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billion. it will reduce a family of four's benefits by $36 a month. according to federal data, at least 47 million people or nearly 15% of the population receive assistance. that's your weekly five. >> hello, everyone. 6:00 here if the east. welcome to the newsroom. i'm don lemon. the white house in damage control mode after even more new allegations over the nsa's spying on our closest allies and a grizzly and who rfic mass killing. a mother and her four children murdered. those stories and more just ahead. but first, this. we are talking about chris brown's latest run-in with the law and about the passing of a rock icon.
>> "walk on the wild side" was probably lou reed's biggest hit but his legacy is bigger than that. the singer/song writer died at age 71 we are talking about his work and far-reaching influence. anthony decurtis will join us in just a moment on this. but we want to start with chris brown's arrest. after a fight outside a washington hotel. cnn's alan duke joins us now. what can you tell us about this? >> chris brown is in jail right now. he has been transferred to a central cell block in washington, d.c. for processing. he is not getting out today or tonight. he will go in front of a magistrate for a bail setting. because it happened early sunday morning. i'm under the understanding that his lawyer from los angeles is likely to show up in the district of columbia why tomorrow to help him get out of jail. but the real tough thing is, this fight that he was in early this morning could put him in jail here in los angeles because
of his probation violation in relation to that beating, conviction of rihanna four years ago. he already has been found in violation of his probation as recently as last month and the judge, when he goes before the judge next month for a scheduled hearing, likely will be very upset to hear that chris brown has been arrested again. >> he didn't have any room for mistakes, because he can go back it jail whether he is convicted or not, right? just the idea he was involved in an altercation, the judge could rule on that and send him to jail? >> the level of evidence that it takes to have a probation violation is not the same as a conviction on an assault charge. so we saw this with lindsay lohan. when she was arrested, that sent her into trouble. it's just the arrest. that's a violation of your probation. chris brown cannot afford that, considering everything that's happened in the last year with his legal troubles. >> just stay out of trouble. >> anyways, let's move on.
let's talk about lou reed. a huge loss for rock music. do we know any details about his death? >> they still haven't told us the official cause of his death. we know several months ago, he had a liver transplant. drug use over decades. it can really kale liver. he add transplant. we don't know if it is directly related to that or not. but a few months ago, he add liver transplant. he was seen out walking on the streets? new york since then. but news that he died just a few hours ago, this weekend, from his management, did not include any information about the cause of death. but certainly a shock to anyone that's ever been a fan. not just him but all of those musicians who he influenced and will the culture he impacted. >> we will talk more about that. let's talk about the glam rockers, alternative rockers. punk rockers. they all owe a huge debt to lou reed and the hugely influential band he found at the velvet
underground. remember them? all you folks who remember the 80s and '70s. where rock, art and griddy new york street life met. years after they broke up, songs like sweet jane and that wonderful riff live on. ♪ ♪ >> now, that's the lou reed i know. contributing editor at rolling stone magazine, you knew his work. people don't realize that it is just sort of reading back through, i remember the velvet under ground and we listen to that. the influence and violent fin answers the bands from the '80s. we can attribute a lot of that to lou reed. >> '80s and beyond.
we think that lou reed's impact, even though he isn't as well known as figures, lou reed can rank with bob dylan and leonard and mccartney. no question. >> but he didn't want to be a star. >> whether he wanted to be or not, lou reed knew what he was doing. you knew himself to be a literary figure as much as a musician. he took that aspect of his work very seriously. those people don't become massive big sellers. >> when many bands were singing about peace and love, peace and love, you know, you hear one of the beatles singing that all the time. he was writing about sexual deviancy, writing about drugs. >> yeah. he studied at syracuse university with del mar schwartz. very famous american poet. there was a sense, i think, in lou reed's work and in his ideas. like he said, if i were writing poems or novels or plays.
no one would bat an eye at the material i'm dealing with. but i'm trying to put these themes into rock music. and that was a radical move at that time. >> did he get criticism for it? >> oh, my goodness, absolutely. >> so he was ahead of his time. anyone ahead of their time gets criticism. >> a great line by the producer and artist brian eno, someone once said to him, an underground record only sold 30,000 copies. brian said every one of those 30,000 people formed a band. >> right. >> that was the level of impact. >> i always think about, and for some reason, i don't know, i was on an '80s jag, we were driving back from massachusetts and listening to all of the '80s music. sim minds and depesh mode. >> oh, my goodness. absolutely. depesche mode and simple minds
for that reason. and current bands like the national and you know, all owe an enormous debt. this man, with the velvet underground, invented underground rock. david bowie. owes a lot to lou reed. >> is there someone today that will have a legacy similar to lou reed? >> i think that is difficult to say, at this stage of the game. certainly he influenced so many major song writers. his impact through them will continue to be felt. as far as what will happen down the line, we'll have to wait and see. >> i know it is maybe a morbid question, but how did do you start to write an obituary about lou reed. >> i think you make the point to people, that even though they didn't know him, he is very important.
nobody has to explain how important bob dylan is. no one has to explain how important the beatles are. but even people who like a band like u2 who, you know, recorded lou reed's songs, don't necessarily know the impact he had on them. >> so you'll be interested in this. i've just been told by my producers that the former drummer of velvet underground and band made of lou reed will join us the next hour to talk about lou's legacy. >> that will be great. >> amaze pg. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. thank four asking me. it was an honor. >> can't wait for that coming up next hour. more fallout from the nsa spying controversy. looks like the spying on angela merkel may be more than previously believeed. maybe going back more than a decade. and storm expected to hit the united kingdom. may be the worst storm in
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you know, it is going to be a long night in southern britain by a region being hammered by what could be its pours et storm in decades. we find our aaron i erin mclaug. >> reporter: the rain has been heavy. winds strong around 45 miles per hour. conditions are expected to get worse as the night progresses. people here seem to be heeding the government advising staying off the roads, staying in doors. officials i spoke to say this kind of weather is typical of what we expect to see in the winter. but the system is coming in the autumn when trees are without
le leaves and the ground is saturated. some have compared this storm to the great storm of 1987. which was poorly forecasted and has done billions of damaged around the united kingdom. forecasters think winds won't be as strong and forecasters spotted this well in advance thanks to modern technology. people are taking necessary precautions. now the prime minister, david cameron chaired a call sunday to discuss storm separation. there is a fear the storm could have a widespread impact, but says that he is confident that emergency transport providers, power companies, things like that, will be able to respond as necessary. don? >> people don't heed warnings, there is a danger, but they got the warnings out early. is this a spectacle or does it really pose any danger?
>> well, with this point, time will tell. it is striking at night time into the morning. people wouldn't be out on the roads anyway. they are expecting travel disruption. british airways says operating on a reduced schedule tomorrow. train services are expected to be at an impasse and drivers have been advised to plan their journeys. they are concerned about a mo morning commute. they there is an advisory that if it is still going on in the morning, to stay off the roads until it passes. >> thank you. we appreciate you, erin. this report contradicts those that say president obama had personally reached out to merkel assuring he he knew nothing about the alleged cell phone tapping. 35 world leaders are now demanding answers about u.s. intelligence activities on their turf. aaron mcpike is in d.c. with the
latest pf erin. >> reporter: don, nsa chief general keith alexander told president obama about tapping chancellor merkel's phone in 2010. the nsa denies that piece of it. a spokesman told us today quote general alexander did not discuss with president obama in 2010 an alleged foreign intelligence involving german chancellor merkel nor has he ever discussed operations involving chancellor merkel. all that means is that alexander ant president didn't talk about it. we don't know the details or whether the president knew this was happening in the first place. germany is demanding answers and sending a delegation to the united states in the coming weeks. the german interior minister says that allegations are true. it is possible the united states broke the law and they want someone to be held accountable. and he said german confidence in the united states, one of their closest allies, is shaken.
now politicians on both sides of the aisle are conceding there may be tension with our allies but they are basically defending these practices. and that's including republican mike rogers. he chairs the house intelligence committee and here's what he told cnn's candy crowley this morning. >> we need to be respectful. but we also need to be -- and we need to be accurate. it needs to be overseen and make sure that we're not collecting information we don't need but we should collect information that is helpful to the united states interest. >> and of course, hillary clinton tried to explain the importance of these surveillance programs as well over the weekend. don? >> erin, thank you very much. back when barack obama was just a guy running for president. he charmed crowds in germany with the speech calling for more cooperation. that was so five years ago. up next, our panel of republican and democrats will analyze the political price tag of the nsa
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here they are now. you guys are quiet now. anna sf course a cnn contributor. lz a cnn commentator. lz granderson is a cnn kpl commentator. i'm glad you guys are calm. i know this will be fiery. there he is. then candidate barack obama basking in the cheers an estimated 200,000 germans. remember, the point was that obama in a post george bush world would respect our allies, be more international president. well, it is a good thing he is not in berlin right now and germans are furious. they are even sending a high delegation to washington to demand answers. lz, right to be spying on everyone else, including allies?
>> well, we have to look at entire time line of this conversation. assuming it begins with this administration. it begins with the previous administration, once again. we have to remember, when we went into iraq, we went in with us, the uk and a handful of countries, including australia. there were several countries against us. we will a policy post 9/11 that if you weren't for us, you were against us. i'm not surprised to find out we were spy awning france and germany. if you go back in time, those two countries were vocal about not invading iraq at the time. we considered them against us. drums feld, cheney and boys decided to bug them to make sure they weren't in cahoots with those who attacked us. >> anna, you are being awfully quiet. >> this is also happening during president obama's administration. let's just face it, okay? they spy on us. we spy on them.
this is real politic, world order 2013. it used to happen with guys who drank martinis, shaken, not stirred. now it happenes with a bunch of nerds listening on because we have the technological capability. but this is a lot of fained outrage. this is put on for other countries. yes, we spy on our allyes. we spy on our enemies more. bit way, if they can spy on us, they probably do it, too. so let's just face it. it happens. >> and come on, everybody spying on everybody. are you surprised? >> quickly, go ahead. >> that's the reason we have bcc on our e-mail. blind carbon copy. because we're spying and we want to make sure that people don't know we're spying. it is something everyone does. >> anna, listen to congressman peter king, new york republican.
he says there is nothing wrong with what the nsa is doing. >> i think the president should stop apologizing, stop being defensive. the reality is the nsa saved thousands of lives. not just the united states but also in france and germany and throughout europe. >> he has a point. >> yeah. >> go ahead. >> i just love peter king, don, because set cons mate new yorker. he doesn't even pretend to want to be politically correct. he just says things as they are. reality unvarnished. and that's the truth. it happens. you know, when you are a national leader of any country, you should assume somebody is spying on you. either your own people or the outside. >> lz, if everyone agrees this happens, and why all the noise about it. >> because you have to save face. people are so upset by this
revelation. we would be upset by this revelation if it was broad dhast germany was spying on president obama and his phone calls. but everyone knowes this game. i can't express the importance of that time line. this was initiated a at point in which we had just been attacked during 9/11. getting ready to invade a country. most of the world was against us. so we view germany and france as allies. but allies we need to watch carefully. >> i don't know if people would be upset. i think it is, tell us something we don't already know. am i wrong here, anna? >> no, listen. it became public and part of this nsa leaking the snowden affair. and people have to have a reaction. in an ideal world you shouldn't be spied on by your jl eyes. allies. so i think that's the part where the saving face has to commend.
but president obama needs to tell merkel, look, girl, we spied on you, i'm sorry. it happens. you know, you have a freeby. what can we do for you now. >> hey, we went into pakistan and they are supposed to on allies and we snuck in the night and took out some of bin laden's. they should know if we are doing it on that level -- >> that's different. >> that's not different. if pakistan is supposed to be one of our allies that we give all this aid to and we sneak in in the night with the government not knowing we are doing this type of extraction, this type of mission, that's similar it spying on people who are supposed to be our allies, like merkel. >> keep your friends close and your enemies closer. know what they are doing at all times. >> that's right. >> in the meantime, bill and hillary clinton are going all out for an old friend. so why are they so involved in the virginia's governor's race?
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what's your policy? president obama will go to boston to praise and promote the affordable care act. they have long touted massachusetts's health care law as a model for obama care. the same day health and human services seblt secretary testified on capitol hill. there were tough words for president obama this morning. >> we have letters of denial, where they are losing the insurance that they have, than people who have been able to sign up for the obama health care law. and you talk about secretaricy bealus and her comments, she is, as of "saturday night live" last night, the laughing stock of america. she lost considerable credibility. >> laughing stock of america.
opening sketch on snl last night, mocking the rough roll out of health care. the secretary staying calm despite the errors of the website debut. i haven't seen it yet but it looks funny. republicans are going after health and human services and snl as well. here is what she told our dr. san ji gupta. >> you know how they convinced there was a problem? >> i think it became clear fairly early on. first couple of days. >> not before that though. >> so i want to say this to an why and lz and i'm sure, don tweet us people, saying, that there's nothing wrong with the website. the president has admitted it. kathleen sebelius has admitted
it. the white house, the administration, everyone admitteded that the website, not so much. so cut it out. all right? anna, should someone in authority, sebelius, the president, someone have known this website wasn't ready for launch? and said something about it? >> i can't imagine how they didn't know that there were these huge problems with it. i can't imagine how it wasn't phased in. how it wasn't tested. i'm sure we're red-flagged. i'm an technology expert but i do know there are red flags when something goes wrong with a program the magnitude of this. it didn't get told, the story didn't get told, don, for a simple reason. in the political environment we're in, a delay would be seen as a defeat and would be a defeat and we have to concede there were any problems because they think it would be a bad
thing for obama care. and in fact, what has happened is that it has already been a bad thing for obama. the first two weeks we were all busy talking about the shut down and republicans were ruining our brand. but now, the heat is on them and the bottom line is you only get in life one clans to make a first impression. whether meeting your boyfriend's family for the first time, a job interview or obama care. and the first impression of obama care is not a good one. >> there is sort after conspiracy theory. >> i have to say this, don -- >> hold on, lz. >> okay. >> it is an issue in blue states, an issue in red states. it is working in states that make it work and not working in states that it's not working in. >> it is law that went through congress signed by the president that was challenged in
constitutionality and constitution about a supreme court. it is an website that has crashed. and it is not that much larger than that and elements of that law has been implemented and a lot of people really, really like it. that's important to say. and with that being said, i'm not that dig on conspiracy theories. i don't know if it is working on the rhett states more than the blue states or anything like that. but what i do know is that they did know there was issues with this website before they launched it app and thankfully for them, the gop was too busy being stupid and allowed two weeks of cover so outrage was split because people are still upset over the shutdown that happened in trying to defund obama care. so they didn't get the full brunt of what could have been a nastier greeting because of what the gop was doing two years prior to that. >> i think you're right. >> hang on, anna, hang on. i think affordable care act, it is not a website, but anna has a point. you don't want to give your
enemies any am new zigs and this terrible roll out of this website has given republicans am n ammunition. go ahead, anna. >> well it is not a website but the website is the vehicle to enroll into the law. so it is a necessary piece and component of making this legislation actually real. there are pieces that people like and pieces that people don't like. i've read many tweets today about people whose policies are getting cancelled. people who like their policies. having policies cancelled. but the real problem they are having in red states, don, is that some of those red states have democrat senators. some of whom are up for reelection. you've seen this week, ten democrat senators right president obama write the white house asking for delays and bringing up some of these issues. because it is going to turn into a very big political issue if it is not fixed. just real quickly here.
if i can get quick answers from you. virginia's governor's race. former president. bill clinton and his wife, former secretary of state hillary clinton, they are explaining for their friend, terry mcauliffe. there is an indication after run. is this the campaign trail early on for hillary clinton, lz? >> she had her campaign chair in 2008. i don't know what you're talking about. this is just another step in that long -- as soon as they said, you know, barack obama is our nominee, she started thinking p, all right, you got this one, but i'm going to come back after you get these eight years. so she started her campaign way before she made her way it virginia. >> anna, good ahead. >> virginia is a purple state. it's an important state. terry mcauliffe looks like the
likely winner so it is good for the clintons to be seen with the likely winner and be associated with them. they to believe in you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours. mcauliffe did a lost back scratching for the clintons in the past. but what a difference in the way they treat their friend anthony weiner and the way they treat their friend the big mac. >> virginia is for lovers. all right, guys. don't know why i said that. >> but not texters. >> thank you, always a pleasure to talk to you guys. we'll be right back, everyone.
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of those children was inside that apartment calling her husband for help and just couldn't get through to him by cell phone when help did arrive, it was too late. hoor is what we know, folks. police were called to an apartment involving a stabbing. when they arrived, they found a slaughter house. children were dead and parents with stabbed. he had been staying at their home for eight it ten days. before the killings, police say that desperate mother called her husband for help then called her mother-in-law in china who dispatched her sister-in-law. by then, it was too late.
>> the sister arrive at the location with her husband and they bang on the door and bang on the door. at some point he opens the door and they see he is covered with blood. >> police recovered a butcher knife from the scene. pair of scissors were also found. ming dong chin faces multiple charges including murder 1. four counts of murder 2. he is under arrest. he speaks mandarin. police are using an interpreter to speak to him. police say he has made incriminating statements about his participation. but all of these details, awful, don. the moments leading up to this, i can only imagine the mother trying to get help. >> he always imagine why would someone want to do this. is there any word on motive? >> only thing police are telling us is that they are communicating with limb if mandarin. through an interpreter. police are saying he's been here since 2004.
moving around from location to location. been in brooklyn for about eight it ten days and the one statement he made was that since he's been here, everyone else is doing better than he is. >> interesting. >> yeah, sad. thank you. >> active volcano putting on a brilliant show. but first, this. in an emergency room where seconds count, training is vital. doctors and nurses can simulate real live situations, using high-tech dummies to save lives. here is cnn's brooke baldwin. >> reporter: the sights and sounds of an emergency room. >> how you feeling. >> reporter: trauma doctors be trained to handle. but this is not an average work day. >> i nod idea this would be that intense. >> reporter: the trauma team is
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spectacular video as europe's tallest active volcano puts on an extraordinary show. mt. etna spewing into the sky over sicily. this is how the latest eruption looks to folks in a nearby city. red lava. lots of black smoke. erupting lots of multiple times just this year. >> people are honkering down for what could be the worst storm in a decade. storm packing hurricane force winds is sweeping across the uk and heading towards london. the storm is expected to be at its worst tonight and during the overnight hours. biggest concerns are torrential flooding. we will go to england in the next few hours. stay tune ford that. when hurricane sandy veered towards new york, there was not an official warning. we have more behind the mixed message. >> reporter: for the people who lived through it, hurricane sandy was a nightmare.
for emergency managers,ler cane sandy was a mess. >> director rick nab says next time there won't be aly lema. why requires at looking what the happened. forecasters new sandy was morphing, becoming a super storm. while it had hurricane force winds and pushed that wall of water storm surge towards the coastline. by the time it made land fall, it wouldn't be a hurricane, technically. >> of all the disasters we deal with, hurricanes are the ones we map and try to figure out who is at risk and get the messaging out there for them to evacuate with time to leave. >> reporter: but the message may have been missed. there wasn't a hurricane warning because again, technically, sandy wasn't one. to not misrepresent the storm, the naingsal weather service decided to go with high wind and
flood warnings. >> there is no doubt the phrase hurricane warning is more attention-getting. >> reporter: it is impossible to know if the words hurricane warning, would have saved lives. there are other changes coming too. part of an ongoing process in the works even before san day. evacuation zones are changing from maine to texas. because hurricane forecasters and researchers have a better understanding than they did a de decade ago. >> they produce more surge so we redid our modeling which meant that everybody tod update their evacuation zones. >> another new model will make it easier for people to look at and evaluate their storm surge. all of these new tools are
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he was thrown out but ruled safe because he tripped over the boston player. did the umpire make the right call? >> don, this was definitely the right call and for those who are baseball challenged out there, look, don't feel bad this is one of those rules you need a magnifying glass for the rule book. if you are a fielder, you are not allowed to interfere with a base runner trying to get to the next base. normally you see this play happen or called when a guy is trying to break up a double play. trying to scramble up to go to third base. you never see this call at third base with a guy trying to come home buecause it never happens.
you never see this in a game-winning situation and you never see this in the world series because it never happens. that's why this so unbelievable. >> well, it did happen. now i understand it. i get it now. i thought all is fair. you know what i mean? but this is basically interference. you can't interfere with a player. like blocking. >> yes. >> okay. i get it. you explained it adeptly. this player is known for another high profile incident, though. remind us about that. >> unfortunately, this guy is jim joyce. major league umpire for 16 years. it goes back to the summer of 2010 in detroit when he called a runner safe at first base when a runner was out. what that did was it cost the detroit pitcher at the time a perfect game. now, of that was done, jim joyce
cried like a baby because he blew it. this is what is amazing. prior it that play, jim joyce was voted in a poll of baseball players as the top umpire in major league baseball. now he can't get away from controversy. isn't that how it happens, sometimes? >> yeah. when you quote kroernlts, it kind of happens. >> let's talk about the nfl now. rams lost their quarterback to injury last sunday. a few days later we hear they called a future hall of famer brett favre. favre has a radio interview and says he is having memory problems, possibly from concussions. will this put a whole new face on the discussion we've been having for years now? building and building each year. but nfl player health and concussions? >> no question. this is hung huge. i tell what you, don.
the dirty little secret, throughout football, not just nfl, you have guys out there not playing hurt as much as they used to because of concussion talk. you look at brett favre. brett favre is poster boy for playing without concussion. 20 consecutive seasons without missing a game. sacked 500 times. which is crazy. and this is crazy. because now the same brett favre says he can't remember an entire summer that one of his daughters played soccer. this is going to have a lasting effect and ramifications forever in the national football league and beyond. >> wow. that is sad. you think about that and dementia and alzheimer's. not being able to remember huge chunks of your life. what does it say, though, about the state of nfl quarter backs that rams feel like they should try to talk brett favre into coming out of retirement. and let's get -- brett favre is a young man relatively, but not in sports.
>> at 44, an old guy. one thing is, you have all these injuries taking place in the national football league. primarily because you have a lot of read option type situations going on in offenses and starting -- going into today's game for instance, you have 11 teams that started their back-up quarterback at least once. but the other thing is this. outside of the big six or seven quarter backs, let's face it. there aren't that many good quarter backs out there. you and i probably could be a third string quarterback for a lot of these nfl teams. >> speak for yourself. >> you look like you're in pretty good shape. >> maybe a relay runner. but i've had enough head injuries too. so thank you. appreciate it, terrence. good to talk to you. i'm don lemon. "newsroom" begins right now.