tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN July 10, 2013 1:00pm-2:01pm PDT
we're still insidebar, but i'm going to hand over the reins of our liv coverage to the very capable jake tapper, whose program begins right now. good afternoon, this is jake tapper, this is "the lead." you're watches live continuous coverage of the george zimmerman murder trial, which has brought -- and self-defense, and captured millions. the court is in a sidebar. the defense wrapped up its case moments ago, and we learned the answer to one looming question -- would george zimmerman take the stand in his own defense? let's listen when the judge asked zimmerman about his intentions in court. >> did you now have sufficient ti to discuss with your attorneys whether or not you wanted to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> i don't need to know what was said, but after those discussions, have you made a decision? >> yes, your honor. >> what goes your decision, sir?
>> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> okay. you understand that no matter what counsel says to you, it's still your understand, do you understand that? >> yes, your honor. >> i need to know, is it your decision to not testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> are you making that decision freely and voluntary? >> yes, your honor. >> has anybody promised you to get you to make that decision? >> no, your honor. >> has anybody threatened you? >> no, your honor. >> this is clearly the decision you yourself have made? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you very much. here with us today, criminal defense attorney danny savalos, along with david weinstein, and in sanford, cnn legal correspond jean casarez who has been in the courtroom watching every minute. they are in sidebar right now, so let's -- david, i never thought he would take the stand.
i don't understand why they kept leaving it out there teasing us that it was a possibility. do you think this was a tactic by the defense team to throw off prosecutors? >> in part it was. >> there's no reason for him to take the stand, but you never can tell when something might happen, maybe the last witness on the stand. that's when you finally make your final decision and you know what? judge, i'm not going to testify. it puts the prosecution a bit off-guard. they don't know exactly when they're going to start. if you catch them off-guard, you might pick up an advantage as well. >> as you say, there's no reason he would need to testify. we've already had his videotaped testimony, aired before the
jury, audiotape, we've seen him recreate it, so he's basically got all the benefits of it. jean ka sarz. right after zimmerman said he would not testify, the defense pushed for an acquittal, which was denied. that's just following a standard procedure, i assume, but having spoken to them, do you think that they really actually thought they had a shot at an acquittal there? >> no, i don't think so. they're putting it on the record, which is extremely important, but the issue about george zimmerman testifying, as you know, it's his decision. if he wants to take the stand, he can take the stand. the judge started this yesterday, jake, because she actually had him stand up outside the presence of the jury, and spoke to him, saying i'm not going to ask you now, but i'm going to be asking you if you want to testify and if it's freely and voluntary made, so you want to think about it. then she started questions him
today and there were objections by don we had, because i go ahead the attorney felt it was not -- and he -- she made sure it was a freely and voluntary made on his part. jake, i think he wanted to testify. >> you think he wanted to testify? why do you say that? >> yeah. just what i saw in the courtroom, what i saw that i haven't made the decision yet. earlier today the judge said i haven't made the decision yet if i'm going to testify. that tells me he wanted to. >> criminal defense attorney danny savalos, prosecutors are yeo -- tell us about the first one. adam pollock, we know he was zimmerman's former trainer for mixed martial arts. where do you think the state is going with calling him forward? >> what they're trying to do -- this mixed martial arts issue is
fascinating. the only reason we're discussing it is because one witness described it in his own words as being what he observed. he likened it to mixed martial arts. the prosecution -- this is one of their best facts they have in a case full of bad facts for the prosecution, so they're going to blow this up to mushroom cloud proportions, to the extent they can to develop the theory that zimmerman was a vigilante, repleat with kung fu fighting ability. even though hess trainer said he was a 0.5 out of 10, he was trained nonetheless. >> and in fact, earlier today, we heard from a witness dennis root, calling himself a use of force specialist. he talked about how he didn't think that george zimmerman was very impressive at all in terms of his fighting ability. i guess, david, my question for you, as a former prosecutor is, they clearly now have had the
defense offer witness after witness essentially calling george zimmerman weak, a wimp, something who, i guess they're suggesting would never start a fight, much less be able to hold his own in a fight. they presumably will call pollock the trainer, who was advertising zimmerman, in terms of he's trying to sell his gym as a place where people can go to learning to fight like george zimmerman, i guess is the argument they're going to make. right? i want that's what they're going to try to do, but they need to be careful. they're going to stay away from information -- his bias, the fact he only did this and testified now so that he could promote himself as the guy that trained george zimmerman, but quite frankly he didn't do a very good job, because george zimmerman had to resort to deadly force in this fight that we don't know who started.
we heard the real evidence that the defense wants you to look at is he was attacked and getting his rear end kicked. this is not batman. he didn't know how to overpower his opponent. this is a guy who didn't do very well at pollock's gym, so i don't know that the prosecution will be able to get the mileage they want. if i'm pollock, i'm going to testify, i tried to train this guy, but he was still not a very good fighter. for viewers just tuning in right now, the court is in a 15-minute recess, we're hashing out some of the big moments of today's rapt momentous arguments in the george zimmerman murder trial. i want to show a clip. the prosecution brought out a proper earlier today, a mannequin to represent george zimmerman during the alter case. both sides used this dummy to re-create the interpretations of the events let's take a look.
roll that tape. >> were you aware that the defendant described to his best friend that when he slid down, that trayvon martin was up around his armpits? were you aware of that? >> no, i had not heard that. >> where would the gun be now? >> no it would be behind your left leg. >> were the injuries on mr. zimmerman consistent with someone doing this on cement? >> i don't think so. >> how about this? >> how about somebody resisting the intent. if somebody was resisting the pushing down lie this? >> i believe so. >> a lot of the use of the dummy was about the trajectory of the gun. walk you will through the points that you think the prosecute and defense were trying to make. >> reporter: i think what the
prosecution was trying to show is they were trying to discredit george zimmerman. if he in fact told his good friend that the legs of trayvon martin were up above the hips, how is george zimmerman going to get the gun to shoot him. we know he shot him, but he -- now, i think the point's made on both sides will be extremely important, just as you said, the trajectory of the shot based on where the parties were, because the prosecution brought into focus that maybe trayvon was trying to get away, was trying to stop the attack and get up from it all. but then you've got to look at the trajectory of the shot because on that point, george zimmerman is not in imminent fear of death. >> danny, one of the points that the prosecution seemed to make today was they seemed to be allowing there was an alternate
scenario, where trayvon martin was on top. they seemed to be conceding the point there might be people on the jury who believe that trayvon martin was on top, and now they're saying, well, what could have happened is he was on top, but then trying to get away, to back away. that seems to be a concession to the defense, don't you think? >> it's a clever piece of improv. the prosecution has done a terrific job with what i think would be considered difficult facts. however, that jury, when they get into the room, they're essentially advancing the theory to this jersey that first believe us that george zimmerman was on top, fighting mma style. if you don't believe that, move on to step 2 and believe if zimmerman was on the bottom, the facts are as we say it. i think if they can come up with two alternate theories, then we have already temperaturically gotten to the definition of reasonable doubt, which says if you find two theories equally
tenable, that's reasonable doubt. the strange thing here is usually it doesn't come both from the prosecution. >> right, and the defense, exactly. that's what's so interesting about the prosecution. i want to quickly go back to a point that the prosecution was just making before the court went into recess about -- that he trained zimmerman on his website. we have a screen grab of that website, if we can put it up. if you see there, it says zimmerman, and it talks about training george zimmerman at cocoa pelli's gym. david, i know you've said this is a treacherous, risky issue to bring up, but you can see why they would, right? if george zimmerman is weak as portrayed by pollock and others, why would he advertise it? >> they should have done this yesterday during cross-examination. >> do you think that matters to the jury? does the jury care about that? it's still information for them.
>> it doesn't matter to the jury, but it matters to the judge when she decides if she's going to let it in now. the chance was to bring it in yesterday. they took a gambled risk by holding off. if you asked that question on cross-examination, on redirect, the defense will get to rehabilitate him, so now they figure, all right, we're going to ask it during our case, and we're going to ask it while we're asking the questions, so we're going to ask those questions today to show bias and show that he made him out to be this great fighter. maybe a mistake on strategy. if you're going to bring it out, bring it up while he's out there and it's fresh on his mind. you show how he was being paid and how he came out. just move on that theme. keep it going when he's a fresh witness. now potentially they call him as the first witness out of the box, the judge agrees with the defense and says move on, ask him something else.
they ask another question, and he gets to testify to virtually snowing. we'll see what happens in the next couple minutes. we're going to take a quick break. you're missing nothing. when we come back, we'll go back live to the courtroom. we'll talk about that seemingly contentious relationship with the judge and don west. plus of course we're following many other stories, survivors of the boston terrorist attack face their alleged attacker for the first time today as tsarnaev was arraigned in a federal courthouse. cnn was in the courtroom and we'll give you the details, coming up. hmm...fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. yep, everybody knows that. well, did you know some owls aren't that wise? don't forget i'm having brunch with meghan tomorrow. who? meghan, my coworker. who? seriously? you've met her like three times.
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welcome back to the lead. the trial is expected to resume at any moment. it's been a long and contentious time in the courtroom, especially last night when judge nelson and the lawyers especially defense attorney don west squared off with the jury being excused while they were left to argue over whether to allow the defense to submit trayvon martin's text messages. judge nelson adjourned the court just before 10:00 p.m., and as she left the bench, don west, the attorney, could not hold his tong. >> we're not physically able to keep up this pace much longer. it's sock at night. we started this morning. we've had full days every day,
weeends, depositions at night. >> that was just one in a series of tense moments between the lawyers and deborah nelson. >> so how much longer do you think it's going to take? >> i'm going to ballpark it at 45 minutes. 45 minutes? no. mr. shoemaker has been standing -- it was going to be a short presentation. >> five, six hours -- and so have i. >> i want to bring in danny -- i know that don west used to be a dj in philadelphia before he became this legal giant. you could see flashes of that temperament of a dj more so than the temp rasual of a attorney in a courtroom. >> it's an adver sear process.
the judge understands that and the attorneys understand it. you have to understand each of these attorneys is so immersed in this case in a any ruling adverse to them seems like a gross miscarriage of justice, at least in our own minds. so clonalically, you have to understand after this much too many, the fa teeth -- and they believed they're being truly wronged. i have faith that judges as adver sears get between judge and counsel that judges, everyone, the litigants, understand it's just part of the adver sear process. >> how would you describe the atmosphere? is the relationship with don west more prickly? >> with the defense. i have seen her be very nice to the prosecution. i was here at the hearings before the trial, but to the the
precursor to those words was that it was obvious the judge was not going to allow in the texts and the facebook comments on fighting and guns in regard to trayvon martin. it was obvious you could see what she said from the bench. the defense is very upset. in april they asked in open court if the prosecution had any information about trayvon martin that they had not handed over. the prosecution said no. that may be very rightly so. in fact. it's a long story, but their head i.t. person was called to the stand in a hearing right before trial began to say he had prepared over a 900-page report on the contents of trayvon martin's phone in january 2013. he was concerned, because he didn't think the defense had gone it. he got a lawyer, because he thought he could be charged with something. the defense did not get that report. they got it on the eve of trial.
and not winning around, and they're frustrated, because if they have that foundation, they probably would have gotten in some of the fighting. >> there's claims d. could be a teenage boy, bragging could be a teenage boy, recounting what he actually went through. the court is in resist right now. we're going to take another quick break, but david, as a former prosecutor, walk us through, for those of us who are not part of the justice system, walk us through a typical murder trial. is it grueling? are there late nights, weekends? or is this case special? >> well, jake, it is special, but this case is like any other murder case i've been involved with. you're talking about the defendants' life and the life of the victim. you are going to go all out. the day does not begin when you
walk into the courtroom, and it doesn't end when you're done at 5:00. you're hustling witnesses, doing the research, taking depositions, you've been getting the act together, you're getting the chance to put your case forward. prosecution has the burden of proof. you want to present the case to the jury that's perfect in every single way. issues come up in the middle of troo iltroo ilwhen everybody goes to lunch, you go back to the office. there's a lot that goes on that doesn't okur inside that courtroom. in every murder case, it's a long haul, you put in long hours, and i think that it just showed last night. don sort of was at the end of his rope, it was a long day, and he -- if he had to do it over again, he would have made that comment to the side and would have said, she's killing me,
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welcome back to "the lead." right now the lawyers are talking over some procedural matters, so we're going to get you up to date is some of the other breaking news stories. joe kar tsarnaev is pleading not guilty. this is the first time we've seen him come face-to-face with any victims and their families. it is the first time they have seen the accused boston bomber with their own eyes. the surviving suspect was arraigned today in the district court in boston in his first public appearance. the court house was packed today with victims and their families all watching as tsarnaev pleaded not guilty to 30 counts.
cnn's deborah feyerick is live outside the courtroom in boston. deb, the things we can't see, because there are no cameras in the courtroom, tell us about tsarnaev's body language. how does he look now? >> you know, his body language was really quite fascinating. he's much taller than he appears, over six feet tall, orange prison jumpsuit. it appears he suffered some sort of nerve damage to his face. his hasn't was in a cast, his feet were shackled, his hands were not. one of the women sitting in his section wearing a whiteheadscarf, she gasped audibly, but he seemed disinterested. he was fidgeting, the judge was talking to him. he kept looking back at the women who had come there for him. then when he stood to answer the
charges against him, 30 charges. he pled not guilty to each of the charges. what's so interesting about this, jake, is he actually had a very accidentive russian accent. when i spoke to his wrestling coach who happened to be here they were flabbergasted. and he said he just couldn't see it. he was fidgeting, at the looked disinterested. he was slumping. there was no sense of really the seriousness of what was going on inside the courtroom, jake. >> deb, we can't confirm it, but there was someone there who looked like catherine russell, joe kar save yes's sister-in-law, the widow of his brother. did you see her? >> reporter: we saw two women, two younger women who looked --
we know he has two younger sisters here in the united states. there seems to be some sort of a family resemblance. we did not see catherine russell. you know, whether her lawyers would have told her to stay away from the courthouse, you know, she's still in play. what i mean about that is they're just trying to keep her quiet, away from things, let the attention drift over to joe kar tsarnaev. until prosecutors say you're off the hook, you're really not. the victims who were there, 30 of them, and their families, one woman had crutches. they were sitting there, shifting, one of the them kept wiping what looked like tears from her eyes. so very dramatic. this was a packed courtroom. in the moments before he walked in, it was so quiet, nobody shifted, nobody talked, the only
thing you heard was the newborn that was held by one of the tsarnaev women that were in the row reserved for his family, jake. >> deborah feyerick outside the boston courthouse, where dzhokhar tsarnaev, pleaded not guilty to all 30 charges today. when we come back, we're going to take you back to the other courtroom we're keeping an eye on, which is in sanford florida, where george zimmerman is being tried for. [ woman ] we had two tiny reasons
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. from san francisco we're expecting any machine a press conference of members of the flight crew from inside the cockpit of the asiana flight that crashed at san francisco enter national airport on saturday. as soon as they come to the microphones, we will go to them
live. let's get back to the zimmerman panel. one of george zimmerman's former neighbors testified about a break-in at her home. one man arrested was emanuel burgiss, and he had said he had -- listen to her describe her ordeal and the prosecution's interests in her social network activity. the bite is not ready now, but we had this moment, in which she was asked by the prosecution about the fact that she had -- we do have it now? let's run it now. >> they broke into my house. i heard some bangs downstairs.
the dispatcher told me to grab any weapon i had, because i had my son in my arms. he had woken up, and just prepare to use it if i had to. the guy was -- i was locked in my son's bedroom, and he was shaking the door knob trying to get in. i was sitting there with a pair of rusty scissors, with my son in one arm, and the police came and they ended up leaving. >> haven't tweeted about this trial? >> i don't able so. >> this week? >> i don't believe so. it's unclear that olivia bertalan tweeted this week. she said -- the truth is coming out, and as the state indicated, she follows the defense attorney mark o'mara on twitter as well as george zimmerman's defense team. what were they trying to do by calling this witness? >> well, this had already come into evidence, because all of the 911 calls george had made
and prior break-ins in the community had come. i think they were trying to put her on, because now it's relevant. let's look at the facts. this happened in the previous year, fall of 2011 the young man was arrested, again, he lived in the complex, by the way, rearrested beginning of february. so i find it interesting the defense put them on. maybe they're trying to show that george was concerned this defendant had been released again, as was initially, but obviously shows crime in their neighborhood, not profiling. >> why do you say it doesn't show profiling? it's been introduced earlier he had called in a number of times, saying that an african-american young man were suspiciously
walking around the neighborhood. do you think at all that this witness brought some of these racial and profiling issues to the surface? >> well, i think that the defense wanted to try to show that it wasn't profiling, because the crime that had been curring in their subdivision thb of african-american young males. the jury has heard this before, so this was putting on a living, breathing example of what the jury has heard about. >> danny, let me put it to you. this witness had a very compelling story. i'm not exactly sure -- why don't you explain. why do you think this witness was brought forward? >> it's pretty clear, to show awareness there were crimes in the neighborhood that could make someone have a heightened concerned about crime in the neighborhood. >> george zimmerman was probably absolutely profiling. was he profiling someone
african-american? who knows. but i'll tell you what he was profiling. he was profiling a young male. if it was an 82-year-old female that happened to be african-american, i doubt george zimmerman or anybody would have called the police if she was heading down the sidewalk looking into houses. the bottom line is george zimmerman is probably profiling the same people, young males, that were in the area. i think that is what the defense -- that is at least the theory i think the defense is trying to put out there. >> right. i guess my question is, is there not a risk for the defense to put a witness like this out there, to so nakedly put an issue that, look, white people in this neighborhood were scared of young black men? because that could, in the minds of a juror, that could say oh, well clearly george zimmerman was racially profiling and trayvon martin, who did nothing wrong that go get some skittles
paid the price for it. is that not a risk for the defense? >> everything is a risk, but consider yourself as a jury, you've just heard evidence that in your neighborhood people are breaking into the homes. is your first question, well, who color are they? it doesn't matter. the fear of someone breaking in your home is -- i think the defense is banking on the idea that people are more interested in safety in their home than interested in thinking about racial profiling. i think that's the gamble they're taking. and i think this was a decent idea. >> david weinstein, as a prosecutor, you i want to play devil's advocate with you. one of the things that this witness whose home was broken into in a very dramatic and where she was hiding with the baby in the baby's room, holding
rusty scissors while the person -- i forget his name, burgiss, tried to break into the room even, not just the house. is that not a risk for the prosecution in the sense that the jurors think, well, this is a dangerous neighborhood and they need people out there patrolling? >> the cross on this should have been very short and succinct, you live in the neighborhood, you know george, you followed the defense attorneys on twitter, you have a bias, you're here to testifying for george. she was an excellent witness for the defense. what did she show? she showed while they were sitting in the box who are just as terrified, that george, the good neighborhood, was out there looking for people. i completely agree with what was just said. this was a good call for the defense, prosecution spent too much time on cross to let her tell her story again.
she helped set the stage for george not having any ill will, evil intent, hatred, spite. he wasn't profiling any particular category of people unless you were a burglar breaking into a house and caused a young lady to be so fearful that she hid in her house with her baby with a rusty pair of scissors. good gamble on the part of the defense, good witness to call late in the game. >> the final witness to take the stance for the defense, before the defense rested was george zimmerman's own father. he was asked about the 911 call that we've heard so much about, and whether or not he recognized the voice, heard calling for help in the background. let's play some of that. >> then they asked me, did i recognize the voice? >> and what did you tell them? >> i told them absolutely, it's my son george. >> is that an opinion that you still have through today? >> surely. >> danny, was there a strategy
to making robert zimmerman senior the very last witness for the defense? >> well, i can't look into their minds, but i would think that it's, number one, he's credentialed, i believe hess's a district court judge or municipal judge. he's well spoken. he's articulate, and he's the father of george zimmerman. the other side of that coin is there may be bias. i have to believe there were somewhat better witnesses they could have closed with, since he had so many fascinating friends with incredible pedigrees, combat medics, air marshals, but it's a choice they made and probably had the reasons for it, but those are the pluses and minuses of calling dad as their last witness. >> how effective do you think the father's testimony was that? is what he said what one would
expect him to say? >> absolutely, but let's compare that to the victim's mother. how effective was her testimony? we all know that she was good to say it was her son ace voice. we expected her to say that, we knew she was going to say that. she would have been a great witness as the last witness, not the last witness the prosecution call, the medical examiner, who turned out to be much more beneficial to the defense, became very cross with the people examining him, and didn't allow the prosecution to go out with a bang. the defense did it the way you should do it. we're telling a story. as trial lawyers, as people in the courtroom, we want to captivate the attention of the jurors in the box, and we close with this emotional witness. there may have been other witnesses who could testify, but they closed with the man, a magistrate judge, he has credentials in the community. we expected him to say it was george's voice. we humanized george zimmerman
and the defense by not putting him on the stand by letting someone else testify for him. i thought it was a good way to end the presentation. >> judge nelson has announced that closing arguments in the zimmerman case will begin tomorrow. we are following other news. you're looking right there at live photographs from san francisco where the flight crew from that airline that crashed in san francisco over the weekend will come and talk to reporters. we know the pilots made critical errors in the final seconds before that san francisco crash. one question we'll address after the break, could those mistake be blamed on the deferential korean culture? that's coming up. [ mrs. hutchison ] friday night has always been all fun and games here at the hutchison household. but one dark stormy evening... there were two things i could tell: she needed a good meal and a good family. so we gave her what our other cats love, purina cat chow complete. it's the best because it has something for all of our cats!
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welcome back to the lead. it's time for the world lead. we're waiting for a press conference to begin. which crash-landed are about to tell us what happened. as the investigators comb through the wreckage that crashed landed saturday, speculation abounds about whether the korean culture might have had any effect on what happened in the cockpit. in the last crucial seconds before the tragedy. >> the puzzling questions about why this flight ended this way remain. >> they've got three people in the cockpit. we have a crew that needs to
work together, and we want to make sure we understand what's going on in the aircraft. >> investigators are focusing not just on tools and mechanics, not just on training hours and skills, but also on differences between the u.s. and south korea. >> we're going to be looking at their training and not just training in korea, but also training in the united states and seeing how those things compare. >> reporter: while events leading to this crash are unclear, malcolm gladwell made interesting points. he dedicated an entire chapter to south koreaial airline culture and a world of others. he sat down with fareed zakaria to explain. >> you found by and large koreans were very bad at being pilots. explain that. >> the overwhelming majority of crashes are the result of a breakdown in communication between the copilot and the pilot. something comes up, a situation emerges that requires those two
pilots to be in open and honest communication, and they fail to do that. one person withholds information, one person doesn't share, whatever. >> the question becomes, gladwell argues, what is the role of culture in plane crashes. is it easier in some culture than others for a subordinate to speak candidly, even harshly. >> the answer is absolutely. >> in one study of the field of cultural psychology, south korea ranked second in the world for respect for authorities or what is called power distance. >> in 99% of cases, a beautiful and wonderful things, in the cockpit, it's a problem, right? and so you -- whenever you see cultures, if you overlay the list of culture in the world by their respect for power distance with a list of cultures in the world by their plane crashes per capita, it's basically the same list. >> korean air found itself on the crash list far too often. the airline suffered five
accidents. most memorably this horrific scene in guam in 1997. recordings show that the crew gingerly bringing up potential problems as they try to land during a storm, instead of telling the pilot you should use the weather radar, the engineer defer referenceally noted, captain, the weather radar has helped us a lot, and he was essentially ignored, 228 on board were killed. the airline's dismal record prompted korea to -- >> they fixed it, by bringing some people with a different cultural attitude and essentially reeducating the pilots in korean airlines. >> and made them speak in language. >> because it's a non-hierarchal language. >> i asked, are you okay, captain? and he said, yes, i'm okay. i asked, should i perform an
evacuation? he told me to wait. >> oh, my god. >> of course, we do not and may never know exactly what happened in the cockpit or what role culture played, if any. the flight recorder shows that no one in the cockpit voiced concern about the landon until 1.5 seconds before the copilot made impact. >> the faa announced new rules today to increase the number of training hours from 250 to 1500, meanwhile, south korea has already started a sweeping inspection of eight airlines and may reconsider its own rules about training flights. up next, closing arguments in the george zimmerman murder trial are expected tomorrow. what can we expect to hear or see? will the issue of race come up? some final thoughts from our panel, coming up next. stacey: my daughter zoe had her first open heart surgery...
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welcome back to "the lead." let's wrap up our analysis of the george zimmerman trial with our panel. the jury has been adjourned for the day. criminal defense attorney danny savalas is with us, as well as david weinstein, and in sanford j.c. j.c. jean ka sarz who is with us. the details of what happened and why are up for debate. we've seen at least three different re-enactments of the event. we've seen zimmerman do a walk-through with attorneys, we have this 3-d animation we have seen, but the jury has not seen it, and we had the re-enactment today with the dummy by both the prosecution and the defense, do you think this has cleared up the timeline of events or do you think this has muddied the
waters any more? >> i think the defense hopes it's cleared up the timeline. there's only one person alive today who knows how it happened. we heard him explain it with his lawyers on videotape. the defense is going to use that animation during their closing argument. the jury won't be able to take it back in the jury room and freeze-phrase it and place it, but the defense will use it. i think those two items will help the jury clear up exactly how it happened. the demonstration with the dummy today, there were some that he ricks involved, the prosecution conceding -- that may not have helped them, but i think they're going to go in there and they're going to have to decide for themselves, how did it happen? the only evidence they can take back in there with them is the video of george zimmerman explaining how it happened. the dummy is not in evidence. that won't go back in the jury room, and that animation will not going plan. the defense will do that to
plant the seeds and leave it up to the jury to decide. >> let's roll out that 3-d animation. the judge ruled that the defense cannot submit as evidence this 3-d animation, but they can use it in their closing arguments. first of all, explain what the difference is between those two things and what would you do if you were their attorney? >> sure. well, the difference is between admitting it in as substantive evidence or just as argument. as closing that's when you're allowed to argue the facts. but not as substantive evidence, no, sir as evidence of what actually happened. the reason for that is while the technology is certainly interesting and flashy, it's the underlying dada that went into it. because that wasn't reliable, it cannot be taken by the jury as substantive, but as a visual aid, they can use it during
argument, because argument is where you get to argue the facts. >> jane, we with expect closing arguments tomorrow. the judge has announced, if you were the prosecution, what is left on your to-do list, jean? >> you know what just happened minutes ago is the rebuttal case. this is a self-defense case, so now the rebuttal by the prosecution, they are the burden to show there was noself defense, just minutes ago, jake, the judge disallowed once witness, the other witness -- they may try to have one witness tomorrow morning. if they don't, there is no rebuttal case. that means we go straight into closing arguments. 10:00 sharp, the brror needs two hours, then lunch, then the defense, and rebuttal by the prosecution, and then this case will go to the jury. >> a lot to chew on for the day. that's it for "the lead."
i'm jake tapper. i turn you over to wolf blitzer, who will have more as well as a live coverage of the san francisco press conference with the flight crew from the asiana airlines flight. jake, thanks very much. happening now, george zimmerman's trial clearly crunch time. it's winding down. the defense has rested its kay after the judge pressed zimmerman to make a decision. a lot of drama in the courtroom today, with lawyers using a dummy to demonstrate the fatal fight from zimmerman and trayvon martin. the former sanford police chief tells cnn why he believes he was the fall guy. he's speaking out publicly now for the first time. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." >> george zimmerman's lawyers have rested their case