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heard thus far today. you're seeing this gentleman just taking the stand. he is a sanford police officer by the name of ricardo ayala, the fourth person to take the stand. the state will be questioning him, then he will be cross-examined by the defense. let's listen. >> right there -- >> all right. for the record, that's in the approximate area of the t. what was the lighting like back there? >> very dim. very -- almost dark. >> were you using a flashlight to find your way between the townhomes? >> yes, sir. >> what were the weather conditions like when you arrived? >> mostly it had been raining on and off. >> what was officer smith doing when you first arrived? >> he had a white male at gunpoint. >> did you later learn the white male's name to be zimmermgeorge zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> do you see that person this
afternoon? >> yes, sir. >> judge, if you can raise -- is george zimmerman the person who stood up? >> yes, sir. >> let the record reflect he's identified the defendant. >> the record will so reflect. >> did you have interaction with the witness? >> no, sir. >> why not? >> i was focused on the male that was on the ground. >> and the male that was on the ground, did you later learn the person's name to be trayvon martin? >> that's correct. >> did you go over to trayvon martin's location? >> i walked toward, yes. >> and how was trayvon martin's body positioned when you arrived? >> facedown, his hands were underneath the body. >> and to your knowledge, were you the first officer to approach trayvon martin? >> yes. >> all right. did you know whether or not he was dead or alive at that point? >> i did not. >> did you know what his involvement was at that point? >> i did not. >> did you give him any commands, trayvon martin? >> yes, i did. >> what command did you give him? >> i asked to see his hands.
>> where were his hands when you asked to see them? >> undermanaged in him. >> he -- underneath him. >> he was lying on his stomach? >> correct. >> dr. trayvon martin respond physically in any way to your commands? >> no, he did not. >> did trayvon martin respond verbally in any way to your commands? >> no, he did not. >> did you see any movement from trayvon martin's body? >> i did not. >> did you hear any sounds from trayvon martin's body? >> i did not. >> did other sanford police department officers approach you and trayvon martin while you were giving him those commands or shortly thereafter? >> sergeante ramondo. >> did you or sergeant raimondo attempt to get a pulse from trayvon martin? >> sergeant raimondo did. >> was sergeant raimondo able to get a pulse? >> no, sir. >> did you and/or sergeant
raimondo move trayvon martin's body after he failed to get a pulse? >> yes, i believe it was a joint. >> i'm sorry? >> i believe we moved him, yes. >> okay. how did you move him? >> we turned him right-side up. >> so you moved him from his stomach to his back? >> correct. >> to your knowledge, did you move or disturb any evidence that was around his body or on his body when you rolled him over? >> no, sir. >> did trayvon martin respond in any way either physically orb verbally when you rolled his body over? >> no, sir. >> after rolling his body over, did you see anything that appeared to be a gunshot wound? >> after moving at a later -- yes. >> after -- >> after he was moved around, yes. >> yes, sir. and where was that? >> it was underneath. he had a pin or a button. so it was underneath the button. >> are you indicating a button on his shirt or sweatshirt? >> yes. >> and the gunshot wound was near that area?
>> it was right underneath the button. so -- >> all right. how did you find the gunshot wound? >> how did we find -- we -- well, when we moved the sweater, the button kind of lifted up so you could see it went through the sweater. at that time, we lifted up his sweater and shirt. >> all right. actually exposing his bare chest? >> correct. >> and you could see a gunshot wound or something that appeared to be a gunshot wound at that point? >> yes, sir. >> did you and sergeant raimondo perform cpr trayvon martin? >> yes, sir. >> and do you have cpr training? >> yes, sir. >> and did either you or sergeant raimondo ask anybody for anything while you were performing or attempting to perform had cpr. >> sergeant raimondo was asking for a plastic bag, some sort. >> did anyone provide anything to sergeant raimondo or yourself? >> someone provided a bag to him, yes. >> can you describe the bag? it was like a plastic-type grocery bag? >> correct.
>> do you recall the color of the bag? >> i do not. >> and do you recall who provided it? >> i do not. >> after receiving the bag, did you and sergeant raimondo continue to perform had cpr. >> correct. we did. >> at any time did you see any signs of life from trayvon martin's body? >> no, sir. >> what was your role specifically in the administration of cpr? >> i was doing chest compressions. >> and what was sergeant r raimondo's role? >> he was doing mouth to mouth. >> did rescue eventually respond to the scene? >> yeses. >> and did rescue personnel take over the treatment or assessment of trayvon martin after they arrived? >> yes. >> was trayvon martin pronounced dead at the scene? >> yes, he was. >> did you have any further contact or involvement with this defendant after you performed cpr on trayvon martin? >> no, sir.
>> and did investigators and crime scene technicians respond to that scene while you were still present? >> yes, sir. >> and did those officers and technicians take over the scene after they arrived? >> yes, sir. >> did you have any further involvement with the case? >> no, sir. >> all right. thank you, sir. judge, that's all i have. >> thank you, mr. o'meara? >> thank you. good afternoon, officer, how are you. >> >> thank you. >> a couple of questions. when you had heard as you were on your way that officer smith had just arrived on the scene, correct? as you were coming -- >> as i was getting there? >> right. >> yeah, he was just arriving on the scene. >> because you guys are in radio contact, aren't you, all the responding officers? >> yes, sir. >> okay. so you knew that you were right behind officer tim smith to get there? >> yes. >> okay. could you even guesstimate from the radio transmissions how fast or quickly after him you got
there? >> i would guesstimate less than two minutes. >> as a matter of fact, it was so quick that the officer still had mr. zimmerman at gunpoint, right? >> that's correct. >> in a shot fired situation, when you come into a dark area like that, it's protocol to take out your weapon and control the situation, right? >> correct. >> that's not to suggest any particular danger coming from mr. zimmerman. that's just what you do in a situation where you have shots fired. >> that's correct. >> and that's appropriately -- appropriate for officer smith to have done that here, correct? >> correct. >> now, if you were to come up to me, how would you tell me -- what would you tell me to do in a situation like that where you pulled your weapon and trying to control the situation that you're just coming upon? >> i want to see your hands. >> right. and you say that, don't you?
>> yes, sir. >> okay. if i had a cell phone, you think it would be appropriate if i had a cell phone and you say "see my hands," to maybe go like there? >> no -- >> or like this? >> no, it would not. >> what would you want me to do with the cell phone? >> drop it. >> why? >> that way we make sure we have no weapons and nothing in your hands. >> okay. when you came on with smith, did you take out -- right behind smith, did you take out your weapon, as well? >> yes, sir. >> same reason? >> yes, sir. >> you don't know what's going on, do you? >> no, we do not. >> can't see very much, can you? >> no, sir. >> flashlights in one hand, gun in the other? >> no, the gun actually has a flashlight on it. >> so both, gun with flashlight, seeing what's going on. >> yes. >> you also said in your report that you were protecting officer smith, right? is that a focus of this initially? >> correct. >> because he's at least a
fellow officer, potentially in a dangerous situation. >> yes, sir. >> okay. once you realized -- did you come to realize that officer smith had that part of the situation including mrs.-- inclg mr. zimmerman under control, did that happen? >> well, i had my weapon out until -- while i was having my eyes on mr. zimmerman and trayvon at the same time, we didn't know what was going on. >> right. >> as soon as he's secure -- he secured zimmerman, i went ahead and focused on trayvon, make sure where the threat was coming from. >> was there another person there? >> when we got there, or when i got there? >> yes, yes. >> there probably was. i was more focused on security for the officer. >> curious. we had testimony that a neighbor had come out with a flashlight. it may not have caught your memory. >> it doesn't, no. >> okay. you were mainly focused on -- your fellow officers? >> uh-huh.
>> and the interested parties, in that case, mr. zimmerman, and mr. martin. >> yes, sir. >> okay. from your awareness of it, did officer smith have any concerns with securing mr. zimmerman? was there -- >> no. i mean, he got himself secured. >> okay. >> and tock him to his vehicle and secured him in the vehicle. he was good. >> was mr. zimmerman compliant as far as you were aware? >> yes. >> did you do ever -- did he do everything that officer smith asked him to do? >> yes, he did. >> did he disobey in any form that you're aware? >> no, he did not. >> okay. did you get a look at his face? >> no. i -- i looked -- yes, i'm sorry, his face. yeah, i didn't focus at -- >> quick glance? >> yes. >> did you notice the blood on his nose? >> i can't tell you i did, no. >> okay. again, not a focus of yours once he was secured. >> exactly.
>> okay. at that point, i think you said a moment ago you shifted over to trayvon martin, who was off at that point sort of to the left? >> yes. >> okay. and it was quite dark, right? >> yes, sir. >> you would not have been able to see trayvon martin's body but for your flashlight. is that accurate? >> yeah, pretty accurate. >> i think that you testified you attempted to do what you could as a first responder to deal with trayvon martin. >> correct. >> okay. and you did not -- did you see george zimmerman again when he was in the back of tim smith's patrol car? >> no. >> never even went over there? >> i -- i i did. -- i didn't make contact after he was secured. >> okay. just a moment, your honor. no further questions. >> thank you.
redirect? >> just briefly. the defendant was complying with officer smith's commands, was officer smith holding him at gunpoint? >> when i arrived there, yes. >> thank you. judge, that's all i have. >> thank you. may mr. ayala be excused? >> he may. >> call your next witness. >> stacey livingston. >> okay. so you just heard from one of the first responding officers to the night, to that crime scene back on february 26 of 2012. he just finished pretty quickly there. questioned, setting up the scene, seeing the body of trayvon martin, trying to resuscitate, no signs of life. also answering questions both from obviously from the state and from the defense as far as whether or not george zimmerman was compliant officers, if he answered questions clearly, completely, and just heard he said that, yes, he did. got to get a quick break in. we're going to continue this coverage, constant coverage, of course, of this major trial underway in sanford, florida. george zimmerman on trial for
want to take you back to sanford, florida, to the george zimmerman murder trial. on the stand right now, first being questioned by the state is a woman named stacey livingston, a member of the sanford fire department. they're talking about whether that first call in to dispatch was made. hare we go. >> yes. >> did you later learn that person's name to be trayvon martin? >> yes. >> and were sanford police officers present with trayvon martin's body when you arrived? >> yes. >> wha >> what were those officers doing? >> cpr. >> how was trayvon martin's body positioned when you got there? >> on his back. >> and did you and other sanford fire/rescue personnel take over the cpr when you arrived? >> we didn't take over cpr, but we took over assessing him.
>> okay. did you check trayvon martin for a pulse? >> yes. >> how did you do that? >> on his carotid, on his neck. >> on his neck? >> yes. >> what did you find? >> no pulse. >> while you were treating or evaluating trayvon martin, did you move his clothing in any way? >> yes. >> and what did you move specifically? >> i lifted his shirt. >> did you notice anything in trayvon martin's sweatshirt when you moved him? >> yes. >> what was that as best you can recall? >> i wasn't sure what it was at the time. i know what it is now. >> okay. first of all, where was it? >> in the front of his sweatshirt. >> what was it? >> felt like a cam. >> what did you do with it, if anything? >> i took it out and just moved it to my right side behind me. >> did you take time to examine the cam for any reason? >> no. >> why not? >> it wasn't my concern.
i was just trying to get to the patient. >> all right. did you detection or feel anything else -- detect or feel anything else in trayvon martin's sweatshirt when you moved it? >> yes. >> and what was that? >> it just felt like maybe a small bag. when i moved the shirt, it made like a crinkling noise. >> did you do anything with that small bag? >> i did not. >> was that item also in trayvon martin's sweatshirt? >> it wasn't exactly where it was. when i moved the shifrt rt up, moved it. it wasn't large enough to be in my way. >> all right. when you pulled up trayvon martin's sweatshirt, did you see any injuries? >> yes. >> specifically, did you see what appeared to be a gunshot wound? >> yes. >> where of that? >> in his chest. >> and what steps did you and other personnel take to ay is trayvon martin? >> we put on a cardiac monitor.
>> what's the purpose of that? >> to assess the heart rhythm. >> and what was determined from the cardiac monitor? >> it was determined by the lead paramedic on the scene that the rhythm was incompatible to life. >> and was trayvon martin then pronounced dead at the scene? >> yes. >> does your report, does the report from the incident indicate the time that trayvon martin was pronounced dead? >> on the report that i have here? >> yes, ma'am. >> 19:30. >> 7:30? >> yes. >> all right. that was just a few minutes after you arrived, about three minutes after you arrived? >> yes. >> okay. at any point did you hear trayvon martin make any sounds? >> no. >> did you or anyone from your agriculture transporting trayvon martin's body from the scene?
>> no. >> why not? >> that wouldn't be part of our job. >> is that something when the person's deceased that's left for the medical examiner's office? >> yes. >> other than taking the can out of trayvon martin's shirt pocket, did you move or collect any other items on or around him? >> no. >> let me ask you to look at your screen. your honor, would you dim the lights, thank you. state's exhibit 20. do you recognize that? >> yes. >> is that a fair and accurate depiction of the way trayvon martin appeared after he was pronoun pronounce pronounced? >> he had his shirt up, but yes. >> state's 25 from the other side. is that also an accurate depiction of the way he appeared? >> yes. >> and state's 80 -- >> yes. >> and state's 28 -- what's depicted in that photograph?
>> the gunshot wound. >> that obviously would be when his sweatshirts were pulled up. >> yes. >> all right. your honor, that's all i have for the lights. all right. after trayvon martin was pronouned dead, did you treat a man later identified to you as george zimmerman at that same scene? >> yes. >> do you see that individual in court this afternoon? >> i don't know -- yes. >> is he the gentleman standing my left? >> yes. >> your honor, i ask that the witness reflect that the witness has identified the defendant. where was the defendant when you made contact with him? >> sitting in a police car. >> and when you met with the defendant, did you talk to him? >> yes. >> did the defendant appear to have any difficulty understanding what you were saying? >> no. >> did you have any difficulty understanding the defendant when
he responded to you? >> no. >> did the defendant appear to have any memory problems? >> no. >> your honor, objection, that would be speculation. >> sustained. >> since it got out before -- [ inaudible ] >> move to strike. >> ladies and gentlemen, you're to disregard the question and the answer. >> what is a glasgow coma score? >> a scoring system that we use to determine the level of responsiveness of a patient. >> and what -- what are the components of it? what makes it up? >> it has three sections for eye, verbal, and motor response. they each have a series of numbers like a score. for example, for eye, it's 4321, it would be spontaneous to command, to pain, and none. and each section has a different amount of numbers for a score.
>> all right. and what's the highest score someone can get that is the most alert someone can be? >> a 15. >> and what was the defendant's glasgow coma score that evening? >> 15. >> and what does that highest score indicate to you? >> it would indicate that for eye response, it was spontaneous. for verbal response, he was oriented. for motor response, he obeyed commands. >> did you observe any injuries to the defendant? >> yes. >> and what injuries did you observe? >> he had a very swollen, bleeding nose. he had lacerations to the back of his head. >> of the defendant's nose actively bleeding when you arrived? >> i don't believe it was actively bleeding. >> all right. >> it was still moist. >> okay. what did you do to treat his
nose? >> we just tried to clean up his injuries so we could see them better to determine. >> and describe the lacerations that you saw in the back of the defendant's head. >> i recall two lacerations. approximately an inch long. >> all right. were either of those lacerations bleeding? >> not actively bleeding, but they had been. >> and how did you treat the lacerations to the defendant's head? >> the same. we just tried to clean up a little so we could view better what the injury was. >> at any point while you were treating the defendant, did he stand up? >> yes. >> did the defendant have any trouble with his balance when he stood up? >> i don't believe so. >> and about how long were you treating the defendant?
>> maybe five minutes. >> did you -- >> all right. quick break here. you've been listening to a member of the sanford fire department. this is stacey livingston. she's describing coming on to the scene. officers already there, describes the unresponsiveness and ultimately she and her team pronounced trayvon martin dead on the scene there last february. also now describing the bloody nose and cuts to the back of george zimmerman's head. quick break. back in a moment. trust calcium plus vitamin ds to support strong bones. and the brand most recommended by... my doctor. my gynecologist. my pharmacist. citracal. citracal. [ female announcer ] you trust your doctor. doctors trust citracal. radio: it's mattress discounters' 4th of july sale...
for a store near you go to benjaminmoore.com/bayarea. let me take you pack it the trial. just to set this up, stacey livingston, member of the sanford fire department on, the stand. now as you're looking at these bloody pictures of george zimmerman, that night february of last year, after the whole altercation and ultimately death of trayvon martin happened. she's being questioned about some of his injuries she witnessed herself by mark o'mara, the defense attorney. take a listen. >> how does a person get a
laceration like that? >> i don't know. >> okay. in your experience is that consistent with getting struck in the nose? by a fist? >> it could. >> okay. similar to the injuries to the nose itself and the swelling, is that also consistent with a fist strike to the nose? >> very possibly. >> and do you see the -- the injuries to what would be closest to you his left forehead? do you see those markings up there? >> yes. >> what is that? >> looks like an abrasion. >> okay. can you tell how that may have been -- how he was injured with that? >> i cannot. >> okay. would you agree that that would be a separate injury from the injury to his nose? >> yes. >> now let's talk about what seems to be on the tip of his
nose. what is that? >> blood. >> and is that what you talked about earlier, that it was still moist, in the process of drying? >> yes. >> where was that coming from? >> his nose. >> inside? >> yes. >> what does that indicate to you? >> an injury to the nose. >> of what sort? what happen when the nose bleeds, how does it stop bleedin bleeding? >> specifically? >> well, as best you can, if you can, describe how a shot to the nose would cause bleeding like that. what has to happen to it? >> i mean, blood vessels would initiate bleeding. >> okay. and the blood vessels that exist up in the nose, correct? >> yes. >> any idea what happens to the planned parenthood that break or that escapes from blood vessels when you're laying on your back? what if you had that injury and you were laying on your back,
where would the blood go? >> you would probably swallow it. >> it would go back up into your sinuses? >> correct. >> then back down the back of your throat. >> correct. >> and then if you could yurksds be swallowing your own blood, right? >> the lights if you would, thank you very much. the injuries that we talked about in the back of the head, similar they -- you saw them that night the same way, correct? >> yes. >> and then you cleaned them off? >> i did. >> and you could see lacerations that you identified as being about an inch long each. correct? >> approximately. >> right. not actively bleeding when you saw them? >> no. >> what is -- do you have a concern with head injuries? when you see a head injury similar to this, what concerns come to you?
>> concerns meaning -- >> well, what medical issues -- if you were to see as you did those two one-inch lacerations in the back of his head, did you have any concerns for any medical condition that may be happening to mr. zimmerman because of those injuries? >> yeah. we had -- in questioning him, we asked did he lose conscious not. i think he's the one that said he had felt dizzy. we just continued to question him about that. >> sure. you would be concerned as a first responder to possible con cussive injuries from an injury like that? >> correct. >> where you can get a concussion when your head is hit that way? >> correct. >> and even brain injury, is that a possibility from an injury like that? >> possibly. >> and something that you need to be aware of in? yes. >> and you were only aware of that and concerned as you were treating him, correct?
>> yes. >> reasonable in your opinion for somebody who's incurred those type of injuries to be concerned about their own continued safety? >> i'm sorry, repeat the question. >> do you think a person who sustained those type of injuries in the pack of the head should be concerned about their medical safety? >> possibly. >> how about the nose -- would that cause you concern about a person's medical safety if that injury was caused to them? >> possibly. >> what is the normal procedure for head injuries and getting them x-rayed? >> well, we -- they would have
to be transported to a medical facility to receive an x-ray. >> sure. you can't get x-rays just in the back of your ambulance, right? >> right. >> you'd have to take them to the hospital. >> if they choose to go. >> who helps make that decision? >> if the patient is fully awake and alert, it's -- they can make the sdimpgz. >> so that final decision, is that actually left up to the nonmedical personnel? >> it was discussed, and we explained that we would be happy to transport him, and i'm not exactly how the determination of made. but i knew that it was determined that if he was going receive medical care, the police was going take him. >> so it became the police responsibility at that point, correct? >> correct. >> had it not been for the police involvement, would you have suggested to the person who had that injury and the injuries in the back of his head to go get some x-rays? >> we would have said the same
thing that -- that we would be happy to transport him, but it would have been up to them. >> if i might just have a moment, your honor. >> and stacey livingston, still on the stand, member of the sanford fire department. again, talking and we have guests in the studio depending upon when this continues. you know, one point that was made, the picture particularly of george zimmerman is really, since you've been hearing conflicting testimony, is the piece of conflicting evidence as you see the nose and saw the back of his head. a quick break. more on the george zimmerman trial in a moment. ] erica had a rough day. there was this and this. she got a parking ticket... ♪ and she forgot to pay her credit card bill on time. good thing she's got the citi simplicity card. it doesn't charge late fees or a penalty rate. ever. as in never ever. now about that parking ticket. [ grunting ]
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>> this of about what was george zimmerman like that night. you know, the first responders that came there, what did he look like, what did he sound like. was he compliant. >> was he compliant. prosecution trying to establish that he wasn't that hurt. >> they've got to minimize it because from their point of view that would go to the fact that deadly force was unnecessary. that unless he believes he's at risk of death or grievous bodily injury, that he's got no right to escalate it from a fist fight to a gunfight. >> that's why they're going on and on and asking questions of this particular woman. >> getting as much detail. as much as george zimmerman was able to do and comply and answer questions and not complain and stand up, and not -- that's good for the prosecution. the defense is going to strike to maim him more hurt. you -- to make him more hurt. you look at the cut, the blood -- >> did they see it, did they not see it. to the point, we heard all the different testimony from different men and women who were there, who witnessed different iterations of the story. here the picture -- the picture of george zimmerman. you're saying the most objective piece of evidence we've seen
thus far. >> right. it's the only piece of truly objective evidence. >> how do you mean? >> we know that eyewitnesses and ear witnesses, as much as we think they're very reliable, we know that they're not. there's problems. and i mean this across the board. we perceive, recall, and report events, we're not like computers. we know, for example, that there have been over 1,000 exonerations in other cases because of dna and other factors. the biggest contributing factor in false -- in false convictions is faulty eyewitness identification. and here we have all these witnesses who have perceived these events in different ways. but we know one thing's for sure -- he had the cut on the back of his head, he had that injury to his nose. let's go back the trial. another police officer. >> shots fired -- >> yes, i was. >> and what was that address if you recall. >> i believe it was 1231 twin trace. >> and where were you when you received the update?
>> entering the gates of the community. >> is that a gated complex? >> yes. >> how did you get through the gate? >> with the gate code. >> how did you get the gate code? >> dispatch. >> all right. may i approach the witness? would you dim the lights? >> yes, you may. >> i was to bring state's exhibit 2. let me give you a pointer to press that. do you recognize that? >> yes, i do. >> is that an aerial photograph that includes the retreated twin lakes complex? >> yes, it is. >> can you show the members of the jury first where the complex is with your -- with the laser pointer, if you would. >> right here. >> okay. and show them your location when you first received the dispatch. >> right here. >> all right. and can you show what route you took to get to the complex? >> sure. i would have gone northbound on
rinehart to oregon. down oregon to the front entrance right here. >> all right. may i ask you to look at state's exhibit one. do you recognize that to be a -- an aerial photograph of the retreat at twin lakes complex itself? >> yes, i do. >> all right. can you show the members of the jury where you went first when you entered the complex. >> through these -- through the front gate here, down through here. twin trace. >> and i think you said you went first to 1231. was there an update to the location after you got in the complex? >> 1231 is what i was originally given, so i arrived there first. >> can you show approximately where 1231 is. >> right in this area. >> okay. and where did you go? >> from there, i was given an
update from an address on retreat view. advising that the incident was taking place behind that location. >> all right. and do you recall the address on retreat view circle that you were given? >> 2821 retreat view. >> so where did you go? >> down twin trees toward retreat view, and the address would have been in this area. >> all right. as you were en route to the 2821 address, did you stop anywhere and observe things or use your flashlight, spotlight? >> i did. >> where was that? >> down here in between the sets of townhomes. >> okay. what did you do at that location? >> i used the spotlight on the patrol vehicle to shine it down
that walkway. >> all right. did you get out of your car or you were sitting inside and can maneuver it from inside the car? >> inside the car. >> what but see? >> toward the end of the walkway, i saw at least one person standing outside. >> could you see any more than that other than a person standing outside? >> in from where i was, no, sir. >> did you continue on retreat view circle to the 2821 address? >> yes, sir. >> show the accident mft -- show the jury again about where you parked and what do you when you got out of the car. >> i parked roughly in this area here. >> where did you go? >> as i exited, i went around to the left to go in between the townhomes on the walkway. >> all right. what were the lighting conditions like when you got in between and behind the townhomes? >> it was dark. >> did you have a flashlight with you? >> i did. >> did you use that? >> i did. >> what were the weather conditions like? >> it was raining.
>> when you got behind the townhomes, did you seein? >> i did. >> how many people did you see? >> a quick break. officer tim smith, first officer responding on the scene. he's the one who slapped the handcuffs on george zimmerman. he's setting the scene, a murky, dark, rainy night in february of last year. spokesman i have to look my so bbest on camera.sing whether i'm telling people about how they could save money on car insurance with geico... yeah, a little bit more of the lime green love yeah... or letting them know they can reach geico 24/7 using the latest technology. go on, slather it all over. don't hold back, go on... it's these high-definition televisions, i'll tell ya, they show every wrinkle. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
again, still on the stand is sanford police officer tim smith being questioned by the state still. you know, questions that we've been hearing with the last couple of folks who have been on the stand. you know, from the fire department or the police department, talking specifically about george zimmerman that night, how was he responding to police, was he, you know, being direct. was he being compliant with some of the police commands. so that's where they are right now in this questioning. let's go back. >> the gun or the holster? >> the gun and the holster. >> what did you do with the gun and holster, where did you put it? >> it was currently on me because i was away from my patrol vehicle. >> where did you put it in o
your person? >> it was tucked between my magazine pouch and my vest. >> all right. do you recall whether or not the defendant's holster was inside his pants or on the inside of his pants when he showed it to you? >> i don't. >> all right. could you see the defendant's gun when you approached him? >> no. >> could you see the holster when you approached him? >> no. >> all right. what did dow with the defendant after you placed him in hand sdmufs. >> he was seating in the rear of my prius vehicle. >> when you walked ben tote your patrol car, did he appear to have any trouble walking? >> no, sir. >> did other sanford police department officers respond to the scene in short order after you? >> yes, sir. >> do you recall who the first officer was who responded after
you? >> i believe it was officer ayala. >> what did officer ayala do when he arrived at the scene? >> he went to attend to mr. martin. >> okay. do you recall any other officers going over to trayvon martin's body at that time? >> yes, sir. >> who that was? >> sergeant raimondo. >> were you wearing gloves when you first made contact with the defendant and removed his holster and firearm from his senior. >> i was not. >> did you handle the firearm in any special way when you removed it? >> no, sir. >> why not? >> why did i not handle it in a certain way? >> yes, sir. >> there was not enough time. >> and did you secure or make safe the defendant's firearm at? point? >> i did -- at some snoint.
>> i did. >> how did you do that? >> i removed the magazine from the firearm, and i locked the slide to the rear. >> all right. when you say you removed the magazine, we're talking about semiautomatic pistol? >> correct. >> and when you pulled the slide back or locked it into position to the rear, there was a round in the chamber? >> yes, sir. >> what happened to that when you moved the slide? >> it was ejected. >> did you collect it? >> i did. >> did you keep that round and all the rounds in the magazine together with the sflarm. >> yes. and where did you put them? >> they were secure in my patrol vehicle until i could obtain a gun becomes. >> what's a gun box? >> ten it's a cardboard box tha use to secure firearm as evidence. >> pretty much a standard box it secure any handgun? >> correct. >> and ultimately, what did you do with the ammunition, the
magazine, the holster, and the firearm? >> it was all submitted to evidence. >> got to get another quick break in. officer tim smith still on the stand. still being questioned by the state. we'll be right back. have a good night. here you go. you, too. i'm going to dream about that steak. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu. what a night, huh? but, um, can the test drive be over now? head back to the dealership? oh, yeah. [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. [ wife ] sorry. [ male announcer ] but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a passat. that's the power of german engineering. get $0 down, $0 due at signing, $0 deposit, and $0 first month's payment on any new volkswagen. visit vwdealer.com today.
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within this, obviously the area where this altercation happened last february. let's listen again. >> is that the approximate area that you parked your patrol car on -- on retreat view circle? >> yes, sir. >> state's 132, a daylight photograph. is that a photograph of the entrance, the front entrance of the retreat at twin lakes? >> yes, social security. >> and state's 133, do you recognize that to be a closer shot of the front of the retreat at twin sflax. >> yes. >> state's 134, is that a shot of going into the complex with the clubhouse in the right of the sflkt. >> yes. >> state's, 135, what is that? >> that's the front of the clubhouse. >> and state's 136. do you recognize that? >> that would be the mailbox
kiosk. >> state's 137, is that a closeup of the mail box kiosk by the clubhouse? >> yes, sir. >> and state's 138, is that a depiction of the rear gate of the retreat at twin lakes? >> yes, it is. >> let me show you state 79. do you recognize that? >> yes, sir. >> is that, to your knowledge, the photograph that officer wagner took of the defendant when he was seated in your patrol car? >> yes, it is. >> state's 76, does that depict the defendant's head or close t it, fair and accurate depiction of when you came close to it? >> yes, sir. >> do you recall what the defendant was wearing that evening? >> red and black jacket and blue jeans. >> again, this officer looking at some of the pictures of the
clubhouse and this neighborhood where this happened and some of the pictures we saw that was the back of george zimmerman's head, the bloodied head that night. so he's being questioned, what exactly did you see, does that match the photos that we're showing in court. that's basically what they're still going through, facts and figures. getting the story straight and on the record here in this courtroom. quick break. back in a moment. hi! i'm sandy, and walmart's super summer savings event is here. this 5-piece dining set on clearance, save over $49! how bout all these bikes on rollback? like this mongoose adult bike, you save over $20! get more summer for your money at walmart's super summer savings event.
welcome back. top of the hour. are you watching continuous coverage. george zimmerman trial out of sanford, florida. as you know, zimmerman on trial for second-degree murder. the last couple of folks we've seen take to the stand were member of the sanford police department, fire department. basically setting the scene of what happened, what they saw, the positioning, the body of trayvon martin. the demeanor, compliance or lack thereof of george zimmerman that night as they slapped cuffs on him. quickly before we take you back, want to introduce you to both darin kavanaki, trial attorney, and b.j. bernstein, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. before we go back. impressions? >> transitional afternoon. we had witnesses before who were on the scene and heard what happened. now we have the first responders there are going to set up the critical evidence of what the placement of the body was, what will the forensics mean when we hear that next week. >> presentationly, i think they risk putting the jurors to sleep. we had a big morning headline of john good and his information.
he turned out to be a defense witness disguised as one for the prosecution. and all of what we're hearing now is foundational, introduce those photographs. prosecution wants to show lack of injury on george zimmerman. >> here we go. back to the trial again. okay, i'm told in my ear that they're taking a 15-minute recess. on that note, i'm glad you're here. let's go back to your point, the fact both of you talking about how we heard from the police officers. this is officer smith, one of the first responding officers. he wrote this up, put the handcuffs on george zimmerman. what are -- they're basically setting the scene for the six jurors as far as what they saw, what they touched, how george zimmerman appeared. what do you make of how they're testifying so far? >> just to plant the flag as a place to start. just to give context, what we're talking about is we're talking about the moment in time when the altercation happened.
the prosecution's theory is that zimmerman was not justified when he shot trayvon. oh zimmerman's defense obviously that he's using self-defense, he's if fear for his life because he's -- he's in fear for his life because on the receiving end of bless from trayvon, if he had to use deadly force. now had they'-- what they're goo show, they're going to minimize the injuries to zimmerman. they're going to show that he wasn't on the receiving end of anything more than a fist fight. it's got to be either death or serious bodily injury that justifies the use of deadly force. and what they're trying to show now, showing that zimmerman was not that beaten un, the injuries weren't that bad. that he understood all the questions. that he behaved normally. that he was responsive. that he's able to stand up. this all goes to the lack of injury and the lack of justification for that deadly force. that's what this is about. >> what do you think? >> i agree with that. and the next transition of this is setting up the groundwork for
the experts next week. you know, there's going to be discussion about what the injuries were to trayvon, what the marks were or lack of marks -- >> we're hearing some of the questions so far just -- forgive me for interrupting. i got -- pulling up his sweatshirt, seeing the gunshot wound to the chest. they're playing that. you're seeing the experts will take that a step further -- >> exactly. it's going to tie back in to this morning's witnesses who -- when we had conflict who was on top, who was on bottom, and this tussle and tugle. and that's important for each side. they're going to interpret it each way. the state is going to be clear that it was trayvon who was defending himself and then of course the other side -- >> i'm glad you brought that up. in this 15-minute recess -- and i know people aren't able to sit at work or home and watch the entire thing. maybe are you, and we're glad you're watching cnn, but watching the different bits of
testimony, different eyewitnesses, whether an ear witness or eyewitness. and you bring this point up, guys, let's bring up the sound bite. there is john good. takes the stand this morning. he's the one who talks to your point about conflicting testimony. this has to be frustrating for jurors. let's play the sound bite when he was discussing he only can see colors when he's looking at two individuals tussling, i believe tussle was his word. who was on the top, who was on the bottom. let's roll that sound byte. >> ask you if this is what you said, okay? yeah, i heard someone yelling outside. i wasn't sure if it was a fight or something going wrong. i open my colorblind and see kind of luke a person out there. i didn't know if it was a dog attack or something. so i open my door -- there was a ambulance man with a black hood -- a black man with a black hoodie or on top of the white guy. now i fine out a hispanic guy
with a red sweatshirt on the ground yelling out "help." then i tried to tell them, you know, get out of here, you know, stop or whatever. and then one guy on top in the black hoodie was just throwing down blows on the guy kind of mma style. was that the context in which that happened? >> yes. >> you're not going to tell the jury that you saw fist hit flesh on face if you didn't actually see it, right? >> i wouldn't tell that anyways because i didn't see it. >> that was just one sound byte. let me play one more just to the point of conflicting testimony. one woman saying it looked like one individual office top in the scuffle and another on the bottom. this man, john good, had a different vantage, according to his testimony today. here's how he described it. >> you mentioned you -- that the second position or change in position as we do-not-call, they
were horizontal at that point. could you tell there were two individuals, the same people? >> yes. >> okay. in terms of describing the individuals, are you able to describe their faces or anything or just clothing descriptions? >> going back to when they were vertical, i could tell the person on the bottom had a lighter skinned color. >> so it's so amazing with this witness -- and compare and contrast his demeanor with what we saw from rachel, one of the other big witnesses, rachel jeantel. and this witness is pain staking in his effort to be precise, who doesn't have a dog in the race. he's just there reporting the fact. appears to be unbiased. and he's called by the prosecution. yet, what he's supporting in his answers was entirely the defense narrative. if you listen to john good, we've got george zimmerman on his back. we've got trayvon raining down blows in this mma ground and
pound style. >> words -- >> using his words. and we've got george zimmerman calling for help. all of this -- if i'm the defense and i'm feeling this good in my prosecution case, oh, my goodness. >> why does the state call him? >> first of all because they have to say -- you can't be afraid of the facts. you put everything out there. number one. number two, there was -- you're talking about this mma thing. there's conflict it whether that was in his original statement to the police. >> yes. >> that is going to be a thing throughout this trial for both sides. what did someone first say, and what did they say in court, and what are the differences and why. and that is going to be a fight to the very end of this trial. and especially this guy, even he had conflicts, just like rachel had conflicts yesterday. they're -- there have been very few witnesses in this case who have duplicated what theystead beginning. that's an -- what they said at the beginning. >> that's an issue. we'll talk about the pictures
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life has been since she had the lung transplant. this is the first picture of the 10-year-old girl from pennsylvania since the operation became national news. sarah's parents, you know the story, they fought this, they went to court so she could get those lungs from an adult donor. it was a move that ended up changing the organ donation rules for all kids under the age of 10. her parents have just now rev l revealed they have not just one, but two donor families to be grateful for today. cnn's national correspondent, jason carroll, joins us to explain. wow, i've been wondering how she is. >> incredible. >> tell me everything. also, this is news to all of us -- two lung transplants? >> two lung transplants. >> wow. >> an incredible story. you remember it was back on june 12, we were all reporting on this incredible story about sarah murnaghan, 10-years-old,
suffering from cystic fibrosis. how she got the lung transplant, it was touch and go. she received so much media attention. we're finding out how touch and go it really was. it turned out that things really took a turn for the worse just days after she had that lung transplant. you now see the new picture that is up of sarah murnaghan. the good news is now that she is breathing independently on her own from a second pair of lungs that were donated after the first set of lungs failed. this information coming to us from janet murnaghan, also the family spokesperson. let me lay it out what happened here. once again, it was back on june 12 as you know that sarah murnaghan received her first lung transplant. it was really touch and go after that. we're now receiving a statement. i'll read part of it. "after announcing the overwhelming joyful news that sarah's lung transplant was a success, things quickly spiralled out of control.
we had made sarah's battle very public, but we were completely emotionally unprepared for what was to come. that evening, as we waited for sarah to be transitioned back to her room, an emergency code blue was announced, and sarah's vital signs had begun to fail." this was an incredibly difficult time for the family, as you can imagine. three days later, doctors were telling the family that sarah was unlikely to survive for more than a week. again, this is what doctors were telling her. saying that her lung allocation score, this is the score that they give patients in terms of how serious they are, was an 87, zero to 100, she was at an 87. sarah needed to get another transplant. they were able to give her a second transplant. the family keeping this to themselves, keeping it out of public eye because they saw what happened after the first time, they wanted to make sure that sarah was in the clear and once again, you see the new picture that's up right now.
she seems to be breathing on her own from a second pair of donated lungs. >> what an ordeal for this family. jason carroll, thank you very much. i know an incredible amount of people were invested in that story, and this little girl's life. of course, we wish her the best with this second pair of lungs. at least you're telling us she's breathing on her own. that is wonderful news here. we have to take a quick break. ready? happy birthday! it's a painting easel! the tide's coming in! this is my favorite one. it's upside down. oh, sorry. (woman vo) it takes him places he's always wanted to go. that's why we bought a subaru.
since they're just watching, we have some silence, b.j. bernstein, let me bring you back in. i recognize this -- you recognize this. this has been on television after the story first broke. describe what we're seeing. >> this is right when zimmerman was arrested and he was brought back to the police department. and it made the national news because this was what the defense attorney started saying very early on, look at this carefully. do a closeup and see that there was injury to zimmerman. >> whether or not he was injured. right. >> that's why we've seen them footage over and over and over before we really knew all the facts of the case. >> right? >> yeah. well, that's when it's about. it's interesting because when the story first broke, it was all about the lack of injuries to zimmerman. finally we got to see the
closeup photos that showed the blood on the back of his head and the broken nose. here it is now. >> importantly for state, he's walking in, seeming fine. you're not seeing any debilitating injuries on his part. he seems cognizant of what's going on which goes to his state of mind which is what the state is traveling. there's a big fight on -- what was his state of mind in approaching trayvon and being, according to the state, the provacateur. >> going to his state of mind when he pulled the trigger. >> question to you, as you're hearing our guests describing sort of the purpose of this video, how does the defense team handle this video and this questioning next. >> the issue is is whether he had a reasonable belief. not whether he was actually in fear -- whether he had a reasonable belief that he was in fear of death or great bodily
harm. i think what we're going to attempt to establish, pout the case in cross-examination, that he was screaming "help me, help me, help me," repeatedly. he was the one crying for help, which shows that he believes he was in need of assistance. and i believe the initial statement indicated that he believed that trayvon martin was going for his gun. that's where they're going to be developing their case whether it comes time and through cross-examination. >> okay. officer tim smith on the stand. let's listen. >> appear to have any physical problems of any kind, falling out of the chair, anything like that? >> no, sir. >> did he do anything that caused you concern about his health during that 30 to 40-minute period? >> no, sir. >> who it was who arrived to interview the sdmft. >> i believe it was investigator singleton. >> did you participate in the interview? >> no, sir, i did not. >> where were you when detective singleton was speaking with the defendant? >> back on the other side of the
one-way glass. >> could you hear what they were saying? >> not enough. you could hear people talking, but not enough to make out. >> you can't make out what they were saying? ? thank you, sir. judge, that's all i have. >> cross? >> yes. good afternoon, officer, how are you? >> good afternoon. >> thanks for being here today. how long have you been an officer? >> since 2005. >> okay. what was your training, what did you do to become an officer? >> i attended the law enforcement academy. >> okay. how long a course is that? >> that's just shy of 700 hours. >> in addition, have you taken any other courses like at community college or anything along the way or before? >> i have attended summit state college, yes. >> just down the street? >> yes, sir. >> what type of courses did you take? >> general education courses. >> okay.
any focus on criminal justice, your chosen career? >> not at summit state. >> okay. how long did you want to be a cop before you became one? >> since i was little. >> okay. so a life goal for you then? >> yes, sir. >> why is that? >> i enjoy helping and educating. >> okay. the tradition in a lot of police cars, protect and serve. >> yes, sir. >> is that sort of a goal of yours as a police officer? >> yes, sir. >> do you feel that's a noble goal? >> yes, sir. >> do you enjoy it? >> yes, sir. >> you can't enjoy it quite as much when you get a "shots fired" call, though, can you? concerning, right? >> yes, sir. >> so you go on the radio, you testified about the map, and you get a call about a disturbance first. is that correct? >> suspicious person. >> that's right.
at some point it got upgraded, did it not? >> yes, it did. >> to shots fired. >> yes, sir. >> what do you do one you have a shot fired event? >> you tend to wait for additional information, but it becomes more of an officer safety issue. >> at that point, your -- [ inaudible ] >> correct. >> you came in, did the circle, and actually almost coincidentally i guess, you were able to shine a light down that entire sort of alleyway toward where this event actually occurred, right? >> yes, sir. >> and noticed at least one person toward the end? >> yes, sir. >> could you even tell who it was at that point? >> no, sir. >> so you pull up your car, and then get out, and you take out -- how do you equip yourself as you're going out of your car to go to that back alleyway?
due to the lighting, i grabbed a flashlight. >> okay. i talked to another officer before you. he said that his gun actually has a flashlight on it. was that the way yours was set up or -- >> yes, my gun does have a flashlight on it. >> was that what you used? >> no, sir, i used an actual standard flashlight. >> okay. so when you first came around that corner heading over toward the scene, did you know that was the scene where the shooting occurred? >> no, sir, i did not. >> okay. so when you first came up on the scene, you had your flashlight out? >> yes, sir. >> had you taken out your service revolver yet? >> not at that point, no, sir. >> okay. tell me what you first see when you come on scene. >> i saw mr. zimmerman standing on the sidewalk. there may have been somebody out there with him. and i saw trayvon laying in the grass. >> okay. when you say sidewalk, there was a walkway that you -- >> now you're hearing mark o'mara, defense counsel, asking questions of one of the first responding officers to the scene last february. that evening. again, setting the scene, what
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returning back it the george zimmerman trial in sanford, florida. once again you see one of the first responding officers to the scene last february. this is officer tim smith. let's go back. >> didn't challenge you in any way, did he? >> no, sir. >> he was completely cooperative, was he not? >> yes, sir. >> but protocol is you arm yourself and make sure that you have it on him to take care of the situation. >> yes, sir. >> and what did you next ask him? >> to -- as he was telling me that he had shot him and was still armed was when he leaned over to expose the firearm. >> so if i topper do that, then for a moment, tell me -- i'm
going to try. but your gun was on his -- right here, you testified? >> correct. >> so this jacket is longer than the one he was wearing, right? sg >> yes, sir. >> he went like this? >> yes, sir. >> and by this movement -- >> the hands going up and the leaning over. >> okay. so like that? >> right. >> and in just doing that movement, that was enough of a movement where the gun was exposed, correct? >> correct. >> the jacket didn't cover the gun by more than a couple, few inches, right? >> i don't believe so. >> okay. any movement up of the jacket, even that small movement that he did by leaning over exposed the gun, right? >> correct. >> had the jacket been ridden up in any form the gun would have been exposed, right? >> i would imagine so, yes. >> so do you remember if he had a cell phone in his hand or not? >> i don't recall. >> okay. in any case, he showed you his
gun, kept his hands in the air, didn't me? >> correct. >> that's what you told me. >> yes. >> and what did he do at that point now that you have a flashlight, a gun, and you see another gun? >> i asked mr. zimmerman to put his hands on top of his head, interlock his fingers. >> okay. >> at which point i reholstered, made hand-on contact with mr. zimmerman, placed him in handcuffs. >> you leave the gun until you get his hands secured? that's protocol, as well? >> that's choice. >> okay. he didn't resist in any way, did he? >> no, sir. >> and i guess that not resisting, as you have him like this, interlocked, correct? >> correct. >> then you would turn him around or go behind him? >> to handcuff him? >> yeah. >> i was behind him. >> right. take one arm, get it back, take the other arm -- >> correct. >> you have of course been in, i would imagine, hundreds of situations, having to handcuff people, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and most people -- i'll let you answer it. what percentage of people at
least offer some resistance to you when you try to get their arms behind their back? >> objection, relevance. anyone else -- >> sustained -- >> have you had other people resist getting their arms behind their backs? >> same objection, your honor. relevance. >> at this point, i want to speak -- >> please approach. >> i'll rephrase it. >> okay. >> did mr. zimmerman offer any response whatsoever to your cuffing him behind his back? >> any response of resistance? >> yeah. did he respond, did he resist at all? response, i apologize. did he resist at all? >> no. no, sir. >> complied with that command of yours immediately? >> yes, sir. >> and completely? >> yes, sir. >> once you had him secured, then you were able to secure his firearm? >> yes, sir. >> and i think a point was made that at that point your focus,
even more so than other people involved is to secure the firearm, correct? >> correct. >> and though in a perfect world you might have been able to put on gloves, you didn't have the time then, you just grabbed the gun, and i think you said you put it between one of your clips and your vest? >> yes, sir. >> okay. and that was necessary tated by the circumstances -- necessitated by the circumstances, wasn't it? >> that's correct. >> that was primary goal number one at that point. >> yes, sir. >> okay. at this point, is your first contact to mr. zimmerman, did he seem angry? >> no, sir. >> did he seem frustrated? >> no, sir. >> did he seem spiteful of anything that was going? >> no, sir. >> any ill will or hatred at all that you saw him exude as you first saw him moments after the event? >> no, sir. >> any concern about him at all
except for his injuries? >> no, sir. >> even though he had that obvious injury to his nose, did you see any injuries to the back of his head yet? >> while i was securing him, yes. >> as you got behind, you could see the blood dripping down the back of his head? >> correct. >> so even with those injuries, did he seem agitated? >> no, sir. >> there has been enthusiasm he was seemingly calm. did he come across that way to you? >> yes, sir. >> okay. having justice gone through what he went through and now that -- having just shot somebody, did his behavior to just seem strang strange? >> no, sir. >> just usual? >> i wouldn't say usual.
>> okay. was it particularly unusual. >> no, sir. >> even for those circumstances. >> no, sir. >> didn't come across to you as being cavalier, did he? >> no, sir. >> or just uncaring? >> no, sir. >> fairly appropriate for what you now know he had just gone through? >> correct. >> so you secured the gun. >> yes, sir. >> then what's the next thing that you do? >> i had mr. zimmerman have a seat in the rear of my patrol car. >> let's talk about the walk over. my understanding again from other testimony is that another officer came on scene fairly quickly behind you. do you recall that? >> that is correct. >> do you recall who it was? >> officer ayala. >> ayala. and you had control of mr. zimmerman. that became your now task,
correct? >> correct. >> was it through the officer ayala -- true that officer ayala took over the situation of dealing with the other person now known as mr. martin? >> that is correct. >> and as you were going, anything else that you recall mr. zimmerman saying at the scene before you started walking toward the car? >> not before, no, sir. >> okay. as you were walking toward the car, didn't he utter something to you sort of voluntarily? >> yes, sir. >> what did he say? >> he said to me that he was yelling for help. and that nobody would help him. >> and how long after you first saw him did that happen? it was a minute? >> it was a few minutes. >> okay. as long as it took to do what we just talked about? >> correct. >> then because as soon as you have him cuffed, you secured the gun. >> right. >> turned him around and walked him toward your car. >> correct. >> the car was 30 yards away?
>> approximately. >> and it was during that walk -- actually almost immediately upon turning toward walking toward the car that he uttered that to you, right? >> it wasn't very long after. no, sir. >> okay. he actually said that to you twice, didn't me? >> correct. >> second time was after you got to the car? >> that's correct. >> tell me how he said that -- >> got to take a quick, quick break. again, you have been listening to -- they're spending time with him. defense attorney mark o'mara cross examining this officer who is significant because he's the one who slapped the handcuffs on george zimmerman. he's the one describing his behavior, he didn't resist, he was not cavalier. in keeping because he saw the accessibility of george zimmerman's gun in the holster as he's walking george zimmerman to the patrol car. george zimmerman not not once, twice as we heard, that he had been yell for help and no one would help him. back after this.
putting the handcuffs on george zimmerman. describing his demeanor. describing the walk back to the patrol car. cross examining resuming once again. >> that was mainly your reason for waiting around. let them finish, and then continue on? >> yeah, i had to wait -- they decided to transport or not. >> was -- how of that decision accomplished? >> through the paramedics. >> and do you know -- were you there listening? >> i can -- i could overhear bits and pieces. i was pushed back because there was a crowd around the doorway of the car. >> including the paramedics? >> there was a crowd of paramedics. >> got you. mr. george zimmerman's still in the back seat of your car with his legs out on the ground? >> correct. that is correct. >> the paramedic attending to him. >> correct. >> do you know which one made the decision transport or not? >> which paparamedic? i do not. >> okay. seems that the decision to release him back to you was what was done. >> yes. >> did you have any impact on
that? like i want to get him to the station, are we done here, what's going on? >> no, sir. >> you left that in their hands? >> yes, sir. >> so he's then released to you. >> correct. >> and put him in the back seat of the car. at some point, did you actually have to help him get up out of the car for the rest of the examination, were you sort -- where you lifted him up? i'm sorry. let me start -- he was still cuffed in the back seat of the car, correct? >> correct. >> as he was being treated by medical personnel, he was cuffed. >> he was still handcuffed, yes. >> at that point, all you know is that he's acknowledged something shot somebody. >> correct. >> and you're not going to release somebody under those circumstances just yet. >> correct. >> okay. so when the medical personnel wanted him lifted up to check the rest of him, did you help lift him up? >> no, sir.
>> do you know if another officer did? >> i don't recall. >> do you know how it happened with the medical personnel that -- >> it may have been two of the paramedics lifted him up. >> okay. do you remember that happening? >> i remember him standing up, but i don't mean who. it wasn't me. >> all right. that's finished. he's in the back seat still cuffed. >> correct. >> and you're taking him back to the sanforded? >> that's correct. >> and tell me again of the conversation about feeling lightheaded. >> he said that he felt lightheaded, had a headache. while he was in the back seat of the patrol car. >> that seemed consistent with his injuries to you? >> yes, sir. >> and did you then call over to sanford police department to figure out what to do with him now that he might having to to see the hospital? >> his called the supervisor that was on scene. >> do you recall who that was? >> sergeant mccoy. >> and tell me about the conversation with sergeant mccoy. >> i explained to her the
comment that he had made about feeling lightheaded. she advised me if he want to go to the hospital, we'll transport him to the hospital. if not, we'll take him to the station. >> okay. did you discuss with mr. zimmerman that though you could transport him to the hospital, the expenses of that would be on his shaurld-- his shoulders? >> i don't recall that. >> they would. spd doesn't cover expenses if he goes to the hospital, right? >> i don't believe so. >> okay. >> then we've learned -- we've seen the pictures, i'm not going to put them back up now. there was one picture after mr. george zimmerman had been cleaned up, correct? >> correct. >> those pictures were taken after midnight that night. were they not? >> i don't know what time they were taken, but it was after -- >> after the initial interview with detective singleton? >> correct. >> who cleaned him up at spd?
>> while at the station, he was given a bottle of water and some tissues. >> oh, to sort of clean himself off? >> correct. >> and is that how it went through the first picture we saw, the one with him with the blood all over him, to the one where the blood is gone? >> he was cleaned up some by the fire department on scene, and then while he was at the station. >> okay. >> officer smith testifying. he's the one who took george zimmerman there, who is on trial for second-degree murder here in the case of 17-year-old trayvon martin. he's the one who went back to the station. questioned about cleaning up some of the wounds. we've seen the bloody picture, bloodied nose. lacerations in the back of his head. highways talking about the evolution -- he's talking about the evolution of cleaning up some injuries. have to get a break in.
you back to live coverage. this is the co-counsel on the stateside now redirecting questioning back to this officer who has taken george zimmerman back to the patrol, back to the station, so this is what they call redirect. here we go. >> handed defendant the tissue, clean tech? >> yes, sir. >> to clean himself? >> yes. >> did anybody else clean him at the station? >> not that i saw. >> if i could publish one more photograph, if i could. officer smith, i'm showing you state's 46. is that a fair and accurate depiction of how the defendant appeared? >> yes, sir. >> that was taken on the evening of the 2 th or perhaps -- 26th
or perhaps after midnight on the 27th? >> yes, sir. >> thank you, sir. >> i very brief followup. i think it was just a mistake, but i want to clear it up. mr. guy when he suggested his maneuvering for the picture actually lifted up his left arm. you had testified, however, pretty certainly that the gun was on his right side. correct? >> correct. >> and that he lifted up his right arm. >> correct. >> so you have flow question in your mind whatsoever, do you, that the gun of located on his right hip. >> no, i don't. >> okay. mr. guy is putting up -- his left arm was just a mistake as far as you can? will. >> correct. >> thanks. nothing further. >> any redirect? >> no, your honor. >> may officer smith be excused? >> he may. >> thank you very much. >> so now officer smith is being excused as we await possibly for another witness. let me bring in criminal defense attorney and ryan smith, attorney and anchor of hln's
"evening express." good to see you all. i have had the company of these gentlemen as we've been watching the last bit. let me make two points. we were watching the two different picture, the evolution of george zimmerman. that was a photo taken by one of the people who initially testified today. then they cleaned him up and he looked much different. why did they do that? >> they offered it to him so he could get himself back in shape. the reason that testimony's important is the state wants to profits not that severe -- >> of an injury. >> they said the cut on the back of his head is only about two centimeters. if you get bopped on the head real hard -- >> blood everywhere. >> that's what they're trying to prove, this wasn't a life-or-death situation against george zimmerman, therefore he didn't have the right to respond with that deadly force. >> is it consistent with what george zimmerman is saying happened? did he get the back of his head hit on the concrete? even if you don't have blood
everywhere, i think the point from the defense is, look, what george zimmerman is saying is consistent with the evidence that we know, it is consistent with what these officers are saying and these are folks you expect to be objective, unbiased and without any agenda. >> we saw a female member of the seasonfo sanford fire department. it's interesting, they stayed with officer smith for a while, he handcuffed zimmerman, he can speak to his behavior, whether or not he was resisting and he was also the one who saw the gun. that's point i want to make. that was significant because he had george zimmerman had the gun in the right side holster. he showed as he was putting his hand over the head to be cuffed and the defense was trying to show the jurors how easily accessible it would have been if trayvon martin was going for the gun. >> that is huge and it's a big point for the defense. they say if you reach up like
that is correct had him stand up like that and when he did that, his shirt came up and it that revealed his gun. george zimmerman's statement is he was trying to shimmy away from him and his shirt came up like this and that's when trayvon martin grabbed for that begun and that's when the life-or-death altercation started. and not only that but going to the police officer, think about that. >> he told the police officer, george zimmerman, that he was yelling for help and no one could come help him. >> look who said it, tim smith, not george zimmerman. >> a police officer. >> right. so that comes in through the officer, not george zimmerman, a big thing for the defense right there because that may be one thing that can keep george zimmerman off the stand. you've got somebody else testifying about what you said. >> right, and a very credible witness testifying to what you want your client to say in a situation like this. but we're still talking about this one particular incident.
it's important answered expect the prosecution to back up and still show there was other combat going on that zimmerman was involved in this, that he initiated it and that there's more to the story. >> let me hit pause on the conversation. you're seeing this young woman taking to the stand. it's been explained to me she's a physician's assistant, so i expect we'll hear more about the injuries that george zimmerman sustained. quick break and then we'll hear her voice, her testimony, in two minutes.
>> i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me the last two hours. coming up next you'll see jake tapper. this young woman now on the stand is lindsay folgate. she's a physician's assistant and saw george zimmerman the day after this happened. he's going to talk about the severity of the injuries she saw herself. >> may i approach the witness? >> yes. >> may i approach the court? >> yes. >> so as they're approaching the judge here in this case, just quickly, guys, so she is the young woman who saw him. the point about this in terms of the questioning will be how bad is he hurt. >> right. part of his claim is two black eyes, broken nose. >> bad news.
>> bad news. this was life threatening. the prosecution wants to bring out his injuries aren't that serious, no broken nose, no black eyes. this is all about george zimmerman's perception but from a reasonable person's standpoint this perception doesn't make sense because he is not in a life threatening situation. >> let's see how far we've come from yesterday. now the best the state can show is his injuries aren't that bad but he has injuries. most of his earlier statements have been corroborated through the law enforcement witnesses. >> in the final three minutes that we have as we continue to watch and the microphones are killed and they're talking to the judge, give me the 20,000 foot view of the last five days. how is each side doing? >> i'll tell you this, from the state perspective, not great. not great at all. they can't develop a consistent theme among their witnesses around what happened. page and i were talking about this and that will happen in cases. but at the same time, you want to have a situation where everybody knows somebody's --
everybody backs some sort of theme, some sort of story. george zimmerman was the aggressor, trayvon martin was not. >> and that is consistent throughout this. >> right. the defense is scoring a lot of points with the state witnesses -- >> because of the inconsistencies? >> right. >> as a prosecutor, you have to expect some of your witnesses are not going to be singing from the same sheet of music. they're fact witnesses, you've got to call them but you're right, there has to be a consistent theme. i think the prosecutor laid out a good theme in opening and we're not finished with the trial yet. >> the experts are coming, the medical examiner. forensics is something the jury really attaches to a lot of times. >> that's what's happening next week. we heard from a lot of neighbors, the eyewitnesses, the ear witnesses, the police department, the fire department today, the facts, the figures, the behavior of george zimmerman, the positioning of trayvon martin's body, the gunshot wound to the chest, the gun positioning on george zimmerman's holster. so next week it's all about --
what is it? the science of it? what should we expect now? >> i'm being told jury is leaving the room. what time is court over, guys? they haven't announced officially yet. why would they let the jury go? >> a matter that needs to be taken up outside of the jury. there's obviously an evidentiary issue that's at play now. they need to have a record of it and the easiest way to do it is to send the jury out. >> this witness becomes important because the severity of the injuries, what injuries did he have, didn't he have? they have to figure out how to bring that back in. >> so next week, what do we expect? >> science, medical science, maybe forensic science. most good prosecutors will put up that evidence, they have to put up that evidence. it will be a little dry but they'll come back maybe the following week for the punch. i bet they saved some good witnesses for that week.
>> there's a lot more to come in this case. it's very early. but you can see how close it on both sides. >> thank you guys so, so much. we're going to stay in this continuous coverage. i'm going to pass things off to my colleague in washington, jake tapper. "the lead" starts right now. >> good afternoon, everyone. this is jake tapper from "the lead." we have a lot of news to get to today. but right now we're watching scenes from the courtroom in the murder trial of george zimmerman, accused of murdering trayvon martin, an unarmed teen-ager. the jury is being escorted out right now and the attorneys are speaking with the judge in a private side bar. so we're going to review the very interesting developments today. the murder trial has brought a renewed focus to issues of race, racial profile, self-defense and captivated the country, not just because of what we know but for all the things we don't know and possibly never will. prosecutors are out to