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just call the police and don't central command general james do anything. he not only didn't flee a mad s. we had a very lengthy exchange. dangerous situation, he created you are going to want to see the dangerous situation. >> so he -- this tomorrow. i will be back in an hour >> so whatever else he just did, i don't really care. filling in. >> so not redeemable, dean? >> i think there is an assumption and i've questioned this. i don't think overwhelmingly americans look at him as a "ererin burnett outfront" starts horrible guy. he's not bin lauden, donald now. a deadly crash in spain trump, the people i don't like at all. >> he's not anthony weiner. tonight. we have more from the fallout of yesterday's anthony weiner press >> a washington post yesterday conference. we can confirm for you the 51% of white people agree with identity of the woman that he the verdict, 70% of white recently was sending lewd messages to. republicans so having a simm e and the royal baby finally gets man report or something. a name. >> wow. >> you know what? we are going to tell you why he's not seen as a dispickble they chose this moniker. person. a guy that has a god given right let's go out front. to self-defense. that the how 70% of white republicans view him. >> when you say redeem you want it to be more than that. good evening. i'm erin burnett. michael, let me ask you this, the deadly train crash tonight jay-z the raper close friend of the president, everybody knows
in spain. who this guy is, one of the most shocking this is just a high powerful and influential people speed train. in the country in culture. people on their way to madrid. he posted an interview and talked about zimmerman and said as many as 45 people at this moment are dead. the moment keeps changing. hash stuff that could influence people. it was a high speed train that i wanted to play it for you. >> this guy is not a derailed in northwest spain. the numbers of the dead are professional to pry file according to reuters siting someone. professionals are taught not to officials. railway officials say the train profile. a police officer -- >> law enforcement. >> professional law enforcement derailed on a curve as it was officer and i'm taught not to approaching a station in the city which is about 400 miles profile. outside of madrid. this guy is a novemberist. more than 200 passengers were on board. pictures of the scene showed at this guy is a [ bleep ] mall least one train car snapped in cop. >> that's an awful thing to say for people that take pride in that job, michael? two. one other one of the trains cars on fire. >> it is. it is a fluid and tense george zimmerman is 29 years old. he has a young family. what he needs is basically to situation. bodies just literally strewn lie low. he didn't try to get public attention for the fact that he outside that train tonight some and a friend were driving by and covered with make shift blankets or sweaters. they helped these people out of i want to get to al goodman in an overturned vehicle. it was just something he did.
what he really should do is not spain with the story tonight. look like he's trying for redemption. lead normal life, let time work it's magic. the truth is, this is somebody what can you tell us? accused of a serious crime. >> yes. >> he was acquitted. if you lead a normal life and >> this train accident is how it is being described by officials at this point with no early become a solid citizen, don't write a book. indications of terrorism is what that would be the biggest mistake he could make because we are being told by a senior first of all, it would invite a aid to the prime minister lawsuit to attach earnings and ooccurred on a madrid spain look like he's -- >> to capitalize. >> he needs to lead a normal about a six hour train ride. life. >> thanks very much to all of the accident happened about five you and let us know what you hours into it as the train was think. can he redeem himself in the coming into a station. it came off the tracks. eyes of everyone, including many of the cars if not all of the cars came off the tracks. people like jay-z? 218 passengers aboard the train, the end of jay carney? members of the american postal worker's union a crew of at least five or six. they don't know exactly what happened but certainly there are many dead and dozens injured. >> thanks very much reporting live from spain. as we get information we will share that with you. a frightening story because it
is something that could happen absolutely anywhere. people on their way home on a high speed train who have died tonight. we have other breaking news because in washington the house handle more than 165 billion letters and packages a year. has just this moment barely voted down a controversial bill that would have severely curved that's about 34 million pounds of mail every day. the nsa's surveillance program. ever wonder what this costs you as a taxpayer? the bill lost by a vote of 205 millions? tens of millions? hundreds of millions? to 217. not a single cent. it would have ended the programs exposed by nsa's leaker, edward the united states postal service doesn't run on your tax dollars. it's funded solely by stamps and postage. snowden. in the leadup to the vote the brought to you by the men and women bill was strongly opposed by the of the american postal worker's union. white house and congressional leaders. it would have been very unclear if that view would prevail. cnn pentagon correspondent outfront. it didn't go the way some people thought it would. a lot of people were against this amendment. what do you make of the vote tonight? >> well, i think it is clear that this is a very important vote because support for the
administration's position to maintain these programs as the stat quo appears to be quite shaky. deep partisan dwoids on capitol hill about what to do about the surveillance programs, how and if to change them, concerns around the basic question. your personal privacy if you have a telephone versus keeping the country safe and national security. >> so if the amendment, what exactly would have changed here? if you say we can't have blanket surveillance, would anything have changed? >> it would have. it gives us an indication where congress is going and what congress does want to change. let's look at some of the details of this amendment. three key things. it would have only allowed for collection of phone records of someone that was involved at target or related to a government investigation. no more random collection of everybody's phone records. it would have ended that blanket collection effort. and the third really important point is the court, the secret
government court, all of their decisions would have been secret. some of that if this would have passed would have been made available to congress. you begin to see here the shape of this fundamental debate, a really important debate that unveiled itself on capitol hill. the debate between personal privacy in this country and the government's right to snoop. >> barbara starr, thank you very much. tonight in washington the white house sending a huge message and one that a lot of you wondered if they would send. the obama administration taking its first direct action against egypt's military for the ouster which many call a coup. the pentagon says it is going to delay the delivery of four f-16 fighter jets to egypt. the white house also said that today's decision isn't going to affect the aid that america
sends to egypt. jessica yellin is at the white house. morsi's ouster was three weeks ago. this administration has been very quiet in terms of taking action. >> reporter: in part because they have been unhappy with the pace of transition to civilian rule and also because they don't like the treatment of the every night, we like to take opposition which they think is continuing and they are a look outside the day's top increasingly unhappy with what stories for the out front out they are seeing on the street. take. tonight the white house press they also decided now they just want to send a warning. briefi briefing. a daily event supported to this is a signal that things could get worse if they don't deliver, supported to, because see some improvement quickly. the press doesn't think they are they decided not to actually cut getting much information off aid and not to cancel the anymore. f-16 delivery all together but send a warning that that could come down the line. the basic message is that the char charlin said it's a charade. u.s. does have leverage and that the egyptians do not have a free i don't know about that. they deflect reporter's hand, that the u.s. is willing to do the ultimate if the questions like a hockey goalie.
carney deflected 10,000 picture doesn't improve with the military. questions since taking over in >> so no f-16s but still sending 2011. that's 4,000 question as year $1.5 billion of aid. and to give context that's twice as many as the nhl single season that sounds like trying to have your cake and eat it, too. save record. doesn't the white house have to jay carney is the best goalie of choose? all time. i hate to think the media's time >> no. they don't feel that they have is being wasted every day but a to choose. this is essentially a warning to the egyptians that the u.s. is small price to pay to see still invested in having deflections like this. >> can you describe a little bit leverage there by having aid. about the damage it's caused? they believe the aid brings stability but the u.s. is not willing to let the military do >> i think i would refer you to statements by the director of whatever it chooses without national intelligence. >> i would have to refer to the consequences. part of the egyptians foreign military assistance deal with department of health and human the u.s. they are required to services. send the lion's share of their >> i would refer you to the treasury department. >> i would refer you to justice. foreign aid package here with >> i would refer you to the u.s. defense contractors. justice department. >> i would refer you to the department of justice. if the u.s. decided and the >> i would refer you to the white house decided to cancel the contracts all together it department of justice. would have a boom rang effect if >> i would refer you to the department of justice and the not on the entire u.s. economy fbi. >> i would refer you to the fbi.
certainly with with u.s. defense >> i would refer you to the fbi. contractors who are counting on >> i would refer you to the fbi, the money and invested a lot of secret service and police. it. so members of congress and the >> i would refer you to the eu. white house have taken that into >> i would refer you to the account before they think about chinese. canceling major contracts that a [ laughter ] >> to the chinese, jay? thanks so much for watching. lot of u.s. jobs are relying on. we'll see you back here tomorrow. >> thank you very much, jessica "ac 360" starts now. yellin. still to come, ariel castro "ac 360" starts now. wolf blitzer is in for anderson was back in court, the man who -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com held three women captive allegedly for more than a decade may cut a deal. anthony wiener just spoke to those women may also have to reporters and late worden a terrible train wreck with testify. they are next. dozens, dozens of fatalities. plus the latest in the anthony weiner saga. the identity of the latest steve king taking heat for online. one hesitates to use the word if highly controversial remarks you read the lewd messages that he was sending her. claiming a lot of children of undocumented workers are drug and then the pope visits mules. keeping him honest i'll ask how brazil. why authorities raised security he justifies those words. to the highest possible level. also keeping them honest, the and the week after the height of luxury don't eat "rolling stone" controversial cover when dzhokhar tsarnaev was anything. the food storage conditions on put on the cover looking like a top of this top of the line
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castro at that time pleaded not guilty to a 977 count indictment for allegedly holding michele knight, amanda berry and gina de jesus captive for nearly a decade. out front a clinical psychologist and patty wood. i want to start with you. we have heard from these three women. we have heard their voices. we have seen them. they say they are making progress in their recovery. i want to play again from all of you a little bit of each of what they have had to say. >> first and foremost i want everyone to know how happy i am to be home with my family and my friends. it has been unbelievable. i am getting stronger each day and having my privacy has helped immensely. >> i want everyone to know i am doing just fine. >> it's always hard to watch when you see that michele knight
clip. castro could face the death penalty. if there is no plea that would men the women could be required to testify. >> they would be retraumatized over and over and over again. one of the things i do see and something we have talked about, they are showing some real strength. these women are committed to the very long road to recovery and i would think they are having to -- if they have to go to a trial on this, we hope that they don't, but if they have to that would play into some of that recovery. yes, more trauma but also making them stronger in facing the world and facing this monster. >> because they would have to see him. >> they would have to see him. >> he would be in the courtroom when they were testifying. >> they would have to relive this. we know they have ptsd. the thing is trying to avoid the
stimuli that sets off a lot of the depression and anxiety. now they will have to take it head on. what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. >> let me ask you. the women here that have suffered such unimaginable pain and suffering, i want to show you a side by side video of ariel castro from today and from last week. both of these times in court, last week it was a female judge. he didn't look up at all when she addressed him, refused to look up. on the time today the right-hand of the screen it was a male judge that addressed him and when the judge addressed ariel castro looked up. what do you make of that? >> it's quite interesting. of course, it was his first time in court when he had the female judge and she had to admonish him his head was bowed in shame both times. i do think there was definitely a relationship with the female judge and his shame that head
bow, the sloped a-framed shoulders all show shame, i'm embarrassed by this situation. >> let's look at castro's demeanor. head hung in shame. you compare it to the demeanor of the three young women in the video. tha iknew it was going to the public. i can only imagine what it took for them to be prepared. they looked at the camera and tried to smile. look at this. these are women who haven't seen anybody in ten years. and look at what direct contact they made and smiled. how do you contrast them with him? >> they were there. they were in the moment. they showed tremendous courage. it was extremely painful but they were dealing with that horror and processing it and verbalizing what it ist that they went through and where they are going ask with ariel castro,
what we are seeing i agree with other expert head hung in shame. he is pushing himself into a depersonization. he does not want to be there. trying to set a buffer between himself and the reality of the monstrous, murderous things he has done. >> people might say he is doing this because he is trying to pull an act. he is trying to somehow create sympathy or look like he is ashamed but is not. why do you think that is wrong? >> well, i actually see several complex cues. you saw eye clinching where he clinched the eyes closed. the judge said you need to look at me because he closed his eyes. you saw very interesting posture, what i call firing squad posture where he backed his head up and then closed his eyes as the first judge was speaking to him showing distinct
fear, that freeze. oddly, i train therapists and foster parents to look for particular signs of abuse in children. and strangely, he actually showed some of those very indicators that he had been abused. and perhaps because of that strong feeling, the response that he was giving to the female judge perhaps by a female. it is very interesting. >> thank you both very much. the family saved by george zimmerman scheduled to hold a press conference. it was cancelled. george zimmerman's lawyer explains why. will and kate's baby finally gets a name and what a name it is. and former george h.w. bush, a man who carries that name with with great pride and dignity shaves his head. we are going to tell you why. "i'm part of an american success story,"
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our third story out front britain's newest monarch has a name. went nameless for a little while. prince george alexander louis cambridge. you can't go with finnious or anderson or something cool liket that. noted the prince is destined to become part of a long line of british rulers with the same name including king george vi. royal expert lived in
consistenkinsington palace. george obviously a long history. it is an important royal name. >> it is and it has an insurgeance. it is cool again. george patron saint of england. it was always going to be a no brainer. >> it is amazing it is cool again. >> names that are classics cycle back through. >> he only has three names. only has three names. george alexander louis. apparently royalty has more. >> royal males have four. i think this is william's bit in terms of modernizing. it was surprising. this is his way of saying we are shaking things up and doing things our way. maybe they couldn't agree on a fourth name. william is putting his own stamp on everything. >> we don't know what he is going to go by as a little boy. >> i think he will be george
because it has had the resurgeance. it gets confusing. he is george. >> he was foin. >> there doesn't seem to be a nod to the middleton family. >> there is no intended disrespect. the future sovereign is the windsor name. there are reverences of family members. i think a second and third child will see lots of tributes. >> thank you very much. been great to talk to you this week. the latest from the carlos danger sex scandal. they could have named him prince danger. thank god they didn't. the irs takes a close look at your expense reports now a watch dog is taking a close look
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welcome back to the second half of outfront. i want to begin with the irs tonight telling outfront that quote cutting costs is a top priority. why are they telling us this? because there was an embarrassing report that found irs executives had extremely high travel expenses. inspector general report refeels five executives travelled more than 200 days in fiscal year
2012 and indicated that they may have been living in other cities and commuting in and out of washington. regular commuting on taxpayer's dime would be pretty nice. irs tells us new procedures have been put in place. he asked his fellow boston yns not to forget him or the others injured that day. in an interview addressed the controversial "rolling stone" cover depicketing that dzhokhar tsarnaev. sales are reportedly up 20%
since the issue hit or maybe i should say didn't hit news stands. ironic that all of the coverage actually seems to have caused sales to surge. a man hunt is on tonight for a possible serial killer in japan. hundreds of police are looking for a 63-year-old man in connection with the murder of five people in a tiny remote village with 16 people in it. he has killed a third of the people in the town if he did it. all five killed with injuries to the head. serial killers are rare in japan. we found that according to the serial killer database and there is a dat abase japan has only had 82 serial killers. in the united states of america we have had 2,088 serial killers. in san francisco a bicyclest has pleaded guilty to felony manslaughter.
prosecutors alleged he hit a pedestrian crossing the street. the 37 year old is going to serve probation and community time. he tells outfront there are concerns that cyclists are unfairly targeted by police. in new york is seems that can happen. more tickets given last year to cyclists than reckless drivers. it has been 718 days since the u.s. lost its top credit rating. five years after the recession president obama today said america is fighting its way back but there is more work to do. >> we're not there yet. we have more work to do. even though our businesses are creating new jobs that have broken record profits nearly all of the income gains of the past ten years have continued to flow to the top one percent.
>> the president went on to say the average ceo has gotten a raise of nearly 40% since 2009 while the average american earns less than he or she did in 1999. our fourth story. we have learned the identity of the woman that anthony weiner said he sent lewd images to after he resigned from congress for sending lewd messages to women. the messages i have read are beyond lewd, graphic and crude. an acquaintance of the woman identifies her as levins of indian aa. the person who told us about this woman is a blogger. told cnn he met her on a political facebook page that he moderated in 2010. she confided about the messages. the two discussed making money off the messages.
when leathers decided to go elsewhere he decided to go public. as for weiner he is staying in the race for new york city mayor despite calls for him to drop out from the "new york times" and the new york daily news. dana bash has been following the hopeful all day from early this morning and here in new york. we have just talked to reporters. what does he say? >> reporter: he is trying to emphasize as we have heard him do all day and for the past 24 hours he is not going anywhere. he is still in the race. of course, there still are lots of questions about what you just explained about the fact that he was still engaging in these rather graphic exchanges with somebody who he had never met in indiana a year ago. and what is maybe one of the more stunning things about that is about that time he and his wife gave their first big interview to people magazine
that month where his wife was talking about the fact that he was focusing on being a good father and a good husband. so i asked him about how he squares that with the fact that he was engaging in this at that very time. congressman, can you square that with the interview that you and your wife gave to "people" magazine right before that saying this is over? >> i think a lot of people see this as the resignation was the end of the challenges my wife and i, my family faced and it wasn't. it was part of something that needed to get resolved and frankly he hadn't been. it took some work to get to that place. so it wasn't a function of a certain moment in time came and went. this was a continuum. these things are behind me now. i can certainly understand you're asking these questions. i think it is a fair question and people have to answer that question for themselves.
>> that question, erin, that i asked is what do you say to people that say this is personal but what should make us believe you have the judgment to be mayor of new york city. he says fair question but he wouldn't answer. i tried to ask what his answer was. he has been doing a couple of public events, campaign events tonight and he had one where i am down in lower manhattan. he testified before a housing authority meeting. he certainly was rousing the crowd. it was kind of the congressman who i remember on the house floor who would get people riled up. he had people happy and clapping. at the very beginning when he took the microphone there were a handful of women who stood up in the audience and turned their backs in silent protest. >> that is interesting as she tried to ask him several times about the judgment question. yesterday it is when he ended his press conference and walked out. while we are talking about
anthony weiner a person that everyone is most obsessed with in this case when it comes to american politics is not anthony weiner. it is his wife. she made it clear yesterday in a way no campaign wife ever has. she said she is not going anywhere. >> anthony's made some horrible mistakes both before his etime n congress and after. i do very strongly believe that is between us and our marriage. >> why did she make that decision? so many people want to know. and we spoke to some of the people that knew her best. >> reporter: when she spoke of her devotion of her husband anthony weiner tuesday. >> i love him. i have forgiven him. i believe in him. >> reporter: the public may have been surprised but not those who know her. members of her social says she
was out there because she wanted to be. a good wife she is not. look no further than the september issue of harper's bizarre, a revealing essay written in her own words. she writes yes i am out on the campaign trail. it is where i want to be because the choice for me is simple. i love my husband and we both love this city. >> i was struck by how much i could feel her love for her husband and her clarity about why she believed in him. >> reporter: one friend from the clinton white house days who did not want to be identified says when the sexting scandal broke in 2011 she wanted him to keep his congressional seat, not resign. now it is she who is out there aggressively raising money this friend says from people who won't take anthony's calls. >> my wife is an enormous asset to the campaign. she is the not so secret weapon
of this campaign. >> reporter: she began her career as a clinton white house intern eventually becoming hillary clinton's traveling chief of staff. hillary was overheard saying i have one daughter but if i had a second daughter it would be huma. her marriage to anthony weiner almost didn't last. another close friend who spoke to her says huma found out about this latest transgression last fall months before the public and in the friend's words was furious and this close to walking out the door for a second time. now she writes the scandal has made her husband a better man. new yorkers will have to decide for themselves whether to give him a second chance. i had to make that same decision and i know in my heart i made the right one. because her friends agree she above all ambitious.
>> let's bring in our contributors. great to have all three of you with us. let me start with you, a quick reaction here. i don't want to put you on the spot as a woman but when you watch that what do you think? >> i surprisingly find myself sympathizing with the woman who has made the choice to stand by her husband. i don't think she is a victim. she made a choice when he was going to run that she was going to stand by him. she is not backing out. maybe she is doubling down because she knew -- these new sexting messages can't be worse than what he was doing years before and he was doing a lot of them years before. >> they happen after he apologized to his stituency and to his city and her. after he said that essay which is so eloquent and heart felt occurred before she found out he was continuing the behavior in their apartment after the birth.
that is a fundamentally different set of facts and that should really make people's stomachs chern. >> if you say this is your personal issue someone who does that i guess it raises the question. rush limbaugh weighed in on it on his radio show. i want to get your reaction. here is rush. >> her loyalty is to hillary clinton and her role model is hillary clinton. door mats. door mats with the promise of a payoff later down the road. >> what do you think? i wouldn't use the word door mats. that is the former mrs. tiger woods. tiger got caught texting some women and then revealed he was sleeping with half the waitress population in florida. she didn't stick around to be
humiliated not once but twice. she didn't go to the apology press conference to stand by her man and make a statement. she contacted a lawyer. she packed up the kids. she packed up herself. she got a divorce. she got half and went into seclusion without talking to the media. she is the exact opposite of mrs. weiner, a woman who believes hillary clinton -- >> she took an eight iron to his car. >> get your facts right. >> let me ask you guys a question. we all have something in common here and i think we all know what it is. margaret, you are pregnant. erin, you are pregnant. >> are you breaking biology ? >> my wife is not here but my wife is pregnant, as well. margaret, let's say john was caught doing this. he is forced to resign -- >> very uncomfortable with this
line of reasoning. >> you have to -- maybe this is something your wife can understand. there is something about trying to keep your family together. i can't say i would be forgiving. i'm sure your wife wouldn't be forgiving either. >> margaret, a second time after you are pregnant and doing it while you are pregnant i think it is a whole new level of perversion. would you do this if your husband did it twice? >> let's give margaret a chance. you said you would have done something. >> we just heard she found out about this many months ago. she still decided to help him run for office. she made a decision. who are we to second guess why she made her decision? >> you both agree that she is not a door mat. what -- obviously there is love involved.
you can't judge anybody else on that. what does she get out of this? the rush limbaugh comment she is a promise of a payoff. friends say she is very ambitious. she has gotten $150,000 in donations for him. right under $5,000 the maximum allowed. she is the one with the contacts. she doesn't need him. >> that is part of the tragedy here in why i think it could apply. she is a strong independent woman. she has been able to call in the favors to run a credible campaign. that is the secret of this. the fact that with this new information is standing by him really does her a disservice let alone the family and the city of new york. >> thanks to all three of you. we appreciate it. this gets a lot of conversations going as you can see here thanks to all of you. i want to update everyone on breaking news. in the spain train crash the number of dead has risen.
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we are back with tonight's outer circle where we reach out to sources around the world. tonight i want to go to brazil. the security level there for pope francis's visit raised to a higher level. authorities raised the level after followers mobbed his vehicle. >> reporter: pope francis is back on the move. today he visited the country's most important shrine dedicated to our lady of -- also known as black mary. he had a message of optimism.
he said christians cannot afford to be pessimists. he drove around in his open backed pope mobile with thousands of followers trying to but they can put more people on the ground to try and secure him, erin. >> can george zimmerman redeem himself? since he was acquitted of murder, he has laid low except for last wednesday when he helped rescue a family from an overturned car. but that turned into a big deal. the family was supported to speak this afternoon at a press conference, which happened to be, happened to be the office of zimmerman's attorneys but cancelled that public appearance. mark o'mara explained why. >> the frustration i had that the family who really wanted to thank george for doing what he did publicly in talking to other people, family members and friends realize that in any way connecting yourself with george
zimmerman is right now for toxic. >> will zimmerman remain toxic or can rea deem himself. >> stephanie, can he redeem himself? >> i don't know. so we're supposed to go it's okay you murdered an unarm teenager now? i'm sorry, erin, maybe i'm one to call b.s. on this story. so these people didn't show up? is he someone that calls 911 relentlessly. will he call for beer and cigarettes because he's lonely some day and they will go george, please stop calling 911? i don't even really understand the story. i think that he killed an unarmed teenager, and he violated the neighborhood watch, you know, it says it right there, you're not supported to get involved.