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situation room." looking at live pictures right now outside the florida governor's office, ground zero for what's now a national debate over stand your ground, the controversial self-defense law until serious attack in the wake of the george zimmerman murder trial. these demonstrators are demanding the law be repeal in trayvon martin's name and vowing not to left it under the governor meets them face-to-face. we're joined live with the latest. what's going on, victor? >> reporter: wolf, it's hour 31 of the sit-in of governor scott's. the protesters tell me they were heartbroken when the not guilty verdict came in, but they're using their pain, they say, to change the law, beginning with a conversation with rick scott, and they will not stop until they have one. led by 9-year-old ayman
gabrielle, political -- >> he's actually out of the office today. i'm sorry. >> so they wait, singing in the hallway. and in the reception area. >> for a second day, several dozen members of dream defenders stage a sit-in in the state capital until the gompor meets with them. >> we would like the repeal of stand your ground or some kind of modification where we can hold people responsible to a level that humanity expects. >> reporter: for citizens who feel -- is on the books in more than 20 states. the 2012 shooting of trayvon martin sparked nationwide demonstrations action and saturday's acquittal has renewed
the opposition to stand your ground. >> if the state of florida is fine with 17-year-olds being gunned down, i think it needs a check. >> reporter: governor scott spoke about it today? pensacola. >> i took advice from the president. we had great people on the committee, they went around the state and listened. >> reporter: state representative alan williams introduced a bill to overturn stand your ground last session. >> i believe these students are bringing the appropriate amount of passion and concern to a cause that hopefully will put pressure on the entire system to say we must do something.
what the protesters you are hope will -- which will also eliminate zero-tolerance policies in schools and deal with racial profiling in the state. there have been exchanges between my producer and the governor's communications director all day, 6 to 10 e-mails, asking will the governor speak with the protesters? that's not been a direct answer, but our request for an interview was declined. victor, let us know in that changes. the zimmerman juror who sat down with our own -- is also weighing in on florida's laws, and in this statement issued exclusively to cnn. she says -- my prayers are with all those who have the influence and power to modify the laws that left we some no verdict option other than not guilty in order to remain within the
instructions. no other families should be forced to endure what the martin family has endured. that statement comes after she told anderson in part 2 of this interview that she believes zimmerman was justified in shooting trayvon martin. >> in your heart and in your head, you are 100% convinced that george zimmerman in taking out his gun and pulling the trigger did not wrong? >> it's 101% that he was -- that he should have done what he did, except for the things that he did before. >> you mean he shouldn't have gotten out of the car? he shouldn't have pursued trayvon martin? but in a final analysis, in a final struggle. >> >> in the end -- >> he was justified. >> he was justified in shooting trayvon martin. >> juror b-37 also says in her statement she won't be doing any more interviews.
joining now is some reaction for the martin family attorney, benjamin crump. thank you for coming in. >> thank you for having me. >> your quick reaction to what he heard from this juror, who said the six women on the jury, they really had no choice given the instructions that were given by the judge. i think certainly we have to do something from the stand your ground law. it encourages people to feel like they can initiate -- be the aggressor, confront somebody action and thej if they are losing, can shoot somebody and say i was standing my ground or self-defense. it makes no sense, when you really think about it. you can't start the book in the middle of the book. you have to start at the beginning. he profried trayvon martin, followed him, got out of his car to follow him, and then minutes later trayvon is shot in the
heart. it's hard for me to think about the jury when she said has been -- as they had no choice, because at that time, what happened to lead up to that, and that's very important, wolf. we can never, ever let people forget, he made a conscious decision to get out of his car and chase a kid who was running away from him. that's why people are so passionate. we see this could be anybody's child. >> listen to what else this juror b-37 what she said about what trayvon martin did that night that she thought was a mistake. >> oh, i believe he played a huge role in his death. he could have -- when george confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home. he didn't have to do whatever he did and come back and be in a fight.
>> so you hear her effectively blaming trayvon martin, at least in part, for his own death? >> and it's troubling, because listen to what she says. normally we don't comment on jurors as officers of the court, but she came out rather quickly and started giving interviews about her service. she says an adult confronted a child, up and down because the child didn't get away fast enough or decided they were going to defend themselves, we should blame the child. it flies in the face of common sense, when you really think about it. trayvon ran from him. we have objective evidence from the 911 tapes. we have the friend he was with on the phone it's clear to everybody trayvon martin was -- it was beautiful to see the young people demonstrate.
this is really about children, and this is every parent's worst nightmare to have a stranger follow your kid, your kid don't know who this person is. we teach our children not to to run from them. that's what happened. so what do we tell our children now, wolf? what do we tell little black and brown boys walking down the street after this verdict when the next person confronts them? there's a press didn't set action and that is something we have to address or we'll see this play out again and again. >> do you think the prosecution did a good job? >> well, the family -- we applaud angela's office for bringing this case. we know it was not something other prosecutors would have done, so we applaud them. i think in the end fought it right to the heart of the middle when prosecutor said if the roles were reversed, and you had trayvon martin proo filing and then kill an unarmed george
zimmerman, what would your vertebra be then? i think that's the heart of the matter, equal justice. we all know what would have happened and when a defense lawyer for trayvon martin says if he would have been black, he doesn't think he would have been arrested, that's assinine. you can go any courtroom, and watch the alarming rate at which black males are prosecuted and convicted. not without hardly any evidence. >> a couple questions on where we go from here. will the family file a wrongful death civil lawsuit against george zimmerman? >> the family will explore all their legal options. right now they're still trying to make sense of this tragedy. as she said, she will not let this verdict define trayvon martin, and i think a big part of that legacy is having the
because the strategists seem to suggest because there was a crime committed by an african-american male in that gated community, then the neighborhood watch volunteer had an open license, had a right to profile and follow any black teen walking through his neighborhood. now, the united states supreme court said not even the police can profile based on race, so we're going to let private citizens do it? if that's not the case, then they need to protect trayvon martin's civil rights that were violated on february 26th, 2012, when his killer followed him and shot him in the heart. final question, tracy martin and sybrina, how are they doing? >> obviously they were heartbroken, wolf, but as ms. martin said, we have to roll up our sleeves and do even more work to make sure this doesn't
happen to anybody else's child, and mr. martin thanks everybody for all the peaceful protests, and as he says, trayvon can't rest in peace if we're not peaceful. fimplts peaceful a keyword. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you for having me. this important programming note to our viewers, please be sure to tune in tonight for an anderson cooper special report only here on cnn. when we come back, a fiery debate just ahead over the controversial stand your ground law. the reverend jesse jackson is here, together with a prominent tea party activist. they have very different views. they will debate. also dangerous 100-degree temperatures baking the northeast right now. relief may not be in sight for days. we'll have the latest forecast. stay with us. tony used priceline to book this 4 star hotel. tell 'em why.
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happening now, he always has plenty to say. the reverend jesse jackson is about to join us live. a new report says police are tracking where you drive. civil libertarians call it an outrage. even the queen is talking about waiting for the royal baby. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in "the situation room." until now nobody would have guessed one of the next year's most interesting senate races would be the one in oning. today many people are talking about liz chaney, the former vice president dick cheney's daughter entering the race.
she's joining us right now, dana, i guess he was about as surprised as anyone, right? >> that's right. sources close to liz cheney, that knows her has always wanted to live in and represent the state of wyoming. she does not envision creating an internal battle. that was not her plan, but certainly her reasons political and personal she decided now is her time. day one on the campaign trail for liz cheney. >> i indeed will be a candidate for the senate in wyoming. >> reporter: she was obvious at her father's side and made a name for herself as a neo conservative. >> we're weaker than we were when barack obama took office. >> reporter: now her political opponent is a fellow republican in the senate, but a rhetorical
target is still the democrat in the white house. >> president obama has lost a war on our second amendment rights, launched a war on our religious freedom, used the i.r.s. to launch a war on our freedom of speech. >> reporter: she doesn't even mention the man she's trying to unseat. mikensy has been a cheney family friend for decades. he was careful not to criticize her directly, but made clear the challenge stings. >> i'm only surprised if i said i ran, she wouldn't, and she announced 30 minutes after i more specifically stated my intention. >> reporter: it was this dig for announcing more mo. >> people in wyoming don't believe in long campaigns. in fact they'll complain. >> she moved with her family to wyoming last year from suburban washington. sources close to her say she's travel to every wyoming county, and as has family roots dating
back to the 1800s, but this unexpected battle is not sitting well. >> i think it's the wrong race at the wrong time. >> reporter: other incumbents such from not being conservative enough. many gop sources say not enzi. >> i know who the customer s. i listen to the customer, and then i see how that fits with the inventory i've got, which is what we're doing here with legislation. >> reporter: enzi is 69 years old, cheney, a 46-year-old mother of five is arguing for fresh blood. >> it's -- >> reporter: are you too old to be senator? >> i'm absolutely not too old. i would say i'm in the median age for this body. >> reporter: for the record, wolf, the median age is not 69, it's 62 in the senate, but as for liz cheney, she will have a
formidable fund-raising base if she's going to tap into her father's fund-raising coffers, but that may not get her very far in the state of wyoming. as you know, wolf, it's not a very expensive state. so really what voters expect from the politicians is campaigning old-fashioned style, retail politics, and a source close to her says she understands that and will work it as much as she can. >> we'll see what happened. could have been a tough, tough context. we'll watch it every extend of the way. thank you very much. all right. you are being tracked. that's the blunt warning today from the american civil liberties union, but their new report has nothing to do with your phone calls or web surfing or leaks. instead the aclu says it's obtained records that states are combine enormous databases of everywhere you drive. because of fairly new technology you probably don't know even
exists. dan simon shows us what automatic license plate readers can do. >> reporter: can cameras moupted on a police cruiser. >> we're looking at a license plate directly across the street. >> cops in san leandro, california, can capture and report license plates as they drive down any street. an efficient molest to catch car thieves or pull over vehicles that show up in a criminal database. >> with technology and good, smart policing, it allows us to keep our public safety. >> when a local activist to petition the police department, he says he was stunned by what he saw. >> did you think it was a case of big brother's gone too far? >> yes, i do think that. i have not been charged with, not suspected of committing any crime. >> reporter: he found what he says is an egregious violation of privacy, where police just
happen to get images of his car and more. >> so this picture shows my car parked in the driveway of my house, very clearly shows my daughters and myself getting out of. >> reporter: the scanner is always on. any time a police officers drives the car, it's recording, stories license plates on the servers. in just a few minutes. police say the data can later be accessed to solve crimes. but he says a line has clearly been crossed. >> innocent people should not have their records being stored by law enforcement. >> reporter: law enforcement has wholeheartedly embraced this technology. more than a third are using automated plate readers, according to a study by george mason university. three cameras on the car. they capture plates instantaneously, cross-checked
for vehicles, so if a car comes across as being stolen, the officer will be instantly alerted. it's not that data collection is bad, critics say, but that departments keep the information on file, sometimes for months action sometimes for years. every department has its own policy. san lee ando keeps it for a year irs once they have the location of your plate and where you were on that date and time, that they scanned your plate, they can see where you work, who you associate with, where you pray, where you're going to the doctor, and they can learn quite a lot about you. >> in order to have a discussion about something like this, people have to know what's happening. >> reporter: police tell us the technology is only been official against crime suspects, but some say there needs to be more transparency and limits to what information can be gathered and stored on citizens doing nor
more than driving their cars. dan simon, cnn, san leandro, california. just 45ed, the reverend jesse jackson and cofounder of the new york city tea party, david webb, they're both here and will join us in a serious dexwat on florida's stand your ground laws. i'm the next american success story. working for a company where over seventy-five percent of store management started as hourly associates. there's opportunity here. i can use walmart's education benefits to get a degree, maybe work in it,
did not invoke the law as part of the defense, but it does impact the judge's instructions to the jury, and the juror b-37 told our anderson cooper exclusively that the stand your ground law played an integrate part in the decision to find him not guilty. >> because of the heat of the moment and the stand your ground, he had a right to defend himself. if he felt threatened, that his life was going to be taken away or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right. >> even though he had gotten out of car and followed martin, that didn't matter in the deliberations. what mattered is the firchl seconds, minutes, when there was an altercation and whether or not in your mind, the most important thing was whether or not george zimmerman felt his life was in danger? >> that's how we read the law. that's how we got to the point of everybody being not guilty. >> that's the law in florida right now. let's discuss what he just heard. reverend jesse jackson is the
founder of rainbow push coalition, and david webb, the cofounder of the new york city tea party 365, host of the david webb show on sirius/xm radio. thanks for joining us to discuss this important subject. why do you believe the stand your ground law in florida should be repealed? >> it is provocative and lends itself to subjective interpretation. since it has been law, deaths have tripled in their numbers. and it lends itself to stereotype. in the case of zimmerman, he was an armed man, saw a boy who he thought should not be in the neighborhood that actually lived there, pursued him over the objections of the dispatcher. he stereo typed him. ultimately it was a confrontation. he murdered him and walked away. had he not pursued him,
furthermore, that the jury took into account that he had the right to be there and the right to kim him. i disagree with that strongly. >> that's the law, though, in florida. go ahead, david, do you want to respond to that? i want well, first, wolf, i do believe we should have a review of the stand your ground law. i'm concerned in florida, where in miami, for instance action gangs are using it as part of a defense if two gangs have an altercation and there's a shooting. you've been talking with judges and attorneys down there about that. so i do believe in reviewing the law, and making sure it's effective. what the reverend is talking about, however, he invoked the events leading up to the altercation. the law as it's written, allowed for that. the defense as you pointed out did no use it as part of the defense, and was acquitted to all charges as justifiable. we should stay within the boundaries of the law as written. we should have a review of the
law, which the governor's office did begin and we should continue with that. >> go ahead, reverend jackson, a problem with that? >> yes, all the while that was a law that's provocative. people have more access to guns, and we've seen an increase in killings. what concerns me very much now is that one interpretation in sanford where a man killed a man, walks away, now has put his gun back in the holster, because he's set free, and the examiner in jackson 1ri8 is facing 20 years. >> we're going to get to that case. >> already have been served three. >> we'll get to that case shortly. let me point out this, in the "tampa bay times" did a study of the stand your ground laws, 200 case over the past few years, the study came out last year. among other things they concluded this, and david, pay attention. defendants claiming stand your
ground are more likely to prevail if the victim is black, 73% of those who killed a black person face no penalty, compared to 59% of those who killed a white person, if you will. so that there seems to be a problem, if you believe the study conducted by the "tampa bay times" which is a serious newspaper. >> i would have to look at the full metrics of that before i take it just on face value. there are other factors in this, wolf. it's not -- by the way, the reverend mistakenly characterizes gun ownership as a as a result or growth in gun ownership as a result of stand your ground. they cannot be inexorably tied together as a factor. if the real issue here that the reverend and naacp wants to put on the table is stand your grown, i 40e7 they review the case of trevor dualie, a black man who shot a whiteman and asserted stand your ground as
his defense. what we have is when a white shoots a black, there is a public outcry, and then we get into the race issues, but when a black man shoots a whiteman, there's not the same outcry over the very same law that's being asserted. >> go ahead and respond, reverend. >> you see.law of intercept -- the fact that more plaques are shot, it doesn't really matter. it's simply more killings. these stand your ground laws make us less secure. they do not make us more secure, and you have the travesty in the sanford, florida, today, because mr. zimmerman felt he had the right to exercise that law. the jury culturally identified with mr. sdimer man. since the jury did not have a black man on it, there was no counterbalance in the entire debate about it. they used this law. >> you know, this is so disingenius reverend jackson, one to tie facts or assertions
as facts, and then to go into if there wasn't a black or there wasn't some. the jury was a jury chosen by both the prosecution and the defense, people that were included and people kept as jurors. it's such a ridiculous assertion by you to say those women could not have come to a decision because of the color of their skin. that is part of the problem with what's happened and the travesty that followed the tragedy. trayvon martin didn't deserve to die, and this was a tragedy where two elements that i hope wish had never met and we don't know what happened in the key minutes, but to take that ridiculous assertion is, one, an insult to the system in the united states, and it's also an insult to those women and the people who fought this case on both sides of our justice system. >> in the united states, a jury of your peers matter. there was no peer among the prosecutors nor among the jurors. >> it doesn't say the juror --
>> it's not so much the color as their culture. they culturally felt that not only did he have the right to pursue trayvon, but he was doing a good thing by pursuing him. then he went on to say mr. zimmerman, that this is -- they get away with this too much and rob people. that's a stereotype. he was a boy going home, but he in fact himself was -- and he did the wrong thing. so your assertion is if the jury can come down your way, they would be well, but because they didn't come down the way you would like it, now you want to blame the jury. is that certainlially what you're saying? >> what i'm saying is when an armed man kills an unarmed boy -- >> but the question is about the jury i realize and walks away, the police department takes not even a blood test or a drug test
or alcohol test, has all those freedoms, and comes out the winner in the end, where the victim becomes a source of provocation, that does 123409 seem lodge call. the point -- and we're going to come back to this, but the prosecution and the defense attorneys, they both accepted these six women as the jury. they went through a lot of folks who could have been on the jury, but both sides accepted these six women as the jury in florida. all right. stand by, david webb, jesse jackson. we're going to continue this conversation. also another florida case in the spotlight because of the stand your ground law in that state. a woman claims self-defense, ends up, though, serving 20 years behind bars. stay with us. ♪ norfolk southern what's your function? ♪ ♪ hooking up the country helping business run ♪ ♪ build! we're investing big to keep our country in the lead. ♪ load! we keep moving to deliver what you need. and that means growth, lots of cargo
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. we're going to continue our conversation with jesse jackson and david webb in a moment. but first another florida indication because of the state's controversial self-defense laws. john zarrella has the story of one woman serving 20 years after her stand your ground defense was denied. >> in the wake of the george zimmerman verdict social media is her name, marissa alexander and now she's got some high-profile supporters, including reverend jesse jackson, who visited her inside jail tuesday, and is ramping up efforts to renew her freedom. she was prosecuted by angela cory's office, the same office that handled zimmerman.
but unlike zimmerman, this one involved florida's controversial stand your ground law. and unlike zimmerman, alexander is doing time, a lot of it. 20 years mandatory. and she didn't kill anyone. she says it was self-defense, but last year, alexander was convicted of aggravated assault, with a deadly weapon. >> he managed to get the door open and that's when he strangled me. he put his hands around my neck. >> alexander is talking about her husband, rico gray. she was in her bathroom, she says, when gray came after her. alexander managed to get away. made it to the garage and grabbed her gun. she fired, striking the wall. during an interview with cnn -- >> what if you went around him to go out the door, your life would have been easier today if you did that. >> but the law says i don't have to. >> alexander's attorney invoked florida's stand your ground law. she feared for her life. >> i believe when he threatened to kill me, that's what he was going to do. >> but the court denied her
immunity from prosecution. her trial attorney told cnn she had a legitimate self-defense claim based on the history of abuse at the hands of her spouse. her husband had been arrested on abuse charges and received probation for an earlier incident. he ultimately testified quote, i begged and pleaded for my life when she had the gun. alexander's motion for bond pending appeal has been denied. john zarrella, cnn, miami. >> you've taken up this case, reverend jackson. give us an in a nutshell why you think this woman does not deserve to be in jail right now. >> let me just say quickly to mr. webb, i don't see winners and losers in this case of trayvon and zimmerman, one dead, both stained, both families deserve our prayers, i hope we can get over this nonviolently with dignity. secondly on the issue of marissa, here's a woman who had been battered while pregnant. she was pump-feeding milk for
her child into the container. another altercation occurred. she felt she was attacked physically and she felt threatened. she escaped, got a gun. she could have shot him point-blank range, she shot in the wall or the roof and for that, interpretation of that, has she's been there three years, she got 17 more years to go. she should be appeal should be accepted. she should be free to be with her three children. >> david, you agree? >> on this case, i think we need to take a look at angela cory's office and how they prosecute. under the law she had right to defend herself. she was in imminent danger. as you said, instead of shooting him, she shot into the wall. the office is the question here. when you look at angela cory's office, there are many troubling inaccuracies or inconsistencies. with how they handled this. when it comes to stand your ground and other prosecutions.
>> angela cory, as the state attorney who was responsible for this case, the marissa alexander case, as well as the george zimmerman case. so, so reverend jackson, i know you're in jacksonville right now, is there anything you can really do to change the situation, as far as an appeal is concerned? >> we can make it public and make a moral appeal. the more the word gets out, even mr. webb is likely to end up marching with us, i think mr. webb can agree with me on this matter. that the sentence was disproportionate, excessive, unnecessary, tearing away a mother from her three children, based upon no injury or intent on her to kill. it's excessive and i hope that the parole judge will hear us and the massive public outcry will have an impact. >> are you ready to start marching david? >> on this one i agree there should be an absolute review of this case at a higher level. give her her rights under florida law to defend herself. >> david webb, thanks very much
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for people across much of the united states -- when will it cool down. and the boston bombing suspect gets the rock star treatment and backlash for the being on the cover of the "rolling stone" magazine. i'm wolf blitzer, this is the situation room. today is long, stressful hours in court and in the jury room and we're now learning how the six women who determined george zimmerman's fate broke the tension with visits from family and even an outing to the mall. the seminole county sheriffs office just released some fascinating details about the jury sequester, including the cost to taxpayers and how the women were monitored. barry snow is joining us, she's got more on what we are now learning. mary? >> well wolf, the six women spent 22 days together and the seminole county sheriffs office kept tabs on all their communications. jurors were sequestered, at a
marriott hotel in lake mary, florida, where they could have visits from family and friends on the weekend, as well as members of the religious community. but anyone visiting members of the jury had to sign an agreement that they wouldn't discuss the case or disclose any information to outside parties. about the details of their visit. now, the jurors had security at all times, they did leave their hotel at times. including some weekend excursions that included a bowling trip. a visit to the ripley's believe it or not museum. watching fireworks on the fourth of july and two movies, "world war z" and "the lone ranger." and dinners out, including an outback steakhouse in sanford. the sheriffs office says the cost for sequestration were approximately $33,000. it's still counting the total cost of the trial to the sheriffs office, the preliminary tally is $320,000, that includes over time, equipment and trial-related expenses.
to make sure that the jurors weren't exposed to any information about the trial, all phone calls, internet use, mail, anything they read, was monitored by sheriff deputies and then logged. wolf? >> new information about the trial and the jury, mary, thank you. the juror in the george zimmerman trial spoke exclusively to cnn, says she's done talking publicly about the case. and she appears to be pushing for a change in the law that will -- today the juror known as b-37 wrote this. my prayers are with all of those who have the influence and power to modify the laws that left me with no verdict option other than not guilty, in order to remain within the instructions. no other family should be forced to endure what the martin family has endured. many critics who listened to the juror's interview with anderson cooper, say she sounded more
sympathetic to george zimmerman than the trayvon martin family. last night she spoke about the martin family and her own anguish. >> did you cry in the jury room. >> i cried after the verdict. i didn't cry when they were reading the verdict out in the jury room. because we were all crying before we went in. and then -- >> what do you mean you were crying before you went in? >> we were in a separate room when, when the foreman handed the bailiff, our verdict. and then we were crying back there before we went into the jury room. so they gave us about 20 minutes to try and get everything together. >> what do you think you were crying about? >> the pressure. the pressure of all of it. and everything just kind of came to a head. because i kind of tried to keep everything out. emotionally out during the whole process. and then it just flooded in after it was done. >> but you want people to know and the reason you're speaking
is you want people to know how seriously i took this. >> i do. i don't want people to think that we didn't think about it and we didn't care about trayvon martin. because we did. we're very sad that it happened to him. >> and you want his family to know that as well? >> i do. and i feel bad that we can't give them the verdict that they wanted. but legally, we could not do that. >> do you think trayvon martin played a role in, in his own death? this wasn't just something that happened to him this is something he also -- >> i believe he played a huge role in his death. he could, he could have, when george confronted him, and he could have walked away and gone home. he didn't have to do whatever he did and come back and be in a fight. >> and the other jurors felt that as well? >> they did.
i mean, as far as i, my perspective of it, they did. >> a while ago, i spoke with the martin family, attorney ben crump and i asked them to expand to the juror effectively blaming at least in part, trayvon martin for his own death. >> she says an adult confronted a child, and the child didn't get away fast enough or decided that they were going to defend themselves, we should blame the child? it just flies in the face of common sense. when you really think about it. trayvon ran from him. we have objective evidence from the 911 tapes, we have the friend he was with on the phone. and it's clear to everybody, trayvon was running away from george zimmerman and george zimmerman ran up after him and now we're going to blame the kid? >> let's discuss what we just heard. joining us now the criminal defense attorney dachbrren
kavanoci. let's talk about the juror and the interviews she gave to anderson. the juror says legally they could not give the martin family the verdict they wanted. what does that indicate about the laws in florida, as opposed to the specific case and the specific charges that the prosecution leveled? >> well first of all, i'm not entirely sure that the premise is a correct one. the job of the jurors is to make factual findings and then apply it to the law that's given to them by the judge. and in this particular case, we know that some of those factual findings may have actually been influenced by some inadmissible evidence and wolf, if you think back to during the case and during the interview with anderson, when this juror said one of the important things that these jurors were influenced by was the opinion of detective vino, that george zimmerman was telling the truth. and this was something that the jurors deemed to be an important fact in assessing the credibility. but if you remember, that opinion was introduced at the end of testimony one day.
and the next day the judge admonished them that this was impermissible, that they were disregard it. and clearly one of the things we learned from anderson's interview is that that wasn't done. they were actually influenced and swayed by it. so i don't know -- by the way, that's just one example of what happened inside that jury room. my point is, though, i don't think this is about changing the law. as much as it is rescting the job of the jurors and we asked them to do an insanely difficult task. >> well, if, obviously they're human beings. if they hear one of the investigators say that, even though the next morning the judge says, don't pay any attention to it, how you cannot pay attention to it. if you've heard it in the courtroom? what do you do about a situation like this? >> well you're exactly right. that we're essentially asking them to unring a bell. you know once that information is out, it's hard to disregard it. but they're specifically told that they are to do that. and one of the things that was surfaced during anderson's
interview was that exactly that did not happen. and in looking at it i think that's an important fact. you know, what we do during juror selection or perhaps more appropriately, jury deselecting when we're getting rid of jurors that we don't want, is we're, we're asking a bunch of lay people, because usually we get rid of the lawyers, we're asking a bunch of people with no formal legal training to come into a case to get the law delivered to them in rapid-fire fashion, if you think back to how those jury instructions were read. it was, it was almost like an auctioneer selling something to those jurors. and we put them back there with no real legal training and asked them to make incredibly difficult, complicated decisions. it's no wonder in looking at high-profile cases like this, while there is such a calling for professional jurors, there's some kind of way to change the system to function more effectively. >> the juror also says that at the end, she felt trayvon martin wasn't really as well-known by d
the jury let's say as george zimmerman. what does that reflect as far as the prosecution is concerned? in other words, did they do enough to paint a picture of trayvon martin to the six women on the jury? >> i don't think they did. and candidly, i think there were many prosecutial missteps in the prosecution of this case. there were failures that went back as far as the investigation. we heard about this during the trial the improper handling of the forensic evidence at the scene. probably one of the biggest blunders in looking back at it was that when the police had the initial interviews with george zimmerman, they failed to ask the tough, specific questions, they allowed george to speak in generalities, of course when we got into the presentation of the case, the prosecution made what i considered to be one of the most enormous tactical blunders in the presentation of the evidence. that they played those interviews, at a time in the
case that effectively removed any need of george zimmerman to take the stand himself. and of course, while the prosecution can never force a criminal defendant to take the stand, because of the fifth amendment right to remain silent, from a practical matter, when we're looking at the presentation of evidence and the chess game that goes on between lawyers in a criminal trial, whenever the defendant claims self-defense, there's got to be some evidence of what was going on in their mind at the time, to make it reasonable to do what they did. and in the way that the prosecution handled this case, we got george zimmerman's state of mind from those interviews, not from zimmerman himself. where he would have been subjected to cross-examination. i think it would have made for an entirely different trial. >> we'll never know about that for sure. but good analysis, darren kavanocki, thanks for joining us. you bet. >> people across the northeast are coping with dangerous heat and the forecast for when it will end. and a deadly disaster at sea
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the national mall. you see a few people trying to brave it behind me, but temperatures are in the mid 90s and they're expected to stay that way for the rest of the week. it officially constitute as heat wave. we asked a few people to take this infrared thermometer to see how tough is it going to be to ride the wave. >> will it feel hot and uncomfortable this afternoon? absolutely. >> sometimes weather is a job. >> the heat wave lingers on. >> sometimes weather gets in the way of a job. like working on a washington, d.c. roof, 13 stories above the scorching city. >> try to stay hydrated. >> sam and tim were looking for any relief they could find. >> that building where there's no air moving, it's terrible, it's hot. you just sweating all day. constantly. >> there's good reason. construction superintendant mike hammer measured the morning heat on the roof. >> 115. 116. 117.
118. >> 118 degrees on the construction site. 174 degrees above the grill in a korean barbeque food truck, 124 degrees on top of a double decker tourist bus, where a visiting texan found not everything is bigger in her home state. >> it's 85 in dallas. >> in the northeast the high temperatures and humidity have pushed the heat index so it feels more like 110. connecticut set up cooling centers. >> it's around 100 degrees, what can be nicer than being in the nice cool room here. >> utilities officials say new yorkers are seeking the cool so much they may set a new record for electricity usage. some baltimore residents discovered what happens when the heat knocks the power out. >> i just suffered it out. >> in iowa, francine was glad to see a repairman when her air conditioner went out just as she needed it most.
>> i cranked open the window and i could see the line was all frosted up. >> it's summer in washington. construction workers labor, tourists crowd the national mall, the sentinels guarded tomb of the unknown. their call of duty doesn't melt away in the heat. >> it turns out it is too hot to do some things. i talked to a roofing company who said they kept their crews home because they thought it was too dangerous up working with shingles on the 13th story of that building. they decided not to use any tar. he said they'll wait until it cools off. but if you look at the forecast it could be a couple more days before that happens. >> we'll look at the forecast, emily, thanks very much. everyone wants to know, when will we get some relief? here's the man who can tell us, our meteorologist chad myers. he's over at the cnn weather center. chad, what's the answer? >> the answer, is saturday. wolf, thursday, friday, actually get hotter from here. this is the coolest day of the
rest of the week until saturday. the heat index in philly will be 104 tomorrow. washington, d.c., 103. you get toward annapolis, it will be more muggy. you're down by the chesapeake, the heat index could run to 107. it's hot in the east, cold in the west. it's how this always works out. when one goes up, the other goes down. and finally, temperatures will go down on the weekend. sunday into monday, back into the 80s for d.c. even boston will get down into the 70s for highs by the time monday rolls around. here's your philadelphia forecast. from the heat index tomorrow of 104 down to 86 by monday. that will feel good. at least few degrees from where you are now will make you feel better. whereas even new york city tomorrow, it's going to be 98 degrees and temperatures that i'm showing you, heat index that we talk about, 102, 103, those are always in the shade. if you're standing in the sunshine, you'll feel 15 degrees warmer. that one person said it was like sitting in a sauna. but in a sauna, you sit.
if you have to go outside and work in this, it's worse than being in a sauna. you're using all of your moisture to perspire and try to keep yourself cool. make sure the pets have plenty of water, shade and please don't let anybody in a car later on this week or even for that matter tonight. because the heat index right now where you are, wolf, is still 99 at 6:00 at night. still 99. >> how unusual is this, chad? >> it's summer, honestly, we're not really breakingny records. what's unusual is how many days in a row this is happening. which will now be five. we had a break last week. but bhf that, we had another heat wave of another five days, so this is almost two weeks in a row with only a couple of days in between. >> chad, thanks very much. chad with the latest. hopefully 80 degrees, 85 degrees sounds pretty good to me right now. coming up, new details you've never heard before about what actually happened on the deadly wreck by the "costa concordia," stand by. and outrage over a magazine
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causing personal injury to 150 people when he slammed the "costa concordia" cruiseliner into rocks in january 2012. he faces 20 years in prison for these charges. 32 people lost their lives in that disaster, two bodies have never been recovered. and the court today heard how each and every one of those people died, including whether or not they were wearing life vests. captain sketenno listened seriously, but he was a little bit fidgety as the court went through the details of the disaster there were 250 civil plaintiffs whose cases will be heard in court in tandem with the criminal charges, we're expecting the trial to last up to a year or more before a verdict is reached. up next, the nsa leaker in a political tug of war here in the united states. might it end up with a boycott of the olympic games in russia? and second-term blues as president obama stuck in a paralyzing rut right now? and
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the nsa leaker stirring up more international tension, this hour, a new call for the united states to boycott the olympic games in russia. plus, president obama is six months into his second term. but some critics now say it feels like his administration is practically over. and the backlash over the new cover of "rolling stone" magazine. that makes the boston bombing suspect maybe look like a rock star. i'm wolf blitzer, you're in the "situation room." the case of the nsa leaker, edward snowden is threatening to cast a chill on next year's winter olympic games in russia. one senator is pressing the white house for a u.s. boycott at least potentially. our chief white house correspondent, jesse yellin is joining us with details. jessica. what's going on and what's the reaction over at the white house? >> wolf, all this trouble is
caused by one u.s. senator who stands alone in suggesting that the u.s. press russia to send them a strong message by boycotting the upcoming olympics. his threats that gotten so much noise that now the u.s. olympic committee has issued its own statement saying these kinds of boycotts, just don't work. at the white house, press second jay carney batted away questions about fallout if russia grants nsa leaker edward snowden asylum. >> i'm not going to engage in speculation about that. >> you're not jumping to a superficial headline, were you? >> what headline? south carolina senator lindsay graham floated the idea of a u.s. boycott of the winter olympics that will be held in sochi, russia, in march. >> that seems disconnected to me. >> he told cnn's jake tapper that strained relations in with
russia have made worse by the snowden mess. graham also took issue with the president's plans to visit st. petersburg for a long-planned g-20 summit in december. >> i would ask for a change of venue. >> the white house is dismissing both ideas. >> we're focused on working with the russians. >> so is this republican. >> i love senator graham. we've been close friends for 20 years. but i think he's dead wrong. why would we want to punish u.s. athletes who have been training for three years. to compete compete in the olympics over a traitor who can't find a place to call home. >> the russia expert agrees. so what are the chances the u.s. ends up boycotting the russia olympics. >> i think the chances are somewhere south of zero. again i think it's because one, it makes the united states look like the villain in this saga
more than russia and it would also further damage the bilateral relationship even as we're trying to work together with russia to settle all of these other issues. iran, syria, cybersecurity, a lot of different things. >> today russian president, vladimir putin signaled he wants the snowden situation involved. saying -- >> translator: we warned mr. snowed than any action by him that could cause damage to russian-american relations is unacceptable for us. >> this is one bit of leverage that the white house has continued to play with. the white house has repeatedly said the president still intends to go to the jug-20 summit in s petersburg in december. they will not say whether or not the president plans to keep a scheduled one-on-one meeting with president puten in moscow that's to take place beforehand. they're staying vague on that to
use it as a leverage to push russia to resolve this situation with snowden. if that doesn't work we could find the unusual situation of the u.s. president in moscow, at the very same time that the nsa leaker is not far from him in the same city. wolf? >> we'll see what happens in early september at the g-20 summit in st. petersburg, russia. jessica, thanks very much. fareed zakaria is joining us, the host of "fareed zakaria gps" that airs sundays on cnn. fareed, how tough does the obama administration need to get to deal with the russians on this whole snowden issue? you heard what lindsay graham is saying. >> yeah, i'm puzzled by what graham is, senator graham is saying because it sounds more like posturing, masquerading as foreign policy. he says he doesn't want to boycott the olympics, but he wants to get their attention. well, you know you're not going to get their attention by an empty threat, which is a bluff. remember what the russians did, which caused jimmy carter to
boycott the olympics in 1980. they invaded afghanistan. that seems like a proportionate response. here we are dealing with a complicated case, where this guy has been exposed, has exposed the fact that the u.s. is engaging in espionage activities against the russians, against the chinese. the russians therefore have every incentive to make this difficult. frankly we would do the same if it were the tables were turned. and president putin has actually been pretty responsible on the issue. he has kept saying, look, our relations with the united states are more important than this guy. i'm not going to let him derail it. so the whole idea that the russians are playing some kind of nasty game, i don't know, maybe i'm seeing a different set of news items than senator graham is. putin has actually been more cooperative, certainly than the chinese and many, many other countries and as i say, if the roles were reversed, i'm not
quite sure what we would do. >> even other republicans, like john boehner, the speaker and john mccain they disagreed with lindsay graham. what about this other notion that lindsay graham says forget about the olympics next year, but what about the early september g-20 summit in st. petersburg, russia? what about simply moving that to a different location? >> well, no other country would agree to that. and again, we have to remember, this is, the premise of all this, is that the russians are behaving in some completely outlandish fashion. they're not, they're dealing with a complex situation, they're certainly not supporting us and giving in immediately and they're protecting their own interests and exploiting what is an awkward moment for the united states. countries take this sort of espionage fairly seriously. when they catch somebody, they exploit it to their fullest advantage. you know better than anyone, wolf, jonathan pollard, the american caught spying for israel, is now in jail in the
united states. it's been four israeli prime ministers who have repeatedly asked for release from the united states their closest ally. and we haven't done that these issues of espionage can be quite complex. but putin says he doesn't want to jeopardize the relationship with our friends and partners, the americans, he said that at a student forum and the students started laughing, because putin's reputation is of a hard-line russian nationalist and anti-american. so i think this is case where this is more posturing and be bellicosity. we don't live in that world any more and maybe we never did maybe it exists in senator graham's imagination, but not in reality. >> fareed zakaria, as usual, thank you. >> pleasure. up next, should the president say more about the george zimmerman verdict? we're going to talk about a series of controversial issues facing the obama administration and the president right now.
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. let's talk about politics and president of the united states for a fourth day for a fourth day in a row, the president has avoided making any comments about the zimmerman case. the zimmerman verdict. he did release a written statement on sunday respecting the jury's decision, saying that should stand, some political observers say the trial has
gotten so much attention in part because americans have lost interest in the president. six months into the president's second term. certainly has a lot of unfinished business to do. so what will he get accomplished over the next three and a half years? let's bring in our chief political analyst, gloria borjer, along with our cnn contributors, maria cardina, does the president need to speak directly to the american people about the zimmerman case? >> at some point he'll be asked about it so he's going to have to answer the question. i'm sure he'll be prepared for it. i think it's a difficult balancing act when you're the president of the united states. he's already said, if i had a son he would look like trayvon. but i think that when you're president and you have a justice department that could has an open investigation, into something, and there could be a civil suit, i think you have to take a step back and let things move along on their own without
polarizing things. because the minute the president starts talking about this, the issue will become about president obama and not about -- >> you remember a year ago, he said if he had a son that son would look like trayvon martin. he's avoided any personal reflections right now, even though eric holder, the attorney general is stepping out making some personal references. >> yes, and i, i agree completely with gloria. i think it would be politically insane for the president to turn, try and further politicize what is obviously already a very fraught issue. i think it would be different if there were actual severe violent riots that followed in the wake of the trial. at the present there's no sort of, i think everybody handled themselves reasonably well. >> you know he was prepared to talk about it. he did four interviews yesterday with spanish-speaking actors and none of them --
>> were you surprised that nobody asked him about this? >> i actually wasn't surprised, wolf and i tweeted this out today when i saw your piece today about how the president hadn't been asked about this on hispanic media and i've gotten a lot of questions as to why, why did this happen. the focus for hispanic media right now and a lot of latinos across the country is immigration reform, laser-like focus on immigration reform. as journalists they would have loved to skt president about it but they have a limited amount of time and so they're going to ask the president about the issue that their viewers care about and that is about immigration reform. the president is telling latino voters to push republicans to do the right thing. the one thing we've seen on hispanic media is that republicans and especially john boehner is getting pummeled by the hispanic media and already writing the narrative that if immigration reform doesn't happen, it's going to be the republican's fault. >> does the president have a
problem, six months into his second term in et going some important stuff done? >> you think? yeah. he's got a big problem. it's sort of like they hit the pause button. now they're trying to get to reset and they haven't been able to do that there are certain things that happened to them like the boston marathon bombing, the edward snowden surveillance issue and they've been criticized for the irs, benghazi, leak investigation and gun control and they're trying to figure out how to push this other stuff away so they can focus on what they want to focus on without polarizing republicans whom they need. >> and they, the president himself has delayed at least for a year, a key part of obama care. >> did anyone who watched the last presidential campaign sit back and think this president, is campaigning on an agenda that he'll have no trouble pushing
through congress. no, the president ran a campaign on fear of mitt romney. defense of his record and basically a promise to stay the course and the one exception is immigration reform. >> and repealing the tax cuts for the wealthy. which he did immediately. >> so once he did that -- >> but the president was clearly, if you watched his convention speech in the campaign, he was clearly going to be some kind of a lame duck six months into his presidency. this was all foreshadowed in the kind of campaign they ran. which was very successful as a conservative i have no problem with the politics. >> if there's going to be gridlock for the next three and a half years, there would be pretty bad for the whole country. >> of course it would be bad. that's why the president puts the power into the hands of the american people to make their voices known. to make sure we actually try to get stuff done for them. but let's remember, within this president run on in 2008? he ran on the economy, is anybody talking about the economy any more?
they're not, there needs to be a budget and tax reform. >> the president keeps pushing that. but the economy is actually doing okay. there needs to be more done, the economy is doing okay. consumer confidence is record high, the auto industry, record jobs, report creation. >> so washington has reconciled themself to what is by historical standards, probably the worst recovery we've seen since the great depression and moved on to gun control and immigration. but in reality, everybody in the country is still -- this is agenda of washington, this is not a democratic problem, it's a bipartisan problem. the agenda of washington is gun control and immigration, issues that are about number 19 and number 20 on voter priorities. the number one voter priority -- >> the american public believes if you look at the polls that the economy is getting better. >> the economy is getting better. >> it's not getting better as quickly as anyone wants. >> to talk about the president,
he has a problem because he is working. he's working behind the scenes, but if he comes out publicy, he alienates people so he's got to get things done. if he gets some pieces of immigration, it will be a success for him. >> he says he's vetoing anything that doesn't include a pathway to citizenship. getting it through the house of representatives right now, we've got to leave it there because we're out of time. it's obviously very problematic. >> yesterday the house said that they are looking at trying to get something done on immigration. >> okay. thanks for the discussion, up next the backlash against "rolling stone" magazine. for a cover featuring the boston bombing suspect, there he is, dzokhar tsarnaev. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. then i got a medicare supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if you're eligible for medicare,
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justice department officials spoke with civil rights leaders monday about the trayvon martin case and calls for federal civil rights charges to be filed against george zimmerman. the attorney general eric older was not on the call. the official described it as a listening session. we are told nothing specific about the justice department's investigation of the case was revealed. many americans are seeing the boston bombing suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev in a new way and critics are saying that is a problem. tsarnaev is featured on "rolling stone" magazine. this is causing quite a
controversy nationwide. brian todd has been looking at what the reaction has been. >> the fallout is significant on several fronts. there is a temporary boycott against "rolling stone" by some of the big chains that sell the magazine and a perception that "rolling stone" is showing dzhokhar tsarnaev with some legends. >> there is outrage that "rolling stone" magazine has tsarnaev on the cover. >> i don't like it. he shouldn't get it. >> i am surprised. it is kind of sad, actually. >> reporter: "rolling stone" touts the article of an in depth investigation as to how the boston marathon went offtrack. a boston firefighter still calls
it insulting. >> the actual picture portrays the innocence of youth. he gave up any innocence he had on april 15 when he took the life of an innocent child, two women and went on to execute a police officer. >> reporter: in a statement editors say their hearts go out to the victims but felt it was important to gain a complete understanding of how a tragedy like this happens. >> there is the potential that the cover could make kids feel like terrorism is cool like you are going to get the rock star treatment by murdering people. >> reporter: the economic fallout started with the second largest drugstore chain saying it will not put the edition on the news stands. the company wouldn't provide anyone for an interview, wouldn't let us film inside their stores but cvs said as a company with a strong presence
in boston it felt this was the right decision out of respect for the victims of the bombings and their relatives. ad week senior editor said that likery won't hurt "rolling stone." if advertisers pull out, she says that would hurt but -- >> usually when magazines or newspapers prepare to public a controversial story that advertisers might be bothered by they let advertisers know in advance. >> "rolling stone" has not commented whether advertisers have pulled ads. as you remember consumers are still talking about famous covers you are seeing here. the man of the year covers featuring hitler and "rolling
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demonstrating stick ability trying to stay in the saddle or in this case get back to it. listen to the announcer praise well known equestrian and when he defies gravity. there are products and clothing that riders count on. they use a powder favored by pole dancers called mighty grip where they spray stuff to the boots or they use sticky bum breaches. none of that would have saved rick wallace. why couldn't you get back up? >> you are going to be rough on me. i think it took a lot of upper body strength. i was a gymnast when i was 15. i am in my 40s now. >> this 19 second effort made rick a hero on websites like horse junkies united. as for mark that horse is a saint. >> he wants you to love him and
love on him. >> not everyone was loving on rick's stick ability. he is using the horse's knees as a step ladder not okay. we don't know if the horse was hanging on rick's words but we know while rick was hanging from the horse he kept talking to it. >> i was like we really have to think about this next time. >> meaning how not to repeat missing the jump that threw rick partly obscured from you. >> gave him a kiss. >> reporter: rick is a stickler for stickability. well done and well hung. cnn new york. >> thank you. that is it for me. thanks for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. outrage over "rolling stone's" new cover.
did the magazine go way too far. protesters demanding florida repeal its stand your ground law. we decided to look at the numbers. does that law lead to bias against one racial group. and new developments in the edward snowden case. will russia's relationship lead to an american olympic boycott? let's go outfront.