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>> the former president also had a gift for leno. take a look. it is a painting he did himself of the comedian. former president has taken up painting since leaving the white house. i'm brooke baldwin. such a pleasure bringing you the news today from the nation's capitol. now we go to jake tapper, "the lead" starts right now. are we as a society prepared to accept, sorry, there's no room at the end, from mental health facilities? i'm jake tapper, this is "the lead." the national lead, a virginia newspaper says he was turned away after a mental health evaluation on monday. and by tuesday, he was dead. and police say the nearly took his politician father along with him. were all the possibilities really explored to get gus deeds help? and what does it mean to you? the politics lead. a congressman busted with cocaine. he says he's sorry and getting help. wait until you hear how he got caught. and also in national news, a lot of us were surprised to learn that former president bush is a
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painter, including his own family. but his latest portrait shows he's definitely putting the practice in. are we witnessing the artistic flowering of our 34rd president? good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the leader." i'm jake tapper. we'll begin with the national lead. we've been saying too long that the mental health system in america is not working and there's a body count result. victims in aurora, newtown, and at l.a.x. and it's happened again. virginia's former democratic candidate for governor and current state senator creigh deeds is now listed in good condition after he was stabbed repeatedly on tuesday in the head and torso. his son, however, 24-year-old austin "gus" deeds is dead from a gunshot wound. as the reports came in, it was hard not to get that sinking feeling, which police later backed up with their own theory that gus deeds likely stabbed his own father and then shot himself. on monday, they gave gus deeds a
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mental health evaluation under an emergency custody order, but he was turned away because no psychiatric bed was available for him. today, however, "the washington post" says three hospitals had room within an hour's drive from where gus deeds was evaluated. two of those hospitals told the paper they were never called. a third wasn't sure. the treatment advocacy center says the number of psychiatric beds decreased by 14% nationwide between 2005 and 2010. in virginia, there are nearly 18 psychiatric beds for every 100,000 people. and that's actually above average, according to theed a vocati advocacy center. i want to bring in republican tim murphy, a psychologist who's calling to reforms from the national health care system. congressman, thanks so much for being here. you took to the house floor, and why you didn't mention gus deeds by name, you seemed to allude him in your remarks. who is to blame for him not getting the help he needs? this all seems like it could have been avoided. >> we have a long list of blame
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here, it goes to the federal, state, and local level. on the federal level, there's been a bush from some agencies who have actually reduced the number of hospital beds. >> reduced? >> reduceded the number of hospital beds and reduced a mandatory outpatient treatment as well. federal dollars paying agencies to advocate to reduce that. >> why, to save money? >> back in the '50s, we had half a million hospital beds and now we have 40,000. and even though you listed virginia as having around 20, 22, that is still listed in the serious area, because we need about 50 beds per 100,000 population. when medications came out in the 1950s, we found a lot of people in hospitals really didn't need to be there. they could be successful outside in the community. that was fine. but what happened was, there was such a push to reduce them that now we've gone too far. states have also cut their budgets for the mentally ill and local communities just have drastic shortnesses. they can't deal with this. so what happens is, when someone has a mental illness and they're a danger to themselves or
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someone else, that very important criteria, they can be tamed a little bit in a hospital, but then a judge or a magistrate needs to say, you need care, if a bed is available in virginia and some other states will have that same type of caveat as well. >> and there's no requirement that they call around -- because it seems to me the most difficult part of this whole process is getting somebody in the hospital, because he or she is a threat to himself or herself or others. that is the toughest part. once you're in there, i would think that it would be -- it should at least be okay, now he's here, we have him under surveillance, we're watching him, paying attention to him, we can put him in the hospital. but you're saying that's actually not necessarily the only hurdle. >> a very, very important point, that is, what hospital personnel in any sense safe? remember the story of aaron alexis, and they took him to a involvement hospital and the police saw him? the question in any one of these cases, you can go through the 60 plus major shootings there have been by someone who's majorly or
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mentally ill, when they were brought to the hospital, did someone see them as a threat to themselves or other people? we've heard many people where a parent has to go to the hpital and lie. that is, they have to lie and say, my child tried to kill me or my child threatened to kill me. without that danger, there's no reason the hospital personnel or magistrate will hold them. they'll say, look, he hasn't threatened anybody. i don't see evidence here of harm. you have to let minimum go. and parents, many times, can't even talk to the hospital. another federal law, the hipaa laws will say, doctors can't communicate with parents if the child is over 18 in most states, or in pennsylvania, over 14. >> so you're suggesting we've bent over too much in the name of civil liberties and not enough in the name of care and preserving a safe society? >> that's right. we've gone so far, we've forgot compassion to help those who are ill. keep this in mind. of the severely mentally ill, about half of them have something where they don't even recognize they have a problem. patients that i see now in my work, that i do in the navy, some of them are not even aware
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of their hallucinations or their psychosis or the fact that they have a serious problem, or ptsd, which i know you're deeply concerned about too. so therefore, that patient is not necessarily going to sign themselves into a hospital. but what happens also is you can have a student who's out of school, look at the virginia tech shooter and others, where the school may say, gee, we recognize this young man or woman has a serious problem. they're not allowed to talk with the parent. so the parent, who if they knew that could say, we've put these pieces together with other things, we could get that person in care. but what we don't know is what were the other pieces that were left out? >> and i know you're introducing legislation about this in a few weeks, we'll have you back and talk about the legislation. thank you so much, congressman murphy of pennsylvania. appreciate it. in politics, it was a sting operation set up by the fbi and the drug enforcement agency and the target was a united states congressman. 34-year-old trey radel was busted for buying 3 1/2 grams of cocaine from an undercover officer three weeks ago.
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he pleaded guilty to the charges and us with sentenced today to a year of probation. in a statement, the freshman lawmaker apologized to his family and constituents and admitted he has a problem. he writes, quote, i struggle with the disease of alcoholism and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice, as the father of a young son and a husband to a loving wife, i need to get help, so i can be a better man for both of them. let's bring in cnn justice reporter who has some new details on how this operation went down. evan, what have you learned about this sting investigation? >> this is an investigation that began several months ago. the d.a. -- >> just of this congressman? >> no, this was a d.a. and fbi investigation several months ago into a cocaine ring that apparently was supplying the d.c. area. and in the course of the investigation, they talked to a dealer who, in trying to make -- trying to figure out how to get a leniency from the agents or from the investigators, said, well, i have a congressman who's a, who is one of my customers. so they decided to set up a sting operation, which went down
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on october 29th in dupont circle, at this restaurant, well-known restaurant called e circa. and at this restaurant, he meets with the dealer and an undercover person from the investigation, who then take him to a car and sell him 3.5 grams of cocaine, which is known as an eight-ball. >> that's a good amount. this was a few weeks ago, how come we only learned about it yesterday? >> the investigation was ongoing. apparently they took him back to his house, they confronted him. in between that time, they've been discussing this with the u.s. attorney's office to try to figure out a way to a deal. the attorney general, eric holder, we're told by a source, was briefed on the case, but he didn't do anything to interrupt it or anything like that, which is a very normal course in justice department investigations. >> and the congressman blames his bad choices on alcoholism. how long had he had this relationship with this dealer who sold him the eight-ball? >> well, according to the d.a. and according to the u.s. attorney's office, this has been
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going on for a while. these are people who he knew and he's been seen by these people to be using cocaine. >> so not just one bad choice one day. >> no, he was buying it and sharing it. >> i guess that's what one does with an eight-ball, or so i've read. evan perez, appreciate it. when we come back, did the warren commission ignore a trip that lee harvey oswald took a trip to mexico weeks before the kennedy assassination. you do not have to be an x-files fan to think the truth is out there. what's this about a special present he gave to the president? i will ask him. he'll be our guest, up ahead. my mantra? family first.
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take clinton in small doses. the day started with obama awarding president clinton the presidential honor of freedom, a award created by president kennedy 50 years ago. >> i'm grateful, bill, as well, for the advice and counsel that you've offered me, on and off the golf course. and most importantly for your life-saving work around the world, which represents the very best in america. so thank you so much. >> afterwards, they gathered along with their wives for a more solemn moment, paying tribute to jfk at arlington national cemetery, as we near the 50th anniversary of his assassination. 50 years later, that eternal flame still burns. and the question surrounding kennedy's death still nag. now a new book by a former "new york times" investigative reporter raises serious and credible questions about the warren commission and whether they got it right.
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>> there will forever be questions of substance and detail raised by amateur detectives, professional skeptics, and serious students as well. >> reporter: even walter cronkite in 1964 might not have predicted the level of debate that still surrounds jfk's assassination five decades later. today, forgotten memos, new interview transcripts, and renewed theories ensure that skepticism remains. before he was president, then-congressman gerald ford formed the warren commission. >> reporter: at the time, their dedication was publicly unquestioned by the establishment. >> no investigation could have been more painstaking than that carried out by this commission. >> commission members pored over evidence and heard testimony from 552 witnesses, including a gruesome firsthand account by
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the former first lady, one that only relatively recently came to light. in an interview with warren, jackie kennedy described her last moments with her husband, saying, he put his hand in his forehead and fell in my lap, she was trying to hold his hair on and skull on. the conclusions was that lee harvey oswald acted alone, but many find that flawed. >> my big takeaway is just how much of this story has never been told and how much evidence about the assassination has been destroyed over the years, you know, or covered up. >> in his new book, "a cruel and shocking act," former "new york times" reporter sheehan tries to fill in the gaping omissions. >> there is this whole missing chapter of the history of the kennedy assassination, which is, what was lee harvey oswald doing in mexico city seven weeks before the assassination. and there's a lot of reason to believe that oswald was meeting with people who might well have
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wanted to see president kennedy dead. >> what did you do in russia? >> reporter: so many questions remain. >> it is an astonishing memo that j. edgar hoover writes to the warren commission in june 1964, right in the middle of the warren commission investigation, in which he reveals that the fbi has learned that several weeks before the assassination, oswald, in mexico city, openly declared that he was going to kill president kennedy. what happened to that memo is a big debate among the warren commission staffers, because they never saw it. >> reporter: in the decade since the report was issued, sheehan and many others have been eager to measure the commission's sizable blind spots. at the time, the warren commission was considered beyond reproach, but critics complain nearly all of the members were inexperienced in investigations and many lacked security clearance. so when, say, the cia told them something, they sometimes just had the to take the agency's word for it. >> it was a more innocent time. people didn't know that so much
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would be hidden by these agencies of government. >> reporter: in 1976, post-watergate, congress re-investigated the kennedy assassination. a select committee concluded that the warren commission performed with varying degrees of comp tetenccompetency, that commission failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the president. scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at jfk, the committee concluded. the committee believed that, quote, president john f. kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. the 1976 committee study found that the warren report arrived at its conclusions in good faith, but the fbi failed to investigate any conspiracy and the cia was, quote, deficient in its collection and sharing of information. but decades later, president ford stuck by the president's findings. >> that lee harvey oswald was the assassin and that the commission found no evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or
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domestic. >> according to a recent gallup poll, 61% of americans believe lee harvey oswald did not act alone in dallas 50 years ago. so all you conspiracy theorists, so-called, are in good company. coming up on "the lead," he took a lot of heat for those shower self-portraits, but it looks like president george w. bush would learn a thing or two in the art department. so how much would you pay for a bush original? and a pastor stands by his gay son by performing his marriage ceremony and then was found guilty of violating his church values. so is he sticking with his church? i'll ask him, coming up. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life.
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back back to "the lead." not to sound like a fidelity commercial here, but what have you planned for retirement? take former president george w. bush, for example. there are only so many boat trips, only so many rounds of golf. only so much brush a man can clear before he starts looking inward. and while it may strike some as incongruous that the tough cowboy has become a late in life painter, our john berman contends that maybe we should let history be the ultimate
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judge. >> reporter: da vinci, rembrandt, picasso, bush. >> i do take painting seriously. it's changed my life. >> reporter: the 43rd president of the united states presenting his latest canvas to jay leno. >> did you paint that? look at that! i can't make fun of him now. >> reporter: a marked difference from early period w., which trended towards, um, bathroom self-portraits, which the world learned about through hacked e-mails to the president's sister, dorothy. the critics raved that the paintings -- >> border on the visionary, the on sur absurd, the perverse, the prat boy. >> reporter: maybe rave wasn't exactly the right word, but everyone's a critic, including a fellow former occupant of the white house. >> i seriously considered calling you and asking you to do a portrait of me, until i saw the results of your sister's hacked e-mails. those bathroom sketches are
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wonderful, but at my age, i think i should keep my suit. >> reporter: let it never be said that this man doesn't have a sense of humor. we weren't the only one surprised to find out about the former president's predilection for painting happy little trees. >> now we just add some very, soft, quiet trees. >> so was his brother, jed bush, when we asked him about it in march. >> he's actually become a pretty good painter. >> he is good? >> i would admit this is a surprise to me when i found this out about a year ago and he's doing it with a vengeance. >> reporter: but why painting, why this late in life get in touch with his artistic side? he discussed it with our own john king in april. >> what do you get? >> i get how to relax. i see colors differently. i am, i guess, tapping a part of the brain that, you know, certainly i never used when i was a teenager.
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and i get the satisfaction out of completing a project. and i paint people's pets. >> reporter: former first daughter barbara bush can attest to that. her swanky new york town house, as seen in a recent "vogue" spread, gathers as something of a calorie for her dad's cat period, not to be confused with his dog period. >> look at that, wow, look at that. >> reporter: okay, so you may or may not be eager to hang an original w. over your mantel, but if you're not a fan, perhaps you're just too short sighted to see the genius in his ouvre right now. >> i've read some biographies of washington. my attitude is they're still writing biographies of the first guy, the 43rd guy doesn't need to worry about it. >> the former president has moved on to a new period, according to "the new york times." he wants to paint 19 world
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leaders with whom he worked during his time in the white house. personally looking forward to the one of merkel. while the president's portraits have made him an instant punch line, it turns out that old w t gethe las laugh. joining me live from new york is gary saltz, an art critic from new york. i want to read part of review you wrote earlier this year about the former president's paintings. you referred to ones of him in the shower as, quote, simple and awkward, but in wonderful unself-conscious intense ways, they show someone doing the best he can with almost no natural gifts, except a desire to do this. so you are something of a fan of the effort, if not the execution. >> i love the way of an ex-president making paintings. imagine if we had seen abe lincoln paint himself naked in the bathtub. this is really unusual stuff. and i loved the kind of oddity of it, the extrinsky, the fact
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that this guy is trying to paint this very private world. he paints in the weight room, he paints in the shower. it was kind of weird, and i always thought of him as a gremlin on the wing of america, and then i went into shock, because i actually like some of these paintings. >> now we have the ability to compare his growth, the works he did earlier, with the works he's doing now. how do you, when you look at some of the early ones, the shower period, which we'll call it, how do you compare that, for instance, with the portrait he did of jay leno, which really was not bad. what's the values of these paintings, even if just from a historical standpoint? >> well, first, about the value, i would buy one for a few hundred dollars and donate it to the whitney museum of american art. celebrity heart sometimes costs in the realm of tens of thousands of dollars. silver stallone, frank sinatra, a lot of others. i actually think, however, that the ex-president took a step backwards, honestly, in this
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work, where before he was painting things that the camera could not see the way a camera can't take a picture of heaven or hell. now he's just giving us a much more conventional photographic realism and there's kind of no insight. it's a very typical, generic, skill set and i really wish i could talk to him and say, look, we're not going to see eye to eye on anything, but i can help you. you're no rembrandt, but now you're just becoming a hack, and i don't want any painter to be a hack, even george w. bush. >> you said you would pay a few hundred dollars, but certainly, he couldn't command much more than a few hundred dollars for one of his paintings? >> oh, i'm sure. i mean, as i said, celebrity art can cost a lot. sylvester stallone, as i said, has an exhibition up, a big one, in russia right now, so i don't think -- what the real issue is,
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honestly, is that any american music would be well served to have a paintings by an ex-president. imagine that. seeing into the mind of thomas jefferson or martin van buren, for that matter. >> but you can't anticipate that he would be welcomed warmly into the arms of the art world in new york city? >> i would. if he continues making the better early work, i would love to write about his work, if he would just keep making it. he said the thing that everybody in the art world agrees with. art changed my life. i take painting seriously. again, i sort of went into shock when i heard him say it, but i agree with george w. bush on those two things. >> all right, jerry saltz, thank you so much for juniyour perspective, we appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up in the buried lead, we defied his church to officiate his gay son's wedding.
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. now it's time for the buried leads. these are stories we don't think are getting enough attention. his faith forbid it, but that did not stop a methodist minister from putting his job on the line to officiate at his son's same-sex marriage. that was six years ago. now he's paying the price. pastor frank schaffer of lebanon, pennsylvania, was found guilty by a jury of 13 ordained clergy members on two counts, officiating a same-sex wedding and being disobedient to the discipline and order of the church. he was sentenced to a 30-day suspension and asked by church officials not to officiate anymore gay weddings. but the minister is refusing to make that promise. and pastor frank schaffer joins me now. pastor frank, thanks for being here. when the jury pronounced your
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sentence, your supporters started turning over chairs in the courtroom. >> yes, that was quite the dramatic moment, actually. it was loud and i think some people were scared and they turned around and started looking at what's going on and so then after that, singing -- the singing started, of an old hymn and people joined in and then it turns into a communion service. but he was quite dramatic. and i think it was a statement that the supporters of the lbgt community made that day, a very ng stement that said, we are not okay with this verdict of guilty. >> but, sir, with all due respect, this is what your faith preaches. this is what they think of same-sex marriage and
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homosexuality. what kind find another sect of christianity where your views are more aligned with church teachings? >> that's a good question. but, you know, it's like living in state where same-sex marriage is not allowed. does that mean that if i were a homosexual, does that mean that i leave my state, my surroundings, my neighborhood and leave my friends and my family behind to relocate to a different state, because the laws aren't right and aren't just? and it's the same with the church. you know, i've been a member of this church for 20 years, and my children grew up in this faith, and there are many people in the united methodist church that are lbgt folks or that are supporting lbgt folks. so there's a sizable group, and
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i think this group needs to be heard. and we have to start talking about these things instead of sweeping this issue under the carpet. >> lastly, sir, if you decide to officiate another same-sex marriage, you could be defrocked, not just suspended. would it be worth it to you to take a stand for what you believe is a stand for equality? >> i think it's absolutely worth it. i think we do need to look at this, and i appreciate the attention that this issue got in the media, just because it does pressure the church to take another look at this and to open the discussion. there are different ways in dealing with these things. i mean, homosexual weddings happen all the time, even in the united met methodist church. pastors do them all around the country. not every incident leads to a complaint and to a trial. and i think we need to realize
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that we need to stop bringing these events, these joyful events of same-sex marriages to trials. and i think the bishops in our church have that power, to say, no, you know what, let's not do that. let's deal with this in a different way. let's open the discussion and the dialogue. and o hopefully, at the end of that, there might be a change. >> pastor frank schaefer, thanks and good luck. >> thank you so much. in our money lead, jpmorgan has agreed to pay $13 billion for selling mortgage-backed securities before the financial crisis. the justice department calls it, quote, the largest settlement with a single entity in american history. sounds pretty dramatic. but david dayen, a contributing writer for salon.com, isn't exactly putting this in the win column for the justice department or for justice in general. and he joins us now from los angeles. welcome, david. thanks for being here. and the headline of your column calls this settlement a scam. why?
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>> well, you know, the settlement, first of all, isn't $13 billion. the hfa announced a $4 billion settlement with jpmorgan chase to settle a lawsuit a month ago. and the justice department just, you know, stuck that in to their top line number to make it look bigger. there are various other reasons that are $7 billion is tax deductible in this settlement, which means taxpayers will essentially pay $2.75 billion of settlemen settlement, roughly. a lot of the settlement in consumer relief for homeowners, which sounds all right, but as far as a cash value to jpmorgan chase, it's things they already do or are in their financial interests is to do. so when you get right down to it, you have a $13 billion settlement, allegedly, which is really maybe a $3 billion settlement in the grand scheme of things in terms of the monetary value that jpmorgan chase will actually have to suffer. >> okay, so you don't think it's
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a strong enough penalty in terms of the size of it. but to play devil's advocate, isn't jpmorgan settling in agreeing to pay anything, a win, especially since some of the money is going to help consumers? >> well, i don't think so. i mean, millions of people lost their jobs in the financial crisis. millions more people lost their homes. and what we want to do, if we're going to settle with these companies is make sure it doesn't happen again. and the best and swiftest deterrent is not only a big fine, but prosecution of the people who authorize and directed this conduct. and, of course, we're not seeing that at all. criminal charges are not cleared by this settlement, but, if you want to take a bet with me, on whether or not there are going to be criminal charges for executives out of this settlement, we can make that bet. the bottom line is that jpmorgan chase basically goes on their business and the homeowners who were really affected by this,
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the ones who already lost their home, get nothing. and because of a quirk in the way that principle reduction goes, in this settlement, principle reduction is going to probably be taxes. it's going to be taxable income to the borrowers. so people who think they're getting a nice gift and getting some of their debt forgiven are actually going to be on the hook for a very large tax bill. the people who might hurt most from this settlement are the homeowners who get the principle reduction. >> and lastly, david, part of the settlement is, jpmorgan acknowledges that they, in some cases, lied to investigators or made misrepresentations. isn't that a positive development, an admission of guilt? >> it would be if it was an admission of guilt. they are admitting to a statement, a series of facts that have been laid out. bloomberg's jonathan weill and others believes there is no legal repercussions that could ever come from that document. jpmorgan just last week settled
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with a bunch of institutional investors over this very conduct. and this statement of facts does nothing to help them. it would have been something that would have been nice for it to have come out before they engaged in this settlement. and you might, if you were cynical, want to say that jpmorgan deliberately delayed this settlement from coming out until after they finished with the institutional investors and they wouldn't have to suffer anything from this statement of facts. >> if i were cynical, indeed. thank you so much, david dayen. we appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up next, he's a baseball legend. one who's on a first-name basis with the president. so what was it like for ernie banks today when barack gave him the medal of freedom? and which current player does he think is most like him? mr. sunshine tells me next. plus, it's one of the greatest rock 'n' roll songs ever, and finally, there's an equally amazing music video to go along with it. ♪
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welcome back to "the lead." now it's time for the sports lead. he came into the major leagues with a spirit of positivity and possibility and that unmistakable smile that even gave chicago cubs fans faith. and he continues to blaze a trail that jackie robinson started when he broke baseball's color barrier. ernie banks is a hall of famer, but he never won a world series, never even made the playoffs. but now he has something bigger than even the most blinged out championship ring. today ernie banks was one of the 16 recipients, including president clinton and oprah, of the 2013 presidential medal of freedom. >> in the sweltering heat of a chicago summer, ernie banks walked into the cubs locker room and didn't like what he saw. everybody was sitting around, heads down, depressed, he called. so ernie piped up and said, boy, what a great day.
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let's play two! that's mr. cub. >> and joining us now from the white house east room, it is my pleasure to introduce you to mr. cub hall of famer, ernie banks. mr. banks, thank you so much for being with us. give us your thoughts on this incredible day. >> it was so incredible. i'm just overwhelmed by this day here. to be with all these people, to be with the president, and to have this award passed on to me is certainly a great joy. i mean, it's something i'll never forget. >> you were the cubs' first black player, by way of the legendary kansas city monarchs and the negro leagues, and you dealt with racism. on your way up today, the nation's first african-american president awarded you the presidential medal of freedom. it must be a remarkable moment, not just as an american, but also as a black american. >> that's correct. and what i did today, i'll let you in on a little secret, i presented him with the jackie
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robinson bat. and jackie, as you know, and he was the first black to play in the major league. so my life is, really a happy moment to be with jackie robinson, who was my idol as a player. >> that's incredible. just so you know, i share your feeling on jackie, my son is named after jackie robinson. he is an incredible man. why give -- that must mean more to you than giving the president something of your own, i would think. >> well, it means a lot, i mean, because he's the president, you know. barack is from chicago. i met him here there, he was a senator. and i just feel like i know him. that he's my brother. and the same thing with jackie. i just felt i knew them, as my brother, that i could talk to them, that they could understand what i was saying. and that's what i did today with barack. just talked to him like i've known him for years. >> that's incredible. so president obama alluded to
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this famous remark of yours, but tell us the story of "let's play two." >> well, it's very simple, it was a bad day in chicago and i came into the locker room and i was feeling great. and i said to all my teammates, it's a beautiful day! let's play two! and billy williams and jenkins are here with me today in washington. so we're talking about that. so that was a time in my life that i was really excited about going to wrigley field. we played all day games, we had no lights at wrigley field, and i was just so happy, that's what i said. it's a beautiful day, let's play two. i'll say that today. it's a beautiful day, let's play two. >> and what a great spirit. presidential historian michael
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b b beslosh tweeted a picture today. which major league player in ability and character most reminds ernie banks of ernie banks? >> just good habits. >> is there anyone out there playing today that reminds you of yourself in any way? >> yes, he played in new york and his name is derek jeter. >> oh, really, how did he remind you of yourself? >> he plays shortstop, which i play. he's very into the game. he knows how to play the game. he's very alert. and his main thing, like mine was winning and going home. that was it. winning and going home. that was it. >> last question for you, sir. did you say anything to the president, who's a white sox fan, to try to convert him from the south side to the north side. >> no, i didn't try to -- i just told him, i admire him, because he's like me. i'm loyal to the cubs, he's
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loyal to the white sox. and i said, we're loyal. and he said, yep. we're both loyal to the teams that we follow and we love. >> all right, hall of famer, medal of freedom recipient, ernie banks. thank you, god bless you, congratulations, sir. >> thank you very much. coming up next on "the lead," an undercover sting nabs a television host from animal planet trying to sell engaged animals. stay with us. our pop culture lead is next. ♪
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welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. after the tense back and forth, the u.s. and afghanistan have agreed to a deal that would keep some u.s. troops in the country after the 2014 deadline for american troops to withdraw. at issue was whether troops would be able to enter residential neighborhoods in afghanistan to hunt down suspected terrorists or insurgents. afghan president hamid karzai initially would not budge on the
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plan, saying afghan troops should carry out the raids. but the obama administration played hardball, threatening to cut off billions of dollars in aid. this initial agreement is just a draft that still has to go before the council of afghan tribal leaders for approval. now turning to the pop culture lead. maybe you like the way they move or maybe you just like being told to shake things like a polaroid pictures. the group is rumored to be reuniting. according to billboard magazine, the duo will join forces for next year' coachella. the april festival could possibly kick off a slate of appearances featuring big boy and andre 2,000 across the country. like a rolling stone, it has stood the test of time as one of the greatest rock 'n' roll songs of all time, but only now does it have its own music video, one this is interactive and features cameos from "the price is right" and cast members from the reality show "pawn stars." so bob dylan, when you hear this
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master piece going viral, house does it feel? ♪ once upon a time, do the dance in your prime ♪ ♪ then you >> that might look like a bunch of clips randomly edited together, but the video is actually one that users can control. you can scroll from channel to channel, each of which features different actors mouthing the lyrics to the dylan classic. dylan himself does not show up until the very end. it's a clip of him singing a song at a concert back in the '70s. a former animal planet host now has about as much credibility as tracy morgan's old "snl" character. today donald schultz pleaded guilty to of all things, selling endangered lizards. under a plea deal, schultz admitted to trying to sell the exotic lizards back in 2010. the prospective buyer turned out to be, wait for it, an undercover federal agents. schultz was a host of the discovery tv show "venom hunter" and the animal planet show "wild recon."
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as part of his sentence, he'll have to pay a $6,000 fine and perform 200 hours of community service or 800 in dog years. that's it for "the lead." i'm jake tapper. right now turning you over to wolf blitzer, right next door in "the situation room." mr. blitzer, take it away. >> thank you, jake. happening now, a congressman who dubbed himself a hip hop conservative is guilty after a cocaine bust. did he get off easy? you heard it here. the national security adviser to the president, susan rice, told me yesterday there's no need for the united states to apologize to afghanistan, but will the obama administration find some other way to say "sorry." and it's their first meeting since bill clinton's recent swipe at bobama care. so how much does the president need the former president? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." we'll get to that congressman sentencing here in

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