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>> tomorrow we're going to name our piers morgan live top ten moments of 2013. we need your help. vote for your favorite at piersmorganlive.com. funny ones and ridiculous ones, too. star jones helps me break down the year's highlights. tonight on "the 11th hour" more the outrage of duck dynasty comparing same-sex relationships to beastialit y. nice. good evening, everyone. the so-called affluenza killer, 16-year-old from a wealthy family who got probation because the judge was persuaded that being a rich child explains manslaughter. now the law is taking another shop at giving him jail time. breaking news tonight in that war of words between india and the united states. indians are burning american flags. the indian government has stopped protecting the u.s. embassy against possible attacks. believe it or not this international incident started with a nanny in new york. the next thing you know, a diplomat is strip searched and
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things came unglued. later as a woman comes forward to claim her share of that massive lotto jackpot, two former winners tonight talk about what's in store and why getting rich quick is sometimes no prize weempblgts begin with a story we first reported last week that outraged a lot of people. tonight a new development. a new effort to put a killer behind bars. because whatever else you think of ethan couch, he is a killer. four times over. he got drunk, extremely drunk, and rammed his father's pickup into a broken down car on a road in texas in june. he was three times over the legal limit. only in his case at age 16 he wasn't even legal to drink in the first place. he was convicted of manslaughter but sentenced only to probation and rehab and likely going though $450,000 a year california facility paid for by his family. the judge, buying a psychologist's testimony that young ethan was suffering from something called after flew enzarks the idea being that his wealthy parents had so
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completely endulged his prior bad behavior he was incapable of paying consequences for his actions. he killed four people, including eric boyles wife and daughter. >> the message has to be that money and privilege can't buy justice in this country, that it's not okay to drink and drive and kill four people, severely injure another and not have any consequences to that. that's not the american dream that we grew up to participate in. and i just don't understand it. >> not many people do. they simply don't understand how getting away with things as a child entitles you as a young adult to not go to prison for killing people. last week the psychologist in question came on the program and as you'll hear, could barely bring himself to concede that ethan couch killed anyone. >> if you commit a crime, if you kill four people, you can't use that as an excuse, can you?
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>> no. and the term -- when you use the word "kill" and people out in america hear that, it implies that there was motive, that the mottive was not good. >> are you saying he didn't murder -- kill four people? >> yes, he did not murder four people. it's a legal term. >> okay. but he slammed his truck -- >> first degree homicide and involuntary manslaughter are different things, anderson. >> he killed four people, yes? >> four people died. >> four people died, he says, as if they slipped away quietly at home in their beds. four people died because ethan couch, got drunk, got behind the wheel and killed them. now facing enormous backlash at the sentence, texas authorities are trying to put him in prison in connection with the two other people who did not die in the incident. they were in the back of the pickup. they begged him to slow down reportedly. instead he sped up. sergio molina and solima soliman mohmand.
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sergio molina was paralyzed, can only communicate moving his eyes. >> tell me about sergio, what kind of boy he is. >> he was the best boy. he was that kind of boy with a lot of dreams. he was -- well, his first dream was to be a soccer player. he was sweet. i mean, he was -- >> he's lucky he has you. you need to hear that from people like me, outsiders. do you realize that? >> yeah. >> he's lucky he has you and his siblings to take care of him, right? >> yeah. >> well now sergio and soliman's story will be the focus of the new legal effort. ed laugh lavendera joins us now.
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>> do people think this will actually work this new tactic? >> reporter: what the d.a. in ft. worth, texas is trying to do is get ethan couch, 16 years old, sent to jail for those two intoxication assault charges. they're arguing that what the judge sentenced him to was the intoxication manslaughter charges. so they're going to try again with this. but many legal analysts i've heard talk about this throughout the day today say simply this is just a long shot at best. if the judge gave him probation and rehab for four manslaughter charges, how could she go above and beyond that for two lesser charges? >> is this move just a political one from the d.a. given there's been a lot of outrage about this, trying to show they're doing something? >> reporter: well look, the fact of the matter is district attorneys in texas and most everywhere else are elected officials. so they're very atuned to what people are saying about this. so clearly they get it that many people are angry about this sentence. but they're also not happy with the way the sentence came down. they would like to see jail time so they're going down this
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avenue now. >> they had originally argued for a 20-year sentence. that was the maximum that could have been gotten. what about the judge? has she given any sign she feels public pressure to change course in any way? >> reporter: not a bit. in fact, judges here in texas -- are elected as well. but she is we're told not seeking re-election next year. we've put in numerous calls, cnn has tried for the better part of the last week to get in touch with her to see if she has any comment to explain the rationale behind all this and we have not heard back from her. >> the victims' families have filed lawsuits against the couch family for their son's actions, right? >> reporter: yes. gary tuchman spoke with sergio molina. his family has a million dollar lawsuit against the couch family. they say they've already racked up in the short time since this accident happened and he has been comatose essentially is they've racked up more than $1 million in medical bills in the last several months and this is the way he'll be for the rest of his life.
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they're looking for money to be able to cover those expenses. >> i know there'll be other lawsuits as well. i want to bring in former federal prosecutor sonny hostin and criminal defense attorney mark geragos. sonny, do you believe the d.a. has a shot? to ed's point, the judge gave probation for four manslaughter convictions it's unlikely she'll give a greater penalty in a lesser offense. >> i don't think so. i think you have a disparity. this is a gift for this judge. people are calling for her removal. i think she should be removed. this was borderline an illegal sentence. it was way too lenient. the gift the prosecutors are giving her is another shot at doing the right thing. mark geragos is never going to admit that i said this initially. a creative prosecutor is going to try to right this wrong. i think the sentence could have been appealed. the prosecutor's office doesn't think that. but now they're finding another way to bring this young man to justice. the cure for affluenza is prison
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time. that is what he should get. he's exposed to about three years per intoxication assault, and that is what he should get. >> mark, is this justice or do you think it's just politics? >> this is not just politics it's a complete showboat by the prosecution, they have no chance legally unless they want to undo 200 years of jury is prudence. once he's been sentenced it's the same act. all of these injuries took place out of the same act. there is -- i hate to use this term -- but legions of cases. you can't go back and then serially prosecute something. once he's been sentenced for the same act. they knew about it. not newly discovered. let's get some of our terms straight. this kid is not eligible for prison. this kid is at most or was eligible for a juvenile justice system with a max of three years until he was 19. the prosecutor has no ability as i said before to appeal this. they're just doing for what lack of a better term a showboat.
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>> it's not a showboat because they asked for 20 years. >> plenty of kids if they don't have money get sent to the juvenile justice system. >> and when they become adults they're sent to the adult system. >> no question he could have been sent to the juvenile justice system. >> there are rehab facilities inside the juvenile juistice system. >> yes. but without pillorying this judge -- she's well thought of. >> except that she sent a black kid who punched someone and that person fell and died, she sentenced him to ten years in prison. >> ten years. >> ten years in prison. this kid that killed four people gets off. >> i could take judge after judge after judge, prosecutor after prosecutor after prosecutor where there's disparity because of race and means. what i'm telling you this should be a pivot point for a discussion as to why we don't have the rehab facilities, why we don't have the juvenile
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justice facilities to handle somebody like this. because i think what she was thinking is she took a look at this kid and said, he's never going to survive. >> who cares if he doesn't survive, mark? that's ridiculous. >> then why don't we give him the death penalty? >> it is interesting. i've heard a lot of people on this program who are supporting the decision of this judge concerned about this kid's survivability in prison. i don't hear a lot of people saying, wow, i'm worried about this young african-american defendant and how he's going to do in prison. >> that infuriates me you have the guts to say that. the juvenile justice system -- who cares he doesn't do well in prison? he's not supposed to do well in prison. >> stop misusing the terms. he's supposed to go to a juvenile justice type facility. the whole idea of the juvenile system is rehabilitation. if you want to put him in prison
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you have to make him an adult. that's why we have direct filing. now when sonny says i'm the one who's not talking about racial disparity -- >> you talk about it all the time. we talk about it all the time. i'm the one screaming at the top of my lungs there is a disparity in the criminal justice system. >> isn't this an unjust sentence then? >> it is unjust when you put it side by side with the other kid. but does that mean that we're going to go back and throw this kid under the train tracks? and if you say who cares? i understand that. then give him the death penalty. >> okay, we got to leave it there. good discussion, mark geragos, thank you sonny hostin as well. let us know what you think. let me know on twitter. coming up, breaking news, a diplomat's wounded dignity. the u.s. attorney's office is responding. does her detention and strip search expose a double standard? they're freak out on it over their home country of india. dropping the guard at our em ba embassy. blockbuster the phone spying program exposed by edward
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burning the flag in india. u.s. embassy in india no longer protected by indian security forces. they pulled out. the united states needs to be reminded said one official that india cannot be treated in this manner. that official is talking about the detention and strip search of india's deputy consul general here in new york. first deborah feyerick on how we got here. >> reporter: as she left the indian mission in new york city wednesday, devyani khobragade offered no comment. the deputy consul general was charged with making false statements on a visa application she submitted on behalf of her nanny. the diplomat was arrested near her daughter's manhattan school and handed over to u.s. marshalls. she was strip searched and put into general population with alleged criminals. she was given no special status since the charges related to her personal life and not her consular functions. according to the criminal complaint, the diplomat said the nanny would be paid a minimum wage of $9.75 an hour.
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instead, the nanny says she was paid just over $3 an hour. that amount is three times less than new york's minimum wage. however, it's about three times more what the average domestic in india makes. >> the allegations are that the dr. khobragade lied to the federal government in order to obtain an a 3 visa to bring her domestic worker here with no intention of paying the required wages for the hours she requested. our clients who work as domestic workers are living in the home with their employer. so if they leave, they not only leave their legal status, they leave their only source of income. they leave the only home that they've known in a foreign country. so this is more than a labor dispute. >> once you hand someone over to the marshall service, they are being arrested. and there's no door for rich people and no door for poor people. everyone is arrested. everyone is equal before the law in the united states. >> reporter: martina vander berg
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has been tracking alleged diplomatic and consular abuse cases for the last decade. >> what's different about this case? the state department and the department of justice stepped up and actually took these allegations, investigated them thoroughly and decided that they had enough information, enough evidence to indict the case. >> reporter: according to the criminal complaint, the 39-year-old khobragade agreed to pate nanny $4500 a month. however, a lawyer for the diplomat says that figure was dr. khobragade's salary, not the nanny's. >> she'll be completely vindicated. >> reporter: lawyers for both the diplomat and the nanny say attempts to resolve the dispute financially were unsuccessful. >> was this an attempt simply to get a green card? >> i think that question has been asked. there are other avenues for immigration relief other than putting yourself into a situation where you're going to be exploited. >> so deb, the u.s. attorney just a few minutes ago responded to the whole thing. what did they say? >> reporter: he responded with very strong language. they are saying this diplomat
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was not treated unfairly. in fact she was treated with a fair amount of deference when she was strip searched she was done by a female deputy marshall. however, they say that's not only for her protection but also for the protection of other people that she might be put with. that's just standard procedure. but he said she was not arrested in front of her children, she was not handcuffed, she was allowed to make numerous phone calls, including to arrange childcare. he also came out very strongly saying look we have to focus on the victim and what was going on. the victim's family has now been brought to the united states. that's because there was retaliation against the family. legal proceedings had started in india, but in addition the family was trying to get her to return back to that country where really she would have no legal rights. also just keep in mind that cobkob khobragade coerced the nanny to sign a second legal document after she had gotten the visa. while the nanny agreed to come here and be paid new york's
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minimum wage of $9.75, her employer forced her to sign a second document saying she would agree to $3.30 an hour. so very different. and that's where the fraud comes in that's where the charges against this diplomat factor. >> deborah feyerick, appreciate the reporting. late today we learned that secretary of state kerry spoke with india's national security adviser expressing regret for the incident. the question is how that might play in india. that's unclear. what we do know this is now a real international incident. security being pulled from the u.s. embassy in delhi. cnn's international malika kapur is there. >> this has evoked harsh words of retaliation from the government. i heard one minister saying they should arrest same sex partners of u.s. diplomatic workers because homosexuality is now illegal there. >> reporter: that's right. a member of the opposition made that comment a day or two ago because really there is such outrage in india over the way
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the diplomat was arrested in new york. the way she was arrested during a school run, and the strip searching, that has really really upset people over here. people here, the government has called the incident barbaric and even the indian prime minister who's usually very careful with his words, he is a mild-man nerd man, he spoke outside yesterday calling the incident despicable and deplorable. a huge amount of outrage in india. is india restallating? yes, they are. they've introduce add number of measures. they've taken away the identity cards issued to consular staff after u.s. here and various cities across india. what that basically means they're stripping a way some of the diplomatic privileges these people enjoy such as access to airport lounges. they've also removed some of the concrete barriers outside of the u.s. embassy in new delhi. the police say they've removed them because this was a friendly courtesy they had extended to the embassy. it was never a diplomatic
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requirement. and it insists that all all u.s. embassy staff members are safe. >> thank you. with us tonight is the gateway house indian council on global relations and a columnist for the an indian newspaper. >> you're saying this is a classic case of double standard when it comes to the indian diplomat. >> it's a simple thing. when americans are serving abroad as diplomats, they expect a certain level of treatment. and they insist on it. when they get into trouble with local laws, they are treated very differently. sometimes they are whisked out of the country, even when they've been involved in really serious crimes. but when it comes to diplomats from other countries, they seem to be very helpless and they say
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it's our law. >> to compromise, though, the security of the u.s. embassy in new delhi as retaliation, is that a productive way to address the situation? >> no, it is not. and i have criticized it in my writing and in social media as well. i don't think that's a very good move. i think both sides need to calm down and work out a solution. but at the same time it cannot be denied that the outrage in india at the way the diplomat was treated is very strong. >> asim, you say that what's being lost in all of this is the plight of this domestic worker. >> that's an issue that has not been discussed much. although there has been talk about the fact that the u.s. state department actually arranged for her husband and child to come here. we haven't heard anything about her situation and the fact that she was -- we know that she was work under some very difficult conditions in terms of the money that she was making.
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there were apparently two contracts that were signed by her and her employer as the u.s. attorney's office says. the first contract said that she would get $4500 per month, which is a decent amount of salary to earn in new york. the second contract said she would get 30,000 rupees. that's actually a substantial amount for domestic help in india. in fact a lot more -- most domestic helps actually get half or a third of that. but when you convert 30,000 rupees into dollars, that amounts to $500. there's been a lot of protest in india. i personally believe they're really politically motivated. we have elections coming up in may. >> you're saying that's behind a lot of this? >> it's very clear. because there was a u.s. congressional delegation that just visited new delhi yesterday or the day before and the leader of the communist party who's going to be presumably the prime minister candidate of the party
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as well as the prime minister candidate of the opposition party both have refused to meet the u.s. delegation. and to me it's clearly this becomes an election sort of a statement they're making. that look, we are standing up against the u.s. >> while i agree with aseem that a little bit of politics is coming into it because we are in election season, but that applies equally well to u.s. diplomats who should have read the situation a little better. i think the bureaucracy in the united states treated this whole thing in a very unthinking manner. the relationship is an important one. we are strategic partners. we express love for each other all the time. but you can't allow something like this to come in the way, then they should have been on the ball and they weren't. >> aseem, appreciate you being
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. more breaking news tonight. a panel appointed by the white house to review the nsa's controversial mass surveillance activities is calling for sweeping new limits on a range of intelligence-gathering programs exposed by edward
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snowden. his revelation that the nsa can collect phone records on each and every call that americans make set out a huge outcry that hasn't let up. by some estimates the database contains more than 1 trillion records. on monday a federal judge in washington ruled that the government's bulk collection of metadata is unconstitutional and now the panel which was hand-picked by the white house says the nsa should give up its massive database. jim sciutto joins me now. what are the recommendations? >> reporter: the headline recommendation is accountability. that's what one of the panel members said to meemt accountability to the congress, to the white house and to the american public you. can see that reflected in the 46 recommendations the panel made. for instance, they want congress to pass legislation to move all that metadata from the nsa's possession back to the phone company's so it's in private hands not public hand. the white house they want to have white house approval, presidential approval when whenever the nsa is listening to
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the phone conversations of foreign leaders like angela merkel the german chancellor. all the outrage that caused in germany when that was discovered. in terms of the american public, a whole range of things. one of them being they want a civilian head of the nsa, not a military leader. they think that would send a good message. things like that to appeal to everyone and say that there's better accountability and transparency here. but you know what, anderson, they did not recommend ending this metadata collection program. they want to keep that in place. the members of the panel say there's still a national security interest in doing that. >> and the obama administration, though, they're not legally bound to do any of this. >> reporter: not at all. in fact, the president looks at these recommendations and he picks and chooses what he wants to do going forward. that's what a senior administration official told me today. he's going to look and in january he's going to come back and say what he accepts in effect. we already know one of the recommendations from the panel, the president has rejected. and that is the panel recommended that you separate the nsa from the military cyber command, those are now under the
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joint leadership, the joint command of keith the head of the nsa. the president has said he won't do that one. >> investigative journalist glen greenwald broke the story, published it so far. he joins me tonight along with senior cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin. glen, what do you make of these recommendations? >> it's extremely important especially in the wake of the federal court ruling earlier this week that found that the bulk collection program is unconstitutional or likely. so now you have a panel of the white house's hand-picked advisers concluding that the program in its current form should stop, that it poses a serious danger to coure libertis and just as the court found there's no evidence it plays an important role in stopping terrorist attacks. >> jeff as glen said again coming on the heels of the court ruling being unconstitutional what do you make of it? >> i think i find myself in uncharacteristic agreement with glen, by and large. although there's one very
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puzzling aspect to it which i honest to god really don't understand. what they suggest is moving the metadata away from the nsa to the private sector. now, do we trust the private sector so much in this country that this data which everyone is so worried about, is so concerned about, it's better to have it under the control of amazon or google or whoever it turns out to be rather than the united states government? >> glen, what do you think about that? my understanding is they would then have to go to a judge every time they actually wanted to access that data. >> right. it's a fair point, except two things. one is that remember, the telecoms and the internet companies already have this data. it's not as though they give to it the government and no longer possess it. they continue to possess it under the status quo. what would change it's the government which generally poses the greatest threat to liberty is when the constitution recognizes when it restrict the government that would no longer have it. the second important part is
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that each individual company, so verizon, at&t, google, facebook, have their own customers' communications but nobody else's. the problem now is that all of it gets centralized in one entity which is the u.s. government that they can access everybody's communication. so this breaks it up. >> it is pretty stunning, glen, when you read from these recommendations. i want to read for our viewers one of the things they said. they said quote information contributed to terrorist investigations by the use of section 215 thelephony metadays that was not essential to preventing attacks." it's saying the whole point of it entire thing, it actually didn't have the intended point that it was supposed to. >> anderson, to me that is the key point. i'll tell you why. this whole controversy began when the director of national intelligence for president obama, director clapper, appeared before the senate. and when asked whether the nsa was collecting data on millions
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of americans, lied to the senate which is a felony and said no. then our report said they were doing exactly that which they denied doing. then ever since the scandal began, the nsa's position has been the same. it is urge end that we do these things to stop terrorist attacks. and a month ago, three democrats on the senate intelligence anytime committee who have access to all the data said there's no evidence this program stops terrorism. the judge, the federal judge three days ago said the same thing, that there's no evidence that the nsa can point to that it stops terrorism. now you have this white house panel saying the same thing, which is essentially the nsa should not be believed when they go before the american public and try and scare them by yelling terrorism over and over. there's no evidence that this helps them stop terrorism in any way. i think it's crucial. >> so jeff, i got to put a question to you which i put to you the other day in the wake of the court ruling. a, it's now this judge -- federal judge says it's unconstitutional. you now have this panel from a wide variety of backgrounds of people saying that it didn't
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really do anything to stop terrorism. do you think this further vindicates edward snowden? >> definitely. i mean, definitely, it vindicates the result of what happened. i remain convinced and i remain sure that this was not the vehicle that snowden should have used to go forward. classified information is not his to decide to give to glen greenwald or anyone else. but raising these issues is very important. and i continue to disagree with how it came up, but this is an important conversation for the country to have. >> glen>> glen, how much of the recommendations do you actually see the obama white house adopting? >> that's a really great question. i think already they've indicated some of them they're not actually amenable to. and there's going to be really serious awkwardness, right, if
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the obama white house convenience thconvenes this panel close to president obama, people at university of chicago, cass sunstein in his administration who looked at michael morelba, the deputy director of the cia who looked at this and said we don't need these programs to say safe. they're menace to americans' individual liberty and privacy. you've asked us to tell you what should be done after a careful review. here's what we say. how does the obama white house turn around and say we're going to ignore our own panel's recommendations. we're going to simply disregard them even though we picked those people to do this job in order to tamp down the public scandal. i think it will be a great deal of difficulty they face if they do that. >> great to have the two of you on. thanks. up next more breaking news the star of "duck dynasty" has been suspended by a and e for comments he made about homosexuality. also you have more than 1,000 times a better chance of an asteroid or comet hitting you but two people actually won last
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. breaking news tonight. phil robertson, the family patriarch of "done dynasty" has been suspended by a. and e network after he was quoted saying that gays are sinful people who won't inherit the kingdom of god. he tells gq "start with homosexual behavior, and just morph out from there. beastiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men." tom, phil robertson issued a statement about his comments earlier today. what did he say? >> reporter: he's kind of tried to walk it back a bit. he said i myself am a product of the 60s. i centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until i hit the bottom and accepted jesus. in the end he said we're all created by the almighty, and like him i love all of humanity. i would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they're different from me." so he tried to walk it back a little bit and soften his comments. but obviously it didn't take with the folks at a and e.
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>> did they say how long the suspension would last? >> reporter: it's indefinite at the moment. they just said they're suspending him. though this raises a very interesting question about this entire franchise. this is the most successful reality tv franchise ever. it's worth an absolute fortune, certainly for a and e it is right now. one of the rules here for this family from the beginning that a lot of people have really admired is the family very much sticks together. i'll be curious to see if it's possible to suspend phil without having the rest of the duck dynasty folks say fine we're suspended, too. we will not work without him because we're a family. they're certainly wealthy enough now they wouldn't have to work. so i think there's going to be a huge curfuffle tomorrow. and i suspect a big big putsch back from many in the religious community as well. >> tom foreman, appreciate the update. a woman from georgia stepped forward today holding one of the two winning tickets in the megamillions jackpot. 56-year-old ira curry who lives near atlanta correctly picked all six numbers in last night's
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$648 million drawing. she heard the numbers announced while driving. she called home and her daughter confirmed her ticket won the jackpot. she said i was in a state of disbelief. i still didn't believe it when my daughter told me. she's taken the cash option, about $120 million after taxes. the other winning ticket was sold in san jose, california. the question we have tonight is what's it like to be an instant millionai millionaire. tonight two winners with very different experiences. rick cerezzo won nearly $5 million. another -- rick you didn't know you had won the lottery right away. it took several months for you to check your tickets. why was that? >> the ticket was sitting in a cookie jar in our kitchen for a little over 2 1/2 months before we realized we had won. and it was basically a challenge by my wife to go and get the tickets checked or she was going to throw them away. that prompted me to go and
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actually get them scanned and find out whether or not we had won anything. >> this is probably a dumb question. but how did you feel when you found out you had won the jackpot? >> you know, it was absolutely insane. we had gone through such a difficult time over the last year and a half. and just the simple clinging of faith and to be rewarded this way was just incredibly overwhelming. >> and what's changed for you in the past year? >> in the past year, i guess the most significant thing for us has been the opportunity of choice. true choice. when my son graduated high school last year, he felt his only option was a community college. now he has the choice to be able to attend whatever college he wants in the united states. and for us as a family, i guess the biggest change has been the ability to give. we were recipients of a lot of
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help over the last two years, and it just feels so good to be able to give back. >> and terry, your experience was different. you won back in 1994. you were the youngest lottery wined in history. what was that like for you? >> first of all, good evening, anderson. i was 18 years old, i was a senior in high school. it's an experience that not too many people get to enjoy. but we've all heard stories of the bad, what goes wrong. we've got to really focus on what we can do right the and i think rick nailed it right on the head when he said you're given the opportunity and the gift of choice. whenever you win that or if you win a jackpot, megamillions, it doesn't matter, you're given a choice. make it a blessing or a curse. it's what you -- >> i was just thinking about it, terry. i can't imagine at 18 being in
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high school and getting $3.75 million or however much it was exactly. did people suddenly try to take advantage of you? did people treat you differently? >> not at first. i come from a very small town. everybody knew me. i knew everybody. so no, they didn't. they treated me just the way they always have. i was very blessed for that opportunity. once i got out of town or started going to college and so forth, yeah, that did happen. but whenever you receive something like that, you go through a process. it's just like grieving. there's three steps to grieving. there's the denial, the shock and then finally acceptance. for something like that, being 18 years old, i kind of attribute to this. trying to tell a 18-year-old something is impossible. they think they know it all. trying to tell a 18-year-old that has $3.5 million something is impossible. they're just not going to listen. had i done so, things would have
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been a lot different. >> what would you do differently, terry, if you won the lottery today and your advice for somebody that wins it? >> you know, after the conversation with one of your people last night, i wanted this to be a message of hope, of perseverance. but in retrospect, one thing i did wrong, one thing i should have done and i pray that the winners from here on that hear this, the first thing they need to do is drop to their knees and ask heavenly father for guidance. if you ask with a sincere, true, loving heart, he will guidout and that's one thing i didn't do. i did not do that. i believe if i would have done that, gave him the power, things would have turned out completely different. but you know, there's a plan for each and every one of us. i helped those who i needed to help. and i wasn't living my life the way i should have. and just as fast as i received it it was gone.
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but that's what built me into the person i am today, the character to be able to persevere through that. >> all the money you got is gone? >> for the most part, yes. do i have a little bit stashed away in retirement, and stuff like that. but the bulk of it is gone. i was taken advantage of by people who are business-oriented. but it's all an experience in life. and rick, i researched and i saw your story. and man, you are an inspiration in this. if there's anything to take away from your story and my story, it's not the money that is of value, it's those who love you and stand by you, the people in your life that matter in the end. that's value. that's worth. >> terry, do you still play the lottery? >> oh, heck yeah. i thought i won last night. i had a feeling this is it. wouldn't it be a great story to come on anderson cooper and say i just won again? >> rick, do you still play?
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susan hendricks has a 360 news and business bulletin. >> reporter: the senate has passed the compromise budget agreement that the house approved last week. the president is expected to
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sign it. the agreement map out government spending for two years and reduces the chances of another government shutdown. a record day in wall street after the fed announced a cut back in a program that stimulated the economy. the dow closed at a new height of 16,167. also the s & p had a new high as well. and some good news for a blind new york city man and his service dog who both fell on to the subway tracks yesterday as a train was approaching. cecil williams and his black lab orlando are doing well. and donations will allow williams to keep orlando when the dog is retired, which is expected to happen soon. a great story. >> that's nice they could stay together. susan, thanks so much. "the ridiculist" is coming up. [woman] you wrapped the...
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time now for "the ridiculist." i don't usually give much creed toeps popularity rankings. but one got my attention. a company called market wire looked at social media the past six months to see which news anchors were being mentioned the most and most favorably. i came in number two with more than 560,000 mentioned, 85% of
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which were favorable. thank you. i can tell you most are inscrutable rants. which was number one, you ask? which news anchor is mentioned more on social media than me and even more favorably? that would be none other than ron burgundy. mentioned almost 566,000 times the past six months, 91% favorable. bul burgundy beat out me, megyn kelly, katie couric and wolf blitzer. i think the data might be skewed. for one thing there's no movie about me. whereas burgundy plays a small role in "anchor man 2" which has gotten some promotion you might have noticed. they didn't exactly go the beyonce' super secret route in releasing this thing. there are posters everywhere. and there are so many commercials for that moviers they'll pretty much let anyone do them.
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>> the truth is once i first graduated from college and i started reporting, i was just doing my best ron burgundy impression. everyone was back then. the mustache, the suit, the whole persona. when i started anderson cooper 360 ron burgundy loomed over the show. there was a cardboard cut-out in the studio blocking one of the nights. he had it in his contract it could never be remove. a huge pain in the [ mute ]. >> that wasn't a commercial. just a fun thing. not only are there many commercials for "anchor man 2" burgundy has been showing up on every television show currently on the air. >> wolf, it is a pleasure to be in your presence. i just have to ask you, do you use vitalis hairspray? >> i do use a hairspray, but i'm not familiar with the name. >> you should use vitalis. >> spray it don't touch it. >> spray it don't touch it. i say that about humorous parts of my body. ron would be a little nervous to
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be in your presence. because he's been out of the news game for awhile. >> this news game doesn't work out for me what do you think? i've got some potential on the big screen? >> great interview with you. great to meet you. >> listen, i'll tell you what. why don't we do these rankings again six months from now and the movie won't be playing anymore and we'll see who's winning then. until then you stay classy, ron burgundy. you'll always be number one on "the ridiculist." thanks for watching. don lemmon starts now. it is 11:00 in the east. do you know where your news is? i'm don lemon. this is "the 11th hour. we have two stories everyone will be talking about. first the star of "duck dynasty" suspended. his shocking comments about same sex relationship and about black in america. also blowing up tonight, e cigarettes. new york city council about to decide whether to ban them in all buildings. bear in mind the

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