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room." thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in washington. jake tapper is on the scene. he picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, wolf. h hello to our viewers in the united states and around the world. krm jake tapper. i'm standing right outside the washington naval yard where this morning there was a shooting. this is what we know so far. shortly before 8:15 in the morning, the metropolitan police department here in washington, d.c. was called and notified there had been a shooting in building 197. that is the headquarters of the navy sea systems command. the washington naval yard employs about 3,000 people. most of them civilians. the police reported to the scene as well as the u.s. marshals, the u.s. park police, ultimately, the fbi. this is what we know in terms of the fatalities and those involved in the shooting. we know that there is definitively one shooter who was killed on the scene. the police chief, cathy linear, also said they're looking into the possibility of two other shooters.
one, a white man with a handgun, the other an african-american man, about 50 years old with a long gun. both dressed in military-style clothing, although it's unclear whether or not they actually are in the military. we know there are multiple deaths. we don't have the exact number confirmed as of now. here is the scene as it was described by a naval commander who was there as the shooting happened. >> was this man in the process of evacuating as well? >> he worked in the maintenance building behind me. he simply walked up to say hey, there's a shooter in the building. do you know what's going on? i don't know what's going on. fire alarm went off. we're trying to document everybody. that's when he got shot. i'm still worried about the rest of my people in the building who are trying to be evacuated. we have a plan to shelter in place when we have shooters who come to the building, so they're slowly clearing that building and getting all our people out.
between blackberry texts and everything else, i'm trying to track that all our people are out. >> do you know what happened to the man who was shot? >> fairly sure he was dead because he was shot in the head. >> did you see that for yourself? >> correct. >> that must have bib traumatic. not showing that now, but -- >> i don't feel lucky that he got hit instead of me, but i feel lucky to be here. [ inaudible ] >> i can't remember right now. >> so were you -- you were in 197? >> to start with, correct. >> okay. and you heard the shots, but you didn't see the shooter? >> correct. >> kind of walk me through beginning to end. >> we heard what sounded like shots, but far away or muffled. as a matter of fact, it sounded like a cap gun going off, a really small caliber, if anything. and then a minute or two after that, somebody was running through the hallways saying,
hey, everybody get out of the building. and then about a couple minutes after that, the fire alarm in the building went off to evacuate everybody. i thought it was a fire drill, i wanted to get everybody out of the building, so we walked out of the building. part of my job is to make sure people get down the fire escapes. >> sorry about that. >> part of my job is once everybody gets down the fire exits, they get away from the building. that's what i was doing, waiting for everybody to clear out of the building when the other shots rang out. >> at what point does this man when come up to you? >> i had been standing there 5 to ten minutes and he walked up and told me he heard that there was a shooter in our building. we were just standing here, maybe three feet away and we heard two more gunshots and he
went down. that's when i ran. >> while you were speaking to him. >> while i was talking to him. >> you said he knew him? >> never met him before in my life. he came out of the maintenance building. he said, hey, i work in the maintenance building. i was coming over to see what was going on. >> as you're talking to this man, shots are fired from behind him, and he falls to the ground. >> probably in front. we were facing our building, 197. obviously, from the building, from the bottom floor. i thought they came from the fire door at the bottom floor, but they could have come from the roof at that time. >> what is yogoing through your mind that the man you're speaking to goes down? >> i understand gunshots at that point. before, in the building, they were muffled. you didn't know what it was. in the alleyway, you know the sound it is, not to mention he's on the ground in front of you bleeding. so i turned, ran to the back side of the building. i wanted to get something between me and where the shooter was, make sure he couldn't shoot me as well. ieneded up running around the
maintenance building, jumping a stwe 20-foot fence and ended up here. >> don't know about that. i mean, i have a c.a.t. card. we have badges to key the door when we get in. that allows us automatic access to the building. if you're a contractor, coming to visit the building, you can go through security and check in through security. >> do you feel like it's a secure building for the most part? >> not today. it will be interesting to see as this develops, who the shooter is, how he got in, those type of questions answers. i think right now, i think a lot of people are wondering how safe the building is or how safe the office environment is. we don't knee who the shooter or shooters are. if they're related to our job and our building, if they were part of our coworkers. we have no idea. >> between 8:00 and 8:30, we had a shooting at the navy yard. at the time, as we last reported to you, we did not have a
definite number, and we're still working on a definite number of fatalities, but at this hour, it appears that we have at least 12 fatalities. and we're continuing to try to ascertain how serious this situation is. and it doesn't get much more serious than that, obviously. we have one of the officers for the metropolitan police department is injured. he appears to be -- he's going to be fine as far as we know. we have no known motive at this stage. there were people who asked earlier if this was a terrorist event. we don't have any reason to think that at this stage but we're continuing that investigation to try to determine what the motive is. we also don't know for certain whether there are other shooters. it has been reported other people in the building at the time, we're continuing to engage in that investigation. and we'll have better information on that later in the
afternoon. we will be back here at 4:00. we'll be back for another press briefing at 4:00. but now, let me ask chief linear. she'll come up and provide more details on some of these issues. >> just want to first start off by saying, as far as the initial response here this morning, you've heard we have at least one officer with gunshot wounds that is currently being treated, but the response by uniformed police officers from both the metropolitan police department and united states park police was absolutely nothing short of heroic. with at least 12 confirmed dead at this point, i think the actions by the police officers without question helped to reduce the number of lives lost. so our hearts go out to the families of certainly all the victims here, but our gratitude to the front line officers of the metropolitan police
department and also the united states park police who ran into danger this morning to try to reduce the number of victims. i'll start from the top and go through quickly, right now, we're confirming at least 12 fatalities. we had a few additional folks who were injured. they were not fatally injured. we have additional officers who were injured, only one injured by gunfire at this point. other injuries sustained by multiple different police agencies on the large response inside. we are officially now transitioning to an fbi lead, so the fbi will lead the investigation. the entire investigation will be processed and handled as a unified process. but with that said, any additional information that anybody might have that they want to share for the investigation, you can call 1-800-call-fbi. 1-800-call-fbi. i have a slight update on the
lookout for potentially two additional individuals involved in the should thing. the first is for a white male between 40 and 50 years of age. wear wearing -- wearing a tan -- i'm sorry, white male wearing a tan, what appears to be military uniform consistent with naval uniform, and a beret style hat. a lookout for a black male between the ages of 40 and 50 and an olive military-style uniform. he's approximately 5'10", 180 pounds. medium complexion with gray sideburns. graying sideburns. we have no indication of any motive at this time. we are updating and asking for family members. we know a lot of folks have cell phones and can contact family members but if you're looking for contact with any of your family maybes who may have been inside the yard today, ncis has
established a phone number for reunification. 202-433-6151. a secondary number, 202-433-9713. right now, we have an impasse to the area. a large part of the area is still on lockdown. we're still asking residents to stay out of the area and remain in your home. we feel like the area is safe, but we have an active search for potentially additional suspects. stay in your homes and stay out of the area. again, there are multiple agencies here. we've gotten support from a lot of our counterparts in the region, maryland as virginia as well as the federal agencies here in washington, d.c. there are very, very few questions we can answer at this point. still a lot of information coming. we'll do another update in two hours. i think at this point, we would take a limited number of questions. we would ask please for your patience and then we'll go from there. right here.
>> we have asked people to stay out of the area around the navy yard. we have sent out text alerts to the residents around the area and asked them to stay out of the area until we send out an additional follow-up. >> why do you believe there were two additional potential shooters? did they engage the officers? or were they sceeen? how did this happen? >> why did we believe there were two additional suspects? >> right now, we have multiple pieces of information that would suggest we have at least two other individuals that were seen with firearms. we know both of those individuals were wearing military-style uniforms. that we do not know if they're actually military employees, but these are people that we really believe are involved in some way and we're trying to locate those individuals. >> what can you tell us about the shooter who is dead? >> i can't tell you anything at this point. i can't comment on anything related to evidence on the scene right now. i'll take two more questions. >> possible suspects, does that
come from eye witness or video footage? >> i'm not going to comment. we have reason to believe they're involved. >> were there victims in more than one building or in different buildings as well. >> we're still doing an extensive search. this is a large base. we have multiple agencies and multiple teams. the remainder of the search could take another couple hours. we're not going to comment on the location of evidence or anything like this. i would say in the next two hours, when we do our next update, that will be at 200 i street, so we're not here in the middle of the street. we want to clear out of this area. next briefing will be in two hours, 200 i street, and we'll try to answer more questions if we can. thank you very much. >> includes the shooter.
>> that's metropolitan police detective -- metropolitan police department chief cathy lanier, and mayor vincent gray of washington, d.c., briefing reporters about the shooting, the information they have is staggering. 12 individuals. we believe including the sho shooter, dead. 12 individuals dead. in addition, of course, there are many others who were wounded who were taken to area hospitals. chief lanier underlining the point they're still looking for two other potential suspects in the shooting. one, a white man wearing khaki navy style uniform. perhaps a nachky uniform. somewhere between the ages of 40 and 50. wearing a beret. also said previously, the chief, that he was holding a handgun. then of course, a third individual, an african-american also wearing a navy style uniform, also between the ages
of 40 and 50. he's about 5'10", 180 pounds, with graying sideburns and medium complexion. those are the two individuals now being sought in connection with the shooting. two other potential shooters. she wouldn't get into details at all about how they had this information, whether it was from eyewitness accounts or whether it was from video cameras that may have been at the scene. she gave the information that the fbi is now spearheading this investigation. it's no longer just the metropolitan police department here in washington, d.c. it is the fbi and she said if anybody has any tips they should call the fbi. i believe the number was 1-800-call-fbi. in addition, the ncis division of the navy is in charge of reuniting individuals with family members. and those two numbers she gave for individuals who are seeking family members are 202-433-6151.
202-433-6151. or a backup, 202-433-9713. i want to bring in brian todd. just a staggering course of events here to have. i have never had a police chief give so much information about individuals who are still wanted, and we're standing here, we should say, in the middle of an active crime scene. >> that's right, and it's just beyond this perimeter. she gave a lot of information about one of the suspects, the description, 5'10", 180 pounds, approximately. black male between 40 and gift years of age, wearing olive clothing. medium complexion with gray sideburns. a very detailed description of the one. the other, they clearly don't have as much detail or they're not giving it. >> white individual, 40 or 50. >> 40 to 50 years old wearing a tan military-style uniform, a beret, perhaps a navy style uniform. and what's also -- what you have to take from this is we're going on more than six hours after the first calls came in. they still haven't secured these two individuals, if in fact
they're still out there. so you've got six hours since the shooting was first reported and they're still sweeping buildings in there. so she said the area is safe. they're telling residents to stay out, but the area is safe. that obviously is contradictly. this area is far from safe, i would imagine. >> what is so interesting also, and i want to bring in our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. not only were these individuals able to get access to the navy yard, which is a secure facility. but also presumably, they were able to get off the base. assuming that these two shooters are legitimate, not only were they able to get there with their guns and wreak this havoc, but escape. what are they telling you at the pentagon? >> well, jake, i think we have a long ways to go on all of this. these are initial reports, even chief lanier saying these are reports that they have of two additional gunmen. i think we have to really face the notion of the real bottom line here. if this pans out, if this proves
to be true there were a total of three gunmen, the u.s. military is facing a considerable problem beyond this terrible initial tragedy. you're talking about a conspiracy of people to attack the united states military inside this country, inside of washington, d.c. three people plotting, planning, talking about how they would carry this out. so the question is where do we stand? the chief is saying they have reports. they're looking for people by this description. what we do know is in the very initial hours this morning, there were eye witnesses inside the building. people making phone calls to the pentagon, making phone calls outside the building, talking about what they saw happening. so i mean, i don't think we doubt that people saw what they thought they saw. what it means, were these additional gunmen? is there any remote possibility these might have been initial law enforcement responding? we will have to see. it is going to take a long time to sweep this compound.
it's a large facility. multiple buildings. 3,000 people. they're going to be very cautious, going step by step and make sure they look at every scrap of this. i don't know that we know exactly, were there two additional gunmen? did they escape? are they still there? did they exist? what the real situation is here. jake, you know better than anybody, in these kinds of crises, the initial reports are often very sketchy, very fluid. a lot remains to be seen. >> lot of information. and not all of it correct, of course. and that's a good caution for us, barbara. of course, even though the chief of police here in washington, d.c. has twice now mentioned two other potential suspects being wanted, you're absolutely right. information is still fluid. we do not know if these were perhaps individuals who were misidentified by eye witnesses. that said, it is also quite a thing, and brian todd, you'll agree with me, having covered a few of these, for a police chief to twice describe individuals
they're seeking. it implies they don't have a lot of information and they need help from the public. >> that's right. >> and that they are taking it fairly seriously. >> when she was pressed on this, the chief lanier said, how do you know there are two potential suspects? she said, there have been multiple sources i guess within the perimeter who have witness accounts and others who have reported this to them. again, as you mentioned, witness -- >> i'm going to cut you off. we have the delegate for washington, d.c., eleanor holmes norton who i believe is going to speak. this is the elected represent in the congress for washington, d.c. >> we've not had a day like this since 9/11 for good reasons. i want to thank all of those who are assisting the metropolitan police department.
our hearts, our prayers are with those who have died, with those who are injured. tomorrow, at 7:00 p.m., when congress returns, i will be on the floor for the moment of silence. meanwhile, i'm really asking everyone to withhold judgment about what happened here. i am very familiar with this facility. it began the revival of m street, when we were able to get the sea systems command to come here. it is a very secure facility. and the navy has managed to keep it secure while it has been open to the public. in the evenings, there is an
event center that the navy built, where events are regularly held that are sponsored by district and regional organizations. we cannot know what happened here yet. but i hope that we will reserve judgment until a thorough investigation is done. thank you very much. >> do you know who the victims are? >> no. all i know is the number. and that number could rise. >> do you have any idea how they got into the building? >> i don't believe anyone could have gotten into this building who did not have the proper identification. they were within a secure building, within a secure facility. so that's why i'm saying we must withhold judgment. you cannot get in. i had to show my badge to get in this facility. and yet, this is a facility that is not among those that are considered too closed down to the public, and i hope it won't
be. >> you compared this to 9/11. why does it compare to 9/11? what does that mean to you? >> only in the number of victims. it doesn't compare. appare apparently, there is no indication this was a terrorist event. but i hope we all understand that with all these guns loose in society, it doesn't take a terrorist to do what was done here today. to spoil the reputation of this rising neighborhood that is now surrounded by newly built homes and facilities. and i think will continue to thrive. i hope the system doesn't take from what has been one of the most secure facilities in washington and yet one that was not closed down to the public. >> what you make of these attacks on federal institutions with the big ricin letters and things like that? do you take anything away from that? >> i don't take anything away from it because this could have been an event that had nothing to do with the federal government. increasingly, i think that's probably the case.
i, too, am withholding judgment about what happened here. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> can you say your name, ma'am? >> congresswoman eleanor holmes norton. >> that was congresswoman eleanor holmes norton. the delegate from the washington, d.c. area, talking about the shooting here, how there hasn't been a day like this in washington, d.c. since 9/11. she said. i want to bring in, in our washington d.c. bureau, matt maasdam, a navy s.e.a.l. who worked at the naval yard. matt, one of the interesting things the congresswoman said when she was asking the public to withhold judgment on what happened today, was that what happened today took place in a secure building in a secure facility. she was suggesting that whoever got access and whoever
presumably perpetrated this act, had to have had a way to get in because it's not an open facility. you work there. tell us about the security at the naval yard. >> that's right. the security at the navy yards is the same as it is at most military installations. if you work there, and you have the identification to get in, there are no magnetometers. people don't search your car when you come on the base. so if you have the proper identification, you can get in just like any other installation that we have in the country for the most part. >> okay. so it is secure, but building 197, which is of course where the navy sea systems command took place, that had extra security, is my understanding, yes? >> i can't speak to the extra security. i know all of the buildings are monitored, and there's roving police and things of that nature. so if somebody wants to get in, the sad part is they can get in if they're really in -- if their
intent is bad. >> it's not that intense. nowhere near as difficult to get into the navy yard as it would be, for instance, to get into the pentagon? >> correct, that's right. it's not nearly as intense as the pentagon. >> all right, matt, stay with us. i want to get back to you in a second. right now, i want to bring in rene marsh at the phone. she's at the staging area where individuals are being reunited with their family members. 3,000 individuals work at the washington, d.c. navy yard. and as you might imagine, it is a horrific day for them in particular and for their family members who don't necessarily know how their loved ones are doing. renee, tell us what you're seeing. >> jake, what i can tell you is that at this particular location, the navy stadium, the national stadium, this is a staging area for family members, as they're waiting for their loved ones. i bumped into one woman who
drove up to the staging area and she was literally in tears. she just wanted to see her husband. she said that she knew he was okay, but she just wanted to see him. she's walking out now. ma'am, have you been able to find your husband? >> no. they're debriefing people right now. >> he's being interviewed by detectives? that's here. you have families, they're waiting. at this point, they want to talk to people who were on the campus at the time of the shooting. they want to collect their information. so that's the process that's happening. lots of questioning. and my understanding is once the questioning is complete, then all of those people will go to the location where i am, at national stadium, to meet with their family members.
we have not seen them yet, but we may see them shortly. judging from that woman's reaction when she pulled up there -- >> rene marsh at a staging area where family members are able to reunite with individuals who work at the naval yard. 3,000 individuals, mostly civilian, work at the d.c. naval yard, which has been here in washington, d.c. for literally hundreds of years. it was burned down by the commander itself in the war of 1812 so the british wouldn't be able to burn it down. i want to go now to dana bash live outside capitol hill where security has stepped up, not surprisingly. >> that's right. it's not a formal situation where the capitol police are on formal high alert, but it's very clear, i'm not sure if you can see them now because a car is right in front, but there are definitely more police officers out here than are usually out
here. they have what they call their long guns, their big guns, out and they're patrolling in a more aggressive way than we usually see. but the other big change is that the senate, which had come in at 2:00, about half an hour ago, went into recess, jake, and they went into recess specifically because of what happened at the navy yard. they were supposed to be in session all day today, but the senate majority leader harry reid came in, made some remarks about the tragedy there and said there's no need to us to be in, so they decided to go into recess. we definitely noticed the presence here has been stepped up, as i said, up until just a few minutes ago, fthere was a special vehicle, a sert vehicle, the s.w.a.t. team they bring in when they're in higher alert. a big black truck right here in the plaza kind of monitoring the situation. and i have to tell you that the sense is the feel here is sort .
you heard eleanor holmes nortden who works on the other side of the capitol talk about 9/11. i don't mean to make an equation about that as well when you're talking about the tragedy there, but just the uncertainty and the feeling that people here, and i can just speak for myself, have, hearing there are potentially two suspects at large and seeing the intense police presence here, you definitely get that sunken feeling, that sinking feeling that you had -- i know i was here on 9/11, you know, 12, 13 years ago, 12 years ago, rather, and it's that kind of memory that comes back. >> dana, as you recall from 9/11, and i was there, too, also, members of congress evacuated. members of the leadership were whisked away to safe places. it's nothing like that today. >> exactly. exactly. it's on a high alert. in terms of increased police presence. but we have been asking, are we going to go into lockdown? are they going to say that
everybody should stay in the building and everybody should -- who is not in, should not come in? and the answer so far has been no, no need so far, but i know for sure that the sergeant in arms in the senate has been actively been in discussions with the capitol police, the fbi, and so forth, and in discussions with the senate leadership. i'm told that is not necessarily why the senate decided to go out, but we're expecting to hear from the senate sergeant in arms soon. that's an important point, the fact that i'm actually allowed to stand up here goes to show it is not that kind of a situation, that everybody is told to stay in place or get in the building. >> dana bash on capitol hill. thanks so much. keep us posted. we'll come back to you shortly. this is the worst shooting on a military base, the deadliest one, since the shootings at ft. hood when major nidal hasan shot individuals, leaving 13 dead and 32 wounded in that shooting. we're told 12 are dead here at the naval yard today.
i believe the 12 includes the shooter, but quite honestly, the information is so fluid right now, we're not exactly 100% on whether the dozen dead includes the shooter who was shot on the scene. there are a lot of witnesses to what happened. 3,000 individuals work at the naval yard, and we talked and heard from a lot of them in the minutes and hours after the attack. let's play some of their sound. >> the fire alarm went off first, and i was on the phone. and somebody came to my desk and said this is not a fire alarm. somebody has been shot in the building. so we went around trying to get people out of the building. as we were exiting the back door, we noticed him down the hall. we heard shots. and as he came around the corner, he aimed his gun at us and fired at least two or three shots. >> we were having a business meeting, about 20 after 8:00, and we heard three sounds. sounded like a table collapsing on the ground, and we came out of the office and said what was that? about a minute later, we heard a very loud pop, which couldn't have been more than -- we splated about 100 feet away.
when that happened, everyone said this is no drill. no, go! emergency exits now, and a whole bunch of us were able to make it to the emergency exits, and we heard more shots. >> you were just having a meeting. >> yes, sir. >> and then what? >> we heard sounds, pops. it sounded like a table. nobody knew what it was. it sounded like a table dropping to the ground. the fourth shot was unmistakable, a loud gunshot. >> i heard three shots, pow, pow, pow. 30 seconds later, i heard four more shots around the cafeteria. knew they were shots and started panicking. then we were trying to decide which way we were going to run out. everyone in the cafeteria was trying to run in the back. the workers told us to come in the back. i refused. i wanted to get out of the building, so we all ran on the side of the building where security was. she was outside, and she told us to run as far as we could. she had her gun drawn.
someone had pulled the fire alarm. the next thing i heard, police cars, sirens, just happened so fast. >> i would tell you from the reports of the victims, it was -- it had to be a semiautomatic because they're talking about gunshots that they heard in rapid succession. so i have no more information. we, of course, will get bullet fragments and have more information, and they will at the scene as well. but i don't have any more information right now. >> if you're just joining us, the chief of police in washington, d.c. reported there are a dozen dead at the scene of the shooting here at the washington, d.c. naval yard. we're going to take a very quick break. when gueye come back, we'll hear from president obama who talked about the shooting earlier today. copd makes it hard to breathe...
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shooting. the chief of police just minutes ago reported 12 individuals were killed in the attack. countless others were wounded. one shooter is dead. there is a suspicion that two other shooters are on the loose. potentially on the loose. these individuals. one of them is an african-american between 40 and gift years old. the other is a white man between 40 and 50 years old. the white man with the handgun, the african-american with the long gun. both of these dressed, karg to eyewitness accounts, in navy-style uniforms although we do not know if they're naval personnel. earlier, president obama, who was previously scheduled to talk about the anniversary of the economy imploding five years ago, mentioned the shootings in remarks at the white house. >> i have been briefed by my team on the situation. we still don't know all the facts. but we do know that several people have been shot and some have been killed. so we're confronting yet another mass shooting.
and today, it happened on a military installation in our nation's capital. it's a shooting that targeted our military and civilian personnel. these are men and women who were going to work, doing their job, protecting all of us. they're patriots, and they know the dangers of serving abroad, but today, they faced the unimaginable violence that they wouldn't have expected here at home. >> horrific. the worst mass shooting at a u.s. military base since ft. hood, tragedy, since the ft. hood tragedy where major nidal hasan killed 13 individuals, wounded dozens ort others. 12 are dead here. there was a conspiracy, although one did not come to fruition, by violence at ft. dix.
as of right now, we have no idea the motive of the individual or individuals who carried out the horrific attacks. i want to bring in john matthews, the author of "mass shootings, six steps to survival." it seems almost counter intuitive. are there possibly strategies one can have for surviving? these things happen so quickly. how can one prepare? >> well, there are. and in the model six steps for survival, we basically walk the citizens, walk people through. what do you need to do to survive one of these active shooter incidents? and the first thing in the model is to exit. if you have the ability to exit immediately, get as far away from the scene as you possibly can. several of the witnesses said today they heard pops. they heard gunshots, and yet 30 seconds or a minute later, somebody finally told them to leave. you need to recognize those shots are not normal and to get out of there and exit as soon as possible. if you can't exit, the next best thing you can do is to find cover. hide behind something that will protect you from the gunfire.
a structural support beam in a building. behind a car in a parking lot or a cement curb in a parking lot. if you don't have cover, find concealment. each one of these items will help you to survive a mass shooting. concealment is hiding from the shooter, being out of his line of sight. >> a lot of journalists in the post-9/11 era have taken survival training courses. i know i have. one of the things i learned from the former british machines who instructed me was be the gray man, they called it. be the gray man. blend into the background. that's part of a survival strategy? >> we have had survivors survive some of these by hiding in commercial dishwashers, behind copiers. they get out of the shooter's line of sight. and that's what's important. usually, these individuals are after targets. they want high body counts. they are almost on a mission. so if you can get out of their line of sight and stay out of their line of sight, they're probably going to move fairly
quickly past you. another strategy that has worked many, many times in these shootings is to play dead. often the shooters will spray the room with bullets. hit certain individuals but maybe not hurt or kill others. if you play dead, you have a great chance of surviving one of these incidents. >> all right, john matthews, thank you so much for joining us. we're going to take a very quick break. when we come back, we'll have the latest on our investigation with our own brian todd. stay with us.
at this hour, it appears that we have at least 12 fatalities. and we're continuing to try to ascertain how serious this situation is. and it doesn't get much more serious than that, obviously. >> washington, d.c. mayor vincent gray giving the horrific news that 12 are dead here at the washington naval yard. the site of a mass shooting that took place this morning at around 8:15. police were immediately dispatched and ultimately became a massive crime scene. two individuals are still suspected shooters and on the loose. i want to bring in brian todd to give us the latest on the investigation. first of all, this is -- we're talking from a crime scene. >> that's right. we're on the perimeter of the navy yard, jake. i was just east of here on the
eastern perimeter not long ago. a very heavy police presence around there. some kind of a staging area set up around there to try to go in there and clear some of the buildings. we have found from multiple sources that law enforcement agencies from various branches, the fbi and others, are working to clear the buildings and secure them. that's going to take a while. >> when you talk about clearing a building, going in and making sure it's completely empty. nobody is hiding. >> everybody is secured, everybody is accounted for. >> no wounded individuals. >> that's right. that effort is led by the fbi. also, you can pick up from various witness accounts from the hospitals, witnesses describing the shooter and the kind of shots that were fired. you're getting an indication this was some kind of an automatic weapon because at least one witness described shots in multiple succession. we're finding out that again, we have two suspected potential shooters. one shooter dead. possibly, you know, they're sweeping buildings now, and you have possibly multiple -- an
automatic type weapon being used at the scene according to witness accounts. >> the guns -- the guns i have heard about, you have a physician at washington hospital center saying that the patients who have been brought to her, one man, two women, described a rapid pop, pop, pop, i think she described it as a semiautomatic, not an automatic, and then you have chief lanier talking about the white man who is still on the loose had a handgun, according to some accounts. and the african-american man on the loose had a long gun of some sort. >> right, but that's not a lot of information. what we do know is she's giving us a much more detailed description of the african-american potential shooter than she has of the white male potential shooter. >> give american details. >> a black male between the ages of 40 and 50, wearing some sort of olive military-style clothing. a medium complexion. she even described measurements.
5 to the 10", 180 pounds, with gray sideburns. that's much more specific than the other potential shooter she named which was white male between 40 and 50 wearing a tan military-style uniform, a beret, the uniform possibly a military uniform. these could be uniforms that were similar to military, maybe not official military uniforms. >> she took pains to say these were not necessarily individuals in the navy, although to get into the navy yard, it's a secure location. there was at least some sort of either fraud or they actually had, you know, valid passes to get in there. we have no idea. >> and eleanor holmes norton said she didn't think anybody could get in here without i.d. we're going off this a little bit to speculate, which we don't want to do, but we can say this this under normal circumstances is a very secure base. >> stand by because we're going to take a quick break. when we come back, we have new information about the white male suspect still at large. be right back after this.
welcome back to cnn's breaking coverage of the shooting at the washington, d.c. navy yard. i'm here with brian todd. brian, we've been talking all day about not just the two suspects that the d.c. chief of police continually references, but also the fact that in a situation like this, the information that is flowing so quickly is often wrong. >> that's right. >> you now have information for us about the white suspect of the two that cathy lanier, the chief of police, has identified. >> the washington, d.c. police have said that the white male in the tan outfit has been identified and is not a suspect or person of interest. you can take that from potentially two other shooters to potentially one and we'll see how that develops in the coming hours. the white male identified by chief lanier just moments ago has now been basically accounted for as not a suspect, not a person of interest. we were talking about some of the misinformation flowing all day and that's just the nature
of these things that a lot of the information we have been getting in initial reports has turned out not to be true. right now, one potential other shooter, and we have to see how that developments, but the white male in question, not a potential shooter. >> i was talking about individuals who were -- look alt this, this is a scene from people who are potentially coming from a building that was on lockdown. we'll get more information about them in a second. we were talking about earlier about how these two other potential shooters were being viewed even by some in the military and some law enforcement with some skepticism because what you have here is a completely chaotic situation. individuals looking around, trying to figure out who's who, don't know everybody. police are coming in, military police, u.s. marshals, and you see somebody you don't recognize. he's dressed in a uniform and he has a gun, and you don't know who he is. you tell that to the fbi when they debrief you. eventually, they figure out it was a member of law enforcement
or a member of the military. >> add to that you're on a military base where many people are wearing uniforms. you mentioned most of the employees here were civilian, but there were many people in uniform. you see someone in a uniform and they have a weapon. again, witness accounts, very fluid, they have to kind of just piece through all of this, comb through it, and now they have been able to potentially weed out one of the potential shooters. but you've still got one out there, potentially again, who has -- and they have given a fairly -- excuse me. >> detailed description. >> detail s description of that person of a black male between the ages of 40 and 50, gray sideburns, 5'10", 180 pounds. that's much more specific than the white male we can now take out of the equation. >> i want to go to daini bash on capitol hill where security has been increased, but nothing yet in lockdown, unless they have changed anything since the last time we spoke. dana? >> well, there's about to. a senior democratic source tells
me the senate is about to go into lockdown. what that means is no one will be allowed into this building and no one will be allowed out. the senate already went into recess about 55 minutes ago, out of an abundance of caution. that's a term that comes from the senate sergeant in arms. this is something i just got on my e-mail from a democratic source who is telling me about this, says after virginia tech, boston, et cetera, it's just not wise to start sending staff outside to wander. we want to give police in d.c. a chance to do their jobs. and just by way of the geography here, just to give you some context, here at the capitol, about a mile or a mile and a half away from the navy yard so it's not that far. there certainly is a lot of concern about if there really are these suspects at large, what that means for people inside this building. now, i should also tell you this is the senate. the senate is behind me. you see there's nobody there because they're in recess.
down there on that side, it's the house. they're also not in session now, but i got word back from somebody in the leadership there who said they have not made the decision quite yet to lockdown. and i was also told it's going to be for about two hours in duration so far, so no one will be allowed in or out of the senate for two hours. again, they say, out of an abundance of caution, jake. >> of course, and we all remember when the shooter went into the capitol and killed a couple capitol hill police officers in the '90s. so that's still very resonant in the minds of those who are responsible for security on capitol hill. dana bash, thank you so much. we'll come back to you soon. i want to take a quick break. when we come back, news, accounts, and testimony, from an eye witness to the shooting. we'll be right back. vo: at meineke we know that oil is the lifeblood of every car.
still considered a crime scene at the washington navy yard in southeast d.c. this is an up and coming part of the city in which now tragedy has struck. we have learned in the last hour from both the mayor of the district of columbia and also the washington metropolitan police, from the chief specifically, the staggering number that's tough, still, to wrap your head around. 12. 12 dead as a result of this mass shooting. building 197, specifically. it's the naval sea systems command center in this massive navy complex. 3,000 or so employees. many of whom are civilians. the first call came into washington police around 8:15 this morning. and thou we have learned 12 dead, and according to the police chief, that includes the shooter himself. as we continue to look at all of this video playing out, we're continuing to hear from eye witnesses. what did they say? what did they hear? we'll talk to one here in a moment. also, we're awaiting updates as far as those injured because we
have the 12 dead and multiple injured, many of whom have been rushed to these washington hospitals. we're awaiting a news conference from washington hospital center specifically. we heard from a doctor earlier today and she was detailing three victims rushed to her hospital, one of whom was a metropolitan police officer and two other women, all of them suffering gunshot wound. we also heard from a doctor from the george washington hospital, detailing a man in his 60s dead on arrival from gunshot wounds there. as we're getting more information, i just want to play some sound for you. this is really the big news in the last hour as we heard both from the mayor of washington, vincent gray, and also from the police chief, cathy lanier, giving the grim details. take a listen. >> at this hour, it appears we have at least 12 fatalities. continuing to try to ascertain how serious the situation is.
doesn't get much more serious than that, obviously. one of the officers for the metropolitan police department injured. we have no known motive at this stage. people were asked earlier if this was a terrorist attack. we don't have any reason to think that at this stage. we'll continue that investigation and try to determine what the motive was. we also want to know if there were other shooters, other people in the building at the time. we're continuing to engage in that investigation. and we'll have that information later in the afternoon. we will be back here at 4:00. we'll be back for that press briefing at 4:00. now let me have the chief of police come up for more details. >> i just want to first start
off by saying, as far as the initial response at the scene this morning, we have at least one officer with gunshot wounds who is currently being treated, but the response by uniformed police officers from both metropolitan police department and united states park police was absolutely nothing short of heroic. with at least 12 confirmed dead at this point, i think the actions by the police officers without question helped to reduce the number of lives lost. so our hearts go out to the families of certainly all the victims here, but our gratitude to the front line officers from the metropolitan police department and also the united states park police who ran into danger this morning to try and reduce the number of victims. i'll start from the top and go through quickly. right now, we're confirming at least 12 fatalities. we had a few additional folks who were injured. they were not fatally injured.
we have additional officers that were injured. only one injured by gunfire at this point. other injuries sustained by multiple different police agencies on the large response inside. we are officially now transitioning to an fbi lead. the fbi will lead the investigation. the entire investigation will be processed and handled as unified process. but with that said, any additional information that anybody might have that they want to share with the investigation, you can call 1-800-call-fbi. 1-800-call-fbi. i have a slight update on the lookout for potentially two additional individuals involved in the shooting. the first is for a white male between 40 and 50 years of age. wear wearing a tan -- i'm sorry, white male wearing a tan, what appears to be a military uniform
consistent with naval uniform, and a beret-style hat. we also have a lookout for a black male between the ages of 40 and 50. and an olive military-style uniform. he is approximately 5'10", 180 pounds. medium complexion with gray sideburns. graying sideburns. we have no indication of any motive at this time. we are updating and asking for family members. we know a lot of folks have cell phones and can contact family members, but if you're looking for contact with your family members that may have been inside of the navy yard today, ncis has established a phone number for reunification. that's 202-433-6151. a secondary number, 202-433-9713. right now, we have an impasse in the area, obviously, a large part of the area is still in
lockdown. we're still asking residents to stay out of the area, remain in your home. we feel the area is safe. we have an active search for potential suspects. we're asking people to stay in their homes and stay out of the area. again, there are multiple agencies here. we got support from a lot of our counterparts in the region. maryland and virginia as well as all the federal agencies here in washington, d.c. there are very, very few questions we can answer at this point. still a lot of information coming. we'll do another update in two hours. at this point, we would take a limited amount of questions, ask for your patients and go from there. >> metropolitan police chief cathy lanier, breaking the tragic news. 12 dead here, including the shooter there at the washington navy yard from this mass shooting early this morning. but we already have an update on something she said, talking specifically about the two potential other shooters. want to go to the washington
navy yard just outside this crime scene. brian todd has been working this. what's the update? she mentioned specifically a white male and an african-american male as possible additional shooters. what have you learned? >> brooke, we have just learned from the washington metropolitan police department you can eliminate one of those potential shooters. the d.c. police tweeting out a short time ago, quote, the white male in the tan outfit has been identified and is not a suspect or person of interest. so the potential two shooters that chief lanier talked about in the news conference almost an hour ago, there's now only potentially one shooter, the white male being eliminated by the d.c. police. whoever that person was has been accounted for and is now not identified as a suspect. but that leaves one potential shooter, according to the police. and the chief described that person as a black male between 40 and 50 years of age. wearing some kind of an olive military style outfit with a medium complexion. gray sideburns.
5'10", 180 pounds. we have to stress, the chief said this is just a potential shooter, and a short time ago, they had two potential shooters. now they have only one. this information very, very fluid, as you know. they're working to secure this area. we're just outside the perimeter of it. fbi and other law enforcement teams going building by building, trying to clear them, secure them, making sure everybody is -- there are no other people wounded or just, you know, moving about in these buildings. and that is a big job. and may take several more hours. this is a fairly large base. 3,000 people work here. one other very important nugget that the police chief mentioned a as of now, there is no known motive for this shooting. 12 people dead, including at least one shooter. we have descriptions from witnesses, brooke, who have reported at the hospitals that they heard shots in multiple succession, in quick succession, indicating it might be some kind
of semiautomatic weapon, at least one of them. the african-american suspect or potential shooter that was identified was also said by the police chief to be carrying a long gun, something like a rifle or something like that. not a lot of detail on that, but again, witnesses have described some kind of semiautomatic, possible semiautomatic weapon used because shots were fired in rapid succession. >> that was from the doctor at the washington medical center. we're awaiting another news conference because as of a couple hours ago, the doctor was detailing the injuries of three people, one gentlemen and two women, all in critical condition, but she said they all should survive. do me a favor and stand by because i want to come back to you and talk about who the people are, the 3,000 employees at the washington navy yard, but barbara starr, to you at the pentagon, here is my question number one, watching all of our coverage, and this is what has confused me, hearing differing accounts, if you will, of the security specifically in this
building, building 197, because you hear from congresswoman eleanor holmes norton, the securest building in the most secure compound, yet i herd from other eye witnesses saying there are no metal detectors. which is it. >> there's security and there's security, isn't there, brooke? everyone can agree these days if there is someone who wants to commit a terrible crime, they can pretty much find a way around most security measures. we know this. at this facility where i have been many times as well as other cnn journalists, here's what security looks like. if you are an employee and you have a business reason to be here, you will have a sticker on your car. they will have already run a check on you. you will be able to get through the gate. you'll probably have to show your military i.d. let's start there. could you steal a military i.d.? or if you're a contractor or a civilian employee, sure, somebody could steal an i.d. somebody could put a weapon in the trunk of their car inside a gym bag.
get out, the weapon would be hidden. get into a building. typically, in government buildings in washington, if you have regular access, you don't always go through a metal detector. it would slow down the reality of business in washington a good deal. but you might. i mean, there's random checks, and that's what they rely on. if you're a visitor, you have to have a reason to be there. you have to have an appointment. you have to be cleared in. someone will escort you. so all of this, i think, is fair to say, is really one of the real things they're going to look at. is there ever enough security? probably not, if you had iron clad security, most experts would tell you, very difficult to function. brooke, i'm sorry. >> so many of us, i know. barbara starr, we appreciate you. thank you very much. we'll come back to you. i want to bring in matt maasdam, worked at the washington navy yard. matt, let me begin with, you worked there. the lay of the land. guys, let's roll this google
street view. it's amazing the things you can find on google. let me be entirely transparent and say we don't know when this was shot. but here you have the main gate, as it begins to zoom in. that red building is building 197. the main gate to the navy yard, the one that is heavily secures is on m street southeast. if you look for the red line here which you'll see in a minute, that's how we traced the street view car, it entered the grounds of the navy yard, you see it here, and drove up to the building, building 197, without a single security stop. there does appear to be, and you'll see it in a minute, some kind of gate on the other side of this building, but that building appears to be fairly easily accessible. there's the ryder truck. beyond that is the gate. has the security improved since the action was taken. to matt, do you remember this area being easably passable if you're not a card-carrying employee of the washington navy
yard? >> i live right down there. so the area is very familiar to me. but i don't know how old these pictures are, and i don't go in that gate. i went in the gate on m street, so when i worked there. and it was as secure as any other military facility where if you have a reason to be there, like barbara said, they check your i.d. and let you go. so that's true if you're in a car. that's true if you're on foot. it's true if you have a bag or not. they don't check your bag generally. so you could get in with something that you shouldn't have, like a gun. you could have a big gun and break it into a couple pieces and put it together once you get through the door, if you're walking in on foot. all of that is possible. >> what about, i'm being told there is maybe some sort of construction site. i don't know if this is current construction, but is that, still, the navy yard, a secured area independent of a construction site, let's say? >> there is construction right alongside the yard, but, i mean, if somebody wanted to jump the fence, they might be able to do
it from the construction site. that's pure speculation. that has no basis in anything i have heard. so as barbara said, if you want to get in, you can get in. that's not particularly hard. if you're armed and you get in, i mean, there's not a lot of people who are going to try to stop you until the police encounter you. >> congresswoman eleanor holmes norton saying this is one of the remaining military organizations where civilians can enter and work. matt, thank you very much for joining me from washington. as we try to understand the lay of the land of the washington navy yard. coming up as more details to eke out as we're learning about the tragedy, 12 dead, including the shooter. we're in hour eight of what is still an active crime scene. coming up, i'll talk to an eyewitness who saw things, who heard things, very early this morning. stay with me. ♪
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we continue to get new information on our breaking news into what has become an incredibly tragic day, tragic morning for many people in washington, d.c. as we have learned that 12 people have been killed because of this early-morning shooting at the washington navy yard. and the bit of information that we have now learned, let me be specific, from a government official with detailed knowledge of this shooting, that the dead shooting suspect has been fingerprinted and has been identified. that's as far as this source is going. the dead shooting suspect has been fingerprinted and identified. and we've also learned specifically from the next door neighbor of this washington navy yard, that is the washington national stadium, they were supposed to have a baseball game tonight against the atlanta braves. that has been put off for now, specifically, they're saying, decided to postpone tonight's game. safety of our fans is of the utmost priority. and i want to go, just outside
of the stadium, because this is being considered, this is being used at a massive staging area for family members. imagine you have a loved one who works at the washington navy yard, and you don't know where he or she is. this is where you go. that is where we have our correspondent rene marsh standing by someone. hopefully she has good news, rene. tell me where you are. >> that's right, brooke. we're at n street and half street here. that's at the corner. you can see the navy national stadium right behind me. this is a staging area for family members who want to reunite, who are looking to reunite with their loved ones who were on campus at the time of the shooting. i am joined here now by marium, you were waiting for your husband. when i first met you a couple hours ago, you drove up to the scene and you were essentially in tears. tell me what the waiting period has been like for you? >> a long, involved process. we have been fortunate, though,
to know he's okay, and my heart goes out to the people who have lost family members today. it's very grueling and very sad. >> this morning when i saw you, i saw the anxiety on your face. >> we've been through so much personally that it just was overwhelming. it was hard to focus and hard to concentrate. you know -- >> your number one question, i assume, when you drove up here, is where is my husband? that's what you said to me. where is my husband? i just want to see him. i imagine when you see the images on television, all you want to do is give him a big hug. that's what you're waiting to to here. >> i'm going to jump on him and knock him down. yes, every time a bus pulls up, i get more and more excited he's going to walk off and we're going to see him. i'm also concerned for the other people that were in that building that are his coworkers. they're okay and safe. >> thank you so much. now, brooke, i want to have you take a look behind me here. this is what the scene looks
like. i'm going to back up so you can get a full feel of what we're seeing here. just a few minutes ago, we had about three buses pull up. there were -- who we believe to be employees get off of those buses. and walk out of this area. however, we're expecting that perhaps more buses will be coming to this very area here to drop off even more people who happen to be on campus. what we understand is happening at this point is detectives essentially want to interview these people. they want to find out what did they see, what did they hear? so the information we have is that the debrief is happening now with investigators and as soon as they have their questions answered, those people will be placed on the buses, brought here to national stadium, and then people like mariam will be able to reunite with their loved ones. you can imagine that will be quite emotional. >> i can't imagine. just to think there are 3,000 employees at the washington navy
yard, just imagine the families, the wives and husbands and dads and moms, you know, waiting to see their loved ones a-okay. rene marsh for us at the national stadium next to the navy yard where this horrendous shooting took place around 8:15 this morning. 12 dead, and we're continuing to learn new information as far as what people saw, what people heard. we'll talk to an eye witness who worked just next door.
i'm brooke wabaldwin yor. you're watching breaking news as far as what happened on this tragic monday in washington. we heard from the police chief of d.c.'s metropolitan police. at least 12 are dead because of this massive shooting in building 197 of the washington navy yard. we heard from the president today. he spoke. had a planned address speaking about the state of the economy, but spoke, made comments off the top of this calling this a cowardly act. we heard from the mayor of the district of columbia, vincent gray, saying thus far the motive is unknown. we know according to the police chief, one gunman is dead and cnn has confirmed a government official with detailed knowledge of the shooting said the dead shooting suspect has been
fingerprinted and i.d.'d and a second possible attacker, possible shooter, is still being sought. and as we get more information and are beginning to hear from those who were inside this navy yard and just outside, i want to bring in my next guest. he's paul williams. he has been working, from what i understand, paul, all of two weeks not too far away from the washington navy yard at casa where you help displaistced families and kids. let me ask you out of the gate, how are you doing? >> i'm actually doing pretty well now. once we -- the area was evacuated, we got to go home. i feel a little better after being at home, getting my mind and myself situated. >> i'm glad you feel better. i have to just ask, take me back to this morning. tell me where you were around 8:15 when apparently the g gunshots began going off. >> i was actually walking from my car, going into the office. i usually get to work around
8:30. i happened to get there at 8:15 this morning. so as i'm walking to the office, i'm listening to music. ia know, kind of just getting yourself ready for the monday morning work day. walking to the office, i hear -- i have been hearing on the news, three bangs. actually heard four loud bangs. in that area, there's on-going construction, so i didn't think anything of it. i continued walking, thinking maybe it's just the construction or whatever. as i walked maybe another ten, 20 seconds go by sknand i see l 100 people running toward me. at that point, i'm not going to continue walking in that direction. i started to run with them, not knowing exactly what was going on, i started running with them in the opposite direction. kind of wondering why we were running, but i had no idea. actually, turned around. as i'm running, i heard maybe a police officer or a security officer, and she was yelling out, it's a shooting, it's a shooting. everyone continue, go, move, run, run.
once we got a block away and we finally stopped running, we as in the other hundred people that were there, i asked what was going on, what had happened. one of the people informed me there was a shooting in a building. a man came in. he had a gun, and next thing you know, we were all evacuated. >> so here you are, you don't know why you're running. when you see 100 people running, you're running with them the other way. as they're yelling there has been a shooting, did you get a chance once everyone, i presume, started to slow down, did you get a chance to really talk to any of those people who worked presumably at the navy yard and ask them more details, what they saw? >> that's the thing, since i don't actually work there, and i'm not still not having a good grasp of what was happening, i kind of was listening and overhearing conversations going on. just trying to stay in the loop of information. i overheard a lot of people talking to their families and letting their wives and husbands and family know they're okay.
but no one had any idea who this person was. everyone said it was a tall guy with a gun, and they had no idea what was going on. and they were just -- it almost seemed like everyone was lost and running, like i was running. just okay, people are moving, and evacuating, so let's all just go. as more people came out of that area, that building, you could tell like more people were maybe directly or closer involved because they were coming out in tears. they were shaking and distraught. >> did you see anyone injured themselves? >> no, i did not. i just saw, like, just as the day and the time period started moving along, once the one minute became 5 and 5 became 10, i saw more people upset and more distraught emotionally. >> paul, what happened next? you said, were you held? i know there was a shelter in
place for quite a wliel today and perhaps even still is on parts of the campus, part of the washington navy yard. were you and the crowd kept in one place? if so, for how long? >> that's the crazy thing about it. it seemed, well i know now, after hearing the new said and knowing the time slot of when things happened, we were like, we as in me and the group of people, were the first people to know what was happening. so everyone was -- everyone at that point was still confused. but once i guess that time period had elapsed, we heard another shooting, more shots being fired. and that's when they told us to go -- they as in the authorities, police officers and what not, told us to continue going up the block and move away from the area. everyone was gathered in one area kind of talking to each other and basically, are you okay? did so-and-so come out? have you seen them yet? everyone was more concerned of people still there. >> so i'm curious because you
said two things. you said you heard one round of shots. i think this is when you were listening to your headphones and trying to not think about the monday morning work blues, and then at some point later, you heard that this other set of shots. i'm curious, was that two minutes apart, 20 minutes apart? >> i would say two to three minutes apart from the run. i wouldn't say from the initial shooting or bangs, but from the run, as we were all standing there and sitting and gathering our thoughts. that's when we heard another pair of shots and people were like, you need to keep moving. go up the road, go up the road. you know, stay together. and that's what we did. we just kept moving right along. but with the situation, there was really nowhere else to go because there was no way to get to your car or to the metro. everything started shutting down at that point. you really couldn't go -- only but so far. >> wow, and this area of d.c., i used to live in washington. i've been to the nats ballpark. this is really sort of this up
and coming. you mentioned the construction, up and coming part of washington. just across the street, just to give people who don't know the area, the lay of the land, across from the navy yard, you have homes and there are schools. at some point, there were six schools on lockdown. talk to me about this part of d.c. >> the crazy thing about it is i've only worked there like for two weeks. i've been there a few times for the nats games. like you said, a very good area. after work, i actually jog over there. i have never had any problems. i always feel comfortable in that area. people are always friendly. always different events going on. so just to have this happen is just very strange. and it's very upsetting. you know, to have this happen, of this magnitude. and i just hope that the victims and their families are doing well. >> we hope so, too. >> as well as they can be, obviously. >> we hope so, too, paul williams. we're glad you're okay. thank you for talking to me as long as you have. >> coming up, as we hear from
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welcome back. bottom of the hour, as we continue our breaking news. i'm brooke wabaldwin. tragedy in washington, d.c. we learned from washington empty police, 12 people have been killed as a result of this massive shooting around 8:15 this morning. what you're looking at, the washington navy yard. something we have now learned here in the last few moments at cnn. a government official with detailed knowledge of this specific shooting investigation has told us that the dead shooting suspect has already been fingerprinted and identified. that's all we know, but this individual has been fingerprinted and identified. also we know at this hour, think of the loved ones. think of the moms, the dads, the husband, the wives, who have family members who work, 3,000 people work at this washington
navy yard, so they're all, if they're not there already, heading to right next door, washington national stadium, which by the way, has canceled that braves game tonight. instead, it's now changing the use, now allowing family members wait and hope to be reunited with their loved ones who had been sheltered in place for much of the day here at work. and we're also hearing today from the president of the united states. he was scheduled to speak specifically about the economy, but right off the top, he had some comments for what happened in the district of columbia, specifically calling this a cowardly act. here's the president. >> i have been briefed by my team on the situation. we still don't know all the facts. but we do know that several people have been shot. and some have been killed. so we're confronting yet another mass shooting. and today, it happened on a military installation in our nation's capital.
it's a shooting that targeted our military and civilian personnel. these are men and women who were going to work, doing their job, protecting all of us. they're patriots, and they know the dangers of serving abroad. but today, they face the unimaginable violence that they wouldn't have expected here at home. >> to talk about the violence, let me bring in larry barton, a crisis management expert. larry, here you have in this one particular building, i don't know how many employees. to hear the thought of gunshots, you know, and in rapid succession, according to those who were injured, what does one do? >> well, brooke, i think part of it is we have to understand there are soft targets and hard targets. when we spoke after sandy hook, we know that elementary school was a soft target. the boston marathon was a soft target. it's open to the public. anyone can be here.
the difference here is it was a hard target. you look at a military installation, this navy yard no different than ft. hood where society expects and employeesectspath there aresary parameters of security to protect them in their daily life. similarly, what i love your viewers to think about is there are also soft perpetrators and hard perpetrators. soft ones may have mental health issues. why does a mother down her children? a hard perpetrator, the issue you're dealing with today, i think, at least two or three perpetrators and they were orchestrated, organized, they were sophisticated enough to have a campaign in which at least 12 people are dead, and it appear to be wearing military uniforms or some type of camouflage. so just think of it that way, that this was orchestrated, highly planned, and the question ultimately will be for any of them, their families, their coworkers, what did we know? when did we know it, and what did we do about it?
if there was any precursor to it. >> the question why? why did this have to happen? so far, so early in the investigation. no motive known as yet. hopefully in the coming days, we will learn. larry barton, crisis management expert, thank you very much. >> we heard from the delegate from washington, d.c., congresswoman eleanor holmes norton, and she talks pretty powerfully and talked in terms of fatalities. 12 dead because of this massive shooting. she said we haven't had a day like this in d.c. since 9/11. you'll hear from her next.
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we heard not only from the metropolitan police chief and from the mayor of washington, d.c., we also heard from the delegate from congresswoman eleanor holmes norton who likened this in terms of fatalities that the district of columbia has seen, likened it to 9/11. here she was. >> we've not had a day like this since 9/11 for good reasons. i want to thank all of those who are assisting the metropolitan police department. our hearts, our prayers are with those who have died, with those who are injured. tomorrow at 7:00 p.m., when congress returns, i will be on the floor for the moment of silence. meanwhile, i'm really asking everyone to withhold judgment about what happened here.
i am very familiar with this facility. it began the revival of m street when we were able to get the sea systems command to come here. it is a very secure facility. and the navy has managed to keep it secure while it has been open to the public. >> let's pull away from that because we have learned there is a navy captain speaking. this is at the washington navy yard where this tragedy struck some eight hours ago. this is captain mark van droff. >> after the gunshots, what happened after that? shelter in place. >> we stayed shelters in place. those shots happened my guess is a little before 9:00. we were evacuated by police a little after 10:00. >> what happened in that hour? >> we were on the ground, and most of that hour was taken up
trying to gather information about where other people in my organization had sheltered. and then passing that up to my chain of command. >> is it your understanding they're letting everybody out at this point? >> i don't know. they had a group of about maybe 150 folks who had been in 197 that the police had gotten out in one group. they kept us together, went through witness statements with the authorities, and then just a little while ago, they got us all out. >> captain, what is building 197? >> what do you mean by that? a five story building. >> what is it called? what do you do there? >> building 197 is the number of the building. the naval sea systems command, which is, i don't want to speak in jargon here, so let me help you. the naval sea systems command is the navy's organization that procures and maintains ships, submarines and ships and submarine systems. there are three buildings on the navy yard that house the naval sea systems command. building 197 is one of these
three buildings. it has the headquarters staff, the contracting staff, the organization that i'm from, which buys non-nuclear surface ships. the folks that buy weapons systems, missile launchers and radars. they're on one of those. a lot of the technical folks who do design of ships and ship systems and ship safety, those engineers are all in that building. there are two other buildings that are also on the navy yard that also house the naval sea systems command. building 197 is the largest of the three. >> is it your understanding all the gunfire took place at 197? >> i do not know and have no information. i was in building 197 and i heard gunfire. i don't know about any other part of the navy yard since i wasn't there. so the fourth floor of that building, i work on the third, the fourth floor has the headquarters for the ship yard. so the navy owns four ship yards that do maintenance around different places around the country. we also do oversea contractors.
who do maintenance and private yards, and the headquarters facility for those folks along with logistics, safety, trying to think of who else is on the fourth floor. lawyers are on the fourth floor. all our legal department, they're on the fourth floor. the third floor does non-nuclear ship procurement and maintenance. >> is there some sort of relief you're able to come out or is there some anxiety knowing this is ongoing? >> that's a good question. i was very pleased with my folks. i would be lying to you if i told you we weren't scared. but i was pleased we weren't panicked. the people in the conference room and the people we were texting didn't panic. they tried to remain calm. we knee if we sheltered in place, eventually, the police would get us. >> this is one eye witness, a naval captain sdrieping working in building 197, hearing the
feeling bloated for no reason. that's what i remember. seeing my doctor probably saved my life. warning signs are not the same for everyone. if you think something's wrong... see your doctor. ask about gynecologic cancer. and get the inside knowledge. welcome back. we're covering the breaking news out of washington, d.c. 8:15 this morning, someone walked into building 197 and
just began to shoot. we now know according to the metropolitan police chief, 12 people have been killed. there were multiple injuries. again, we are waiting for this news conference to kick up in washington talking about the state of some of those injured. but i want to take you specifically to the capitol, which is not too far away from the washington navy yard. that's where we have our chief congressional correspondent, dana bash. dana, bring me up to speed as far as whether or not the senate is on lockdown, what's happening where you are? >> reporter: the senate is technically on lockdown and has been for a little less than an hour. what that means is this door back here that goes directly into the senate is closed and members of congress who want to leave and come apparently can. that's according to some of the police officers i've talked to. but everybody else is not allowed to enter the building, not allowed to leave the building, and same goes for the three senate office buildings that are around the senate complex. however, if you look over here, if you can just pan over here, that of course is the house side
of the capitol. brooke, that's open. so people can go in and out of the capitol building on the house side and also the house office buildings. so it is a little bit curious how they are dealing with that. i can tell you that ted barrett, who is inside for this lockdown, tried to go from the senate side to the house side inside the building and there were police officers stationed sort of in between to prevent people from going from one side of the capitol to the other. now, the question of course is does this mean there was a threat to the united states senate. the answer according to the senate sergeant at arms who sent out a notice to all senate aides and staffers, is no, they are doing this because they want to make sure the area is secure out of an abundance of caution, but there's no direct threat to the senate and they're going to do this until at least 5:00, then they will send another notice out to say whether or not they're going to continue it. i should also say the senate itself was in session. they came in at 2:00 p.m. eastern and pretty quickly went
out of session because of this shooting which again is about a mile, mile and a half from where we're standing right now. >> dana bash, thank you very much. i want to just broaden this out and talk about how this would have happened in terms of tactical teams coming in once the initial phone calls went in to metropolitan police. anthony roman is a security expert joining me now. anthony, it's impossible to know exactly what happened. we weren't there. but to listen to cathy lanier, the metropolitan police chief, describe the tactical units from her side, now we know fbi has taken the lead, walk me through how these teams would have gone into the washington navy yard to try to find the shooter. >> well, once the shooting is reported to these tactical teams, they break down into their usual responsibilities. first we establish a perimeter around the entire facility. then to begin a search of where the shooter may be present. once that's established, they establish a tight perimeter and control of the building or the
floors. they attempt to make communication with the shooter so that perhaps they can talk him down, try and get him to surrender, and in this particular case that didn't work out. the shooter was shot and killed. >> let me ask you this. forgive me as i'm checking my e-mail live on air. can we go with this? okay. forgive me, anthony. we will go with this. i'm getting word from the control room, washington fbi field office has told our correspondent pamela brown that the dead navy yard shooting suspect has been identified and fingerprinted as 34-year-old erin alexis. erin alexis, a military contractor from texas. just going to keep reading my e-mail to all of you. in addition a metropolitan police officials tell cnn the suspect was positively identified from a photo i.d. removed from the suspect's body. the military contractor i.d. matched the appearance of the dead man, according to this law enforcement source. the name on the i.d. was aaron alexis. so anthony, bringing you back in
as we are now learning for the very first time this dead shooting suspect, 34-year-old aaron alexis, had a military i.d., was a military contractor. what does that tell you? >> in this terrible mass shooting, you have a facility that has multiple entrances and exits. it's a mixed facility and what i mean by mixed facility, there are military personnel, there are military civilian contractors who are permitted access and have special government i.d. badges but there are also visitors, and visitors in bulk allowed on this facility. now, i know that's surprising for one of the oldest naval facilities in the country and one that houses some classified operations. but the naval museum is present there, and so busloads of tourists are actually permitted on. now, they are checked in a cursory fashion, photo i.d.s are checked, they may have to go
through further screening, magnetrons and that kind of thing but there are picnic tables within the facility and they are allowed to stroll to certain areas. >> anthony roman, thank you very much. forgive me for cutting you off. i want to go from you to this hospital news conference happening. this is the washington hospital center. doctors there treating multiple gunshot victims. let's dip in. >> -- victims who were brought in here, two of those were navy employees, the third a metropolitan police officer, and when i'm finished, the doctor will give you a detailed medical briefing. i got to meet or we got to meet one of the victims, a young woman, and her family. she is under the circumstances doing very well. also got to talk to the husband of a second victim who is in surgery right now, but none of
the injuries are expected to be life-threatening. i want to thank two groups very specifically. the first responders who got there so quickly from all sorts of different agencies, all sorts of military organizations, federal, local organizations from this area, and second is to thank the team here at the hospital. the victims have been receiving absolutely excellent care and they were brought to a great place. we immediately upon hearing about the shooting put in motion contingency plans for a situation like this, including things like just getting people out of the navy yard, getting people home tonight because most of them will not have access to their vehicles, figuring out about their personal belongings
because it is a crime scene, to i have made every victim a secretary of the navy designee so if they need any additional or specialized care, that they can go to walter reed bethesda. i'm absolutely confident they won't need it because of the excellent care here, but just in case, we have some specialized care that is not available anywhere else, they can go as my designee. third is to arrange for counseling, grief counselors available now, and counseling as we go forward to make sure that the trauma associated with this will be dealt with appropriately, and finally, if you have a loved one that was at the navy yard, there are two phone numbers that you can call for navy, 202-433-6151, or
202-433-9713. now, when you call, we will not be able to give you a status report. we'll have to check and call back. we have taken a muster, as you do in these situations, but because people are scattered, because they're scattered, one, from the event but two, just in normal day-to-day business, there are some that are scattered, it normally takes between 24 and 36 hours to make a complete muster and to find out the status of everyone. so again, to the doctors, to all the medical personnel, to all our first responders, thank you so much. >> mr. secretary, can you tell
us anything about the situation, about the gunman? >> i'm the chief medical officer at med-star washington hospital center. i'm here to give you an update regarding the three individuals who were brought to the hospital center. >> i'm jake tapper outside the washington navy yard. welcome to "the lead." we want to continue with the press conference at the med-star washington hospital center. >> that gentleman is currently in surgery. he's been in surgery for several hours. we expect that surgery to continue. he is the gentleman who has gunshot wounds to his lower extremities, so he is in surgery right now. he's doing well. he is expected to make a good recovery. the two other individuals, first one i'll tell you about is an individual who has a shoulder wound. she is in surgery right now, expect her to be