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george zimmerman's best friend takes the stand in b the second-degree murder trial. we're bringing you up to the minute developments and live testimony. we're also following other big news stories. protesters packs the streets of cairo. they are calling for the egyptian president to resign. a man without a country. more governments say no to edward snowden's request for asylum. we begin with a president trying to hang onto power and the millions of protesters who want him out. that is the situation.
you're looking at the live pictures. this is out of egypt. an important u.s. ally in this unstable region. you have crowds that are jammed into square. opponents giving morsi until this evening to step down. if he does not they plan to march on the presidential palace. the military has given both sides until tomorrow to work out their differences. mr. morsi shows no sign of giving him. today president obama urged him to call for early elections and he warned the military against playing out a coupe. what is taking place on the ground now, reza? >> reporter: i'm having a tough time hearing you but let me describe this scene outside the presidential palace where the crowds are getting bigger and louder. you get the sense they feel they are getting close to
accomplishing this unlikely mission of toppling president morsi and the muslim brotherhood from power. they are getting excited because the clock is ticking for the deadline on wednesday. they told the government and opposition factions that you have two days to resolve this conflict and fix things. otherwise they said they were going to step in and put forth a road map out of this conflict. they would supersize it. over the past 24 hours really nothing has changed. indications are if we're getting closer to arm forces stepping in there are reports that the arm forces are giving a few more details about what would happen tomorrow if this conflict is not resolved. the armed forces would suspend egypt's controversial constitution that's months old.
they would dissolve parliament and set up some sort of counsel that would take over the leadership for another transition. who would have thought two and a half years ago when egypt went through this historic revolution we would be on the urge for egypt's revolution part two. >> reza, if you could explain, i know we're hearing those loud noises in the background, what you're hearing and whether or not you think if morsi doesn't step down, if he says i'll call for early elections, will that be good enough for the crowds to leave peacefully? >> reporter: that's still an unknown but his options seem to be running out. if he stays put and defies the military's orders then not only is he going against the opposition factions, the liberals, the moderates and even
supporters of the old regime he could be going up against forces too. he could reach out and say let's have early elections. that seems to be an option. if you get a sense from the people behind us they get the sense that's not going to happen and it's unlikely. you would think there would be meetings between the president, arm forces and opposition factions. that's not happening. that signals that's not an option. >> all right. we're going to get back to you. we see fireworks and what looks like a light show behind you. let us know if that turned into something violent. president obama is urging president morsi to hold elections. he said the government should represent all egyptians including those people you saw in the streets. i want to bring in my colleague wolf blitzer. it's a difficult situation the united states is in for decades. now you've got the first
democratic elected president in decades here and they want him to go. what kind of leverage does president obama have when he says hold the elections early. make this thing happen. >> i'm sure the u.s. has some leverage over president morsi. what's happening on the streets of cairo and other places in egypt is much more powerful. also what's happening in the egyptian military is an important institution in egypt. that's a lot more important than the u.s. and the 1.5 billion that u.s. taxpayers provide egypt in military assistance, economic assistance every year. what's happening right now is so much more important. these past couple of years has seen a disaster unfold in egypt. the economy is in ruin. unemployment has skyrocketed. there's no tourism in egypt
right no which was a source of so much currency and work for egyptia egyptians. this is an awful situation. it looks like president morsi will have to step down and call for new elections or this escalating tension will get way, way out of control. >> wolf, we know the president has options. is it possible he could use that aid to egypt as a tool, as leverage to force the president to either have early elections or step aside? >> most of that u.s. aid and it's significant, more than billion and a half dollars a year goes to the egyptian military. there's some foreign aid for economic development and social needs and stuff like that. that's a few hundred million dollars basically but most goes to the egyptian military and right now it's the egyptian military that the u.s. is counting on for all practical purposes to try to get stability
and try to get coordination. a lot of those egyptian generals many of them spent quality time in the united states over these past several years training whether at ft. hood or these other places. thst the egyptian military that the u.s. is relying on right now to bring some sort of stability back to that country. >> we're going to be paying close attention to what happens over the hours and days to come. it's going to be critical. crews are struggling to get control of the arizona wildfire. that's the one that killed the 19 firefighters. right now officials are holding a news conference. at last check the fire was 0% contained. that's right, 0%. it's burned more than 8,000 angers. the military is sending in four
specially equipped planes to try to help put out that fire. we'll be listening ahead. also, a look at the grueling job of those firefighters. edward snowden casting his net pretty wide. this is to search for a country that will take him. he put out this release naming 21 kcountries. his options are dwindling because some have already said that's not going to happen. russia, poland, india have said no. other countries including germany says he can't ask unless he is within the borders. that rules him out. which country is a front-runner in the snowden asylum lottery.
does he have any idea? do we have any idea? >> the leading candidate at this point would probably be venezuela. they have indicated that they would be open to giving him a visa but one of the problems is and this is plagued him, he's technically many this no man's land, in this limbo at the airport and he doesn't have a way to get to those countries. most countries that would be open to giving him some type of asylum require him to physically be in the country or be in the embassy which is considered the territory of a country and he cannot do that. that's one of the complications. the state department has been reaching out to countries that possibly might be destinations for mr. snowden.
they won't say precisely which countries they have been talking to but a senior official saying we're not going to list them but we have been in touch with the countries he might transit or might serve as a final destination. it's pretty obvious they are talking to any country that may be on the list. >> other countries that are real possibilities are ecuador and venezue venezuela. do we have any sense they are in the process of granting him asylum? >> venezuela and the president was -- i believe he is still, he might have just left but he was in moscow and he spoke about this. very critical of the united states. very open to the possibility of getting a visa to snowden but then again saying he hasn't
received an application in snowden. i think you'd have to say they would be -- venezuela would be one of the countries. their relationship with the united states is complex. it's been kind of improving. you'd have to look at the leverage the united states has with them. >> thank you so much. here is also what we're working on. he says he's the best friend of george zimmerman. we're talking about mark osterman. you see the big screen is where we're going to bring you in about 15, 20 minutes. plus, we're going to take you inside the dangerous world of elite fire fighting teams. these are the guys known as hot shots. what it takes to join the ranks and what kind of job they face, up next. and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members
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this is pretty unusual. this is something you don't see on an international trip. president obama and former george w. bush standing side by side in tanzania. they were laying a wreath to honor the people killed. it's president obama's last stop on his tour. during the trip president obama praised bush for his efforts in africa while bush backed him on criticizing the nsa leaker. they are on a tour. they're pushing for gun control but former congresswoman gabrielle giffords and her husband are showing their
support for the second amendment by firing guns. it was her first time firing a weapon since a gunman shot her and killed six others. she and her husband are visiting seven states to push for expanded background checks on gun purchases. they're calling it the rights and responsibility tour. they visited a gun range in vegas yesterday and today they're in alaska. crews battling the arizona wildfire that killed 19 firefighters. they are now getting some more help. a pentagon official says the military is sending four specially equipped c-130 planes. this plane has already arrived. this the the yarnell hill fire. it's scorched more than 8400 acres. that's about 13 square miles. we're talking about extreme heat and shifting winds. it's all made it tough to goat
in and get handle. the fire fighting planes will be able to drop 3,000 gallons or fire retardant in less than five seconds. 19 firefighters who died in arizona were part of this elite group. they were known as hot shots. some compare them to special op forces or in the navy seals. we see what it's like to be one of the best. >> reporter: when hot shots get the call they head to the center of a blazing wildfire, an inferno that often times only they can stop. hot shots go where equipment can't. these elite fire fighting teams are specially trained to use chain saws to clear brush and cut a fire line through the dirt. a line that could stretch a mile long. it's their job to hold that line. john seeger is a former hot shot. >> when the fire burns up to
that line the fire will put out embers. some of the crews do cross the line and the crew will patrol the line and look for those embers and try to get to them. >> reporter: he likes them to military special ops units. he says they're the best of the best in wildfire suppression, highly motivated and highly trained, which is why they get the toughest assignments. >> they're physical fitness training prior to the season and if it's a slow season during the season includes running, long endurance hikes. any types of push ups, sit ups, cardi, physical fitness. >> reporter: there's a rigorous physical fitness test including a three-mile hike in 45 minutes while carrying a 45 pound pack
and a mile and a half run in ten and a half minutes. because of the physical endurance required most hot shots tend to be younger in their 20s and 30s. it's certainly not easy. they're on call 24/7 during fire season about six months out of year. they're sent to where the terrain is most severe and the weather is hot and dry. they are exposed to wind and dust and all kinds of poisonous plants. crews sleep on the ground and if they are lucky they get to shower every couple of days. the job keeps them away from home several weeks at a time working 14 days on and two days off. the hours are long too stretching into 16 hour shifts. >> they travel all over the country. it's very difficult. it's very difficult to maintain a family life. our firefighters adjust to that. families adjust to it just like families in the military service
adjust to it. it's not an easy life. >> reporter: the u.s. forest service says hot shot crews began in california in the late 1940s. they got their name hot shot from always being in the hottest part of the fire. this isn't the first devastating loss they've suffered. back in 1994 nearly 20 years ago, nine members of the primeville oregon hot shot were killed when they were trapped fighting a colorado fire on storm king mountain. some firefighters tried to survive by wrapping themselves in fireproof shelters like these just like the 19 killed in arizona. while all hot shot team members tend to love the out doors and thrive on a challenge, they know the dangers and what can happen when the windshifts. >> our thoughts and prayers to the 19 families who lost those hot shots from that fire. we'll be right back. my asthma's under control.
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follows hours of detective from police detective chris serino. he's critical because he's the lead investigator. he conducted three interviews including a video walk through where trayvon martin was killed. i want to bring in george howell outside the courtroom. first of all, i want to reverse this. the person we most recently saw was the best friend. his testimony he describes zimmerman was wide eyed and detached. what do you think is the significance of the portrait that he played for the jurors? >> reporter: when you look at mr. osterman it's important for two different reasons. we're getting insight into those moments immediately after the shooting. we're hearing that george zimmerman seemed detached. his wife seemed upset about what happened. this is the same person who wrote the book defending your best friend, the most hated man
in america. he wrote that book. he says george zimmerman told him point by point exactly what happened on february 26th, the night of that fatal shooting of trayvon martin. the story goes like that. he says that zimmerman reached for his phone to call 911. then he says that martin ambushed zimmerman and punched him in the face. zimmerman fell to the ground, trayvon martin on top and martin started throwing punches and also martin put one hand over his mouth, one over his nose and started to reach for the gun. i want you to listen to this sound bite here. >> you quoted him as saying he took his hand covering my nose and saying something at that point, correct? >> he did. >> he said, what words did you utter? >> he said you're going to die and he used the mf term again. i'm sorry. i don't like to curse in front of ladies. >> for the record he used the
words you're going to die [ bleep ]? >> correct. >> reporter: what that does is according to osterman martin reached for the gun. the prosecution holds there was no dna evidence on that gun. this could very well open the door for a ballistics expert, for dna expert to step on to the stand and explain their part to this jury that there was no dna from trayvon martin on that weapon. >> george, let's talk about serino's testimony. he testifies that he thinks that george zimmerman was telling him the truth when he laid out the story to him on numerous occasions. that's not usually the place for the lead detective to be talking about truthfulness of the defendant. do we have a sense of who this might benefit? >> reporter: right after the bat you could tell the prosecution was upset about this. they said for the defense attorneys to ask this lead
investigator if he thought george zimmerman was credible and truthful but that couldn't be allowed. you'll remember he said he did. the judge agreed with the prosecution this morning. they told the jury to ignore that question and to ignore that answer. >> george, we'll get back to you. we're going to take a quick break. we'll be back in the courtroom after the break. to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. and now i've got to take more pills. ♪ yup. another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. ♪ [ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap.
burglarized her run through our backyard with their belongings and even though my wife wasn't certain wt happened, it was enough to scare her. i promised her i would do what i could to keep her safe. >> your gun was legal? you had a legal weapon in the state of florida? >> yes, sir. >> why did you feel the need to carry a gun? a lot of people maybe have a weapon inside their home but you decided to carry yours. why did you think it necessary to have a weapon with your and did you carry it at all times? >> i carried it at all times except for when i went to work. >> a lot of this case has to do with stand your ground. you've heard a lot about it. i was just curious, prior to this night, this incident, had you even heard stand your ground? >> no. >> on the -- it was very
interesting, the 911 call that everybody has heard you said that all of a sudden you found somebody that looked suspicious. he may be on drugs. that was one of the earlier comments. what made you think he was suspicious? and what made you think he might be on drugs? >> i felt he was suspicious because it was raining. he was in between houses, cutting in between houses and he was walking very leisurely for the weather. i didn't -- it didn't look like he was a resident that went to check their mail and got caught in the mail and hurrying back home. he didn't look like a fitness fanatic that would train in the rain. he just seemed like -- >> he was walking. he wasn't standing still and walking closer to the house which is back from the sidewalk? >> yes, sir. >> am i understanding that
right? >> the overhangs are just in front of the doors. >> you said he came towards you and he seemed to reach for something in his waistband? did you think it was a gun? >> i thought he was just trying to intimidate me. >> to make you think there's a gun? >> a weapon >> of some kind? >> possibly. >> you said something's wrong with him. he's checking me out. i don't know what his deal was. it's almost from the very beginning you felt, you say on that 911 tape you felt threatened at that moment when you said that to the dispatch? >> not particularly. >> what did you mean with i don't know what his deal is. he's checking me out. >> the way he was coming back. i was on the phone but i was certain i could see him saying something to me and his
demeanor, his body language was confrontational. >> do you remember what it was that you said specifically on the tape? >> no. >> you said, then we get to the issue where you said he's running. you said that to the dispatch. is there any chance as you look back on that night and what happened trying to maybe get into the mind set because we have learned that trayvon was speaking with his girlfriend at that time that maybe he was afraid of you and didn't know who you were? >> no. >> you don't think -- why do you think he was running then? >> maybe i said running but he was more -- >> you said he was running? >> he was like skiping. going away quickly. he wasn't running out of fear. >> you could tell the difference? >> he wasn't running. >> he wasn't actually running? >> no, sir. >> that's what you said to the dispatch that you thought he was
running. at that point we could hear the unbuckling of the seat belt and this dispatch asks you at that point and this became a very keep moment that everyone in the media focused on and the dispatcher asked you are you following him and you said yes. explain that. >> i meant that i was going in the same direction as him to keep an eye on him so i could tell the police where he was going. i didn't mean that i was actually pursuing him. >> this moment where someone suggested you were out of breath on that tape, you were not running? >> no, sir. >> you made a statement to the police that it was the wind as you were getting out of car and moving and that's the sound you haerks not you out of breath? >> yes, sir. >> welcome back. we continue with more of my interview. what did you do with that moment
forward? this is where we get in that minute gap. what did you do when the dispatch said we don't need you to follow him? what did you do next? >> i walked across the sidewalk onto my street, retreat view circle where i thought i would meet a police officer that i called. >> you did not continue to follow him? >> no, sir. >> all right. you continue from there, you sounded a little bit distracted. were you looking for him? >> i wanted to make sure that i believe they asked me for my address. i wanted to be sure that nobody was lingering and could hear my address and come back. i was making sure there was no one surprise me and just trying to give them an accurate
location. >> they said could we meet you here at a certain location. you said have them call me. >> yes. >> why did you want them to call you? >> i hadn't given them a correct address. i gave them the clubhouse vicinity. however, i was walking through to my street, retreat view circle. i was going to give them the actual number and name. >> how long was it george after that that you saw trayvon again? you said you stopped. you did not continue pursuing him. when did you next see trayvon martin? >> less than 30 seconds. >> okay. where were you? where exactly were you at that point and how far way were you from your car at that moment? >> i guess about 100 feet or more. >> you never went further than how far approximately from your car? >> i estimate it to be approximately 100 feet.
>> you never went further than that from the car? >> no, sir. >> at that point trayvon, all of a sudden you turn around and there he was? >> yes, sir. >> what happened next? >> he asked me what my problem was? >> expletive problem? >> yes, sir. i was wearing rain jacket and i put my cell phone in my jacket pocket as opposed to my jeans pocket where i normally keep it and i immediately went to grab my phone to call 911 instead of nonemergency. when i reached into my pants pocket because that's where i keep it out of habit it wasn't there. i was shocked. i looked up and he punched me and broke my nose. >> one shot? >> yes. >> he said to you you have expleti expletive, you have a problem? >> do you have a problem.
what's your problem? >> you said i don't have a problem. >> yes, sir. >> you reached for your phone? >> i reached for it as i was saying i don't have a problem. >> at that point you just got hit? >> he was already within arms length. >> was that the punch in the nose that broke your nose? >> yes, sir. >> right there and you went immediately down to the ground? >> i don't remember if i went immediately or if he pushed me to the ground but i ended up on the ground. >> what do you remember happen from there? there were police reports and descriptions that you gave and you were dazed. >> you've been watching, this is a recorded interview of george zimmerman by sean hannity. this is during the live trial of george zimmerman. we'll take a quick break and bring you more after a few moments. neutrogena® wet skin kids. ordinary sunblock drips and whitens. neutrogena® wet skin cuts through water. forms a broad spectrum barrier
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>> we heard the screams on the one recording from the neighbor that was calling the police and there's >> that was my voice. >> absolutely. that was your voice sm. >> yes, sir. >> and the police even said at one time they heard 14 screams, you were screaming that loud? >> yes, sir. >> and you said to the police at one point that he put his hand over your mouth. do you think that was to silence you from screaming? >> yes, sir. i believe that he -- from what the investigators told me, he knew that i was talking to the police and i was yelling so that i believe the police officer was there and they just couldn't find me so i was yelling in the hopes that they were in the vicinity and they would come when they heard me. >> do you remember when you, yourself, reached for your weapon?
do you remember that moment? >> yes, sir. >> tell us about that. >> at that point i realized that it wasn't my gun, it wasn't his gun, it was the gun. >> did he say anything because you said he was talking a lot about the gun. did he say he noticed the gun? >> he said, you're going to die tonight [ bleep ] and took one hand off of my mouth and i felt it going down my chest towards my belt and my holster and that's when i -- i didn't have anymore time. >> do you think he acted more out of a conscious thought? i mean, i know these events happened very quickly. do you remember consciously thinking, i've got to grab my gun, or did you just do it? was there a conscious thought that went through your head that you thought you were going to die and that you had to take this -- you had to get your weapon and fire? >> i'd love to give you an
answer. >> you don't know? >> it just happened so quickly. >> now there was an eye witness that was out from the very beginning that, in fact, did tell the police the night of the shooting that he saw trayvon on top of you and did see the beating. there is no witness to the actual shooting itself, right? >> correct, besides myself. >> besides yourself? >> yes, sir. >> when you think back and -- there was one report or a police report that actually said you didn't know after you fired, you didn't think -- you thought you missed? >> i didn't think i hit him, yes. >> yeah. >> so what -- so what happened immediately after the shooting then, george? i understand one guy came out, he said he had a flashlight, that he spoke to you, and you said to call your wife, tell her what happened, i shot somebody. do you remember that conversation? >> the conversation i had with the gentleman or -- >> yeah. >> yes, sir. >> you do remember that
conversation. and he did talk about it, and his suggestion was is that you were very matter of fact about it. do you remember what you said to him? do you think nurp a state of shock? did you know that trayvon -- when did you know that trayvon had died? >> when i went -- probably about an hour after i got to the police station. >> after the shooting did you -- and you saw that he was laying there and obviously injured, there was a moment where you realized that he was shot? >> like i said, he sat up and he said something to the effect of, you got it or you got me. i assumed he meant, okay, you got the gun, i didn't get it. i'm not going to fight anymore. at which point i got out from under him. >> is there anything you regret? do you regret getting out of the car to follow trayvon that night? >> no, sir. >> do you regret that you -- you had a gun that night? >> no, sir. >> do you feel you wouldn't be here for this interview if you
didn't have that gun? >> no, sir. >> you feel you would not be here? >> i feel that it was all god's plan and for me to second guess it or judge it -- >> is there anything you might do differently in retrospect now that time has passed a little bit? >> no, sir. >> you know, the detective said, you know, that you had -- >> going to take a quick break. you've been watching and listening to an interview george zimmerman was undergoing through shawn hannidy. this was back july 18th, 2012. we'll get right back to the live testimony in just a minute after this quick break. we also produce natural gas. that's how we make our living and that's how we can pass the land and water back to future generations. people should make up their own mind what's best for them. all i can say is it has worked well for us.
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like they do in every other aspect of their lives. go back to the live george zimmerman trial. let's listen in. >> 15 to 30 seconds. >> it was that quick? >> yes, sir. >> they were already on their way. they were there in 15 or 30 seconds. what do you make of all the national media attention in this
case, the crimes that happen every day, the nation is focused on your case. why do you think that is and what do you make of it and what does it mean to you? >> it's surreal. i don't like that they've rushed to judgment the way they have. i feel that any time they have a story that's remotely positive, they interpret it negatively. >> you had called police on at least four prior occasions and had mentioned black male suspects. i want to give you a chance to respond why you called, what were those instances and how. >> the -- i also stated that and i never volunteered that information. it was always at their request that i describe them and even when i described them i didn't volunteer their race until they
asked me. and there was also hispanic kids, some white kids that were in the neighborhood. >> that you made calls about? >> yes, sir. >> let me ask you this. i want to go back to someone specific case if i can. i want to go back to the dispatch call. you said you stopped. you didn't follow him. as you look at the grounds where this took place, there's the apartment, there's the overhangs and then there's another street on the other side. you had gone to the other street, correct? >> yes, sir. >> -- at some point? how do you get to the other street if you're not following him? where were you going at that point? >> i was walking from where i had parked my car towards my street. he went right down in between the houses. i walked straight across. >> in that sense were you
following him? >> no, sir. >> you weren't following him? >> no, sir. >> and this is after the 911 call. >> during. >> during the 911 call. >> when they stated we don't need you to do that. >> why were you walking back to your street and not back to the car at that point? >> i'm trying to get the chronology. >> certainly. where i had parked my car was the back of townhouses. there wasn't a way to know what the street number was and i knew if i walked straight through, it's a circle. if i walked straight through to there, that would be retrieve circle and i could tell them exactly, 1, 2, 3, 4 retrieve circle and not just a general area where my car was like i had area where my car was like i had done previous. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com
all right. so i'll open my mic and say hello to you. i am brooke baldwin as we are watching and waiting as we have bins been continuing this live coverage of the george zimmerman trial. let me roll back and explain to you what you have seen or if you're just joining us. what they're doing is they've just come back from this lunch recess. for the last ten minutes or so they have been showing inside this courtroom the shawn hannity interview. this interview happened the 18th of july which hasn't even been a year since then in which mark o'meara, his defense attorney,