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bush are in africa working to renovate a cancer clinic there and out front was there. got a rare interview with them. the bushes told robin about their efforts to help african women and the former president weighed in on nelson mandela and edward snowden and you can watch the entire interview at front. it's a great one. i recommend it. thanks for watching tonight, everyone. it's been great to have you live. i'll hand things over to "ac i'll hand things over to "ac 360" which starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- good evening. you saw it with your own eyes, the bleeding scalp and nose. were they serious? the medical examiner weighs in and experts weigh in tonigh also, in the hour ahead a "360" exclusive, mark o'mara joins me talking about his cross-examination and highly effective in response to the questions the prosecution is
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raising about his client's credibility. later, a story of survival from the arizona inferno, how a single member of the elite team of hot shots made it out alive when 19 others did not. we begin with the zimmerman trial and a key day for the prosecution. try to knock down the notion that george zimmerman fired the shot that killed martin in self-defense. central to that prosecution effort, refeuding the crimes trayvon martin repeatedly slammed his head into the sidewalk. our own forensic experts weighs in but first martin savidge has more. >> reporter: prosecutors switch from using zimmerman's words against him to his injuries. >> are the injuries to the back of the defendant's head consistent of having been repeatedly slammed into a concrete surface? >> no. >> reporter: the medical examiner testified zimmerman's wounds were not threatening and didn't reflect a person whose head had been repeatedly slammed
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against the ground. the key reason zimmerman gave for shooting trayvon martin. >> how would you classified the injuries to the defendant's head? >> they were not life threatening. they were very insignificant. they did not require any sue tours to be applied to mr. zimmerman, so as i would refer to them insignificant injuries. >> reporter: defense attorney mark o'mara said valley rao owed her job to the prosecution in the case. >> it's your position at least consistent that george zimmerman may have only received as little as three -- did you call -- what term did you use? smashing? >> sir? >> slamming, three slamming into cement. >> i didn't use the word slamming. >> i'm sorry, i thought it was your word. >> no, i got that from the reenactment. >> what would you use to describe what happened to the
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head that you say hit cement? >> impact. >> impact. so it's your position that there are at least three impacts between that head and cement? >> yes. >> okay. >> concrete. >> reporter: earlier, zimmerman's best friend took the stand. mark ostraman convinced zimmerman to buy a gun and housed zimmerman and shelley after the shooting and wrote a book about the case. >> you wrote a book and were you quoted what the defendant george zimmerman told you, correct? >> correct. >> and you wrote do you have a problem, that's what you said trayvon martin said? >> right, correct. >> reporter: he said martin tried to reach for the weapon on his hip, actually touching the gun. >> the defendant is claiming that the victim actually grabbed the gun, correct? >> that was my understanding, that he grabbed the gun. >> reporter: but a print technician found no trace of his prints on the slide of the gun but conceded rain or other factors could wash prints away.
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>> so that fingerprints may have existed on an item that you would lift a latent from and there wouldn't be any, correct? >> that's correct. >> even though the gun has been handled by one, two or three people. >> reporter: and said zimmerman judged on the back fearing martin might be a threat but the teen's hands were folded under his body. >> do you recall in that photograph the victim's hands being underneath his body? >> yes, sir, yes, sir. >> did someone say that was inconsistent with the defendant's statements that his hands were straight down and put his hands out? >> that positioning, yes. >> reporter: the day began with the jury being told to ignore a key moment of monday's testimony. >> in truth of the va rasty rsh.
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>> reporter: when o'mara got the lead investigator to say he believed zimmerman told him the truth. >> a lot to get to tonight. let's start with the medical evidence. joining us tonight is forensic scientists and legal analyst and former federal prosecutor sunny hosten and mark co-author of mistrial and a look how the criminal justice system works and sometimes didn't. we heard the medical examiner say zimmerman's wounds were not significant. you disagree with that? >> i think first of all, she's judging based on a photograph. she didn't examine george zimmerman and it is true that the wounds appear to be super official. however, you know, she not a neurologist. if she was actually a practitioner taking care of human beings, she probably would have asked for radio graphic evidence there wasn't some underlying trama to the brain,
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maybe a hematoma. they appear super official but it doesn't take away from the fact he was slammed or pushed, shoved up against the sidewalk and sustained injury and it -- to him, it felt like he was -- his life was in jeopardy. i think that's a possibility. >> sunny, zimmerman said several times he was repeatedly slammed on the concrete by trayvon martin. i want to listen to more of what she said today. >> dr., rao, using your definition of slamming, your common understanding of slamming, are the injuries to the back of the defendant's head consistent with having been repeatedly slammed into a concrete surface? >> no. >> why not? >> because if you look at the injuries, they are so minor that to me, the word slam implies great force and this -- the result in injuries are not great force. >> what type and extent of
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injuries would you expect to see if the defendant's head had been repeatedly slammed into a concrete surface? >> so if somebody's head is repeatedly slammed against concrete with great force, i would expect lacerations. i would expect a lot of injury that would bleed profusely that would necessitate sue touring and i don't see that in this picture. >> sunny, do you think her testimony was a clear win for the prosecution? >> absolutely. i mean, this information is so important, anderson, to the prosecution because george zimmerman is saying that he was in imminent threat of death or feared great bodily injury. well, they have to prove that, that that isn't true, and if they can prove that those injuries were insignificant, that an objective person wouldn't feel they were in imminent threat of death or great bodily injury, and if the jury believes that, then his
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self-defense claim is on shaky grounds. so this evidence is extremely important. >> are you saying you can't tell based on those photos, the medical examiner examining from the photos, whether or not those were enough lacerations to explain being slammed multiple times? >> i think you can actually take a fall, bang your head against the sidewalk, and come down with this kind of hematoma situation. i think it -- certainly, the wounds appear to be super official but that doesn't mean there isn't some underlying trama more serious -- >> but if your head is slammed repeatedly on a sidewalk, wouldn't you have more lacerations as the medical examiner said? >> not necessarily. while your head is being slammed, you're trying to push up against it, i'm not convinced that -- that what she is saying, her observation negotiates what he -- what george zimmerman is claiming. >> i want to bring in mark and jeff. mark, from a defense standpoint, how do you think the prosecution did today?
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you've been critical of the prosecution making their case thus far, how do you think they did today? >> larry has hit this and being circumspeck because this is almost silly there are prosecutors all throughout this country who would take those exact injuries and are charging people with assault with a deadly weapon with great bodily injury in courtrooms across this country. that's what i said about this case. they turned the law in the courtroom on it's head. this is like a defense witness who looks at a photograph and says, well i wasn't there but i'm opining it wasn't a very big -- or a large impact. it's non-sense. i defended cases where my clients are charged with murder for one hit, hitting the sidewalk and the person dies with less photograph evidence than we have here. this is non-sense. if i didn't know better, i would think the prosecution is
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throwing this case and they really don't want to win it because so far, i haven't seen anything that makes sense to me for a murder prosecution. >> i think it's -- it struck me of more of a wash because especially on cross-examination. this medical examiner said yes, it could have been repeated strikes. yes, it could have been multiple punches from trayvon martin. yes, it could have been several hits against the sidewalk, so she didn't know what happened. so i just don't think the jury can conclude much of anything based on her testimony. >> but jeff, jeff, isn't a wash in a criminal case where the prosecution is trying to prove the case? i always say, the tie goes to the runner, the tie goes at the defendant. this is more like defense evidence. it's notprosecutors are doing in normal courtrooms -- >> i think you're exaggerating -- i think you're exaggerating it was that bad. >> i'm telling you based on my -- >> i want to talk more about this forensic evidence.
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the testimony by the latent print examiner, i haven't heard that title before. does it really mean anything, that latent prints were not found on the gun? because the alleged friend of george zimmerman are saying that zimmerman told him and he wrote in his book that trayvon martin touched the gun, wouldn't there be prints? >> the general answer is no. guns aren't good media to recover latent prints and in fact, even george zimmerman's prints were not recovered. it was raining. rain could cause problems for the latent print examiner, but i think the reason that that expert had to be bought on is because jurors expect science in a case like this. they really want to see what science can do, and apparently, science can't do very much with this situation. i think it was a total wash. i didn't tell us anything one way or the otherer. >> we'll have a lot more from
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our panel at 10:00 tonight about an hour and 15 minutes. 10:00 for another "ac 360" report. self-defense or murder. much more ahead, including an interview with mark o'mara and a close look at whether or not trayvon martin grabbed george zimmerman's gun and we'll talk to a family attorney for martin's family. let me know what you think, follow me on twitter and we'll talk about it during the break. >> a military coo, the protest turned deadly. president obama got involved. a live update from this potential crisis when we continue. this is it. this is what matters. the experience of a product. how will it make someone feel?
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from the very beginning they would say they would show us zimmerman's lies. detective serina was a key witness and unfolded zimmerman's inconsistencies. >> i don't know anybody that thinks the detective thinks he was a strong witness for the prosecution. everybody discussing this case, my program and elsewhere, said they have never seen a police officer testify so favorably for the defense, the police officer called by the prosecution. >> i think what we have to remember the detective serina, whether or not this information gets to the jury it's important that he recommended manslaughter charges for zimmerman. >> what does that tell you? >> there was inconsistencies and he did not find george zimmerman's version of what happened credible and we heard him say that today and we have to remember we can't consider
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detective serin o's testimony in a vacuum but compare it with other witnesses to compare it. >> the fact that detective serino did not think a second-degree murder charge was warranted, doesn't that tell you given his look at the evidence he actually thought that as he's testified on the stand that zimmerman was pretty credible in the things he said, that his story actually held up? >> no, not at all, because as detective serino said, he was also in the initial stages of his investigation and the attorney pointed out today detective serino did not consider all of the evidence that is considered now. >> trayvon martin's parents have been there every day. how are they doing? are they confident with the prosecution's case thus far? >> they are confident with the prosecution's case. it's been an emotional toiling
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time for them. to hear their son cry for help repeatedly. hearing your child scream for help and not being able to do anything to help him. >> i want to go back to the two police officer's testimony. there was a lot of talk yesterday or suggestion that perhaps their testimony because it was in a lot of people's opinions, clearly not yours but so favorable to the defense that this was some sort of pay back, almost for difficulties between the law enforcement and prosecution. >> you know, i didn't perceive it that way. i think that's pure speculation, and i think that we are going to see the prosecution bring the tangled web of lies home during the closing. >> but you talk about a tangled web of lies but that's not what the police themselves were saying, the police that investigated this in cross-examination by mark o'mara, it seemed pretty clear that the police officers felt like george zimmerman's statements held up. there were a few minor
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inconsistencies coming -- he said trayvon martin came out of the bushes, the location of his hands, et cetera, but overall, the police seemed relatively satisfied with what george zimmerman had told them time and time again. >> i think that these were not minor inconsistencies. some of the big inconsistencies where zimmerman claiming he was so severely injured he had to pull out a gun and kill trayvon, that's not what we heard from detective serino. he said he didn't believe zimmerman was punched 20 to 30 times. we heard the medical examiner said it wasn't consistent with someone punched a dozen times, maybe once, and had his head hit at a maximum of once, as well. so it is bringing into play zimmerman's inconsistencies. >> she's an attorney for the martin family. we try to present all sides.
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zimmerman defense counsel mark o'mara. there was an exchange between you and chris serino that took place in court and i want to play that for viewers. >> so if we took pathological liar off the table for purposes of this next question, do you think he was telling the truth? >> yes. >> how important was that answer to your case? >> well, you know, i respect the judge's ruling, but i think a chief investigating officer in a case when he has to try and determine credibility of witnesses, including the defendant, the suspect, then i think he should be able to give insight what he thinks doing his investigation, but it was sort of a comment on the credibility of another witness, and we have a rule that addresses that. >> i talked to an attorney for the martin family who said they were pleased with the testimony given by the lead investigator tore but every other an list i talked to on -- former prosecutors, former defense people, current defense attorneys, they say they have
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never seen a police officer testifying so favorably for a defense witness. are you pleased with how the cross-examination has gone, of what the police, particularly the lead investigator have told you? >> i'm very happy about is i think most of the witnesses we talked to have told the truth. if they are telling the truth and it's favorable to the defense, so be it. if they are telling the truth, we'll find justice at the end of the trial. i'm surprise the the martin's family thinks chris serin o's testimony was favorable to them, because it seemed like he was saying self-defense. >> whether zimmerman's crime until justice course work, if it can be admissible. i know you think it shouldn't be, why not? >> if they start bringing what was in george's background, his past to the table then it really brings in what trayvon martin brings to the table, his violent
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acts that we know about and fighting he was involved in. if that's not going to get on the table, then i think whatever george did in the background shouldn't be on the table as well. the suggestion that george heard something about stand your ground in course work where they have no idea whether george was present in the class and didn't get a good grade, either. textbook information doesn't have anything to do with florida law. >> there are inconsistencies in the statements zimmerman has given, trayvon coming out of the bushes, his position of hands have been raised. are those non-consequence l. >> whether he came out of the bushes or darkness, i don't think somebody that went through a tra mall tick event like george did will remember everything the best he k. i'm not too worried about that type of inconsistency. the idea about george having gone out and held his hands out in some form for five or ten
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seconds in mr. manalo showed up is consistent with the fact and the medical examiner can talk about it, martin could have put his hands back in. trayvon martin was clutching his hands. why would george make something like that up in the second that he had to do it, unless it actually happened? makes much more sense that it happened, trayvon martin clutched his hands back. >> seems the trial is moving fairly quickly. is the timeline going faster than you expected or about what you expected it to be? >> a bit faster than i expected. i think the state may be done tomorrow or friday and that means we'll start friday or mean and we'll probably take most of next week,i it's hard to say, maybe not there are still decisions the court has to make about admissibility of evidence. if that's allowed, that could extend the testimony by a couple of three days. >> how does your client feel about the trial? can you say? >> he's very afraid.
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the state of florida trying to take away his liberty. he's had to live in hiding for a year. he's worried and stressed. he's glad he finally has his day in court and this is very real to everyone, most importantly to george zimmerman, the state of florida suggesting he killed trayvon martin in some ill will or hatred and not sech defense. >> these tapes of your client talking to police, he gave his version of events without being cross-examined. you cannot see at this point putting zimmerman on the stand, can you? >> i always make that decision -- the first decision point is whether or not i believe the state has proven their case beyond a reasonable doubt. if they did, i make the consideration to put any client on the stand. i make that dynamically. i have not gotten to the point to convince myself that the state has done what they need to do to get this case to a jury. if they come up with something in the next day or two i may
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revisit that situation. >> do you see having a mount a lengthy defense here? >> we have a i lot of witnesses we want to present to the jury, to counter some of the suggestions or allegations thrown out there by the state. so we're going to put on a case. >> mark ocho 'mara, thank you. >> sure thing. the type of gun zimmerman used when he shot and killed zimmerman and what prosecutors may hope to prove about zimmerman's use of that particular weapon. and we remember the hero firefighters that gave their lives protecting the people of arizona, including two cousins who perished while doing what they love to do and the latest from egypt ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] some things are designed to draw crowds. ♪ ♪ others are designed to leave them behind.
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>> as we reported at the top of the program, george zimmerman's best friend took the stand as a prosecution witness. he's work in law enforcement for two decades and convinced zimmerman to purchase a gun. here is participant of his testimony. >> and it was actually you who asistered him when he decided that he need add firearm, correct? >> that is correct. >> and did he tell you the reason why he wanted to get a firearm? >> he -- he asked what would -- whether he should or shouldn't to start with. >> okay. >> and i recommended that he should, that anybody who is a non-convicted felon should carry a firearm. >> that's your sort of life philosophy? >> that's my opinion, correct? >> being armed is better than not armed? >> police aren't always there. >> the type of gun zimmerman purchased is easy to carry and
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conceal and he said to always carry it so zimmerman had it with him the night he encountered trayvon martin. what we know about this particular kind of gun and what prosecutors might try to move with zimmerman's use of it. >> reporter: if you are following the zimmerman case, you probably heard this sound before, that's the sound of a kel tec handgun, the one caught on the 911 phone call the night zimmerman killed martin. >> there is gunshots. >> you just heard gun shots? >> yes. >> reporter: zimmerman carried the gun legally but prosecutors seem to suggest he was doing more than that. >> was it necessary for the defendant to rack it, to load a round. it was ready to go. >> reporter: zimmerman had a bullet in the chamber and ready to fire. is this a sign he was planning to do harm when he encountered
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trayvon martin. one says he was doing what he was supposed to do. was he carrying it properly? >> properly, if i was ready to defend myself, you bet. >> reporter: he says this gun is designed strictly for personal protection, one of the cheaper guns on the market selling for between 300 and $400, ready to be concealed and ready to shoot. it's called carrying hot. >> you recommend to your students to carry this one hot? >> absolutely. >> reporter: because it has a safety feature, an extra long trigger pull that prevents accidental firing but watching this trained marksman, that's not all it does. -off missed. >> i know. it's not real tective. >> reporter: it's also effective in close quarters, something else noted. >> have you heard a prosecutor raise these points before? >> no, i have not.
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>> reporter: they say state attorneys could target specific jurors by using the features of zimmerman's own gun against him. >> most people familiar with firearms, that line of argument would be unpersuasive but someone uneducated in the firear firearms, it could be persuasive. >> reporter: and risky. of the six zimmerman members, four have family members that own guns. kel tec handguns are popular in this part of florida. the home office is only 60 miles away from where zimmerman used to live. we contacted them for information on the gun, they did not reply. >> that's one of the things everybody watching in the next couple days, how the prosecution tries to use that fact about the g gun. let's get caught up on more, susan. >> a key provision of the affordable care act. the requirement that businesses
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provide their workers are health insurance will be delayed by one year. pen adrian sut penalties will begin in 2015. edward snowden's options for asylum are shrinking. 11 of the 21 countries he's applied to said they can't consider his request until he shows up on their embassy or border and three said out no right. venezuela said maybe. >> dennis rodman said he deserves to win a noble peace prize. rodman met with the dictator during his controversial trip to the country. >> we'll see about that one. thanks very much. again, a reminder at 10:00 tonight, we're going for the full hour in depth on the george zimmerman trial as an "ac 360". the hot shot that made it
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out of the fire on sunday alive. he was the on one alive to come out. excruciating for him. a loss for one family, robert and grant caldwell were among the shot shots that died, cousins, two young men with their lives ahead of them and the latest from egypt ahead. when you experience something great, you want to share it. with everyone. that's why more customers recommend verizon, america's largest 4g lte network. j.d. power and associates has ranked quicken loans highest in the nation in customer satisfaction... i say "family," because we've been blessed with this honor for 3 years in a row... rest assured we'll treat all of your mortgage needs
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in arizona, hundreds of firefighters trying to get control of the deadliest wildfire in the state's history, the one that killed 19 members, the granite mountain hot shots over the weekend. it's zero percent contained.
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cargo planes that can drop massive amounts of water or fire retardant over areas. the 20th hot shot, the only one to km out alive, we learned his name. brendon mcdonna. so what do we know about brendon? i can't imagine what it is like for him to have survived this and lost 19 brothers? >> yeah, just like you might imagine, anderson, he's having a very, very tough time. he's telling people in his inner circle, he's not speaking publicly about this but on his father's facebook page, he posted these pictures of his son a firefighter. proud of you son, glad you're alive. a widow of a crew mate, one of the crew mates that died that he is feeling guilty. now he was assigned to a lookout position thanks is accept brett from the rest of the crew. he was up in a higher position. he was watching the fire.
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the fire got too close to him. he had to move. he hid a trigger point. as he was moving, he was radioing the crew and at that point, then he lost contact with his crew. the fire department very clearly stating in a news conference in the last couple hours that he did exactly what he was supposed to do, this that this was a weather event, extraordinary weather event the fire department is talking about that led to the deaths of 19 firefighters. we spoke with a firefighter who came here to this memorial site. he fought fires with mcdonough and said he can't imagine who he is going through. here is what he told sglus it will be tough. he lost his crew and he's -- you know, i don't really know what to -- i couldn't put myself in his shoes. i count do it. >> reporter: now mcdonough released the statement through his job the fire department saying quote brendon would like
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to express his appreciation of that and that of his fallen brothers for the outpouring of support towards his organization and the firefightering community in general. he would like everyone to know that he is physically healthy and everybody can appreciate that he's working through the process of dealing this with loss and that could last for sometime. >> what is the latest on the fire? >> reporter: it is zero percent contained. there are ominous thunder clouds behind me. the winds are erratic. that's the biggest problem with fighting this fire, and that's what the -- they are looking at. something we want to point out, anderson, for the very first time in that news conference they did announce some sort of shift. there has been a tone shift and overnight they hope to announce progress, zero percent
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containment now but soon they hope they will say they made some sort of progress in knocking this fire down. >> appreciate it. we're learning more about the 19 young men that died mcdonough's hot shots. they knew the dangers of their job. they were heroes every time they faced a fire and will be remembered as heroes, as they should. it doesn't, of course, soften the pain of the loss. one family lost two men in the fire. gary tuck man reports. >> reporter: robert caldwell was 23 years old, so proud to be a hot shot fireman. when he died, he was still a newlywed. clara caldwell is his widow. >> he was an inspiration. he changed my wife. he made me want to be a better person, too. he was seriously the best person i met in my life, and i got to marry him. >> reporter: but the family's grief doesn't end there. robert's first cousin, 21-year-old grant mckee was also killed in the fire. he was engaged to be married.
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may hoffman is the grandmother of both. lorrie mckee is their aunt. >> it's really hard. it seems so surreal that they will just come back, don't you, mom? >> just kind of hope that i could wake up and it would be a really bad dream. >> reporter: there is so much pride for what grant and robert did to protect people. their relatives were always concerned when they didn't hear from them for hours of end while they were fighting fires, but family members knew grant and robert were doing what they loved, however, now the pain is so immense. >> i had hoped both of my boys died from smoke inhalation because i figured that would knock them out quick and they wouldn't know anything, and then she told me yesterday that my daughter linda, robert's mother asked where his dental records
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were and i figured if you need dental records, that means -- so i guess they were burned. >> we don't know. >> we don't know. >> we don't know yet, but you should take great comfort in the fact that your grandsons, your enou nephewed died heroes. >> exactly. >> reporter: kara says robert was her personal hero. >> he was the most beautiful, self-less, caring, self-less, i want to exaggerate how much he cared about people, everyone. he was so compassion et. his goal in life was to help people and we talked about it all the time. we talked about if he died, he would be missed and he said that's how he wanted to die. >> reporter: she has a five-year-old son from before she met robert and said robert loved him as much as she did.
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a testimony to the great man he was. >> i won't forget him, ever. >> reporter: may hoffman says her husband, the grandma died not that long ago, a man her grandsons loved very much, a man who would be beyond proud of both of his grandchildren. >> i like to think that when -- when they went to heaven, that he was there to greet them and i like to think of that. you know, i just imagine all that stuff, i see my mom, my dad, my husband, everybody -- when we get to paradise. >> okay. >> and i like to think that the boys are already in paradise. >> reporter: clara says when she and robert were married in november they discussed him quitting the hot shot but knows this job was so important to him and two weeks ago they went to dinner and looked robert in the eyes, you don't have to quit, you love this job too much. anderson? >> so devastating and your
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at least 11 people were kill including seven in clashes. in alexander ya they attacked each other. ben is in the square in cairo. ben, i know it's loud where you are and a lot going on behind you. president morsy saying he has a mandate and no intention to leave, he's willing to shed he has own blood. what is the reaction going on there? what's going on on the ground? >> reporter: well, the reaction here was very negative after the speech. we heard a lot of boos and a lot of things going off down there, people very unhappy. this was a speech to his base and they will feel reinveigh rated. it's been a rough couple days for the muslim brotherhood but what the faithfully in the ho h brotherhood say, for the first
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time in egypt history, the egypt standing up against the army. we don't know how the army will react but the certainly raises the temperature already quite a lot. as you mentioned, there are clashes in cairo, seventh people dead. this city is bracing for perhaps a very difficult night, anderson? >> who are the people behind you in the square? are they people that didn't vote for morsy the first time or disenchanted with him while he's been in office? what do they want and who are they? >> reporter: it's a mixture of people, and let's not forget that 52% of those who voted, voted for mohamed morsy in that election. that's why he won. but a lot of people were voting for him because they didn't want to vote for his opponent from the regime. others, in fact, are old regime
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loyalest. i'll tell you something, anderson, there aren't a lot of revolutionaries that we saw in this square two and a half years ago. these are people disappointfected with morsy, angry over the falling standards of living, fuel crisis, electricity cuts, the rising crime in the streets of cairo. so it's a real mix of people, but that is definitely unhappiness is on the rise. one opinion poll published says that 63% of those polled, saw their standard of living fall since president morsy came to power a year ago -- >> if the army steps in and forces him from power, what happens then? that's the military coo, isn't it? what would then occur? >> well, we shouldn't assume immediately they will force morsy from power. that's a very delicate act to
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do, given he was, in fact, legitimately elected and how the united states would act if that were the case. they may come up with -- fudge a solution that he stays in power but they compel him one way or another to bring in opposition figures, to call for early presidential and paramen tarry elections, to redraft the constitution. there is a raft of things the army would like him to do and people would like him to do, but what we heard in the speech is he's not about to do it. >> how much longer is his term? how much longer is he supposed to serve? >> reporter: he's supposed to serve for three more years and in his speech this evening he yet again said, i made make
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makmak -- mistakes and will try to correct them. the main part of the speech addressing his base, as you said, ready to shed blood to defend the office he was elected to a year ago. >> and the u.s. is calling on morsy and the opposition to resolve it situation politically, does that seem possible at this point? >> reporter: well, you know, the clock is ticking, anderson, 14 hours until that deadline runs out. what we may see with the mobilization with the opposition and brother hood supporters is sort of a card game where they throw the cards on the table saying we can mobile wise this, so the army will take them more seriously, when and if they actually get down to talking. but the army may not react very favorably to this act of defying
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by morys. first time in egypt's history that an egyptian president stood up to the army. coming up, "the ridiculist," we'll be right back. congestion, for it's smog. but there are a lot of people that do ride the bus. and now that the busses are running on natural gas, they don't throw out as much pollution to the earth. so i feel good. i feel like i'm doing my part to help out the environment.
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time now for "the ridiculist" and tonight we're adding anyone, anyone out there who may doubt that cher is awesome. i'm launching a prestrike for a skeptic, she's awesome not because she's a global icon or back with a new single, oh, no, she's awesome because she puts up with me and my borderline creepy behavior. i know cher not in the singing way but i do kind of know her and a few nights ago she was on bravo watch what happens live
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and you try keeping a 46-year-old gay man away from cher -- >> i'm assuming you had. oh my gosh it's a doorbell. come on. oh, my gosh, it's anderson cooper, everybody. >> i literally rushed down here -- i got off the air at 11:00 and i'm like i have to see cher. >> i show up unannounced, blathering like the over eager fan i am and she was totally cool. so what did i do? did i calm down and sit there quietly like a normal person would bask in her legendary sparkle? no. >> you watched c span a lot and used to call in -- c span -- the anchor would be on the air and there would be a voice saying like we're taking calls and be okay i'm calling from malibu. >> and they would be like is this cher? >> i'm like yes. >> yeah, i did my che rerks
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impression in front of cher. seriously, i don't not know what is wrong with me but who else would have the nerve to do that? not another cher super fan that will remain name less wolf blitzer. i'm a part time che rrkerks inp nay tore available for birthdays. nobody told me there would be a graphic. take that down, please, no, no, oh, man. back to bravo the other night, even my terrible cher impression didn't turn her against me. she didn't turn her role in moon struck or slap me across the face or snap me with her thong from the turn back time video, but unfortunately, that wasn't my only bizarre moment. >> my mom always wanted a girl, she had four boys so she called you her fantasy daughter so i
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grew inthinking am i related to cher? is cher my sister? >> her security started talking and motion towards me. i thought she would let me come live with her and braid her hair, which i totally would do. all you gypsys, take note, please god, don't show that graphic again. not just her talent, she actually does a lot in very quiet ways, the fact that cher puts up with me, anderson cooper, creepy fan girl and that makes me awesome and puts you on ridiculist if you're a doubter. join me at 10:00 for the george zimmerman trial coverage. george zimmerman trial coverage. here is piers morgan. -- captions by vitac -- who is the real george zimmerman? >> do you kno