, how happy are folks who save hundreds of dollars switching to geico?
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the world. you're in "the situation room." -- captions by vitac -- she is one of the most important witnesses in the prosecution's murder case against george zimmerman, and she spent a second gripping day on the stand in florida testifying about her phone conversation with trayvon martin only moments before he was shot dead. rachel jeantel told jurors the encounter between zimmerman and martin was racially charged aand that zimmerman was the aggressor, but zimmerman's lawyer chipped away at her credibility and portrayed martin as the one who started the fight. >> so, the last thing you heard was some kind of noise like something hitting somebody. >> trayvon hit -- trayvon got hit. >> you don't know that, do you? >> no, sir. >> you don't know that trayvon got hit. >> he could -- he had --
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>> you didn't know that trayvon at that moment didn't take his fist and drive it into george zimmerm zimmerman's face. >> please lower your voice. >> do you? >> no, sir. >> today's exchanges were at times testy, emotional but fascinating to watch. brian todd has been following jeantel's testimony. brian, how did she do? >> well, wolf, yesterday and today, many experts have said that on the surface, she did not come across well, that she was too hostile, too inconsistent. but one analyst we spoke with who has prepared hundreds of witnesses points out, the women in the jurors' box may see rachel jeantel's testimony differently. she's a star prosecution witness, the last person to speak to trayvon martin before his fatal confrontation with george zimmerman, but at 19, not an easy witness to prepare. and rachel jeantel's cross examination was contentious from the start. >> what exactly did you say there? will you just tell us exactly
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what that says? >> could hear trayvon. >> that's your testimony? >> yes, sir. >> that account, whether she heard martin or another person screaming for help that night, was one of a few inconsistencies the defense called jeantel out on. criminal defense attorney jeffrey jacobovits has prepared hundreds of witnesses. if she was your witness, how would you have coached her before this to come across and to speak? >> what i would have done is carefully go over the facts with her from her deposition and try to have her explain any inconsistencies and give legitimate reasons why they're inconsistent. and then i would try to soften her demeanor. >> reporter: did the prosecution make mistakes with this witness? >> well, it's hard to say because we don't know what the prosecution said to her and what she took. she is a 19-year-old fairly hostile witness. >> reporter: jacobovitz says he would have counseled her from scolding. >> if the officer wants to talk to me, know the exact story,
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everything about what happened that night, they could reach me at that number. you got it, that's retarded, sir. >> excuse me? >> that's retarded to do that, sir. >> reporter: but as we dissected her testimony, jacobovitz said her body language may not backfire. >> when you did not want to interview me that friday? >> are you finished? [ inaudible ] i'm sorry? >> yeah. >> how much more time do you think that you need to finish your cross? >> well, i certainly wouldn't -- i don't know for sure. i should think we should plan on at least a couple of hours. >> what? >> how's the body language coming across? >> well, the body language is terrible, but you know, jurors may look at that saying, look, she's young, she doesn't want to be involved. her close friend was killed and she thinks the defendant is guilty. and so, she has body language
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because she feels it's justifiable. >> reporter: and when we looked at a crucial point from defense attorney don west, jacobovitz offered some coaching to her. >> that's why you weren't worried, that's why you didn't do anything, it's because trayvon martin started the fight and you knew that. >> objection. >> you see badgering? >> how does that play with the jury? >> he's certainly badgering. not only is he asking a compound question, but an objectionable question because he's conveying the message to the jury by the question. >> reporter: jacobovitz says if he was cross examining rachel jeantel, he would be very careful not to come across as badgering a young woman on the stand when you have six women in the jurors' box, wolf. >> how are those six women going to react to what they heard? >> he says her testimony may split the jury. some may think her mannerisms and hostility don't even matter, that she effectively portrayed george zimmerman as the aggressor. he says, though, that other jurors may think that with her
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inconsistencies and with her manner, that if this is the government's best witness, that they didn't make their case with rachel jeantel. he thinks this may be a hung jury, wolf, and if it's a hung jury, he thinks rachel jeantel may be the key to that hung jury. >> all right, well, that's pretty significant testimony yesterday and today. >> absolutely. >> we'll see what happens in the next couple weeks. thank you very much. >> sure. >> the george zimmerman case has been racially charged from the start and the testimony has reflected that. listen to the defense question rachel jeantel about a term trayvon martin used to describe george zimmerman. >> do people that you live around and with call white people creepy ass crackers? >> not creepy, but cracker, yeah. >> let's talk a little bit more about that kind of language and its impact. don lemon is here. he's working this part of the story. what do you see here, don?
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>> wolf, it's very interesting. and before i even get started, i want to warn our viewers and to the adults at home that you're about to hear language that many people may find offensive. and if you have children in the room, you may want to get the children out of it. but wolf, in order to do a story about language and whether or not it's offensive, we had to not bleep the words that we're going to talk about. before we went out on the streets, we had some of the words that were used. this word, cracker, also the word honky and some other words that i won't say on camera, but you'll hear in this story. to find out about whether paula deen, whether it's okay for paula deen to use those words or whether it's okay for trayvon martin to use it when he's referencing george zimmerman. here's what we found out. take a listen. this classic "saturday night live" sketch ran unbleeped in 1975. >> jungle bunny. >> pecker wood! >> bird head. >> cracker!
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>> reporter: but it probably wouldn't run today. why? have we lost our sense of humor? >> what was so profound about that sketch wasn't just that they got away with using, let's say the "n" word and a lot of other racial slurs, but what that sketch really demonstrated was that certain slurs, there are simply no trump cards for, and the "n" word is one of them. >> reporter: all over words, paula deen is losing her tv job and millions in endorsement money. >> inappropriate, hurtful language is totally, totally unacceptable. >> reporter: and the prosecution in the george zimmerman murder trial could lose credibility, all because of the words a witness says martin used to describe the man who shot him. >> creepy ass cracker? >> yes. >> so, it was racial, but it was because trayvon martin put race in this. >> no. >> you don't think that's a racial comment? >> no. >> you don't think that "creepy
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ass cracker" is a racial comment? >> no. >> reporter: is there really a difference between witness rachel jeantel and paula deen's racism denials? >> the difference is a difference of about 47 years, you know? >> reporter: antiracism activist tim wise. >> i think to expect a 19-year-old to know the history of a term like cracker, as opposed to a 66-year-old knowing the history of the "n" word is just a ridiculous comparison, obviously. >> reporter: and did martin bring race into it by using the term? >> the problem with that argument is that, first of all, it's comparing, you know, to be on point with this case, it's like comparing skittles and a handgun. they simply don't have the same power. >> reporter: is he right? we took the words to the people on the street. >> they're both derogatory and they're both racist, but it's just not -- the feeling i get inside from when i hear that word and when i hear that word is just different. it's a psychological thing. >> if someone were to call me a honky or a cracker, i don't
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think it would offend me as much as this word offends other people. from my experience. >> reporter: and if you hear other people saying this word or this word as opposed to that word, this still offends you more? >> yes. >> reporter: even if it's a black person calling a white person those words? >> yes. >> reporter: someone saying the "n" word -- >> i'm being completely honest, yes. >> reporter: honesty just might be the answer, according to columbia university professor marc lamont hill, who says we shouldn't be sensoring this "snl" clip. >> honky honky! >> nigger. >> dead honky. >> i think we hurt ourselves as a community, as a country, as a group of people really trying to improve the racial circumstances in this nation by running from these words, by sensoring these words and by simply throwing people away as soon as they use them. >> reporter: so, it is interesting, because most of the people i spoke to, the experts and the people on the street, say we shouldn't be looking at
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black-and-white issues and race issues so literally. black is not the opposite of white. what might offend someone of one race may not offend a person of another race. but i have to tell you, as i show this word and this word almost to a person did not have the same impact, wolf, as this word. most everyone was offended by this word, and it holds more weight. it's probably the most offensive word in the english language. >> yeah, i think they're right, absolutely. don, terrific report. thanks very much. let's continue this conversation right now with criminal defense attorney mark necessary jane and cnn contributor charles lowe. charles, how much is race hovering over this george zimmerman trial? >> i think it's a significant part of this trial because people are still trying to understand what was it about trayvon martin that triggered some sort of response in george
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zimmerman to find him suspicious in the first place? what is it that makes him get out of the car, to follow with the gun? those questions are central to understanding how the encounter happens in the first place, and that encounter is what is at the heart of this case. you know, the big facts are not ever going to change, you know. george zimmerman gets out of a car and follows trayvon at some point during that evening. and they encounter each other and trayvon ends up with a hole in his chest and he dies. those facts won't change. what does -- what this whole trial hinges on is what is it, what triggers a threat response in george zimmerman that says this particular person is a threat to me or to my community and i have to do something about that? >> all right, mark, do you agree? >> partially. i think that race has been in
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this case from the very minute it started, and it's continued to weave its way through the trial. you know, the state has been very effective through the back door of getting in their issue of race. they've got in the five prior calls that zimmerman made. four of those are about african-american males who he was watching. so, we know that the state is very aware of it, but they can't specifically use that. we also know it came out in cross examination today where the witness number eight, you know, she's come in now and identified herself, but she said that she believed when talking to trayvon that trayvon believed it was a racist encounter. that was her testimony today. and so, we know that according to what she said, she couldn't give any instances, though, where, in fact, george zimmerman had said anything in that regard. so, we know that it's weaving its ugly head throughout this case, but nobody's been able to get their arms around it. so, we know that race from the very beginning until now has been there. and i said from the beginning in this case, i even penned an
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article for, said it's all about race. and for us to deny that i think doesn't get us a step further than where we were yesterday. >> do you think, charles, there's a real consensus in the african-american community about this case? >> well, i do believe that people understand the idea of racial profiling and that they believe in this case that something about trayvon triggered that response in george zimmerman, and they believe that that has something to do with racial profiling. because you know, it's really hard to understand apart from that, because you know, there's a kid who's walking on a phone with a sweatshirt on. none of that should make anyone suspicious in any way. so, what is it? because it's very hard to understand. why does a kid walking home make someone uneasy? it would have been different if george zimmerman was describing trayvon as peering through
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windows. it would have been different if he were looking suspicious in some other sort of way, other than what he describes on the 911 call. but none of what is described on the 911 call rises to the level of suspicion. so, you are left with some basic facts, and it would be, you can't deny basic american history and present politics when it comes to policing about how people are kind of stereotyped. and so, i think that people read into that into this case. >> charles blow, thanks very much. mark nejane, thanks as well, a sensitive but critically important issue. president obama takes a verbal slap at the united states supreme court from thousands of miles away. we'll tell you what he said. and a new indictment against the boston bombing suspect dzhokhar tsarnaev, including some chilling, new details about planning for the attack. meet the newest member of the quicken loans family:
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questions about president obama's problems here at home are following him all the way to africa. our chief white house correspondent, jessica yellin, was traveling with the president. she's in dakar, senegal, right now. what happened today, jessica? >> reporter: hi, wolf. on the first stop of president obama's week-long trip to africa, he came to the democratic country of senegal, and here, the president took time out for symbolic and literal reflections on freedom and equality. in senel, president obama visiting the door of no return, the last exit for slaves headed to the americans. he called it a powerful experience. >> for an african-american, african-american president, to be able to visit this site i think gives me even greater motivation in terms of the defense of human rights around the world. >> reporter: one acknowledgement of the struggle for equality
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that he believes continues to this day. on that front, the president saw a setback this week with the supreme court's ruling striking down a key part of the voting rights act. >> i think that the supreme court made a mistake in its rule. >> reporter: he also saw progress in the supreme court's rulings on gay marriage. he called them -- >> not simply a victory for the lgbt community, i think it was a victory for american democracy. >> reporter: for gay couples, he acknowledged, there are complications. 37 states don't recognize gay marriage. asked at a press conference in africa -- will you direct the government to make sure that federal benefits are extended, like social security, to all couples, no matter where they live? he said the lawyers are working the issue, but he believes -- >> if you've been married in massachusetts and you move someplace else, you're still
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married, and under federal law, you should be able to obtain the benefits of any lawfully married couple. >> reporter: it would be a seat change in the nation. president obama took a moment to honor his first political hero and a crusader for human rights, nelson mandela. >> i understood that this was somebody who believed in that basic principle i just talked about, treating people equally, and was willing to sacrifice his life for that belief. >> reporter: a message that will likely resonate throughout his first extended tour of africa as president. well, i also asked president obama his views of senegal's law which criminalizes homosexuality. he says while he respects the cultural differences between the u.s. and africa, he believes all countries, including those here in africa, should treat gays and lesbians equally under the law, but senegal's president standing
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right next to president obama said this country is not ready. wolf? >> jessica yellin in senegal for us. the next stop, south africa. we'll check back with you tomorrow. thanks very much. the new england ex-patriot, aaron hernandez, was back in court this afternoon. he's now facing a first-degree murder charge. coming up, why he could be connected to even more killings. plus, how his and other cases are raising new questions about pro football. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare? that's a good thing, but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they pick up some of what medicare doesn't pay. and save you up to thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket costs. call today to request a free decision guide
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there is new reporting also about a possible motive in the murder case against him. the nfl has some image problems right now that go beyond one criminal case. 29 players have been arrested since the super bowl. and paula deen tries to rally her fan base, even as her image and financial empire keep crumbling. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." the murder charge against former nfl player aaron hernandez may be just the beginning of his legal troubles. a law enforcement source says he's now being investigated in connection with a double homicide in boston last year. hernandez was back in court today on the current charges in the shooting death of his friend. the judge denied a new request for bail. >> the idea that i could release him on a bracelet and he would comply with court rules is not something that i am willing to accept. given all of the circumstances
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in this case, despite the fact that he has a fiancee and a baby and is a homeowner, he also has means to flee and a bracelet just wouldn't keep him here. no at $250,000. i am going to deny the defense petition. >> we are joined by the "boston globe" crime reporter maria kramer. maria, thanks for coming in. you've been doing some excellent reporting on this. what are you hearing about a possible connection between the current alleged murder by hernandez and the 2012 double murder? what is the possible connection here and motive, if you will? >> what we're hearing is that there is a possibility that aaron hernandez was connected to a double homicide july 2012 in which two men, cape verdan immigrants were shot to death on a south end street when they were returning from a nightclub. at the time, there was very little information. it seemed to be a whodunit, as a
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matter of fact, but now we're learning these two men might have been involved in a fight with a group that also included aaron hernandez. and they are now looking at the possibility that aaron hernandez was -- that the motive for odin lloyd's killing may also be connected to this double homicide. odin lloyd may have had information about aaron hernandez's role in this double homicide. >> well, is there any hard evidence that's been released yet that would link aaron hernandez to that double murder a year or so ago? >> at this point, authorities have not released any hard evidence. we're getting our information from sources. officially, police will only say that it's too premature to look at any suspects, but they do say, to identify any suspects, but they do say that this case, once cold, is now robust and much more active, if that's any indication. this information, this development in the case began about a week ago. what we did learn from our sources as well is that they began to look at aaron hernandez last week in connection with
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this double homicide. investigators knew that aaron hernandez was at the club where these two men were last year before they were killed, but at the time, they didn't think anything of it. it was only when his name began to surface in connection with the odin lloyd killing that they began to put two and two together. >> maria cramer of "boston globe," thank you very much. >> thank you. >> the nfl was quick to cut ties with aaron hernandez, but his arrest is by no means an isolated incident, and it raises some questions about the league's image. cnn's jason carroll is taking a closer look at this part of the story. jason? >> well, wolf, the nfl has addressed the problem of its players getting in trouble in the past, and even though we've seen a number of arrests lately, it does not seem to have tarnished the brand, at least not in the eyes of the fans. >> that surveillance was then destroyed. >> reporter: aaron hernandez's arrest on murder charges is the latest brush with the law
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associated with nfl players. this picture may look like a team's roster, but it actually shows 29 players arrested for various crimes, ranging from dui to misdemeanor assault, just since february's super bowl, according to the nfl. >> we don't know if there are convictions in any of these arrests. and secondly, it's still a relatively small percent of all nfl players. >> reporter: the percentage may be small, but the arrests attract a spotlight. like when police charged rookie lineback linebacker allsayre walcott for murder for beating a man outside of a new jersey club this week. although they didn't plead guilty, both had previous encounters with the law. >> the league find themselves in a situation like this, not the least of which is at the team level, team player personnel executives looking past a player's very public history, especially in the case of aaron hernandez, for the sake of what they can do for the team on the
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field. >> okay, so, we'll open it up for questions? >> reporter: nfl commissioner roger goodell toughened the league's conduct policy six years ago, making it easier to sanction players for infractions. goodell declined our request for an interview, but an nfl spokesman told cnn "the average arrest rate per year of nfl players is consistently lower than the general population." >> you know, a few players could make the whole league look a certain way. >> reporter: like the vast majority of nfl players, cleveland browns safety t.j. ward says he has not been in trouble but understands how just one arst can tarnish the brand. >> or a couple issues can make the whole league look a certain way. it's all about perception, especially in our society. it's all about what people perceive, not exactly what's true. >> reporter: if truth lies in numbers, consider this. neilsen ratings for the past nfl regular season were the highest in a decade. despite everything, fans keep watching. >> i sort of made the decision a
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long time ago to respect athletes for their performance on the field more so than for their behavior off the field. >> i love football, so i'll probably be following, but we'll see. >> well, it should be noted, wolf, that the league does have a program where speakers talk to rookies about the importance of staying out of trouble. in fact, this week in ohio, at a symposium, former nfl player terry "tank" johnson, who encountered problems of his own when he owned guns, spoke to rookies and recommended how they can in turn stay out of trouble. but again, it seems so far, fans just seem to be able to separate trouble with players on the field and the nfl brand. wolf? >> good point, jason. thanks very much. up next, we're going to talk a little bit more about the nfl's problems. we're going to hear from a basketball star as well as improving the image of pro sports by giving back. our own rachel nichols is standing by live. stand by for that. also, more financial fallout
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liberty mutual insurance -- responsibility. what's your policy? the murder charge against aaron hernandez, formerly of the new england patriots, has certainly put a new stain on the image of the nfl and professional sports, for that matter. bring in rachel nichols of cnn sports to talk a little bit about it. what do you make all this? because it's sort of unfair to paint a really wide path, if you will, because there are just a limited number of so-called bad guys. >> yeah, and let's not forget, nobody is watching the nfl to see who are better citizens, the patriots or the jets. i mean, they're watching these guys beat on each other and they want to know who's better at being violent. so, it's not a surprise that tv ratings aren't down, and it's not a surprise that people feel, hey, this is not that pervasive a problem. we've seen the commissioner of the nfl take steps to toughen up suspensions, but when you do look at the numbers, there's 1,700 players in the nfl. we talked about the 29 players
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that have been arrested since the super bowl? that's less than 2%. the fbi says that in the general american population, it's about a 4.5% arrest rate. so, in a way, you could argue these guys are model citizens. it just really doesn't feel like that. >> yeah, i totally agree. kevin durant, an nba star, oklahoma city. you had a chance to sit down with him. like you, he's from here in the washington, d.c., area, and he's doing something very amazing and very positive. tell our viewers. >> absolutely. it's so interesting, when the tornadoes hit in oklahoma city, kevin durant, who is only 24 years old, made headlines by plunking down a $1 million donation for relief to the victims. and today he announced that nike is going to donate another $1 million in profits from his line of sneakers. so, listen to him describe just the devastation he saw and why he was moved to act. >> i couldn't believe that was, you know, that's the state i live in. that's 20 minutes away from my house. i couldn't believe it was that close. no foundations is, you know,
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debris everywhere. i seen a tractor-trailer, somebody's living room, just roofs gone off houses and, you know, there was just nothing there, you know? you could see that's where a house was supposed to be. and you know, you seen wood on the ground, you see debris, but there's nothing there, and you can say you have to start from scratch, so that was an unfortunate situation. >> reporter: you're 24 years old. how did experiencing something like that change you just as a person? >> put everything in perspective for me. your life is bigger than a game of basketball. you know, a lot of people that are professional really know that and people in moore lost everything, lost everything, and some stuff you really can't get back. lets you just know appreciate all you have because you never know when you'll not have it. >> impressive how he's going out of his way for everyone in oklahoma city. and it's been a busy summer already for k.d. not only is he working towards the disaster relief, he just
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signed up to be jay-z's first basketball client. wolf, on top of all the other things that jay-z does, he's being a sports agent now, so kevin durant is going to be the face of his basketball arm. and you could be his anchor client. you could be jay-z anchors r us. what do you think? >> i've got a good agent. you've got a good agent, too. >> are you a jay-z kind of guy? >> i like jay-z. i like kevin durant. i like the washington wizards, too. big night tonight. >> absolutely. nba draft. >> you got a prediction? >> you never know. >> big draft night. we'll see what happens tonight. wizards have the number three pick. you like the wizards, too, right? >> i grew up in this area, so i'm rooting for good things for that franchise to turn around. >> my good friend, ernie grunfeld, got somebody good for the wizards this year. thanks, rachel, and thanks to kevin durant. more of him, obviously, less aaron hernandez, more kevin durant. >> yes. >> that would be good for sports in general. >> absolutely. >> appreciate it. still ahead, governor rick perry in a new texas showdown over abortion. stand by for new information and details. also, we have chilling
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later at the campus. and part of this that you find out from the indictment is based on what essentially authorities are saying was a confession left inside that boat where they captured him, notes that he scrolled on the inside of the boat that said things like the u.s. government is killing our innocent civilians, talking about the muslim community, as he described it, as he calls himself a self-described spokesman for. "i can't stand to see such evil unpunished" and "we are muslims one body, you hurt one, you hurt us all." now he might be fighting for his own life. listen to what officials said as they unveiled the indictment. >> as a result of the charges that have been filed today, the defendant faces up to life and possibly death if convicted. >> really extraordinary revelations in this, including, you know, a lot of people thought that the older brother was sort of leading the charge
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on everything. but you read through this indictment, there is a real indication that dzhokhar was playing a very active roll, downloading, for example, a copy of "the slicing sword" from anwar al awlaki. it had a forward in this screed against the rest of the world, basically, from this radical group. beyond that, there was also the directions that he downloaded on how to build pressure cooker bombs, how to pack them full of nails and ball bearings, as they did to make them even more lethal. and to speak even more to this idea that he played an active role, what authorities say is that he's the one who made the phone call to his older brother along the race route right before the bombs went off just a minute later, that he's the one that seemed to in some way be leading the charge at that moment. it really is, as you say, wolf, chilling the details available in this indictment. >> i kept reading that indictment, tom, and i noticed all the stuff that he downloaded from those jihadi websites of
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anwar al awlaki, and i said to myself, if the nsa was monitoring all those kinds of internet communications, they clearly didn't monitor those communications. you download how to build a bomb, you download all that other stuff, but obviously, i guess people weren't paying attention. >> a lot of material. >> nsa. >> a lot of material, no question about that. >> all right, tom. thank you for that report. more companies, meanwhile are dumping their association with celebrity chef paula deen, but coming up, there are new details about how she is now fighting back. also coming up, texas governor rick perry, he takes on the lawmaker whose filibuster stopped, at least for now, new restrictions on abortions in texas. [ female announcer ] love.
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the texas governor rick perry is not giving up on passing new abortion restrictions in the state. he's blasting what he calls, quote, mob tactics and hijacking of the democratic process that derailed those restrictions when the senate congresswoman wendy davis conducted a filibuster that went viral. it's getting a little ugly out there. >> the texas showdown. wendy davis is a here ohio now to abortion rights supporters around the country for the stand she took a couple nights ago but she just got some brushback from governor of texas rick perry. this would have banned abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. davis, a democratic state senator, filibustered on tuesday night into wednesday morning standing in the state
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legislature, speaking for more than 11 hours straight to prevent a vote on that measure. by 3:00 a.m. wednesday, the lieutenant governor declared the bill dead. word got around fast. davis said they had to lock the doors when the chamber got to capacity but then a huge crowd was outside the building. davis said she drew energy from all of that. but today at a right to life convention, governor perry took a shot at wendy davis. he said, by doing all of this, she was ignoring her own past. >> who are we to say that children born into the worst of circumstances is can't grow to live successful lives. in fact, even the woman who filibustered the senate yesterday was born into difficult circumstances. she was a daughter of a single woman. she was a teenage mother herself. she managed to eventually graduate from harvard law school and serve in the texas senate.
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it's just unfortunate that she hasn't learned from her own example. that every life must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters. >> this afternoon in response to that, the statement from wendy davis. quote, rick perry's statement is without dignity and tarnishes the high office he holds. they are small words that reflect a dark and negative point of view. our governor should reflect our texas values. sadly, governor perry fails that test. wolf, very strong words between the two of them. rick perry getting very personal today. >> yeah, but he's not backing away from this. >> he's vowing to get the legislation passed. he's vowing to call a special session starting this monday. maybe there's a chance that wendy davis may try to do something like this again. could be another showdown. >> thanks very much. paula deen took to twitter
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to thank her fans even as more companies ended their business relationships with her. she's taken a huge hit because of a former employee's lawsuit accusing her of racism. elena reports. >> reporter: despite her repeated apologies. >> i hope that you forgive me. >> reporter: and her explanation on national television -- >> are you a racist? >> no, i am not. >> by birth, by osmosis, you don't feel like you have racist tendencies? >> reporter: the number of companies that are ending their ties with paula deen are continuing. >> she's making the issue worse every time she opens up her mouth. >> reporter: on thursday, target said it would discontinue deen's products. home depot stopped selling her kitchen and cookware line and novo nordisk called it quits in
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recent days. >> your big sponsors, big corporations are going to stay away from her. >> forbes ranked deen the fourth highest paid celebrity chef last year, estimating her endorsement earnings at $17 million. it's not all bad news for deen. her new cookbook set for release later this year is topping amazon's bestseller's list and her fans have flocked to her facebook page to show their support. there is even a we support paula deen page. several african-american communities have come out in her support. >> hey, it was a mistake that she made. >> she can't have a heart against black people with all that she's done. >> actor tracy dash showed her support in a tweet saying, in part, god does everything for a reason, paula deen. only god can judge your heart. >> qvc posted a statement saying
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could be your last stop. >> reporter: we like our drive-through fries and lattes. will we rest in peace at a drive-through funeral? >> we offer the families something different. so they have options. >> reporter: the options of having a deceased in a casket viewed by mourners driving by as one online poster put it, for when you don't care enough to get out of the car. but carl doesn't see it that way. >> it's designed for people who have disabilities or due to inclement weather. >> reporter: when he renovated his funeral home, he added big windows low to the ground and now if you pay for a traditional funeral, he'll throw in the drive-by option. >> you'd let me have a viewing during the day and then at night i'd be laid out for the
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drive-through? >> it's at no additional cost. >> reporter: the last time we heard the words funeral and drive-through together is when a funeral pro-session went through a burger king drive to honor a deceased. a pennsylvania man who loved fast food so much that his family paid tribute by stopping off for whopper juniors on the way to the cemetery. >> now, this is different. >> reporter: even the deceased got a burger, which was placed on his casket and buried with him. and lest we bury our lead, no one has opted for the drive-through visitation. this isn't the first funeral home to offer drive-through services. the most famous one has ran for 40 years in southern california. the adams funeral home in california is what inspired carl. >> look how she's dressed. >> reporter: the funeral home says it's especially convenient when the deceased is well known and there are lots of mourners.
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one little additive tip, when someone is laid out at a drive-through funeral, lay off the horn. whether it's fast food or a last look, jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, president obama's double talk, just how concerned is he about the nsa leaker? plus, the latest from the paula deen scandal. we're going to tell you exactly how much money the controversy is costing her. talk about adding up. and more contentious testimony at the george zimmerman trial today. we go indepth tonight out front, what the prosecution's star witness said. let's go "outfront." depth toni front, what the prosecution's star witness said. let's go "outfront." good evening, everyone. i'm erin