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hello, everyone. we want to start you off this hour with some quick headlines. arieliriel castro back in court. he's being arraigned on an expanded 977 charges for kidnapping and raping three women in his home for more than a decade. 648 new charges were added on friday to the existing 329 charges against him. i was incorrect. that is a live shot there. we have not seen ariel castro brought into the courtroom yesterday. a military jury has been
selected for the ft. hood murder trail. major nidal hasan is accused of kill 13g people during a 2009 shooting rampage. opening statements begin august 6th. boy, the temperature sure are soaring in parts of the nic as the heat wave continues to force people to try to find ways to try and keep cool. washington, new york, philadelphia, some of the worst hit cities. the good news is we're expecting it to cool off and rain by sunday. lawyers say edward snowden could leave the moscow airport in the next few days after paperwork is decided. grabbing asylum could further strain elations with the u.s. but president putin said ties between the u.s. and russia are far more important than any intelligence scandal.
the calls are coming fast and loud to charge florida law after the george zimmerman verdict. we're talking about the "stand your ground" law. to be fair the zimmerman defense team did not use the law as part of its case, but as juror b-37 it was part of the discussion in the jury room. here's what attorney general eric holder had to say about it yesterday. >> by allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public undermines public safe. the i the list is long and unfortunately has victimized too many who are innocent. it is our collective obligation. we must stand our ground to ensure -- >> attorney general holder was addressing the national naacp group. this was a statement yesterday. the task force recommend thad
the law should not be overturned. governor scott agrees. all right. let's take a moment to talk about the law itself. the tampa bay times newspaper did breakdown on more than 200 cases since the law went into effect some eight years ago. let's take a look at it. when "stand your ground" has been used as a defense, 68% of all defendants go free, digging deeper. 66% of black defendants go free compared to 66 of all. 16% were found guilty by juries. 16%. that is in florida. you might actually find this surprising but 32 other states also have some form of stand your ground type of law. justifiable homicide is the type that comes from these laws. it's risen about 5-0. so this is not just a florida irv. this is a national issue that's
getting more and more attention now because of the zimmerman case. let's discuss it with our legal panel. we have two fine gentlemen jeff gold and brian hab i tack. we appreciate you this morning. let's start with you, brian. the states or at least the lawmakers must think there's a need for these laws or why would so many of them have this law? >> good morning, michaela. that defense is what we call an imperfect defense meaning there isn't always an opportunity to use that defense there was an opportunity to walk away from a situation. what these 38 states have done is they've taken that important element away of the defense. they've remove thad requirement that you should walk awe way if
there's an opportunity to walk away. states feel for some reason we need that element in it. in "stand your ground," we look only at the moment of the event and that's what got into the jury instruction in the zimmerman case. that's why he walked and that's what we see in all of these other states that have that kind of defense. >> so essentially for those who don't know the difference is the notion of walking away and retreating, correct? >> that's right. it's an important distinction to understand. >> it really is. let's talk about eric holder very clear thought the law should be thrown out, but this is a state's issue. is there anything the federal attorney general can do about this? >> no. it's states rights. they have the right to set the
laws. several people have said they're unhappy. i understand that. change the law in your state. change the law to resolve this particular problem. >> jeff, let's get you in on this conversation. what's your thought? >> first of all, there's two philosophies. they're saying it discourages criminals, discourages people attacking others because they may have a concealed weapon and may be able to use it. personally i think it increases the amount of deaths overall. so erall the duty to retreat which is where states had been is a good thing. it honors life other mirror ma chis moe. they're saying, listen, we're trying to discourage crime. >> is there any correlation as
pro gun right states? >> there's statistics on both sides. statistics have gone down in florida. they get off because they use the law as it was properly written. they say listen, the crime rate is down. that's our object. >> thank you for joining us. we'll talk about it in a moment. the accused boston bomber is getting rock star-type treatment in a magazine. it's infuriating many of its readers. what they'll do it about. we'll discuss that next.
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jay harper wrote, jeff bowman who lost both legs should be on the cover. >> shean anthony slammed the magazine more making money out of them. >> and one said maybe the 8-year-old killed should be on the cover. cancel my subscription. strong words. national correspondent deborah feyerick has the latest for is. >> reporter: john allen still remembers tamerlan tsarnaev's reaction when their friend was killed. >> he kind of laughed it off saying maybe hee deserved it.
other two victims eric wiseman and raf fall but others who they spoke with questioned whether the drugs were a smoke screen that could have put him squarely on the radar. >> did tamerlan ever tell you that police came to him. about anything? >> nhi, no humans involved. >> that was at least the perception even though one of the three victims had drug-related charges but four months after the murders tsarnaev left boston and traveled to dagestan where it's believed he became radicalized. investigators wonder if the outcome could have been
different if they could have reached him in the first place. this man saw him a couple times a week. he said police never questioned him and so he never told them about a meeting weeks before the murder which made him very, very nervous. >> he acting differently. they all were nervous. he seemed very never sus. >> they believe too many solid leads weren't followed. >> anyone who knew eric knew he was in no way some dangerous drug dealer. he was a college age kid who loved to -- >> they didn't take the money or the drugs. >> and i think the police writing it off as that early on possibly may be the reason they didn't investigate further which could have possibly prevented
the boston bombings. >> the murders took place behind me on the second floor a source defends how the case was handled saying the state and local police acting professionally and according to protocol. deborah feyerick, national correspondent, cnn news. there's one juror exclusively speaking to cnn. she talking about the strug to reach a not guilty verdict. >> i want to talk with him more about his senses. >> more from anderson cooper coming up next. ving to deliver what you need. and that means growth, lots of cargo going all around the globe. cars and parts, fuel and steel, peas and rice, hey that's nice! ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪
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distance themselves. they release add statement saying her opinions are her own and she does not speak for them. here's some of what juror b-37 had to say. >> do you have any doubt that zimmerman feared for his life. >> >> i had no doubt zimmerman feared for his life in the situation he was in at the time. >> so when the prosecution is holding up the skittles and can of iced tea and saying this is what he was armed with, you -- did you find that compelling at all or did you find mark o'mara with the concrete block compelling? >> mark o'mara with the concrete block definitely. the skittles and the can of tea was ridiculous to put up and compare it to. anybody can use anything.
can have your head slammed against a tree or concrete. >> you believe. >> i believe he hit hi head on the con cree it. i don't know how hard his head hit the concrete. enough to get damage, bruising, swelling. it was definitely enough to make you fear when you're in that situation. >> and the photos of hiss injuries -- were those something you also looked at in the jury room? >> we did. we did. we looked a that kind of evidence first and them we listens to all the jurors. that made you believe he was fearing for his life. >> i believe it. i believe it because of his injuries. >> can you talk about the process of the other jurors changing their minds. you talked about the first juror
with manslaughter. can you -- it was basically because of the jury's reading of the law that everybody finally decided manslaughter doesn't hold? >> that's exactly why. >> was there any holdout? >> there was a holdout -- well, we had another vote and everybody put it in -- we had a little tin, folded our little papers and put it in the vote and she was the last one to vote and it took probably. >> 30 minutes for her to decide that she could not find anything else to hold george on because you want to find him guilty of something. she wanted to find him guilty of something but couldn't because of the law, the way the law was
written. he wasn't responsible for negligible thinking leading up to that point. >> did you want to find him also guilty of something? >> i wanted to find him guilty of not using his senses but you can't fauld anybody or charge anybody for not being i guess -- i don't know. you can't fault him -- you can't charge him with anything because he doesn't do anything unlawful. >> you're saying he overreacted or was too eager or made bad choices but it wasn't against the law. >> exactly. >> you're saying maybe it wasn't right getting out of that car, but it wasn't against the law. >> exactly. he started the ball rolling. he could have avoided the whole situation by staying in the car but he wanted to do good. i think he had good in his heart. he just went overboard.
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questions over this international incident. in a state last night cuba's foreign ministry said the weapons do belong to cuba but they're obsolete weapons. but, you know, we're talking about mig fighter jets, aircraft systems, pieces and parts. so it may be old equipment, kayla. >> why hiding it? why did the crew and captain go to such lengths to hide this? >> didn't the captain try to commit suicide? >> you know, that's what we're hearing from panamanian authorities. they put up a huge battle. did not want to be boarded. they reacted with some surprise. they received a statement from the cuban government and they say they haven't been able to confirm it because they haven't been able to get into all of this. they onto got in one cabin.
here's the real problem, michaela. along with all this military hardware, there's tons of sugar, 10,000 tons of sugar. that has to come off the boat first before they know exactly what kind of ordinance is aboard the ship. >> they had to use some mechanism to unload the ship, correct? >> that's right. it took three days. they're claiming the north korean crew disabled some of the winches and cranes they used to unload this heavy-duty hundred dreads of tons of equipment and bags of sugar, so apparently what we're hearing is it's not going to be done by hand. the panamanian president saying at least a week. panamanian authorities begin the lock and laborious process of
unloading this ship. >> now for some top stories of the hour. fed chairman ben bernanke. he's telling lawmakers that he's planning to end the crucial bond buying program by the middle of next year but only if the economy keeps p s progressing. in italy the trial is continuing. 32 people killed in that disaster last year. the captain now facing three criminal charges including involuntary manslaughter. if convicted he could be sentenced to prison for your 25 years. the court is expected to rule through on the captain's request for a plea bargain. the acquittal of george zimmerman is sparking outrage in the streets and online. >> one black teenager killed in sanford, florida, is a tragedy.
700 black teenagers in chicago is a freakin' epidemic. if we were so concerned about justice for one, why are we so unconcerned about justice for all? >> that was bob thompson. his video is getting more. can you believe it. he's here with me. we're going to talk with him after a quick break. but yet you have the pain like thousands of needles sticking in your foot. it was progressively getting worse, and at that point i knew i had to do something. once i started taking the lyrica the pain started subsiding. [ male announcer ] it's known that diabetes damages nerves. lyrica is fda approved to treat diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is not for everyone. it may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, changes in eyesight including blurry vision, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or skin sores from diabetes.
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all right. welcome back. to say this man speaks his mind, a bit of an understatement. he's a comedian and commentator with a whole lot to say. he's taken to youtube with his raw entense rants from anyone from the nba to obama care to trayvon martin and the george zimmerman murder trial. take a listen. >> if you're really angry about the verdict and the polite of the african-american in this country, if you're angry that a
young black teenager was killed in america and there's no justice, you nould where you should be? you should be in chicago. since the night trayvon martin was killed, over 700 black teenagers have been killed on the streets of chicago alone. why is the 700 teens killing in chicago less important than the one killed in florida? i'll tell you why. when we talk about 700 blacks killed in chicago, we're notice going to polarize blacks against whites. i mean all the people on facebook who tweeted, how angry they were that the young black man was killed and didn't get justice do, you think they're going to head to chicago? of course not. they don't care about the death of young black kids. they tweet about trayvon martin the same way they tweet about super bowl and the freakin' oscars and they go on with their
lives. one black teenager killed in florida is a tragedy. 700 black children killed in chicago is a freakin' epidemic. he's passionate and he's live with us. good morning. >> thanks for having me. >> are you concerned oughtal that one -- >> nighttime say o i'm not saying one is less important. we're making it more important. one, we're making that more important than 700 killed in chicago. i'm not saying one less is important. we're making it more. talking divide? we're dividing the country in half over one black teenager but nobody's getting divided over the 700. nobody's paying attention to 2700. >> it's interesting. part of the outrake is the fact that he's 17 years old and no one is become held accountable. you're talking about 700 people
died and there wasn't the same outrage rchlt you telling me in chicago you don't believe those deaths were prosecuted or were pursued? >> i believe a lot of them aren't being pursued. there's no leads. they're just going unprosecuted. that's the thing. nobody is talking about it. the fact that we're worried about -- the fact everybody's so angry that george zimmerman wasn't found guilty he he didn't pay, he wasn't punished. let's say he goes to jail tomorrow. does that solve the big problem? i mean a big problem is a black teen can't walk in sanford, florida, in the night during the rain with bag of skittles. why aren't we talking about the bigger problem? why aren't we focusing on a positive direction instead of always hammering on the negative, getting people riled up, angry at each other. people are in such a fervor about this. why don't we take that and the
media especially and point that in a positive direction and let's use that anger. >> joining us now from los angeles, we have joe, mo ivory and host of the mo ivory show. she joins us from tlachblt joe, mo. is it too much to take this zimmerman case -- i called you bob. i apologize. is it too much to call this case on where race stands in america? >> yes. first let me address bob in a little bit. i would invite bob to pick up a paper and read about the activist groups working in chicago. i would invite him to remember that first lady went there to address the violence in chicago. i would invite him to our town shall meeting where we're talking to try to solve the problems. i don't know where he's getting
his information that nobody carings about the people in chicago. there are a lot of groups working to bring the violence down in chicago. wait doesn't get is the same attention as a case where a white person is involved in the kidding of a black person. that's why this case is getting so much attention. black life is never valued as much until there's a white person. i ask you not to make blanket statements that nobody cares. i can point outto people who care and that is why the death rate in chicago has decreased 34% this year over 2012 because there are people activating trying to deal with this problem. >> let's let bob respond. >> i'm not saying nobody cares about the black kids dying in chicago. >> you said that. >> i'm saying it's so far under the radar. for 24 hour, seven days a week that we talk about trayvon
martin, we might talk 24 minutes about the kids in chicago. >> that is a problem, bob. >> let me finish one s.e.c. when you say these activists are doing, it's under the radar. let's bring it out into the open and make it as big a situation as this and then maybe we can solve the problem. >> bob, sure. let's bring it out in the open. i invite you to take your blog to chicago and write an entire piece or blog and do what you do and bring up the victims. i invite you to get involved. let's get on a plane. >> let's invite joe hicks now. i appreciate the passion. i know you believe black leaders need to step up and put this into focus. what do you think needs to happen? >> bob is exactly right and mo is right to a certain extent. yes, local groups have been active in chicago. she's clearly one of those and that's a good thing but this shouldn't be a localized issue.
bob is right. the naacp is speaking in florida as we speak. this violence is taking place in chicago. there's a portion of black violence in new york and philadelph philadelphia. they're talking about trayvon martin and we're hustling that issue. >> how do you know -- >> how do i not know -- >> how do you not know that the only part that is getting the news coverage is trayvon -- >> hold on. hold on, mo. >> that's the only thing that's on 24 hour as day, seven day as week. >> exactly. that's what we focus on. >> mo. focus. mo, focus. >> no, no. you know was. >> cite me a speech. cite me a speech that's been done in florida at this naacp convention. you can don't it because you can't tell me that they're talking about it at the naacp
convention or al sharptop isn't talking about it. 6 je jesse jackson has come -- >> you know what i love -- >> let's give mo a chance to respond. >> i love for you do all the work that was done on the days we weren't talking about trayvon. all the sessions going on at the naacp conventions right now. what you see when you turn your tv on is a focus of what is the biggest news story of the decade because that's what we all decide to focus on. but don't ignore the other work is being done. >> i'm going to send you all to your corners. i feel like there's more to come out of the three of you. we're going to take a short break. we'll be right back.
the conversation is certainly getting hot. we have bob, a new york-based comedian and commentator and joe hicks and mo ivory, attorney and host of the mo ivory show. differing opinions. we're talking about the fact that race has become really a big discussion, renewed once again in america in light of the george zimmerman verdict. bob, i want to ask you, what do you say when you as a white man
in america get criticized for jumping into this conversation? >> well, again, i think it's unfair. we keep categorizing this as a white issue -- black\white issue. it's not a black and white issue. if it's only a black and white issue -- >> what kind of issue is it then? >> i think it's an issue that's been turned into a black and white issue. was george zemerman -- did he have the right or was he -- did he do the right thing that night or the wrong thing? this there's the question right there. race was brought into it afterward. you know what i mean? why is this such a race? why are we trying to divide the issue when a lot of people agree. look how many while people are protesting side by side with black people? >> the protesters that we receive o the streets -- we've
talked about it. mo, let's bring you in. >> michaela, thank you so much. listen, bob. i think bob's answer right there that this is the first time we've heard white hispanic brought in by the media is just an example how different people live their lives and how different people are exposed. i'm half hispanic and half black. i've heard the term white hispanic my entire life. so, bob, just the fact you have never heard it shows me what a limited space you're living your life in and how most people live that way. it's not a new term. it takes a quick like this to, oh, my gosh, polarize you. this has existed for a long time just like race in america has and this case has always been about race. so to make an argument this is bringing race into the conversation, race has always been a part of the conversation. also there have always been white people that have reported
the civil rights for awe. to say there are a bunch of white people against the verdict because something that is injust is injust no matter what race you are. there are some people, white, that can transcend that and look at common sense and those are the white people you see being outraged about this verdict. >> right. but here's the thing. this entire conversation about getting me in the gotcha conversations about white hispanics. gotcha. 90% of us haven't heard us. >> bob, i don't want to get you. >> of course, that's what it's all about. >> bob, i don't want to get you, first of all. there's no reason for me to get you. i want to educate you, help you understand that what you're living in right now is not the world that a lot of people live in and certainly not what -- >> joe, before we make this a two-way conversation i want to get back to why we have bob here. joe, let's talk about the
chicago situation. 700 young lives, 700 lives of black people cut down in the years since trayvon died. what specifically can be done in chicago? >> well, you know, see i think we have to first really start talking about this issue. i think it's largely been ignored by the nation organizations and i think there needs to be a campaign. there needs to be a real focus on that and it is the right work with civil rights groups to really get involved at a national level to focus attention, to talk to the justice department about what kind of techniques can be utilized there. howie you create departments. mo lives there. i'm sure at a certain level some of this is getting done. mo, the if you're involved. you know this issue of black on black violence is viewed as being dirty laundry inside black communities.
if you claim it, they'll say, you can't say that, it's racist. that's not black on black crime. we have to talk about the disproportionate level of violence in the country. what is it, we have to get to the bottom and what are the techniques and strategies that can be utilized to deal with it. unless you call it what it is and realize that, we're going to continue to utilize individual black killings, therefore purposes like the trayvon martin case. >> we're going to have to leave it there. all three of you are very passionate. let's hope we can work toward a kmoon good to get together. i know it had you people talking to the camera, the tv. why don't you tweet me at
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has been in me since the trial began. for reason of my own i needed to speak alone. there will be no other interviews. my prayers are with all of those who influence and power to modify the laws that left me with no verdict option. other than not guilty in order to remain within the instructions. no other family should be forced tone dur what the martin family has endured. for the alleged book deal, there is not one at this time. there was an agreement with a literary agent to explore the concept of a book which discussed impact of sequestration on my perceptions of an attorney who was closely following the trial from outside the bubble. the relationship with the agent ceased the moment i realized what had been occurring in the world during the weeks of my e sequestration. my prayers are with trayvon's parents that their loss i wish for me and my family to recover from being selected for this in jury and return to a normal life
god bless. juror b-37. want to bring back jeff gold joining us now. curious your thoughts when you hear that statement. >> well, first of all, i agree with it 100%. i attended the trial, and i don't think anyone who attended the trial could not sympathize with na juror. i don't see how in the world anybody who was there could have done anything under the law but acquit. what she's doing, of course, is responding, there was a statement earlier by four other jurors, sort of distancing themselves from her. and she sympathizing with the martin family. look, all protesters out of there, if they're really protesting, they ought to be against the stand your ground law, not really george zimmerman. i think there was nothing else for this jury to do under florida law. >> brian, sounds she felt her hands were tied. curious about the notion of getting her life back on track. let's talk about this idea, my prayers are with those who have influence and power to modify
the laws that left me with no verdict option. jeff, speak to that as bem your thoughts. >> i thought the trial was over before it got started because of the jury instruction. i new the jury instruction would be given. we talked about self-defense, the fight or flight provision, walk way from a situation, you don't get to use the defense, or at least the jury makes a decision whether or not you could walk away. florida doesn't have that that's the problem. florida has a law that says you zron to walk away. as soon as you imply that, as soon as you have that jury instruction in place you are in a situation where the jury doesn't get to consider whether or not george zimmerman could have walked away from the situation. this is the problem, people asked me about the case, the real problem is the law. if people don't like the verdict, change the law. of course, in florida, that's a difficult situation. >> brian, jeff, thanks for sticking around with us.
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season for the pitcher from the red sox, jon lester. but it's nothing compared to the challenge that he faced seven years ago as a rookie. cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta has his story in "the human factor". >> reporter: a 22-year-old pitch for the boston red sox when a trip to fenway park in 2006 changed his life. >> i had gotten in a car accident driving to the field. >> reporter: the accident seemed to make lingering back pain worse, sending lester to the hospital where doctors threw him a curveball. >> sitting there one minute think, you know, in my case, i have some back pain, need to get anti-inflammatories, maybe rest or something like that, to you have cancer. >> reporter: diagnosed with an aplastic large cell lymphoma. a treatable form of blood cancer. enduring six rounds of chemotherapy. by the end of the year ct scans
showed the cancer was gone. soon thereafter meeting with terry francona eager to get back into the game. >> we're going to take this as slow as we possibly can. obviously that's the last thing i want to hear. >> reporter: 2007, just a year after his cancer diagnosis, lester started, and won game four of the world series, clinching the championship for the red sox. at first, lester was reluctant to talk about his cancer. >> at the time, you know, wanted to move on. wanted to be -- get back to doing what i loved to do and play baseball and not be the cancer patient anymore. >> reporter: but that changed in 2010. >> we just had our first son, i could only imagine what it would be like for him to go through something like this. >> reporter: lester helped launch nvrqt, or never quit in collaboration with the pediatric cancer research collaboration. >> i fought and beat cancer. now it's time to fight for the kids. >> reporter: never quit raising
awareness and money for pediatric cancer research. >> each ball represents a child diagnosed wiscons e with cancer. over 125,000 in the last decade. children's cancer is a monster and we all need to bring it down. >> reporter: having beat be cancer himself, lester's mission now is to strike out cancer for children. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting. >> that wraps things up here. thanks for watching. "around the world" is next. i feel bad we can't give them a verdict that they wanted but legally we could not do that. >> cloaked in darkness, the george zimmerman trial juror speaks out and has a new statement released moments ago. >> new information about hidden weapons on a north korean ship. cuba says they were just old ones being senor