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people employed by the very powerful fox news channel. >> bam. now that that is cleared up we can get back to more issues. whether santa is a democrat or republican. i will let someone else hash that out and say merry christmas to all and to all a good night. thanks for watching. "the 11th hour" by don lemmon starts now. you're looking live at atlanta where right this second the numbers are being drawn for the megamillions jackpot. $636 million. it's the second largest prize in u.s. history. people across the country are waiting to hear. and we'll have the winning numbers for you. here's my teticket. it's 11:00 in the east. i'm don lemon. this is "the 11th hour." what you'll all be talking about tomorrow. one thing people will be talking about, words, for bidden words. are there some words you just can't say at any time to anybody? the n word, the f word? what about fat? what about fat? what can we say and who decides?
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-- captions by vitac -- first breaking news. a moment a lot of people had been waiting for. richard quest live down in atlanta for us. richard, are the numbers being drawn yet? >> reporter: yes, good evening from atlanta. from the television station just outside wsb. this is the place where they've been drawing the numbers. and i was wrigting them down. i'm going to call them out to you, don. my producer has also been writing. if i get them wrong i'll probably get fired. this is the way i heard. 8, 20, 14, 17, 39, and 7. so they were the first five plus the sixth number. 8, 20, 14, 17, 39 and 7.
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you know what of course i'm doing. much as i'd like to talk to you about all of this, frankly i've got to work out if i really need to bother turning up to work tomorrow. i'll check them in a moment. >> i think i know the answer to that, richard. because there's like a 1 billion to 1 chance of anybody winning this. >> no, come on. i've got more statistics i can give you. 1 in 250 million chance of winning. basically i've got more odds, more chance of dying by getting flesh-eating bacteria. i've also got -- it's true. i also have more chance of dying by hitting while psyching getting hit by an asteroid. but if those tickets are right tonight and i choose to take the cash option, i will get about $340 million before taxes. uncle sam has to have his share.
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if nobody wins tonight and there's been no winner of the jackpot since mid october, if nobody wins tonight then the jackpot rolls over christmas eve to a cool $950 million minimum. which probably, bearing in mind tickets have been selling at half a million a minute, will go to $1 billion. >> you sound a lot like austin powers when you say that. million dollars. so listen, the smartest thing that you can do tonight, let's say there is a winner, they're watching cnn, what's the smartest thing that you can do tonight after you pick yourself up off the floor? >> reporter: right. so if one of your tickets is the winning ticket, the first thing you need to do is make sure you look after it very safely. then tomorrow you need to claim it. if it's the number one ticket, i assure you there will be advisers coming out the woodwork. the megamillions people will provide bankers, advisers, all
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sorts of consultants to help you in those first few days. and if you have one, $636 million tonight, then expect to be able to pay you the money within three to five days. but here's the real point. anybody watching, do not rip your ticket up now just because you haven't won the big one. there are several million prizes. and do you know, don lemon, do you know, sir, that $800 million a year is not claimed in lottery prizes in the united states each year? >> yeah. no, i did not know that. but i can't imagine. richard quest, i think everyone here -- i'm looking around the studio. everyone is still here. so i don't think anyone won. you're still on television, so i don't think your camera person won nor your producers. thank you, richard quest. wins numbers, 8, 20, 14, 17, 39 and 7. richard didn't win. see you later. too bad so sad. >> i didn't get a number. i didn't get any numbers.
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>> i didn't, either. we'll see you soon. no matter how much money you have, even if you just won $636 million -- if you did by the way call me -- you can't just do or say whatever you want. folks, even though the n word has been said countless times today all across this country it's extremely offensive to a whole lot of people. maybe you're one of them. i want to warn you you're going to hear that word several times in this broadcast and more words as well. because in order to have an honest conversation about words, and what they mean, we have to say what we mean. miguel marquez has that for you. >> well planned i believe they could be strong. >> three can't go against a whole group. the rest here are niggers, born and bred slaves. >> 12 years a slave, a story of our history and the extraordinary real life of solomon northup. the n word used throughout the
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book and film. doesn't carry near the weight or steam it does today. >> what i've done here is marked all the instances where the n word is used by him. it's used in different ways. >> part of this story is looking back on the whole history of slavery. and i think in 2013, even though most individuals know and believe sha sheriffry waslavery system, we don't understand the system. we don't understand where the attitudes came from and how the system evolved from indentured servitude to slavery based on inferiority. >> john ridley adapted the book, a free man from new york state in 1841 kidnaped, sold into slavery and finally rescued in 1853. >> of all the terrible words out there that we call each other and say this word in particular still has the ability to be a fire bomb at a gas factory.
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why? >> the word endures because slavery was a system that endured for 165 years. and then you can put another 70 years of jim crow, the civil rights struggle, of the black consciousness movement, of that word being so intertwined with everything that was happening. >> that complicated word still evolving as revolting as it is it is also celebrated. in music and film for decades. >> every nigger in the world had to have a .45. >> most recently, when los angeles clipper matt barnes tweeted "i love my teammates like family but i'm done standing up for these niggasq he was fined $25,000. and the tweets got everyone talking about the n word again. >> matt barnes, there's no apology needed. i'm a black man. i use the n word. i'm going to continue to use the
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n word with my black friends, with my white friends. they are my friends. >> but not everyone is charles barkley. the meaning of the n word dependent on perception and context. edward finnegan, who studies language, says in today's uber connected world, private conversations have many ways to go public. >> when they're brought out into the open they risk being very offensive, either of course to the person who is hearing them or to those who are overhearing them. the line between public and private has been fudged by the technology. >> today there seems no end to the way words can get you in trouble. >> i am so sorry. >> whether it's paula deen whose use of the n word came out in court or chip wilson, the now former ceo of lulu lemon who firmly inserted foot in mouth, blaming female customers for the way his clothes fit. or alec baldwin once again using
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an anti-gay slur against a photographer. baldwin clearly in a rage. but of all the words out there, it is still the n word with its brutal history that america struggles with the most. whatever its use today, at its root the experience of slaves like solomon northup more than 150 years ago. it's a story nearly lost to history. >> we don't know the circumstances of his death. we don't know where he's buried. but to me, he is everything that is good and great about the world and about america. >> to have that material have that effect on me the way solomon's words did, the way his work did, i can absolutely say i will never have an experience like this as a writer. >> i survive. i will not fall into despair. >> for "the 11th hour" miguel marquez, cnn, los angeles. you heard about matt barnes of the los angeles clippers in that story. he accepted our invitation to come on the show tonight and talk about what is admittedly a
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controversial topic. he canceled today. here with me now shall we say the incomparable ms. ann coulter. her new book is "never trust a liberal over 3 especially a republican." also cnn political commentator mark lamont hill. thank you for joining me tonight. >> sure. >> we're using the n word to spark a larger conversation about personal and professional consequences of saying the n word. we've seen a lot of people lose their careers and become stars because of it. is it okay, mark, to say this word dozens of times in movies or albums? does that make it okay? >> it depends what you mean by okay. let's get this out of the way. as a first amendment matter i think the three of us agree that you have a right to say it. up don't think anyone want to remove anyone's legal right to say it. we can end that part of the conversation. do i think a person should use it? it depends on context. in a movie about slavery it would seem sort of odd for someone not to use the n word. i would feel odd if a slave master is saying hey good fellow
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could you go pick up that bale or tote that barge. that would seem strange to me. you talk about kanye west's song "niggers in paris." based on kanye's interviews over the last three weeks it wasn't gratuitous. he was talking about the experience of being treated a certain way in a certain cultural space. i will say the white guy that did the voiceover for that made me very uncomfortable. so it's context driv driven. >> does hearing it in media -- >> with the young aspiring white rap artists who want to be like eminem, i do think it makes a difference obviously in if a white person or black person says it. it's an ugly word. unless you have tourette's syndrome i don't think any white person should be saying it. i also think the n word is different from many, many other
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words that everyone is always trying to compare to the n word. as your segment at the beginning said, and i think it's correct, the black experience is different from any other experience in america. there is slavery. there is jim crow. so i really do resent it when people come along and say well you can't say the phrase illegal alien when you use the n word. you can't say retard but you say the n word. you can't say a million other things. they're always comparing it to the n word. the main point i want to make is no other word is like the n word. >> ann coulter for the win, ladies and gentlemen. nobody saw that coming. cnn let's go. >> ann coulter, this is one of the first times i've ever agreed with ann coulter on cnn. mark this down in your calendar. >> ann you've always felt this way. this isn't new for you, right? >> it's not only not new for me. this is standard republican position. justice rehnquist. >> and we're back. now we're back to normal. >> there we go. there's the ann coulter we know. the one who wrote this book
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i'm don lemon. this is "the 11th hour. you can get a conversation on
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twitter @the 11hour. who decides what you can say. i'm back now with ann coulter and mark lamont hill. guys, twitter is going crazy. people are saying, i can't deal with the fact that i just agreed with ann coulter. ann, you got them talking especially about that. >> you tell them this is a republican position as i was saying. sensitive i didn't know we were cutting to a commercial break. this was always justice rehnquist position on the supreme court with civil rights laws. civil rights laws are for black. they were written after the civil war. that is why we have the 14th and the 15th amendment. it's not for smelly homeless people in public libraries, not for a lesbian who wants to take her date to the senior prom. it's not for feminists, it's not for illegal aliens. this is what civil rights is about. and i'm just stating the standard republican position. >> i saw mark when she said illegal aliens he said there's the ann coulter we know. i want to warn everybody at home
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we're about to play a clip that is powerful and controversial but it makes an important point. it's one thing when adults use words like the n word. but i want you to listen to this. the same words coming from the mouths of children. a agency in l.a. put this video together. >> niggers aim that. >> head shot nigger blames on step. >> let's go. >> okay. so that was mild. most of this video we can't show you because kids use way more words than the n word. derogatory things about women, women's body parts. that's a different set of issues now. >> that's a different set of issues. the video you just showed showed black and brown kid being looked upon very negative light with the use of the gun, the violent imagery. >> white kid, too. >> hard for me to see. all those kids being constructed in a very negative light tomorrow attach the n word to that would make its problematic. there's also context in which
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the n word is used internally among black people that don't reflect that sensibility. >> but the point of the video is to show the effect thought has on children. >> that's my point. that doesn't have the effect on it. young kids are not going way ward because the n word exists in the english lexicon. people don't use the body image and language with guns because of the n word but because of guns. they don't commit crimes because of that but lack of jobs, social decay, none have to do with linguistics. that for me is deeply problematic. we can't be so religious about the n word and think if we can remove that we could remove the problems. >> the clip we could play was kids saying the n word. we couldn't say the f bomb or word for women's body parts. this isn't just about guns about words that are used in popular culture and the effect thought has on children. ann? >> i agree with everything that mark said at the beginning. we're obviously not talking
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about the government regulating anything. and fine, there's artistic freedom. but as a personal preference, yeah, i think it's way oversaid in popular culture. and it's one thing when it's hiphop music it's telling a parable, the same way country music songs talk about being unemployed and leaving your wife and everything else. it's not like you think the person singing really is doing these things. it's playing a character. so i don't really object to that. but maybe don't play it for your kids. i will disagree with everything that mark said about it being a problem of joblessness. it is a problem of single motherhood. you know perfectly well, mark lamont hill. >> one big contributor to single motherhood is mass incarceration which is another issue i mention. >> no no. >> absolutely. that's an empirical fact. >> you're getting the chicken and egg confused. >> no. i got it right. the point here there is a range of social issues we could be invested in instead we decide to invest it in the n word. i think part of the reason is
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because i think it's one of the few things in public space that white people don't have unmitigated access to or unobstructed access. to so people freak out about the n word because they can't say it. i think that's a big problem here. >> you said one thing that contributes to single parenthood is mass incarceration. that's one thing. the biggest thing is people having unprotected sex. that's the biggest thing that contributes to -- >> unprotected sex leads to single parenthood? >> if you're having sex and you're single how will you have a kid? be honest about that. let's move on. >> yeah. because that's a really problematic way to think about it. you're constructing a narrative that suggests people should marry their way out of poverty. >> no. >> that's what you're saying. >> you're saying the biggest contributor is that it's not. i will admit to you it is one contributing factor but it is not the biggest and only contributing factor. and you can't talk about one without talking about the other. >> single parenthood is not the
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issue. when you say single you're talking about not being married. it's not true. >> let's move on. talking about the word police here. we're not the word police. but we're sticking with the n word. there are more words, the f word. and we're talking about fag. why don't we just say it. ann coulter you got in trouble a while ago saying that word yet you defended alec baldwin when he said that word. should that word be allowed to be used? do you have the same stance on that as the n word? >> no. i definitely separate them. ironically, my use of it illustrates exactly the points i was making that, black are being too generous with their experience in america. not everyone has that experience. that was a joke on a black actor, isiah washington, who had called a fellow actor an faggot. it became this huge continuing issue. there were constant nasdaq updates. did he say it. didn't he say it. finally he admitted he said it and he was going into rehab
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about the word. and then i said he's going into rehab again for a word he used which is madness. and i had a few words to say about john edwards but apparently you can't use that word without going to rehab. that was the joke. >> that's the problem. >> quickly, mark, quickly. >> my point is this is a black man who does have the authentic suffering legacy that i think deserves some special treatment. and he's the one getting in trouble for saying a word. >> i really want to -- mark i'll let you finish your thought on the other side of the break. stick with me, mark and ann here. when we come right back, how much freedom of speech do we really have? [ female announcer ] there's one thing
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i'm don lemon. this is "the 11th hour" we are talking about word you can't say and who decides. i'm back with my guests ann coulter and mark lamont hill.
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mark, i think you're probably going to go into the vein of a lot of people have been demonized, lawsuits about saying certain words. do we really have a true freedom of speech in this country? >> the question is you do have freedom of speech. but freedom of speech comes with consequences. again, paula deen lost her empire, part of her empire partly because sponsors didn't want to stand next to somebody who did that. back in the day when don imus used the phrase "nappy headed hos" the people went to the sponsors and saying we down the want advertising on this thing. the free market decided. when it comes to the f word for gay people, when it comes to inappropriate words for other people, i say it doesn't have to have the exact same history as the n word for me not to use it. as a straight person i don't use derogatory terms against gay people they've also had a issn
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issue, been targets of oppression and bigotry. >> you made it talking about prison it was the only reason for single mothers. i'm saying that's one of the reasons. another reason is because of having unprotected sex. you cannot have kids without having sex usually. >> that is an astute observation. but point is still wrong. >> let's get back to words. >> ann, real quick i'm sorry. >> yes. you're getting totally lost on single motherhoods. >> i'm sorry. >> there was a point where words like fags and retard, you wouldn't use those words if you were referring to an actual homosexual or to an actual retarded person. and also i think all these words, i can find someone who has used it and did not lose a creer ova career over it. >> it was the head of company that is took her up a.
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people were still buying her products and said they were going to watch her show. her book was number one. i'm not sure the markets decided that. >> the companies didn't want to look bad. you think they did it out of feeling bad? >> ann coulter, mark lamont hill, thank you. tomorrow on "the 11th hour" are electronic cigarettes safe or is big tobacco lying to us again?" in case you missed it" starts right now with brooke baldwin. take it away, brooke. good evening. i'm brooke baldwin and welcome to "icymi" showcation cnn's best reporting all day and any breaking news tonight. we have a lot to get to. first, show me the money. we will show you the numbers hot off the presses. they were just chosen just a short time ago. and we're waiting to go hear if anyone has won what may just be the biggest megamillions lottery jackpot ever. also tonight, fire tearing through theni


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