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hello, everyone. i'm michaela pereira. i'm in for ashleigh banfield this week. a couple of quick headlines to get you started this hour. first the search of a north korean cargo ship suspected of carrying drugs turned up something far more alarming. panamanian officials seized the ship that you see here as it approached the panama canal from cuba, discovered hidden behind, get this, a large container of brown sugar, guess what they found. undeclared weapons including apparent missile parts. we're going to have more details for you coming up later in the program. one of mexico's most feared drig lords is in custody. this man mexican authorities captured him, miguel angel trevino morales early monday in a pickup truck near the u.s. border. he was known as z-40, head of the ultra violent mexican drug gang called los zetas.
and in cairo a night of deadly clashes between police and supporters of ousted egyptian president mohamed morsi. the health ministry reports at least seven people were killed. some 261 injured. the muslim brotherhood blamed police, saying they fired on morsi supporters during ramadan prayers. against this backdrop. egypt's interim government is taking shape. the new cabinet will be sworn in today. to moscow. fugitive edward snowden might be running out of options. cnn has learned that snowden applied to russia for temporary asylum while he awaits safe passage to latin america. snowden faces espionage charges in the u.s. for disclosing a secret domestic spying program by the national security agency. all right. now to the aftermath of the george zimmerman not guilty verdict. later this hour we're going to hear some of anderson cooper's conversation with juror b37. she's the only one to speak out about this case so far. our piers morgan, though, had a very special interview with this
young lady, rachel jeantel. she was on the phone with trayvon martin that fateful night, and she took the stand at the beginning of the trial. piers joins us live now in studio. and i've got to tell you, piers, that was amazing and compelling. i can't imagine it was easy to get her to do that interview in the first place. >> when she arrived at the studio, she was very tense, very nervous, very like the rachel jeantel that we saw on the stand. and giving an impression she didn't really want to be doing this again. but i sat her down in my office. we had a long conversation, maybe 20 minutes. and i said to her, look, you've seen all the social media reaction to your appearance. a lot of people think you're stupid. i looked her straight in the eye. i said -- >> how did she react to that? >> she reacted very well. she said i know, they do. i said so this is your chance to prove that you're not and to prove that you're actually a smart young woman who became part of this huge story without any willingness to do so or wanting to be so. and i said this is your chance
to really tell us the reality of what trayvon martin is really like, your feelings about this case, about george zimmerman. and i thought it was pretty compelling stuff that she came out with. >> none of us could tear our eyes -- we talked about it today with some of our colleagues and we couldn't tear our eyes away from it. it was a very compelling interview. we're going to play a fair amount of that conversation you had today starting with rachel on the jury, the generation gap, the n word. and look, we're going to talk about a conversation that a lot of you are going to find offensive. it's a conversation that is very difficult to even have when we talk about race, and this language used to describe some of these words. we want you to take a listen to this. and we're going to have some people join us on the back end. let's play a good chunk of this conversation from "piers morgan's" one on one with rachel jeantel. >> why? >> people the whole world say is a racist word.
mind you around 2000s that was not -- they changed it around i think. it starts spelling n-i-g-g-a. nigga -- >> what does that mean to you, that way of spelling it? what does that word mean to you? >> that means a male. >> a black male? >> no, any kind of male. >> black or white? >> any kind. chinese could say nigga. that's my chino nigga. they could say that. >> and rappers and everything use it in the music and that's -- >> they use it. >> -- what they mean. >> but nigger is not about black people because they're not going to have it like that because that's a racist words. >> they're two different words and they have different meaning in your community. >> no. in a generation, 2000s. >> to young people you mean? >> not young people. old people use that too. >> well, the jury, they see
their side. no offense to the jury. they old. that's old-school people. we in a new school. our generation. my generation. [ applause ] >> let's talk about creepy-ass cracker. people have said that that is a phrase used by black people, cracker, to describe a white person. is that true? >> no. like i said -- >> how do you spell it, first of all? >> cracker. well, you could -- >> there's no e-r, right? >> no. it's an a at the end. >> c-r-a-c-k-a. >> yeah. and that's a person who act like they're a police, who like security guard who acting like -- that's why i said to them, trayvon said creepy-ass cracka. >> it means he thought it was a policeman or security guard. >> acting like a policeman. and then he keep telling me that the man still watching him. so if it was a security guard or a policeman, they would come up
to trayvon and say do you have -- do you need a problem? do you have a problem? do you need help? like normal people. >> do you feel that your testimony strongly impacted the case at all? >> yes. >> in a negative way? >> no. it might have said why her education or why she kept it too honest. but people -- too honest. you can't be too honest. you can't say cracka, nigga, all this, and the jury's so shocked, what i said. and they're acting like the generation we got now don'tay that. >> all right. let's talk generational. let's talk about this tough
conversation that we're going to have, a frank discussion. piers morgan with me here in the studio. also joining me, joe hicks, vice president of community advocates inc. in los angeles. and kari lessar white, attorney, co-founder and executive derkt of the brotherhood sister soul a leading advocacy organization. piers, i'm curious to hear from you what the audience's reaction to this generational definition of what are considered to be really offensive terms -- >> i think you saw in that -- >> yeah. >> you could see on some of the clips that the older people in the audience were kind of not reacting, the younger ones were racing to applaud. this was a very generational issue, i think. and i really felt looking at rachel last night, if that rachel jeantel had given evidence in that way, what difference could that have made. now, as she said, you know, she believes there was a complete disconnect between this predominantly white female jury and the world that she and trayvon martin come from. i suspect there's also a disconnect from rachel's world
to the world of those jurors. so there's a double disconnect here. and that must have played a part i think in the deliberations and this verdict. >> joe, i want you to sound off on that too. what is your reaction? i hope you were able to hear that sound from rachel as well. >> i was. but see, i don't -- obviously, there is a generational issue going on here. but what really happened was that they didn't find her credible. they didn't find her especially truthful, even though she seemed to think that she was being brutally honest and maybe she was. the point is both her demeanor on the stand as well as some contradictions in things that she'd said made her come across as not credible to the jurors and, frankly, to a lot of people. it was interesting to understand she's got an issue that causes her to speak partially the way she does. and i think she came across, piers was able to make -- find a way to make her much more sympathetic individual. but the point is the court reporter was having difficulty
understanding her and kept interrupting to say would you say that again. so there are -- >> we're going to talk -- >> -- a number of issues that were problematic. >> we're going to talk more, we're going to dig in a little deeper on that coming up in a few moments here. i want to bring kari into this conversation. he with talked a little about this yesterday. i want to repeat it. is this a discussion about white or hispanic on black crime or is this about the justice system? >> well, i think this is definitely about the justice system. it's about issues of race. it's about issues of gun control. i think that the comments yesterday from rachel really illustrate that there are these two foundational issues that america still has not come to terms with, and one is that this country was founded on issues having to do with race and the enslavement of black people and that that continues to have a racial legacy today. the second is that it's a country founded on the possession of guns, on a revolt that still today we haven't dealt with what gun control looks like in this present day. and so these two foundational issues of gun control and what
that means and the issue of race, which clearly runs through this case, as we saw in the comments of rachel last night, are two issues we have not come to terms with. and that's why we continue to revisit these issues. i don't think it's a generational issue when we talk about the words that rachel mentioned yesterday. it's an educational issue. because these words have been around for hundreds of years. this is not a new phenomenon. it's just that a any generation has embraced it in a way that previous generations didn't. this has been around for a long time. and it's about education in america and coming to terms with those foundational issues. >> we have seen mostly non-violent protests so far. we've seen some incidences arising in various areas across the country, windows being broken, et cetera. in fact, joe, we've seen that in l.a. there have been pretty loud demonstrations outside the cnn bureau in leimert park. there is concern by some of the voices that violence and protests like this just fuel these kinds of stereotypes. >> well, in fact, i am here in los angeles, and i drove past part of this protest at an
earlier stage. obviously, rampant hooliganism going on here. and the problem is if you look at -- we're seeing now on the screen pictures of trayvon on banners and that sort of thing. but you can find placards with almost every conceivable issue in the world. and i think we heard it from your other guest in many ways, that this case, the vindication of george zimmerman has become a rorschach test for people then layering in all sorts of issues. this was fundamentally a murder trial, but you have people now talking about gun control, issues of how this country was founded, all kinds of things are being layered in because there are certain folks around the movement in this country that want to find through this trial a way to talk about their issues, having -- >> that's a good point. >> hang on. let me jump in there. okay. let me jump in there because i don't think gun control has been forced into this debate.
this is a reality situation. george zimmerman was carrying a concealed weapon, marching around like some kind of charles bronson vigilante who comes across a boy who appears to be walking home to his family and an altercation is created. now, without that gun i don't believe george zimmerman would have felt emboldened enough behave in the way he did. he probably wouldn't have gotten out of his car. so let's not pretend the gun is not an integral part of this story. >> sure. >> the gun is a crucial part of this story. >> very quickly. >> actually, joe hicks, we are going to end it for now. we are going to have more of this conversation coming up. let me thank joe hicks and khari lazarre-white for their contributions and their voices. we're going to take a short break. piers is going to stay with me and i hope you will too. we'll be right back.
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all right. welcome back. earlier we heard from trayvon martin's friend rachel jeantel about some of the colorful language she used on the stand during the zimmerman trial. it's all part of her exclusive interview with piers morgan. he's here helping take us through it. it's really interesting that you were able to talk to her in a way that the attorneys were not able to. >> well, it's interesting to me.
i think that the defense, don west in particular, went after her in a very aggressive manner and she reacted in a very defensive manner to that. and that created the dynamic we saw in court. because i wasn't so hostile towards her, i was able to draw out perhaps a much more realistic picture of what rachel jeantel's like. >> well, we wanted to play a little more sound now of rachel talking about the stress of the trial, reaction to the testimony and zimmerman's attorneys. take a listen. >> don west gave you a very hard time. the defense attorney. >> don west. [ laughter ] >> what is your view of him? >> mm, mm, mm. what do i have to say? because i'm a christian. >> let me clear up one thing before we come to don west. a lot of people have mocked you. they've called you all sorts of things. you know that. on twitter. i came to your defense at one stage. i found it so disgusting. they called you stupid. >> mm-hmm. >> they were very racist to you, the people i saw on twitter.
a lot of people were very racist to you. but they also mocked you for the way that you spoke. >> okay. >> now, explain to me the background to that. >> the way i speak. people -- a lot of people have the same issue i have right now. okay? how i can say this? i had this situation since kindergarten. you could figure out how i speak. i have an underbite. for me -- >> which is a dental condition for your teeth. >> no, a bone. they've got to push back. >> you had to have surgery for it. >> yeah. i had to have surgery to push it back. and right now i don't want to do it because it take a year to heal. and a lot of people have that situation.
words i can say, it can't come out right. but -- >> have you been bullied for that before? >> look at me. no. >> so you seem to be a very different character tonight to the one we saw in court. you looked like you didn't want to be there. is that how you felt? >> it's not that i didn't want to be there. it's a lot of stress. i was dealing with a lot of stress for 16 months, i think. >> and you were grieving a friend. >> i was grieving. and i had to deal with around february, my pirbirthday, his birthday, now a death. my mother's birthday. there's a lot of birthdays up in
there. so death creeped me out. i don't -- don't do death at all. i even told my parents don't -- i'm not going to the funeral. i'm not doing none of that. i don't like funerals. >> piers, once she got started, she seemed eager to clear the air. >> very much so. >> to be seen, to be heard. >> she was angry. she was upset. you've got to remember, she lost one of her best friends. she told me that when the phone records came back for the week before trayvon died she couldn't believe how often they'd been speaking. it was almost a constant dialogue between her and trayvon. she was also brutally honest about certain things which we were led to believe were going to be very contentious like trayvon's drug use. she was straight off the top, like look, he used to take weed. a lot of kids -- i don't but a lot of kids in my group do. >> twice a week. >> well, guess what, everyone? weed is now legally acceptable in a number of american states, recreationally and medicinally
and will probably become more so. this is not a huge scandal. she also made the clear point that trayvon, when he took cannabis, was never aggressive. in fact, all he ever was was a bit hungry occasionally, hence probably the trip to buy some skittles. but i found that kind of searing honesty directly confronting that kind of thing very authentic. you know, i found her authentic when she took the stand. but i could see she was very defensive about the way don west questioned her. but last night we saw a warmer side to her. i thought she was very honest and very credible. and that's the one thing the juror that talked to anderson said she didn't find her. >> i actually want to play that sound because you felt compelled to come to her defense. she has been criticized as being a lot of different things. and i want you to hear what this woman, the very first juror we've heard from, anderson cooper had a chance to sit down with her, juror b37. let's listen to what she said about rachel jeantel. >> she just didn't want to be there. and she was embarrassed by being there because -- because of her
education and her communication skills that she just wasn't a good witness. >> i mean, look. i find that incredibly patr patronizing. i actually thought the juror gave a very good interview to anderson, was very articulate and very thoughtful and i got a real understanding of what that jury had gone through and their process in their heads. sxif a great deal of respect for any jury, by the way. it's a very difficult job. i have a problem with the law that they had to meet the criteria for. but not the jury and their deliberations. but when she talks about rachel jeantel being uneducated, this and that, it's almost like she's putting her hand on her head and saying there there, little girl. rachel jeantel is not uneducated. she's a smart cookie. what she didn't like was the environment that don west created in that courtroom of hostility. that's a different thing. >> more behind the scenes with her. did you get a sense of things that she still wanted to say, that she would have liked to go back and redo? >> i think she regretted the fact, and this may have come out more from part of the interview and also when i spoke to her,
that george zimmerman had a number of people who appeared in court who gave great character witness for him. and that clearly impacted on the jury. you could hear that jury last night talking about george this, george that. she felt an engagement with him on a human level. which i don't think any of them felt with trayvon martin because the -- again, i blame the prosecution for this. i blame them for many things. you know, overcharging in the first place. had they gone for manslaughter, they may have gotten a conviction. i think the way that they built up a picture of trayvon was unsuccessful. rachel jeantel told us more about trayvon martin last night in 25 minutes than i heard in the entire trial. and you got a picture not of an aggressive thug but of a rather sweet, quite quiet young teenager going about his business. never been in much trouble. took a little bit of weed. well, you know, a lot of teenagers do that. a lot of adults do that. somebody who was very unlikely to be the instigator of a violent act that could lead to the killing of george zimmerman. and i thought that was really important and critical testimony
that unfortunately she gave outside the courtroom. >> after the trial had finished. i want to thank you for coming and talking about it with us here and for such a great interview with her and giving her a chance to be heard. i had i that's something that we all desire in life, isn't it? >> i'm pleased she had that chance because it's a very different rachel jeantel now in the public eye to the one we thought from that court appearance. >> certainly. piers morgan, what a delight to have you here. our first meeting. >> i'm very excited to meet you. >> it's very exciting. >> and you're even more glamorous in the flesh. >> my goodness. such flattery. it will get you everywhere. a very special "piers morgan tonight." piers morgan live, of course. he'll be talking with jurors from the o.j. simpson trial to get their take on the zimmerman verdict. that's tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern. come back anytime. >> i'm yours. >> you heard it here. we'll be right back.
anyone blocking streets without a permit could go to jail. meanwhile, atlanta, hundreds of protesters gathered outside cnn center. so far the demonstrations in that city have been pretty peaceful. celebrities also chiming in. we want to show you some video on youtube shot at a stevie wonder concert in quebec, canada. he told the audience he wouldn't be performing in florida until the state's stand your ground laws are repealed. an incredible look at what happened inside that deliberation room as the jury of six women decided george zimmerman's fate. one of those jurors, who identified herself only as juror b37, spoke exclusively to our cnn's "anderson cooper 360" last night. she's the first juror to speak publicly about the case. and from the start of deliberations she believed that zimmerman was not guilty. >> george zimmerman obviously did not testify. but his testimony essentially was brought into the trial through those videotapes.
a number of videotapes. he walked police through a re-enactment of what he said happened. how important were those videotapes to you? >> i don't really know. because, i mean, watching the tapes there's always something in the back saying, is it -- is it right? is it consistent? but with all the evidence of the phone calls and all the witnesses that he saw, i think george was pretty consistent and told the truth, basically. i'm sure there were some fabrications, enhancements. but i think pretty much it happened the way george said it happened. >> when george zimmerman said that trayvon martin reached for his gun, there was no dna evidence, and the defense said, well -- had testimony well, it could have got washed off in the rain or the like. do you believe that trayvon martin reached for george zimmerman's gun? >> i think he might have. i think george probably thought that he did because george was the one who knew that george was
carrying a gun. and he was aware of that. >> you can't say for sure whether or not trayvon martin knew that george zimmerman was carrying a gun? >> no. >> so you can't say for sure whether or not trayvon martin reached for that gun? >> right. but that doesn't make it right. i mean, it doesn't -- there's not a right or a wrong. even if he did reach for the gun, it doesn't make any difference. >> how so? >> well, because george had a right to protect himself at that point. >> so you believe that george zimmerman really felt his life was in danger? >> i do. i really do. >> do you think trayvon martin threw the first punch? >> i think he did. >> what makes you think that? >> because of the evidence on the t, or on the sidewalk, where george says he was punched. there was evidence of his flashlight and keys there. and then a little bit farther down there was a flashlight that he was carrying. and i think that's where trayvon
hit him. >> so you think based on the testimony you heard, you believe that trayvon martin was the aggressor? >> i think the roles changed. i think -- i think george got in a little bit too deep, which he shouldn't have been there, but trayvon decided that he wasn't going to let him scare him and get the one over up on him or something, and i think trayvon got mad and attacked him. >> do you feel like you know for sure what happened in the altercation? and did the other jurors feel for sure that they knew what happened? >> nobody knew exactly what happened. i mean, it started at one point and ended at another point. witnesses said they heard left to right movement. other witnesses said they heard right to left movement. but the credible witnesses said they heard left to right movement. so whatever happened, i think the punch came and then they
ended up in front of -- in back of the house. i don't think anybody knows. >> when the defense in their closing argument played that animation of what they believe happened, did you find that credible? >> i found it credible. i did. >> what did you think of the testimony of trayvon martin's mother and father? did you find them credible? >> i think they said anything a mother and a father would say. just like george zimmerman's mom and father. i think they're your kids. you want to believe that they're innocent and that was their voice because hearing that voice would make it credible that they were the victim, not the aggressor. >> so in a way both sets of parents kind of canceled each other out in your mind? >> they did. definitely. because if i was a mother, i would want to believe so hard that it was not my son that did that or was responsible for any
of that, that i would convince myself probably that it was his voice. >> how critical, though, was it for you in your mind to have an idea of whose voice it was yelling for help? i mean, how important was that yell for help? >> i think it was pretty important because it was a long cry and scream for help that whoever was calling for help was in fear of their life. >> the prosecution didn't use the word "racial profiling" during the case. they used the word "profiling." and that was something that was worked out between the judge and the lawyers when the jury wasn't in the room. >> right. >> do you feel that george zimmerman racially profiled trayvon martin? do you think race played a role in his decision? his view of trayvon martin as suspicious. >> i don't think he did. i think just circumstances caused george to think that he might be a robber or trying to
do something bad in the neighborhood because of all that had gone on previously. there were an unbelievable number of robberies in the neighborhood. >> so you don't believe race played a role in this case? >> i don't think it did. i think if there was another person, spanish, white, asian, if they came in the same situation where trayvon was, i think george would have reacted the exact same way. >> why do you think george zimmerman found trayvon martin suspicious, then? >> because he was cutting through the back. it was raining. he said he was looking in houses as he was walking down the road. kind of just not having a purpose to where he was going. he was stopping and starting. but, i mean, that's george's rendition of it. but i think the situation where trayvon got into, him being late
at night, dark at night, raining, and anybody would think anybody walking down the road, stopping and turning and looking, if that's exactly what happened, is suspicious. and george had said he didn't recognize who he was. >> well, was that a common belief on the jury, that race was not -- that race did not play a role in this? >> i think all of us thought race did not play a role. >> so nobody felt race played a role? >> i don't think so. >> none of the jurors. >> i can't speak for them. >> that wasn't part of the discussion in the jury room? >> no. we never had that discussion. >> it didn't come up, the question of did george zimmerman profile trayvon martin because he was african-american? >> no. i think he just profiled him because he was the neighborhood watch and he profiled anybody that came in acting strange. i think it was just circumstances happened that he saw trayvon at the exact time that he thought he was suspicious. >> the prosecution tried to paint george zimmerman as a
wannabe cop, overeager. did you buy that? >> i think he's overeager to help people. like the lady that got broken in and robbed while her baby and her were upstairs. he came over, and he offered her a lock for her sliding glass door. he offered her his phone number, his wife's phone number. he told her that she could come over if she felt stressed or she needed anybody, come over to their house, sit down, have dinner. not anybody -- i mean, you have to have a heart to do that and care to help people. >> so you didn't find it creepy that -- you didn't find it a negative, you didn't buy the prosecution when they kind of said he was a wannabe cop? >> no, i didn't at all. >> is george zimmerman somebody you would like to have on a neighborhood watch in your community? >> if he didn't go too far. i mean, you can always go too far. he just didn't stop at the
limitations that he should have stopped at. >> so i don't -- is that a yes or -- if he didn't go too far, is he somebody prone, do you think, to going too far? is he somebody you would feel comfortable -- >> i think he was frustrated. i think he was frustrated with the whole situation in the neighborhood, with the break-ins and the robberies, and they actually arrested somebody not that long ago. i mean, i would feel comfortable having george, but i think he's learned a good lesson. >> so you would feel comfortable having him now because you think he's learned a lesson from all of this? >> mm-hmm. exactly. i think he just didn't know when to stop. he was frustrated. and things just got out of hand. >> people have now remarked subsequently that he gets his gun back. and there are some people who said the idea that he gets -- can have a gun worries them. does that worry you? >> that doesn't worry me. i think he'd be more responsible than anybody else on this planet
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two years, to eventually become the actual head of the cpb. and that is something that -- the obama administration thought it was critical because this agency was created to help consumers after the 2008 recession and so forth. so that's number one. but as you said, it's part of a much bigger picture issue that has been going on here in the senate, and that is democrats said that they were incredibly frustrated that he was one of more than half a dozen nominees that the republicans were simply holding up. so we do understand from sources in both parties that after harry reid threatened to use what is known as the nuclear option, a change in the senate rules to prevent any filibusters, they have a tentative deal to not go that route, effectively blow up the senate, and instead the president is going to get votes on his nominees except that they're going to make some changes as to two of the people that are being put up, especially on the controversial and very political national labor board. that's of course the board that
deals with labor disputes, which as you know, michaela, is very political and highly controversial. >> very much so. so a tentative deal reached here. we'll be watching and waiting. and we'll get word from you when that all goes down. dana bash, thanks so much for that. we appreciate it. >> thank you. juror b-37. she's stating her case and taking you inside those jury deliberations of the george zimmerman trial. she's never been a juror before. she owns cats, dogs, birds, and says newspapers are not truthful. our legal panel today includes a jury consultant. you'll hear what she says about this juror coming up next. i'm here at my house on thanksgiving day, and i have a massive heart attack right in my driveway. the doctor put me on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. go talk to your doctor. you're not indestructible anymore. go talk to your doctor. we know it's your videoconference of the day. hi! hi, buddy! that's why the free wifi and hot breakfast are something to smile about.
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lost in jury selection. perhaps that was true in george zimmerman's murder trial. the deliberating jury was made up of six women, five of them white. she doesn't want to -- we're talking about juror b-37. she doesn't want us to release her image, her name. here's what we know about her. in jury selection she says she's been married 20 years. her husband is an attorney. she has two grown daughters. when she was asked if she had an opinion about the case, she said no. the shooting was "just an unfortunate incident that happened." and she used to carry a concealed weapons permit. let's bring in a defense attorney who's been on our air a whole lot lately. i feel like he's a colleague now. danny cevallos, good to see you, my man. and jury consultant and body language expert susan constantine. good to see both of you. dancy, let's start with you. it seems like a juror maybe you might not want if you're on the prosecution team. >> well, there's two ways of looking at it. you can't really use these broad
stereotypes although they've been kicking around for years. you can look at the female aspect as there's some wisdom that females are more law enforcement friendly, so maybe the prosecution thought that. there's also the idea that a female might be more parental and might see trayvon martin as a child that shouldn't have been injured. so i don't necessarily think that the prosecution made some huge blunder putting this juror on. they may have had a good reason to think that she was an acceptable juror. and remember, when it comes to jury selection, it's usually some juror that's in the middle that both sides have something they like. otherwise, they'd exercise a peremptory and get them out of there. >> susan, you're a jury consultant. you're a body language expert. what struck you the most about what this juror, juror b-37, had to say? . >> well, i think that she identified with george zimmerman. she is a caretaker. and by looking at, you know, all this evidence in the case and she's looking at george saying, you know, he's a caretaker because look at this lady that was down the street, she was the one that needed some help and
george was right there to rescue them, to help them out. and it took, you know, caring, a loving spirit, so to speak, that would help a person like that. and i think the fact that she tends to be a pet rescuer, having like multiple animals in her home, that she identified that caretaker in him, she identified herself being very much like him in their character. >> so danny, susan's saying she identified with george. does that smell like bias toward zimmerman to you? >> well, ultimately, sure. i mean, at the end of the case it's acceptable for a juror to have some kind of bias. after all, they've developed an opinion about the case. the question is did she bring some by bias to the table? and reasonable minds may differ about that. that's why people like jury selection consultants can help suss out those tendencies better than most mortals can because it is a very, very complex science, the sociology of selecting jurors. however, this particular juror
by the end it's clear that the defense was successful in getting her to root for their side of the case. >> mm-hmm. >> we know that the lives of the two families, let's be honest, both the zimmerman family and the martin family, are forever changed. but i'm curious, now that we're talking about the jurors, how about these jurors? let's talk about this one specifically because we've heard from her. what awaits her? how does she move on from this? susan. >> well, you know, this is going to be very hard, but keep in mind, she's the first one that came out. and i noticed that during the voir dire process that she was very expressive. you know, when she was talking, she used hand movements, big and open. that's telling you she's like an open book. so i was not surprised that she was the first one to come out and talk. the difference was her demeanor was much quieter when she was being interviewed. but i saw a different picture when i was in the courtroom. >> all right. we want to say a big thank you to susan constantine and danny
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when officials interseeded a cargo ship, they thought and suspected it had been carrying drugs. boy, they were stunned at what they discovered instead. undeclared weapons, including apparent missile parts. officials say that ship had come from cuba. barbara starr's following developments for us from the pentagon. >> michaela, up and down mania authority stopped the ship after getting a tip it was carrying drugs. but when they opened the cargo hold, look at what they found. hidden under the cargo missile parts, or at least that's what they think they have here. that's what they are looking at. a lot of drama associated with this when they stopped the ship. the crew resisted arrest, the captain of the ship tried to fake a heart attack and then committed suicide, according to the panamanians. the president tweeting out a
photo of the cargo of weapons that they found. he's now asking for an international team of inspectors. no one knows yet where the north koreans were headed with this ship, where they were taking this cargo of weapons, where they might have picked it up in the first place. the north koreans do try and sell their missile technology to get hard currency that they need, but shipping this kind of material, smuggling it through the panama canal, very heavily frowned on by the panamanians. they maintain very good control over security operations in the canal. and they are not happy about this. michaela. >> quite a discovery. thank you so much, barbara starr. we appreciate it. i want to show you what 450 pounds of dynamite can do. you ready? >> series of explosions happening. there's the first boiler, the second boiler, the third boiler.
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for the first time since the verdict, a juror in the george zimmerman case speaks out. an interview you will only see on cnn. the notorious leader of mexico's most feared drug cartel behind bars. we're going to tell you about his dramatic early-morning capture. and when panamania authorities seized this ship, they thought drugs were hidden on board. that's not what they found however. their startling discovery ahead in the pr