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selfie seen around the world -- no, now that one, this one with a seemingly unimpressed first lady. the guy who snapped the photo of the photo is setting the record straight. good afternoon. we begin with the politics lead. it may actually pass. the house and senate have until friday to fund the budget for the next two years and avoid the threat of a -- but if it goes through, it will sim blige that our lawmakers can not only get things done but work together to do it. imagine that. the deal was orchestrated by republican representative paul ryan of wisconsin and patty murray of washington. it would set spending levels and reduce the deficit, also replaced some of the forced budget cuts that took place arier this year, but what's catching the ire of the left and right are all the things it won't do. it will not extend unemployment
benefits, something democrats are pushing for, and republicans argue this steers clear of new changes of the programs that are the big drivers of the debt such as medicare. the fact that no one is perfectly happy suggests that maybe, maybe it will get the green light. one party couldn't possibly be seen as letting the other party win. joining me from capitol hill is congressman paul ryan, the man being labeled the grownup in the room who played a major role in working out this compromise. congressman ryan, thanks so much for joining us. you and senator murray have succeeded in coming up with a proposal or other bipartisan duos before you had failed. i know it hasn't passed yet, but you did come up with a compromise. what's the secret. allowing yourself more time to deal with each other? never going to bed angry? what's the advice? >> actually, all of the above. all of those are pretty good pieces of advice the we decided from the outset to talk a lot, get to know each other, keep our emotions in check.
the other thing was we wanted to ensure we didn't demand or insist that the other had to violate a core principles. so we basically took all of our budgets, including the president's an the senate's and overlapped them all, and looked through the prism to see where the common ground existed, then solicited other ideas from our colleagues to see if we could get common ground, add that up and see what that would do with respect to -- the sequester is an across the board approach. we think that's crude. so we wanted in other parts of government, and there's a lot of government that's on autopilot that's not been attended to. that's where we got the additional spending cuts, so basically we came up with $85 billion of savings from what we call mandatory spending to pay for 63 billion of some relief from the sequester. we still keep the fiscal discusses mind, we still keep on track. this will result in more definite at this time reduction,
that's important to me, my republican colleagues. patty got a lot of the things she wanted. neither of us had to give up a core principle to get this. >> speaking of your if republican colleagues. which means -- where you tried to sell this plan, these are the most conservative members. how did that go? what were their concerns? >> it went very well, not only with the rsc, but also the house republican conference this morning. a lot of members were very excited and pleased that we actually have an agreement, that we found a way to make this government work. we would like to make it work. this prevents future government shutdowns from happening, and what a lot of my colleagues were pleased with is that we're taking the power of the purse and bringing it back to congress. when we pass these continuing resolutions every year like we've done. we're basically ceding the law-making powers to the
executive branch. and we're re-claiming that. that allowing congress to prioritize spending something we haven't done for like three years around here. the fact that we have excessive savings, which results in net deficit reduction and there isn't a single tax increase in this is what mace most of our members pleased. >> still criticism, it doesn't sound like mvp mcconnell will support this. will you ultimately have the votes? >> we will. we're in the majority. we have to govern, just like patty murray is in the majority, and she has to govern. you can't get everything you want, but you can get things done if you focus on the common ground area. i'm not going to begrudge anyone who for one reason or another chooses not to vote, these are not perfect, but we have laid out our vision very clearly. the budget which balances the budget and pays off the debt, is
our vision. but we know in a divided government we're not going to get that, so the question we are asking is can we get a step in the right direction? i clearly think it is a step in the right direction. i want to go farther in that right direction, but i think this is a step, and that's why i think it's important we do this, and also to show that we can make this government work a bit. >> when you talk about wanting to go farther, a lot of the critics out there, a lot of conservative groups saw this killings the tough decisions down the road. i don't think you would dispute that necessarily. that are causal the national -- does your having worked with patty murray give you any confidence that those big decisions that would probably necessitate both of you 1r50i89ing core principles, that there's any solution there to be had? >> you know, i'm going to focus on this here, getting this done, making this congress work. the reason sill hesitate to even
speculate is the president and the senate democrats have never once ever proposed to balance the budget, let alone reduce the debt. our budget does balance the budget, and pays off the debt ultimately. we are so far apart on that issue, you have to deal with entitlements, like medicare, medicaid that are primary drives of our debt, let alone obama care. you have to take those on, refusal those programs in order to prevent a debt crisis. we've shown in our budget exactly how we would propose to do that, but we simply do not have much interested to do that. you can't tax your way out of this fiscal problem. you have to reform entitlements. we've offered entitlement reforms in these negotiations. there just doesn't seem to be much take-up and interest in that. i don't want to make that to spoil this moment, which is just getting us to common ground and getting this government working. >> sorry to be such a spoiler.
>> thanks, jake. >> that's kind of my role. let me ask you about criticism from the left. many democrats are baulking, because it doesn't include extending unemployment benefits. why not include it? >> well, there are a lot of things that people wanted. they wanted farm bill things in they're. they wanted stimulus spending in here, they wanted a tax increase, but there were a lot of things that we just weren't going to do. and we're.ing an agreement that we can agree to. there was no offset requested for that. that was $20 bill chron that would have shot a hole through our deficit reduction. there are a lot of things not in this graeme that people wanted, and that is the way that compromise and common ground work. >> it does not include closing a single tax loophole, yet would increase tsa fees that all americans say. how would you respond to a critic the nbc time you're having a town hall in wisconsin that says, why are you in favor that what is, by any other name
a tax increase? >> it's not a tax, a user fee. >> well, you can call it whatever you want, but pretend i'm being joe blow in wisconsin, you're making me pay more at the tsa. >> i'm in a town hall meeting. before 9/11, the person getting on an airplane paid for all of their security when they paid for their ticket. they covered all of it. since 9/11, that person is paying for less than 40% of their security, and then the non-flying public is subsidizing the rest of it. we think the user to pay for the services they're using instead of making a hard-working taxpayer that never uses those services paying for it. here's what the fee does. it says if you have a connecting flight, you pay $5, a direct flight, $2.50. we're saying do 5 across the board, and then there was a tox on airlines distributed in a very strange way, not treating them the same. we got rid of that tax, and
that's added to the fees, so it's $5.60, whether you're connecting or flying direct. and it helps defray the costs of security. even with this, jake, that general fund taxpayer who never gets on an airport is still subsidizing that person. >> if i'm a wisconsin-ite, i'll take that, because i only have one further question. that is that it's obviously easier to say no and criticize a deal like this than it is to say yes, but are you at all concerned that this deal could hurt you with grass-roots republicans should you ever need grass-roots republicans to support you in the future? >> people ask me that kind of question all the time. gosh, if you compromise, isn't that going to hurt your personality political career? if i think like that, we're going to get nothing done. i was elected to solve problems here. i'm the chairman of the budget committee, so my -- if i cloud my judgment but what is good for
me political or how does it help me juxtapose against somebody else? that's just not right in my opinion. i'm going to do what i think is right, what the people in wisconsin asked me to do, and i'm not going to let my personal political consideration down the road cloud that judgment. i don't think that's right. with the future, i'll let the chips fall where they may and i'll sleep very well. >> i hope you, your wife and your beautiful children have a wonderful holiday season. >> thanks, jake. he helped former boyfriends post racy pictures, then demanded hundreds of dollars from the women to take the photos down. how did the so-called man behind the so-called revenge porn website get away with it so long. he still came out on top form the inside coop on why pope francis was chosen as "time" magazine's person of the year. that's coming up. every day we're working to be an even better company - and to keep our commitments. and we've made a big commitment to america.
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the 27 years old is accused of running a revenge porn website, demanding the victims whose pictures are posted pay him. he's facing 31 counts of -- revenge porn is basically when a scorned love posts racy pictures of an ex online, usually something they got through sexing, but earlier this year, california passed a law making revenge poorn are porn illeigh. her daughter's photo appeared after she says their computer got hacked. she says it took a relentless campaign to get the pictures removed, but it spurred her to take up a cause. give us some back growled on
what happened with your daughter? >> my daughter had taken some photos in the mirror, alone in her room, and sent them from her cell phone to her e-mail to her computer and she was hacked three months later. nine days after that, her topless photo ended up on a revenge porn website. that's how it all goat started. that's the first time i heard about revenge porn. >> you've been called the erin brock on vich of revenge porn. what's been the most difficult obstacle you faced during this fight? >> well, getting the photo down was extremely difficult, because the website operator didn't want to comply with copyright law, even though we served him with a takedown notice, he didn't want to comply with the law. so i had to go through so many ma thufrs no try to get it removed. i reached out to victims all over the country to help them get them removed. it ended up being a huge ordeal.
they website operators are afraid of law enforcement. that's why criminal laws are so important to put them in place. with civil law, most of these website operators don't have assets, they're not afraid that a victim is going to sue them, because it's going to cost the victim $60,000 to bring a lawsuit to fruition and they're probably not going to get any money on the other end of the deal. plus they have to have their names linked with the lawsuit, which means they're going to be livened to the nude pictures, which is exactly what the victims don't want to have happen. >> what's your response to what the attorney general in california did today? >> i'm encouraged. i'm so happy that law enforcement is taking this seriously. it sends a message to these other website owners and to those who may submit photos of victims, and so it's really encouraging. i'm also happy that the fbi was able to take the case that i took to them about my daughter and about all the other victims who are hacked.
that case is still open, and i'm really hoping that down the road there would be some sort of arrest with respect to that case. i want you to listen to what the founder of wub site you targeted had to say during an interview with abc when he was asked if he feels bad about what he does. >> i mean, to me, i don't know these people and it's kind of anonymous to me. i think the people submitting it are the ones who should be, you know, feeling bad when they click that submit button. >> given what your daughter went through, what would you say in response? ivities i think he is just as guilty as those who submitted photos, what hunter mary wasn't to do is high behind, the biggest barrier to holding the website operators responsible. that's why a federal law is needed, because there's no state law that is going to be able to trump the communications decency act. so, in other words, you can never hold a website operator responsible unless you put a
federal law in place. that's why for the last few months i've been pushing barbara boxer's office to move forward with some sort of federal law. she says she is looking at california, she wants to see what happened with the amendment, and we are bringing an amendment forth in about a week. senator pa necessarilia in california will announce that amendment, which is very strong, and she wants to see what happens with that before she makes a final decision. >> senator barbara boxer on the spoke the spot charlotte laws, thank you for being with us. coming up on the lead. the first lady looking less than amused, but the man who took that picture says that's not the whole picture. he joins me next. >> when you think the marijuana, you think of -- not a $7 million start-up, but added a former d.e.a. agent. we'll talk about the new gig in legalized weed.
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welcome back to "the lead." president obama gave what some observers say was one of his most stirring speeches tuesday when he honored nelson mandela, waxing eloquent about how he irspine his journey to the oval office. >> while i will always fall short of my deepest example, --s example, he wants me to be a better man. somehow the gravitas got drowned out. the focus for the media somehow became this. the president hamming it up and taking a selfie of himself with david cameron and danish prime minister but we wondered, do
those pictures tell 1,000 lies? joining me on the phone from south africa is the photographer who took the shots. rho bebto schmidt. a lot has been made -- mrs. obama looks rather solemn while her husband is snapping the selfie. is that what you saw? >> she was, you know, talking with cameron, and with the danish prime minister. they were all together in a group and they were talking. michelle obama just minutes before this happened was having a long conversation with cameron, but they were talking with cameron all in a group. so, yeah, the fact that she's kind of looking furious in the picture, i think she just wasn't involved with that moment, but i don't think it says more than anything -- >> but she wasn't furious based on what you saw. she was in a good mood, the camera just caught her and give a misleading impression? >> absolutely. i really think, you know, what
people are making out of her reaction is just misleading, absolutely. but listen, i don't know whether she was serious, mad, jealous or whatever, that's a question that you guys maybe should ask her. i cannot say. >> right, of course. sudden wrote an entry on the afp's behind the news blog about the controversy. you said -- i didn't see anything shocking in my viewfinder. i thought the world leaders were simply acting like human beings of. the 500-something photos, and the thousands more posted, why do you think this pictures and ones like it are drawing so much attention? >> i think it's because we never get to see them in such light. nowadays, access is so controlled that we just don't see that, which i think is a shame. i think if we had more access to them, and showed they want more as humans, which they are, then
maybe, you know, images like this wouldn't be so shocking or so entertaining or so -- they wouldn't make such a big buzz. >> that's actually a big debate going on here in the u.s., the white house photographers objecting to the white house not letting them into events and instead using their own photographer almost as a substitute in many instances. it's a big point of contention. basically you're arguing if they did less of that, maybe a picture like this wouldn't have become as big a deal. >> i completely agree. i know that the white house photographer was there. i don't know, i don't see the white house distributing a picture of them taking a selfie. i'm sure he has it, but i don't see the white house distributing it. i don't think they would, either. >> roberto schmidt, that i you so much, we appreciate it. >> no problem, jake. let's check in on our
political panel in the greenroom. guys, guys -- >> get in, get in iismtsds this isn't time for a panel selfie. i have very important political observations to make with you. >> jake, we're trying to capture a moment here. it's not always about you. >> guys, do you think that -- the history trip. some in the white house seem to think so. stay with us you. we'll be right back. ♪
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clues. i can't really tell. between the ongoing conversations do they have a point? host of "the washington post" in play, jackie kucinich, host of "crossfire's" s.e.cupp, and matt miller. s.e.? >> i'm happy to join in. poor guy, and i don't say that often oy lightly, but poor guy. first of all, he gives a decent speech and it aired at like 6:00 in the morning, when no one was watching it here. then all of the news about the handshake, and the selfie, he's trying to move past this news cycle. i think frankly americans don't have an appetite for anything deeper right now than a selfie and a handshake discussion. americans don't. they're waiting for the holidays, wait until then.
>> but they switched seats aft. one of photos showed that they had moved them in between. >> et tu, matthew? i do think the handshake is potential important. there's been reporting that it wasn't just out of nowhere, and this is representative of potential a thaw between cuba and the united states. >> and there was some substantive conversation about u.s./cuban relations after it happened. but there was, some discussion.
is he is beat up he has nowhere else to go? who knows? >> you would think. you'd think that, but you know, it depends on how the obama carrollout continues. i think the economy -- the jobless rate is going down, the economy is getting better, yet obama care is his biggest achievement, but yet the biggest albatross around his neck. >> if you flash forward to the -- i think by the time you get to the end of january, and the entire country tunes in, we
screwed up at the launch, and got now it could be a million people. a lot more folks, i think it will turn the store around. >> but it's hinged on that. >> how much do you think his success rises or falls. >> as obama care goes, so goes the president is. i know republicans t. unless we put our foot in our mouths, which is a safe bet, republicans are hoping to run on obama care for the entire year. i think it will be interesting to see how many democrats try to run on that or try to wriggle away from it. >> let me play some sound from house speaker john boehner after the budget deal was introduced last night. boehner was asked about the fact there were conservative groups out there criticizing the deal. here as what the speak had to say. >> you immune the groups that came out and opposed it before they ever saw it?
>> yes, those groups. >> they're using our members and using the american people for their own goals. this is ridiculous. >> that was a moment of reality. >> that is some strong stuff. now, i know thes establishment republicans are annoyed with the groups trying to pick off their incumbent members, but what is this indicative of, that outburst, day i say, from the speaker? >> i think the speaker knows that conservatives do well when they run against obama care. if they're advocating for although shutdown, they don't get to run against -- there's some split on the left as well. democracy america sent out an e-mail begging democrats not to pass it, because it didn't go far enough to the left, but democracy for america hasn't stirred thing up along the way as the republican -- someone had to speak out against these grips and take that stand, because they're going to keep going and
picking off members for -- john boehner can't do anything right with these groups, so there had to come a time where he had to push back forcefully. >> this is all really small ball. daniel patrick moynihan used to talk did -- we -- this is 15dly the best we can do. whether you're a ryanesque time, the spending cuts he was trying to tap earlier on the show, they're like a fraction of 1% of 40 trillion federal spending over the next ten years, and no one is doing anything about the jobs gap. so there is a potential concession on left and right. >> final word, s.e.? >> merry christmas to everyone. >> all right. s.e. cupp, thank you so much.
that was an unexpected -- >> i'm in a good mood. >> how does a guy who helped put drug dealers behind bars go to being in the weed business himself? i'll ask him next. he's also apparently a fraud. how did he get such a high-level gig, when he's been caught doing the same thing before? there's a saying around here, you stand behind what you say. around here you don't make excuses. you make commitments. and when you can't live up to them, you own up, and make it right. some people think the kind of accountability that thrives on so many streets in this country has gone missing in the places where it's needed most. but i know you'll still find it when you know where to look.
welcome back. he made his living fighting what used to be called the war on drugs, but patrick mowen decided it was time for a radical change. how does he go from a d.e.a. supervisor to a new hire at a private equity firm whose entire business is based on marijuana. he's kind enough to join me from seattle to explain. patrick, thanks for being here. explain about what you did at the d.e.a. and what your new job
is like as director of compliance and senior counsel. >> sure, i spent over 15 years in law enforcement, ten years with d.e.a. i worked primary on targeting large-scale drug trafficking organization, moving heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, et cetera, now at privateer holders, i'll be acting as in-house attorney. >> and making sure that privateer adhere to state law, but not presumably federal law, because marijuana is still illegal federally, right? >> right. we're operating in an obviously complicated legal area here. what our business is focused on right now is investing and managing businesses that support the cannabis industry. for instance, with you operate
like a yelp of cannabis review, and we just established an enterprise called arbor main that will run business parks in washington state for cannabis production. obviously it's an emerging industry, and as we transition from a black market to a legal market, we're kind of having to make it up as we go along, but doing it in a way that's ensuring professionalism, legitimacy and transparency. >> when you were a d.e.a. agent and fighting drugs and the importation, the selling of narcotics, did you think that marijuana shouldn't have been included on the list? >> well, there came a point in time in my career when i realized that targeting marijuana was not an effective use of our resources. the reality is myself and most
of my colleagues had always subconsciously prioritized the drugs that we felt were causing the most harm to society. we're talking about cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, and that marijuana was just not an effective use of our resources. >> how do your old d.e.a. buddies feel about your new career? >> i have to be honest, the response has been overwhelmingly positive. >> that's surprisably. obviously d.e.a. individuals take the war on drugs very seriously. i understand that you didn't think it should be a high priority, but you never told me you thought it should be legal. how do you justify it and why do you think you're getting such a positive response from your former colleagues? >> well, i have the utmost respect for all my colleagues. i had a very fulfilling career there. they're doing very difficult, dangerous and thankless work. the reality is they're focusing
on the hard drugs, but d.e.a. agents are just a subset of the american population as a whole. 58% of americans believe that cannabis should be legal, and i'm one of them. >> in august, the white house announced the federal government will not interfere with state marijuana laws. have you smoked marijuana since leaving d.e.a.? >> i'm going to politely decline to answer that question, but i will say this -- adult responsible use of marijuana is a decision that every individual adult should make for themselves. >> patrick moen, thank you for joining us and telling us your interesting story. >> thank you. today authorities arrested senator lamar alexander's chief of staff. he's accused of having and distributing child pornography. post office inspectors raided his home today. he's been the republican's top
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embracing a severely disfigured man in st. peter's square, and stirring up controversy about how much he's open to change. he told reporters back in july if someone is gay, searching for the lord, who am i to judge? those sorts of efforts have made him "time" magazine's person of the year. michael crowley tells you how the pope landed the cover. we should mention, of course it is "time" magazine is part of our time warner family. the vatican has issued a response to your decision saying, quote -- it is pleasing to the pope that this service should appeal and give hope to women and men. why pick the pope? >> he is a sensation. people love this pope. he didn't just come into the job and fill the other guy's seat and keep it warm.
he hasn't changed doctrine, but changed the tone in dramatic and surprising ways. he has shown a kind of accessibility and humility that has surprised people. i think his message, again, aa tonal thing has caused people to listen again to the church's doctrine. particularly after a period when the church has had some bad moments, some bad pr, and people are tuning back in, hearings surprising things, and they love him. i'm not going to begrudge the pope, but isn't person of the year supposed to be the person who influenced the world. >> it's a person who has broad influence, who as consequential, a newsmaker. there's not a scientific formula to explain it. >> here's my thing about the person of the year. i understand it, you guys have to sell magazines, but i think empirically looking at the year, bashar al assad or edward
snowden changed events more tangibly than the pope has done in his short time as the head of the vatican ands guys don't pick bad guys. not since '79. when you picked giuliani in 2001, instead of bin laden, i understood the decision, but bin laden changed the world more than giuliani. don't you think this is about marketing? i mean, certainly you can sell magazines easier with the pope's face on the cover. >> look, jake, there are 1.2 billion catholics in the world. >> marketing, my point. >> so when you talk about influence, the number of lives that someone has touched, this guy has enormous reach, enormously influential and consequential. there's a winner and four
runner-ups profiled. it's not an easy decision. it wouldn't be fun if it was an easy decision. part of the fun is the debail we're having now so this is the decision we came down with the you can make strong indications with the others. you have the short list, and miley cyrus was on the short list? >> i mean, can you name ten people you talked about more than miley cyrus or we sort of culturally in america talk about more? she definitely would be high on any list. you may not agree with the reasons, but she's someone who is debated everywhere from kind of tv magazines, to the pages of "new york times." >> how do you come up with the topic? how dos come up with the top ten
list? >> not random. there's no science behind there. there's no algorithm, no perfect around. we solicit huge amounts of feedback, former people of the year, we have an online poll, but ultimately it's the judgment of the senior editors. let's put 2012, president obama, 2011, the protester, 2010, mark zuckerberg, 2009 ben bernanke, 2008 barack obama. i just wonder like, if you thinks as we get closer to the 2027 issue, the 100 years, if constantly picking people that everybody likes and everybody will buy a magazine will -- >> i challenge that everybody likes all those people.
president obama, ben bernanke -- >> fair enough, but more mainstream choices. i've got to go. thank you michael. i appreciate you coming in, and i hope the magazine sells a lot. and this guy, the still to be identified man seen here standing next to president obama. he was supposed to be interpreting for the deaf people in attendance, or watching around the globe. one problem, none of what he's doing apparently means anything. sign language experts say these signals don't translane in any of the world's nose 6,909 distinct languages, though oddly rim necessariant of something we recall. ♪ >> maybe he was trying to tell us to steal third. >> the deaf federation says told
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