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with the papers. >> so you were already in court -- >> we spent seven hours with the mediator. and in that time the word "donor" was never raised. >> i'm brooke baldwin. see you back here tomorrow. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. if you listen to the speculation in the press, hillary clinton practically took paint samples and fabric swatches to the white house today. if hillary clinton is the front-runner on the left, then he might be the front-runner on the right. ted cruise joins us. the world lead. just judge ye lest not ye be
judged. >> and they became household names. hours before manning learns his fate, the verdict coming down tomorrow, julianneen assange jo us. >> today hillary clinton went to the white house for a power lunch with obama. everybody is guessing. among the prevailing theories is that it had something -- something to do with clinton's rumor to run for the white house in 2016. let's assume that clinton is the democratic nominee.
who would she presumably face? there's a major power struggle going on about the direction of the republican party, everything from foreign policy to the role of national security to defending obama care. and texas freshman senator ted cruz is right smack dab in the thick of all of it. he's only been in the senate for six months but he may have an early edge anyway. the tea party has been serving up more red meat than the salt lick. that's an amazing barbecue joint in his home state if you haven't had the weekend. over the weekend, senator cruz one one of the straw polls for the 2016 race. >> jake, by invoking the salt lick you're making me hungry and wish i was back in austin right now. >> we all wish we were in austin right now. the pope sat through 82 minutes of direct questioning, i'm hope we go can get through eight minutes of it with direct
answers. you're known for your candor. >> i promise you, there will be nowhere near the wisdom that came from the holy father. >> for from me as well. your father is a preacher. you said he used to tell that you god has destined you for greatness. i know you're going to tell me you're focused on your work in the senate. in the name of candor, tell me what are some of the things are going through your mind as you decide you're going to seek something else, something greater as your father might say. >> jake, i love my hero but i suspect i'm not the on person who has had an overeager parent. what i can tell you is what i'm trying to focus on right now is i think this country is facing enormous challenges, fiscal and economic and great many americans, texans are worried about the stagnant economic growth. for the last four years our kbhi has averaged 0.9% growth a year. people are hurting, they're not
getting jobs. the people who have been hurt the most by the obama economy have been the most vulnerable among us, young people, african-americans, spanish americans, single moms. my focus is to try to get back to the constitutional liberties -- >> your focus now is trying to defund obama care. you're pushing a strategy where there will be a showdown and it could come down to shutting down the government if the democrats and senate and president don't agree to defund obama care. first of all, how would that help all those vulnerable people that you talk about, many of whom are benefiting from obama care? >> i think the top priority of every elected official, republican or democrat, should be restoring economic growth and nothing is hurting economic growth more than obama care. look, there is bipartisan c consensus isn't working.
democrat matt baucus described it as a "huge train wreck." >> i think he was talking about how people weren't prepared for it and weren't ready and that's one of the reasons the employer mandate has been delayed. >> let's take, for example, even the unions are starting to turn on president obama. james hoffa, president of the teamsters, said obama care is destroying the 40-hour work week that has been the mean stay of the economy. as you noted, the president unilaterally, contrary to law, decided to give a waiver to large corporations. hard working american families deserve that same waiver. we should stand up and defund it. >> the strategy you're talking about, i want to read some of the reviews from your fellow republicans. "a suicidal political tactic." senator richard burr, conservative from north
carolina, "the dumbest idea i've ever heard identify ". senator tom coburn said "i'd be leading the charge if i thought this would work but it will not work. it's creating a false impression you can do something when you can't and it's dishonest." they're saying this won't work and that you're giving false hope to conservatives. your response. >> jake, there is frustration all over this country with career politicians in both parties. why? because they focus on maintaining power rather than standing for principle. we have a fight we can win. if obama care isn't working, this is our single best opportunity to defund it over the next -- >> the friend will veto it. >> if 218 republicans stand together in the house, we can win this fight. here's what i think should happen. i think the house should pass a continuing resolution that funds the entire federal government except obama care and that prohibits spending federal government money to implement
obama care because it isn't working. the next step, president obama and harry reed will scream and yell, those mean, nasty republicans are threatening to shut down the government. here's where republicans have to stand up and win the argument and say, look, we voted to keep the government open. why is president obama threatening to shut down the government in order to force obama care? he's granted a waver for giant corporations. why not give the same waiver to the american people. >> you know what else the house and senate voted for? obama care. they passed it. it's the law of the land. >> the great things about the constitution, there are checks in the overreaching. president obama, it's a heck of an admission that this law isn't working because if it were good, he'd want it to kick in before the next election and, number two, there's nothing in the law that allows him to do that. when you have an administration that's playing chicago-style politics, the most powerful
constitution -- all they need are 218 in the house. let me briefly mention one this evening before we move on. if it depends upon politicians in washington, it ain't going to happen. the only way this is going to happen is if an army of grass roots americans stand up. that's why this week a national web site was launched don'tfundit.com. if we see thousands of americans calling their representatives saying don't fund this train wreck that is killing jobs and hurting our health care, that's the only way to get the elected representative to listen to the people. >> i want to talk about a couple of other topics before i let you go. there's there other debate between the republicans about
national security. chris christie, the government of new jersey, had had to say. >> the dream of libertarianism that's going through both parties right now and making big headlines i think is a very dangerous thought. >> the strain of the libertarianism. i imagine he's talking not only about senator rand paul, but you. what's your thought on that? >> governor christie is entitled to his view. he mentioned the idea of protecting our privacy is esoteric. the protections of the civil liberties of americans aren't esoteric, they're the foundations of our country. one thing that's been so dismaying about the obama administration is we've seen a consistent onslaught of our constitutional rights, whether it's the first amendment and they're targeting reporters -- >> more so than bush? >> absolutely yes, sir. >> really?
>> the degree of hostility to constitutional rights demonstrated by this administration is unprecedented. you can go through literally one amendment at a time. first amendment targeting the press. i suspect you're not thrilled -- >> i'm not. but i think when you look at what the obama administration in relation to what the bush station has done, can you say there were a lot of similarit s similarities. i don't know what you were doing during the bush years but maybe you were raising the same protests then. >> i was the solicitor general of texas, the chief lawyer for the state in front of the u.s. supreme court. when president bush was president, he signed an order that purported to obey the world court and on behalf of the state of texas, i went before the u.s. supreme court and argued that the order from jorjts w. bush was unconstitutional, that he had no authority to give away u.s. sovereignty and we ended up
winning and striking down bush's order. >> i have many more questions. you're going to have to come back, senator ted cruz. we thank you for coming and sharing your views. >> coming up next, two major stories in our world lead. the enough pope makes some surprising comments about gays. what exactly did he say and how will american catholics be with it? and tomorrow, a verdict is expected against bradley manning. how does that sit with the man who originally leaked the data. we'll ask julien assange himself. or be an engineer, helping walmart conserve energy. even today, when our store does well, i earn quarterly bonuses. when people look at me, i hope they see someone working their way up. vo: opportunity, that's the real walmart.
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goodwill, who am i to judge them? >> now, this seems, seems to be a significant shift from his predecessor, pope benedict who signed a document in 2005 saying that gays should not be priests. italian media have reported a so-called gay lobby secretly pulled strings at the lobby. when asked about that, pope francis said gays specifically are not the problem, lobbies are. >> and we have bill donahue, president of the catholic league. father martin, i want to start with you. some are saying what the pope said today is more a change in tone than in actual substance. what do you think? >> it is a change in tone but it's also a change in substance. to go from saying in 2005 gay men cannot be admitted to
seminaries or religious orders saying who am i to judge, that's is a huge change. >> first of all, would i take issue with father martin and your introduction. the catholic church under benedict never said gays can't become priests. he said those individual who is have deep seeded homosexual tendencies should not find a home in the priesthood. whether you're straight or gay, you have to be able to put a lid on your libido, to have a vow of chastity. to that extent i don't think there's anything remarkable about what he said. there's a change in style but there's no substantive change here. gays have been joining the
priesthood and they should continue to as long as they can follow their vow of celibacy. >> a lot of archbishop ones have said that if you are gay, if you have a homosexual orientation, can you not be admitted to the seminary pip know it has kept a lot of money who are kay who wanted to live celibately out of the seminary. >> the pope said today that gays will not be ordained. father martin? >> he said he wanted to see a deeper theology of women in the church and also having women
having a deeper leadership role. >> bill, what do you make of pope francis so far compared to his predecessor? do you think he's turning the catholic church in a dramatic new direction or is it just style? >> no, i think there's somewhat of a new direction. his predecessors, john paul ii and benedict were both intellectuals. pope francis is a very bright man, i and i love him as much as father martin does but he's not an intellectual. he has an ability to put his arms around people, he's genuine, authentic, he's simple and i mean that in the best sense of the word. i'm not opposed to any substantive change that the catholic church wants to make on its own volition. i do have a problem who are not catholic foisting their agenda on to the catholic church. >> we appreciate you taking your
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welcome back to "the lead." in world news, before there was edward snowden, there was bradley manning. tomorrow the former u.s. army intelligence officer who showed the world military secrets will learn his fate when it's handed down in a verdict from a military judge. he has spent the last three years in detention, including months in solitary confinement for leaking three quarters of a million documents to quik leaks. he could spend the rest of his life behind bars under the charge of aiding the enemy. so what does the man who leaked all of this to the world think of this? julian assange joins me. we're less than 24 hours of
finding out manning's fate. you're not in jail, which is where manning may find himself living out the rest of his life. do you feel any responsibility, any sense of guilt? what are your feelings on the eve of this verdict? >> well, look, as the publisher involved in this case, there's no doubt that our publishing activities are connected in some way to bradley manning's fate. that's why the embarrassment that the u.s. government is working against. first let's contextualize. we heard lots of spin in 2011 and 2012 like peter king placing bills for our staff to be declared enemy combatants before the congress. at that time there were accusations that the material we had published might in some sense lead to people coming to
harm. those have been false. there's been no accusation in this entire case that any person has come to harm as a result of any of our publications, which are alleged to be deviefd from bradley martin. in fact, it's quite the converse. international reports, tunisia's overthrow by the people was directly triggered by the publication and a wide range of investigation of prosecutions of people for torture, resignations of different figures various people in the world as a result of corruption fueled by this information. >> do you think the list of accomplishments the arab stripr and other things you talked about, do you think that is ultimately worth potentially the rest of this young man's life? >> well, it's not my place to weigh that out. obviously that's something that bradley manning has to weigh up.
but the alleged statements that he made, yeah, he was willing to take that risk because he believes apparently that the result is so important. and we call those types of people that are willing to risk -- not be a martyr but to risk being a martyr for all the rest of us, we call those people heros. bradley manning is a hero. >> let's talk about another person that i know you think is a hero, which is nsa leaker edward snowden. yesterday the senate intelligence committee chairwoman dianne feinstein suggested on cnn that he may be leaking secrets to china and russia. let's take a listen. >> he went to two big cyber intruding powers, china and russia and left china and went to russia. you've got to ask why did he choose those two? you've got to also ask do the chinese have all this material? do the russians have it?
>> julian, what's your response to that. why did he go to china and russia and do the chinese and russians have any of this material? >> well, look, this person i'm not sure who it was but some congressman like peter t. king, they're playing a particular sector. they farm it out to make it look like they're doing good work for the people who give them donations. can you see that, the vote is to not investigate, not to put control on the interception of american's e-mails. mr. snowden did not try to go to russia. mr. snowden tried to go to south america. and the state department in the most idiotic diplomatic act of the age cancelled his passport en route. so he was left stranded in russia. we have exercised as much ability as we can to protect mr.
snowden from any state, the united states, russia and china from exploiting him. butt u.s. state department has worked counter to that purpose, marooning him effectively in russia. >> julian, i want to bring in barry right now. barry, how certain are you that the united states would try to extra died assange if he was forced to return to sweden, where there are some questions about his behavior in the past? >> i'm certain that julian is at tremendous legal risk here in the united states. ecuador found that. that's why they gave him asylum. he's invited investigators to at that uk to him in london. he's only willing to do it -- >> do you think if he left the embassy, he would be immediately snatched and whisked off to the u.s.? >> he had already pled guilty to
leaking classified information. that wasn't good enough for the u.s. government. they want to treat him as a traitor, they want to say he's the enemy because he gave somebody truthful information to publish and anybody can read that information. if you're at risk of life imprisonment for leaking the information, think what the government thinks of you for publishing the information. >> julian, what do you think the judge is going to decide tomorrow? >> there's a really serious decision here, which is the aiding the enemy charge. it's a military based charge but it applies to all of us. the precedent will be set where if you give information to a publ blushe publisher, to a journalist, then the enemy can be aided. it's the most serious attack the
administration is pursuing in its war against investigative journalism. it will be the end essentially of national security and journalism in the united states. >> thanks so much. we hope to have you back soon. >> coming up, an unprecedented bust by the fbi. they just freed more than 100 teen-agers from sex slavery. that's coming right up. but they live so far away. i've been thinking about moving in with my daughter and her family. it's been pretty tough since jack passed away. it's a good thing you had life insurance through the colonial penn program. you're right. it was affordable, and we were guaranteed acceptance. guaranteed acceptance? it means you can't be turned down because of your health. you don't have to take a physical or answer any health questions. they don't care about your aches and pains. well, how do you know? did you speak to alex trebek? because i have a policy myself.
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but the terrifying reality that human trafficking is real in the u.s., that it is a widespread problem here. a raid in 70 cities led to the arrest of 70 pimps and rescues of more than 100 teen-agers. some as young as 13 years old. agent hoscow, how was your agency able to track these people down? >> through collaboration with state, local and federal law enforcement, through our collaborative efforts for the national centers of missing and exploited children. >> how do you find them? are they online? street corners? >> frequently online, social media sites, on street corners, in the casinos, outside of the casinos, in areas we refer to as tracks. we collaborate with our law enforcement partners and identify some of these targeted areas. we focus on them and move closer. >> when most of us think about the super bowl and final four,
we see it in the sports complex. you say there's a correlation between these high profile sports events and a spike in sexual exploitation? >> that's right. there is money flowing in and around these events and we use that to focus our intelligence and identify some of these young victims. >> i want to bring in asia graves, she's a survivor and helps work with the young victims. do you think the arrests will doing in to slow down the human trafficking in this country if. >> no. it's making a dent but you have to go to the johns. you mentioned the super bowl. more girls are going to be sold at the super bowl than probably tickets probably. which is amazing because you think about each girl that's sold -- >> that's horrifying. the fbi used the web site back page to target many of these suspects. how big a role do you think that
web site plays in these sex crimes? >> well, it's a $27 million industry that back page is making per year. i was sold myself on back page myself as a minor. can you pay $5 per ad. if you think about how much they're making just on the adult section alone, $27 million, that's a lot of money. >> it's horrifying. >> just for the adult section alone. >> she raises an interesting point, which is where are the johns in all this? it's the demand. is there enough attention given by law enforcement to the people who their vile and disgusting needs are the ones being fed here? >> this is a continuum of activity here. there is adult prostitution going on, as well as that involving juveniles or young victims. and so the fbi's traditional role hasn't been in adult prostitution. however, we see folks commonly where they appear to be adults and they turn out to be a -- or
adults prostituted as a juvenile. we're trying to work closely with local law enforcement and have the greatest impact that we can. >> do you think this problem is going worse with the advent of plays like back page and the internet or is it making it easier for these pimps to be caught? >> it's a double-edge sword. on one hand, we use one hand to look up and find girls that we can use to rescue. it's an industry that's going to keep making money because men are able to sit in front their computer and buy sex. and women. there are services for all the youth that are found. >> we'll make sure to put links when we post this on line.
thank you for your advocacy and your hard work. we appreciate it. >> coming up next, he's already put his wife through the ringer and now sext machine anthony weiner is infuriating the clintons. and speaking of the clintons, we'll tell you who is playing hillary in a new mini series about the most talked about woman in politics. stay with us. the postal service is critical to our economy. delivering mail, medicine and packages, yet they're closing thousands of offices, slashing service and want to layoff over 100,000 workers. the postal service is recording financial losses,
weiner. a source close to the clintons say they're upset because they care about his wife, huma abedin, a long time aide to the former secretary of state. let's bring in our panel. paul, the clintons reportedly say that this is not political, they're just worried about their friend. but there is something political afoot here. you don't think this could leave a taint with hillary clinton at all? >> i don't. i think it's preposterous. i'm sorry to be rude. the notion that three years from now might say may like hillary clinton on jobs and education but i'm going to base my vote on her aide sending personal pictures. this is personal, not business. >> michael? >> i think huma did herself some damage when she took the mic at that press conference last week
or whenever that was in terms of having a public role with hillary clinton. i agree with paul that three years is a really long time in politics. hopefully for the good of america, we've all forgotten about anthony weiner by then. >> i disagree with both of them. it doesn't matter because people will say i won't vote for hillary clinton because anthony weiner is a creepy guy. and it's a reminder that we're going to -- this is not going to be the last time the impeachment, the monica lewinsky affair comes up in a presidential campaign with hillary clinton. we're going to have to deal with it. >> there is a brand new poll from quinnipiac about the new york city race that has weiner in fourth place. fourth place. can you see cristine quinn 27. weiner is certainly sinking in the polls and i think it's
conventional wisdom and may fact that his mayoral chances are over. do you think? >> i think that's right. i think he doesn't make it into the runoff. the question is which two of the other three main candidates make it into the runoff. i think bill thompson is someone to watch. he's a narrow third in this new quinnipiac poll. he came close against michael bloomberg in the last mayoral election when nobody gave him a shot. he's somebody to watch. >> it seems wean corps have handled this in a way. it want a forgone conclusion that it wasn't going to work. but it did seem like the voters in new york were at least ready to give him a second chance and then he blew it. if he had called you into his office three months ago and said, paul, i want to come back, what would you have told him that he didn't do? >> not run. >> not run at all? >> because of this episode or third or whatever.
>> you don't think he could have gotten that out in the "new york times" piece? >> maybe think that having then said this is behind me, having given interview to the "new york times" and "people" magazine, seeming to tell his potential wasn't, he's going to lose because of that. people are forgiving. they'll give a second chance. but third, fourth, fifth chances, i think it was an unwise decision of him getting in the race. >> and we've seen a pac dredging up ads from hillary clinton. let's see that. >> i, hillary clinton, do solemnly swear that i will faithly execute the office of president of the united states. >> there's certainly no shortage of things to bring up from the clinton years. you don't think that this weiner
scandal and hume a will feed into this at all. again, three years, long time, who knows what else could come from this weiner scandal. if somehow huma is more involved than just stand big her husband, if she knowingly hid parts of this and that somehow reflects on her relationship with hillary clinton maybe. it's just too hard to say. i just don't see how voters across the country in places like iowa, new hampshire will make this connection to the race. >> chris christie took a swing at rand paul. and yesterday rand paul swung back. >> the people who want to criticize me and call names, they're precisely the same people who are unwilling to cut the spending and they're gimme, gimme, gimme all my sandy money now. those are the people who are
bankrupting the government and not letting enough money be left over for national defense. >> just to repeat what he said, the people who want to criticize me and call me names are the same people who wanted to cut the spending, gimme, gimme, gimme money for hurricane sandy. those attacks are directly aimed at chris christie. >> this is not my party but this is going to be a defining debate in the republican party. do they want to go this very, very libertarian view and get rid of social security and everything else or do they want a slightly more moderate take? >> michael? >> it's interesting that rand paul brought that up because i don't think chris christie mentioned sandy at all. >> he talked about 9/11. >> he talked about 9/11 but not
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welcome back to "the lead." now it's time for the pop culture lead. there's been plenty of speculation and unconfirmed rumors but now final, finally we have the answer to that hillary clinton question that's been gnawing away at all of us. that's right, the rumors are true, clinton is definitely going to be portrayed in an upcoming mini series by oscar-nominated actress diane lane. wait, did you think i was talking about something else? my bad. the air date has yet to be released. we do know depending on how clinton is to be portrayed, it could turn out to be a four-part commercial for her 2016 presidential campaign. clinton, a name in the national spotlight since as long as any 25-year-old can remember. his campaign, his campaign, his scandal, her campaign, her cabinet appointment and, well, you get the idea. and now as the glare of 2016 lays in wait for hillary
clinton's possible presidential journey, hollywood is seeking to capitalize on it all. nbc announced over the weekend it will produce a four-hour mini series based on the former first lady and the role of rodham will go to diane lane. perhaps more relevant, she played a secret service agent looking into a murder at the white house in the 1997 wesley snipes thriller "murder at 1600." >> the president and the first lady, they were in the white house. >> this latest project will return lane to the white house with a different scandal at foot, the one against president clinton and monica lewinsky. >> she's a compelling figure, she's polarizing sometimes and she has been in the public eye for years making controversial decisions. >> lane is far from the first to
portray hrc. emma thompson played in a ficti fictionalized story about the clintons. >> amy poehler played her in 2008. >> do i really laugh like that? >> and sigourney weaver stepped into her pant suit in "political animals." weaver's character was divorced and of course the real clintons reman to the. and at least one of them has given thought to who could best portray them in the movies. >> if i were to make a movie about your life, who would you want to play you, mr. president? >> gosh, i don't know. i don't know. i would trust your judgment more than mine on that. >> brad pitt, george clooney.
>> too good looking, but you could put bulbous things on his nose, do make-up on him. >> who would you have play hillary in this movie? >> meryl streep. >> it's very challenging to have someone play this large of a personality. >> there are any number of potential problems. conservatives are suspicious that this nbc mini series will be a puff piece, one that serves as an infomercial for the clinton candidacy. nbc says will be even handed in terms of criticism and praise when it comes to dealing with clinton and her work. and we should also note that cnn films is planning a documentary project and hillary clinton by director charles ferguson. since it's a documentary, the role of hillary clinton will be played by hillary clinton. maybe sure to follow me on
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